Middle East Israeli Intelligence: 50,000 deaths in Gaza ‘necessary’

[CharlieH]

 

Leaked recording reveals ex-Israeli military intelligence chief calling 50,000 deaths in Gaza ‘necessary’

 

Jerusalem (CNN) — In leaked audio, the former head of Israeli military intelligence can be heard saying the deaths of tens of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza are “necessary and required for future generations.”

 

“For everything that happened on October 7, for every one person on October 7, 50 Palestinians must die,” said Israel Defense Force’s (IDF) Maj. Gen. Aharon Haliva in the recordings released by Israel’s Channel 12 news on Friday. “It doesn’t matter now if they are children.”

 

“The fact that there are already 50,000 dead in Gaza is necessary and required for future generations,” Haliva said in the recordings.

It’s unclear when he was speaking, but the number killed in Gaza surpassed 50,000 in March.

 

“There is no choice — every now and then, they need a Nakba in order to feel the price,” Haliva said. The Nakba, or “catastrophe” in Arabic, is a seminal event in Palestinian history when roughly 700,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled from their homes by armed Jewish groups in 1948 during the establishment of the State of Israel.

 

Haliva was head of Israeli military intelligence on October 7, 2023, when Hamas launched attacks on southern Israel in which 1,200 people were killed and 250 more kidnapped. He resigned his position in April 2024 over his “leadership responsibility,” becoming the first senior IDF officer to do so.

 

The lengthy recordings appear to be from long conversations with Haliva, but Channel 12 does not identify the person with whom the retired officer is speaking. Haliva’s central claim throughout the recordings is that the Israeli military is not the only organization responsible for the failures that led to the October 7 attacks.

 

He places blame on Israel’s political leadership and Shin Bet, the internal security service, for believing Hamas would not carry out an assault.

 

In a statement to Israel’s Channel 12, Haliva said the recordings were said in a “closed forum, and I can only regret that.”

He called the recordings “fragments of partial things, which cannot reflect the full picture — certainly when it comes to complex, detailed issues, most of which are highly classified.”

 

Israel is facing mounting criticism over the war in Gaza and its new plans to occupy Gaza City. Last week, New Zealand’s Prime Minister Christoper Luxon said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had “lost the plot” and the takeover of Gaza City would be “utterly, utterly unacceptable.”

 

Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said in an interview with the Jyllands-Posten newspaper that “Netanyahu is now a problem in himself.”

In a statement, Hamas condemned Haliva’s remarks and said the audio recording “confirms that crimes against our people are high-level decisions and official policy from the enemy’s political and security leadership.”

 

A United Nations Special Committee report released last November found Israel’s conduct in Gaza “is consistent with the characteristics of genocide.” Last month, two Israeli human rights groups also accused Israel of committing genocide in Gaza. The Israeli military said the conclusion was “entirely unfounded.”

 

Israel has repeatedly denied accusations of genocide, saying it is acting in accordance with international law.

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  Adapted by ASEAN Now from CNN 2025-08-18

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[impulse]

Weren't there a bunch of people prosecuted in Nuremberg for the same thing?

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

The open admission of genocide.

[proton]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The open admission of genocide.

 

War casualties is not genocide

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, proton said:

 

War casualties is not genocide

Bombing civilians who can not escape?

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, proton said:

 

War casualties is not genocide

 Go read the Geneva Conventions, particularly Geneva Convention IV relating to the protection of civilian persons in time of war and prohibit the killing of civilians in armed conflicts. This is ethnic cleansing far worse them genocide as it is more focused with force removal of ethnic and related groups from a particular area. . 

 

[connda]

3 hours ago, CharlieH said:

“For everything that happened on October 7, for every one person on October 7, 50 Palestinians must die,” said Israel Defense Force’s (IDF) Maj. Gen. Aharon Haliva in the recordings released by Israel’s Channel 12 news on Friday. “It doesn’t matter now if they are children.”

Point out quotes like this a year ago and the post would disappear. Israeli leaders admit to engaging in genocide and every pro-Zionist in the West claps and cheers.  Then you bring up the obvious: this was the same language used by German leaders during their pogroms during WWII to justify the ethnic superiority of Germans.  

How did that work out?

[proton]

55 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Bombing civilians who can not escape?

 

If you want to believe Hamas propaganda

[GreasyFingers]

1 hour ago, proton said:

 

War casualties is not genocide

Ethnic cleansing is.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, proton said:

 

If you want to believe Hamas propaganda

Former head of Israeli Intelligence Haliva is a member of Hamas?

 

I missed that.

[proton]

 

Looks like 50k deaths was necessary, how many more before all the hostages are released? up to Hamas

[Rimmer]

off topic whataboutary removed also replies

[Eric Loh]

2 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Looks like 50k deaths was necessary, how many more before all the hostages are released? up to Hamas

Those hostages were not kept captives by the civilians and children. 

[MalcolmB]

The Jews in Israeli have only survived because the West was behind them.

But apart from the USA most have turned against them because of this ethnic cleansing genocide that they deny publicly but celebrate privately.

 

The USA people are also pushing back now against the Israelis on two fronts 1) the America first brigade who don’t want to pay for other people’s wars 2) the people that are horrified by this genocide. 
 

The Jews in Israel can not survive on their own. They think they are going to wipe out the Palestinians but are too stupid and fanatical to realize they are nailing the lid to their own coffins.

 

The Israel project has been a complete failure. They have proven themselves to be not able to be trusted.

Lie after lie that started with “Hamas beheading babies” to the bombing of schools, hospitals, business because of “ human shields” to “ nobody is starving “ to “ they are starving because Hamas steals all the food” and there is “no genocide” to the recorded comments above.

 

I can not see Israel surviving another 50 years. 
 

They had their chance but have blown it.

[Packer]

Collective punishment is a war crime.

 

Collective slaughtering is genocide. 

[Packer]

47 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

But apart from the USA most have turned against them because of this ethnic cleansing genocide that they deny publicly but celebrate privately.

 

Not so privately.

 

Scores of the IDF have been happily posting videos of them gleefully committing war crimes on social media. 🙂

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Those hostages were not kept captives by the civilians and children. 

 

   But civilian deaths cannot be avoided when targeting the hostage takers 

[MalcolmB]

1 minute ago, Packer said:

 

Not so privately.

 

Scores of the IDF have been happily posting videos of them gleefully committing war crimes on social media. 🙂

Yes, disgusting animals posting videos of blowing up buildings with children inside.

Not even the Nazis were that low.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

 Go read the Geneva Conventions, particularly Geneva Convention IV relating to the protection of civilian persons in time of war and prohibit the killing of civilians in armed conflicts. 

 

   I can safely say that that isn't true . 

 

[MalcolmB]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   But civilian deaths cannot be avoided when targeting the hostage takers 

Some perhaps, but most were unavoidable.

Many, children and women included have been shot in the head which indicates they were deliberately targeted but the Jews are claiming they were just caught in the crossfire. 
Too much of a coincidence that such a high percentage have head shots.

It is murder.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Yes, disgusting animals posting videos of blowing up buildings with children inside.

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   I can safely say that that isn't true either 

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Some perhaps, but most were unavoidable.

Many, children and women included have been shot in the head which indicates they were deliberately targeted but the Jews are claiming they were just caught in the crossfire. 
Too much of a coincidence that such a high percentage have head shots.

It is murder.

 

   There are claims that they were targeted by Hamas , Hamas didn't want them moving to safe areas and so they shot them as they fled .

   Hamas needed them to stay as their human shields 

[Hummin]

3 hours ago, proton said:

 

If you want to believe Hamas propaganda

What a stupid statement

 

if you believe IDF it is the most human cleansing ever

[DaddyWarbucks]

18 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I can safely say that that isn't true . 

 

Who are you to say?

An israeli government official?

You certainly sound like one.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, DaddyWarbucks said:

Wbo are you to say?

An israeli government official?

You certainly sound like one.

 

   Its against forum rules to ask for personal information (from other posters)

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its against forum rules to ask for personal information (from other posters)

After 10 000 apologies for Israel we can safely say you are an Israeli friend who believes 100% in Israel and IDF

 

and that kind of patriotism is rear, never any doubt showed outwards 

[GammaGlobulin]

When we see history repeating itself, time after time, especially history of this nature...

I don't know about you, but...

 

I am giving up on any belief that Mankind will one-day become civilized, not to mention humane and logical.

 

The writing is on the wall, and I do not mean the Wailing Wall.

 

I do not put the blame on any specific group, or collection of groups.

 

Sapiens sapiens, at least in our world, in this world of increasingly powerful technology, is clearly a Failed Species.

 

We are unable to mend our ways, collectively, just due to the lack of cognitive tools for doing so.

The aspects of human behavior which will, and already do, prove to be most destructive are clearly present, and immutable, during the first two years of the human child's development.

These aspects of human behavior are not governed by environment, and are impossible to alter through learning.

 

This Topic highlights just one more example of the tragedy of the Human Genome.

 

Out of Control, and...

Beyond the Pale.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

After 10 000 apologies for Israel we can safely say you are an Israeli friend who believes 100% in Israel and IDF

 

and that kind of patriotism is rear, never any doubt showed outwards 

 

  Well yes, I am pro Israeli and believe that Oct 7 th should be avenged in full . 

   Palestinians need to learn that its not a good idea to attack Israel , that lesson hasn't been taught yet , there's still work to do , theres still people that need to be killed 

[MalcolmB]

41 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I can safely say that that isn't true either 

No you can’t, because it is true.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

No you can’t, because it is true.

 

   Post the videos up then .

Remember, the videos need to be what you claimed they were .

The videos need to be videos of the IDF deliberately blowing up buildings knowing that there were children inside .

   So, get posting those videos