On 8/19/2025 at 6:30 AM, Gsxrnz said:

How many children and non-combatants died in the Battle of Manila, or the bombing of Dresden?

 

The Israeli Hamas war is no different. It's called "war".

 

Well actually, only different in the fact that Hamas planned for 20+ years to use their civilians as cannon fodder while they spent billions constructing hundreds of kilometres of tunnel infrastructure and buying weaponry instead of building a viable economic infrastructure for the benefit of their children. 

it appears you may not have any relatives and/or family members that were hurt by such actions (war crimes), maybe you should have had and quite sure your opinion would be a different one

On 8/19/2025 at 9:55 AM, Bday Prang said:

it would not have mattered what the pilots said, they had their orders and they completed their missions and many civilians died,   yes including women and children   that is the nature of war.

wonder what you would say if it was the other way around, what type of excuses would you provide

i wasn't making excuses, I was stating facts

On 8/19/2025 at 6:18 AM, Patong2021 said:

 

You are  not providing the actual complete recording, only a portion of the recording.

Provide the full recording and let people hear the entire thing, not just the  edited version.

 

And you are providing nothing , and not even caring if children are being murdered. which is a war crime in itself.

 

You are trying to defend the indefensible and saying, in not so many words, that poor Israel is the innocent party.

 

People like you disgust me and possibly others as well.

 

Now not only is Israel shooting Palestinian men, women. children and babies, they are deliberately starving them of food. water, fuel and medicine, and the world just talks and talks about it.

 

Not even the USA, especially under Trump is doing a damn thing about it.

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

And you are providing nothing , and not even caring if children are being murdered. which is a war crime in itself.

 

You are trying to defend the indefensible and saying, in not so many words, that poor Israel is the innocent party.

 

People like you disgust me and possibly others as well.

 

Now not only is Israel shooting Palestinian men, women. children and babies, they are deliberately starving them of food. water, fuel and medicine, and the world just talks and talks about it.

 

Not even the USA, especially under Trump is doing a damn thing about it.

 

   Hamas are losing the war . 

Your side is trying to get Palestine to win the war by claiming starvation and war crimes .

   Hamas claims are not believed by people not supporting them 

On 8/19/2025 at 3:25 PM, Photoguy21 said:

There maybe bits in the news but no uproar like there is for Palestine. It is always a case of blame the UK. Have you not considered that Hamas brought this on themselves? There was no fighting until October 7th when Hamas attacked innocent people. 

There has been fighting in the land of Palestine since the turn of the 20th century. Israelis have been killing Palestinians and stealing their land  for decades. Far far longer than this latest episode. And most of the Palestinians were, and still are, innocent people. There is guilt on both sides, but far more guilt on the Israeli and IDF side.

It really does not matter, these children will grow up to be Hamas killers. 

 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, billd766 said:

There has been fighting in the land of Palestine since the turn of the 20th century. Israelis have been killing Palestinians and stealing their land  for decades. Far far longer than this latest episode. And most of the Palestinians were, and still are, innocent people. There is guilt on both sides, but far more guilt on the Israeli and IDF side.

 

25 minutes ago, billd766 said:

You are trying to defend the indefensible and saying, in not so many words, that poor Israel is the innocent party.

 

It's not a question of guilt or innocence but of survival.  The top priority of the Israeli government is to protect the homeland of the Jews and its people from destruction. Every day since 1948,  Israel has had to fight an enemy who's vowed to destroy it.

 

Palestinian children are no more guilty than German, Japanese, Chinese and Soviet children during WWII.  Germain and Japanese children died by the tens of thousands, Chinese and Soviet children by the millions. Sad as all hell, but it's a tragic consequence of waging war with modern weapons.  Palestinian, German and Japanese children all suffered horribly because the actions of their elders.

 

The best way to assure no more innocent Palestinian children are killed would be for Hamas to lay down its arms, free the hostages and recognize the right of Israel to exist as a sovereign state and homeland to the world's Jews.  Until that happens,  Palestinian children will continue to die alongside the Hamas operatives who use them as human shields.

56 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

The best way to assure no more innocent Palestinian children are killed would be for Hamas to lay down its arms, free the hostages and recognize the right of Israel to exist as a sovereign state and homeland to the world's Jews.  Until that happens,  Palestinian children will continue to die alongside the Hamas operatives who use them as human shields.

 

And if that was to happen, would the Israeli's leave Gaza and the West Bank alone to form a Country with all the same sort of borders as the rest of the World, with no interference?

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

 

 

It's not a question of guilt or innocence but of survival.  The top priority of the Israeli government is to protect the homeland of the Jews and its people from destruction. Every day since 1948,  Israel has had to fight an enemy who's vowed to destroy it.

 

Palestinian children are no more guilty than German, Japanese, Chinese and Soviet children during WWII.  Germain and Japanese children died by the tens of thousands, Chinese and Soviet children by the millions. Sad as all hell, but it's a tragic consequence of waging war with modern weapons.  Palestinian, German and Japanese children all suffered horribly because the actions of their elders.

 

The best way to assure no more innocent Palestinian children are killed would be for Hamas to lay down its arms, free the hostages and recognize the right of Israel to exist as a sovereign state and homeland to the world's Jews.  Until that happens,  Palestinian children will continue to die alongside the Hamas operatives who use them as human shields.

The tragedy is neither Hamas nor Netanyahu and the Israeli right wing will accept a two state solution.

35 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

And if that was to happen, would the Israeli's leave Gaza and the West Bank alone to form a Country with all the same sort of borders as the rest of the World, with no interference?

 

    Israel left Gaza , completely left Gaza in 2005 with the idea/agreement that Gaza could govern itself and once trust was established on both sides then Israel would give further support to Palestine statehood .

   Then look what happened .

Palestine used self governance to attack Israel at every opportunity and then started a full war 

Certainly didn't matter to Hamas/Gaza residents when children were killed 7 Oct ...

 

... "In total, 1,195 people were killed by the attacks: 736 Israeli civilians (including 38 children), 79 foreign nationals, and 379 members of the security forces. 364 civilians were killed and many more wounded while attending the Nova music festival " ... - wiki

 

Live or Die with your choices 

28 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Israel left Gaza , completely left Gaza in 2005 with the idea/agreement that Gaza could govern itself and once trust was established on both sides then Israel would give further support to Palestine statehood .

   Then look what happened .

Palestine used self governance to attack Israel at every opportunity and then started a full war 

 

Thanks for the History lesson, if only it was true, no doubt we could start a "Topic " that would run and run on that one, but that has nothing to do with my question, has it?

 

Just answer the original question and don't come back with more history, I for one would like to see, "Hamas lay down its arms, free the hostages and recognize the right of Israel to exist as a sovereign state and homeland to the world's Jews" quoted from the post by Evil Penevil that I answered with the question, And if that was to happen, would the Israeli's leave Gaza and the West Bank alone to form a Country with all the same sort of borders as the rest of the World, with no interference?

On 8/19/2025 at 9:24 PM, Patong2021 said:

What does their being a jew have to do with it?  There is no genocide, If there was, there would be no Gazans left alive. Most of the Gazan casualties are fighters, or people directly implicated in the war, or family members of fighters who were sacrificed by Hamas. In other cases, they are Gazans executed by Hamas and its alliies. Hamas, Islamic Jihad and others used the war to purge Gaza of opposing forces, such as Fatah.  Your refusal to acknowledge this speaks to your personal bias.

Of course they're is a Genocide, you must be Jewish if you deny that? An individual’s religion is irrelevant to this discussion and should not be brought into it. Genocide, as defined under international law, does not require the complete eradication of a people, but rather actions intended to destroy a group in whole or in part. The claim that most casualties are fighters is nonsense and contradicted by reports from independent humanitarian organizations, which confirm that many victims are civilians, including women and children. 

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

People like you disgust me and possibly others as well.

 

They disgust me too mate.

 

The Israel govt make no attempt to hide their intentions.

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Certainly didn't matter to Hamas/Gaza residents when children were killed 7 Oct ...

 

... "In total, 1,195 people were killed by the attacks: 736 Israeli civilians (including 38 children), 79 foreign nationals, and 379 members of the security forces. 364 civilians were killed and many more wounded while attending the Nova music festival " ... - wiki

 

Live or Die with your choices 

38 children? The news said 40 were beheaded, Biden saw it.

 

 

56 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Thanks for the History lesson, if only it was true, no doubt we could start a "Topic " that would run and run on that one, but that has nothing to do with my question, has it?

 

Just answer the original question and don't come back with more history, I for one would like to see, "Hamas lay down its arms, free the hostages and recognize the right of Israel to exist as a sovereign state and homeland to the world's Jews" quoted from the post by Evil Penevil that I answered with the question, And if that was to happen, would the Israeli's leave Gaza and the West Bank alone to form a Country with all the same sort of borders as the rest of the World, with no interference?

 

   My history lesson was indeed true . 

My history lesson does indeed answer the question .

Palestinians are untrustworthy and cannot be trusted with sovereignty or a country of their own .

    After Oct 7 th its clear that they need to be moved off the land , far away where they cannot attack Israel .

   No, Palestinians cannot have their own state , they need someone else to govern them 

 

19 minutes ago, JimCM said:

38 children? The news said 40 were beheaded, Biden saw it.

 

 

   Give it a rest about beheaded Children . 

Or at least keep it to the relevant thread where it has already been disused in depth .

   Otherwise it just the same discussion being repeated over and over again 

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

And you are providing nothing , and not even caring if children are being murdered. which is a war crime in itself.

You are trying to defend the indefensible and saying, in not so many words, that poor Israel is the innocent party.

People like you disgust me and possibly others as well.

Now not only is Israel shooting Palestinian men, women. children and babies, they are deliberately starving them of food. water, fuel and medicine, and the world just talks and talks about it.

 

Not even the USA, especially under Trump is doing a damn thing about it.

Not at all. I am commenting on the excerpt of a recording that appears to have been edited to provide the most negative of commentary.

It is wonderful that you are so concerned about the fate of children. Yes, indeed they should not suffer violence.  However, this thread is not about children. It is about a recording that has been presented out of context and not in its original form. In essence, it provides an excuse for people like you to stamp their feet in moral indignation and to label others as "bad" people.

 

57 minutes ago, JimCM said:

 

 

The day you have been in a war zone like this and have seen the "children" presenting as suicide bombers, or throwing grenades, or in acting as spotters for snipers, I will respect your opinion.

 

It's fine if you support the  Arab position. However, please do not repeat the same lies repeatedly. The "Palestinian" arabs are the colonizers. The Judeans/Israelites were always there. It was the Arabs who migrated  from the Arabian peninsula who colonized the region. It was the Ottoman Turks who occupied the region and left it in a mess.

7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   This generation is once again looking away when Jews got slaughtered by Nazis , not only are they looking away,  many even support the Palestinian/Nazis in their slaughter of Jews 

 

 

You have a totally distorted perception of the truth.

 

Jews are not slaughtered by Palestinian/Nazis except for one single day almost 2 years ago.

 

Israeli/Nazis stealing more and more land are killing Palestinians since almost 2 years to enlarge their "for Jews only ETHNO State". If that is not Nazi then I don`t know what. 

 

That's what a few % of Germans are demonstrating against.

 

But most look the other way.

7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They need to be removed from the area , so they cannot attack Israel again . The area needs to be knocked down and rebuilt with Israelis living there in the future .

  

 Or in other words, let Israel steal more land from it`s owners. Old Israeli tradition.

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Give it a rest about beheaded Children . 

Or at least keep it to the relevant thread where it has already been disused in depth .

   Otherwise it just the same discussion being repeated over and over again 

It highlights Israeli propaganda that you fall for.

If you don't want to discuss it, don't. 

5 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Not at all. I am commenting on the excerpt of a recording that appears to have been edited to provide the most negative of commentary.

It is wonderful that you are so concerned about the fate of children. Yes, indeed they should not suffer violence.  However, this thread is not about children. It is about a recording that has been presented out of context and not in its original form. In essence, it provides an excuse for people like you to stamp their feet in moral indignation and to label others as "bad" people.

 

Just in case you have forgotten this thread is titled ‘It doesn’t matter now if they are children’.

 

So yes, this thread IS about children, specifically about Palestinian children, no matter how you wish to twist, deny or change the subject of the thread.

1 minute ago, Chris.C said:

It highlights Israeli propaganda that you fall for.

If you don't want to discuss it, don't. 

 

   Its already been discussed .

You can go to the thread and read my posts about it .

We have already had a discussion about it .

Its been done already 

 

1 minute ago, Somjot said:

 Or in other words, let Israel steal more land from it`s owners. Old Israeli tradition.

He has never condemned the Israelis for administrative hostages in jails.

He  won't condemn Daniella Weiss, Israel Katz, Smotrich, Ben Gvir or Netanyahu, which tells you all you need to know. I just wish we could block moral monsters.

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That is why they all need to be moved to Rwanda or Southern Sudan .

The Children will grow up to be terrorists and attack Israel again .

 

Why not move back Israelis to Europe, where they came from?

 

 The whole conflict started with them coming from them.

 

And so many more. All the wars in that area. Most terror attacks.

 

And it won`t end with them stealing Gaza. They took land from their neighbors already.

 

Has anyone ever read what the Zionists want? Much more than todays Israel and Gaza. 

38 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Just in case you have forgotten this thread is titled ‘It doesn’t matter now if they are children’.

 

So yes, this thread IS about children, specifically about Palestinian children, no matter how you wish to twist, deny or change the subject of the thread.

 

Some Jews will defend Israel even after they've cleaned out Gaza and all West Bank. 

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its already been discussed .

You can go to the thread and read my posts about it .

We have already had a discussion about it .

Its been done already 

 

Do you condemn Daniella Weiss and Ben Gvir?

3 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

Why not move back Israelis to Europe, where they came from?

 

 The whole conflict started with them coming from them.

 

And so many more. All the wars in that area. Most terror attacks.

 

And it won`t end with them stealing Gaza. They took land from their neighbors already.

 

Has anyone ever read what the Zionists want? Much more than todays Israel and Gaza. 

Move them to the USA, it's the only country that supports their ethnic cleansing.