2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Israel left Gaza , completely left Gaza in 2005 with the idea/agreement that Gaza could govern itself and once trust was established on both sides then Israel would give further support to Palestine statehood .

   Then look what happened .

Palestine used self governance to attack Israel at every opportunity and then started a full war 

 

We live in different realities.

 

Ben Netankofsky helped create Hamas to divide the Palestinians and create conflict amongst them and Israel occupied Gaza controlling every way in and out by air, land and sea.

 

That you call "left Gaza"??

 

I quote: "We will put Gaza on a diet"

 

Not enough to live too much to die.

 

Did you forget the 42 kneecaps?

 

 

On 8/19/2025 at 2:59 PM, bannork said:

Blame the British and the Balfour Declaration of 1917.

While you can blame us to a certain extent I am sure if we knew they were going to act similar to Nazis we would have given them nothing.

3 minutes ago, Chris.C said:

Move them to the USA, it's the only country that supports their ethnic cleansing.

 

 

Seriously being a German I have no problem to suggest:

 

Move them to Germany.

 

Give them bloody Bavaria.

 

Germans committed the Holocaust.

 

Why do the Palestinians have to pay for it?

 

2 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

We live in different realities.

 

Ben Netankofsky helped create Hamas

 

   I have no idea who Ben Netankofsky is

A websearch of his name brings up no results 

18 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

Why not move back Israelis to Europe, where they came from?

 

 

    That didn't go too well last time did it .

Or is that a little plan to finish Hitlers job ? 

Send the Jews straight back to Autsvitch and Treblinka ?

19 minutes ago, Chris.C said:

Do you condemn Daniella Weiss and Ben Gvir?

 

   I don't know enough about either of them to have a opinion 

23 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

I am not appalled.

The day you have been in a war zone like this and have seen the "children" presenting as suicide bombers, or throwing grenades, or in acting as spotters for snipers, I will respect your opinion.

 

So you have been to Gaza and seen that? Palestinian kids throwing grenades? Any proof. A single pic?

 

 

23 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

It's fine if you support the  Arab position. However, please do not repeat the same lies repeatedly. The "Palestinian" arabs are the colonizers. The Judeans/Israelites were always there. It was the Arabs who migrated  from the Arabian peninsula who colonized the region. It was the Ottoman Turks who occupied the region and left it in a mess.

 

It is you who is not telling the truth.

 

Yes Arabs migrated to that area, still many people lived there even after the Romans made it their colony.

 

There is a slight difference between peaceful migration and colonization.

 

As many of us, I migrated to Thailand. Are you saying me and all the other expats are colonizers?? Never saw it like that.

 

Jews left. Some were driven out, some went for greener pastures as Roman taxes were high and Jews good businesspeople.

 

That area was occupied by many empires, nevertheless for more than 1000 years Jews, Christians and Muslims lived next to each other most of the time peacefully.

 

100 years ago Jews were only 3% of the population.

 

The real <deleted> started when they had nothing better to do than to create an "ETHNO state by Jews for Jews".

 

Just 3 years after the racist third Reich fell. Go figure.

 

And they wonder why they are surrounded by enemies.

Several over-the-top trolling posts have been removed.

 

Note the pertinent forum rule:

"You may not discriminate, use slurs, or post hostile or abusive comments based on personal characteristics such as race, gender, age, religion, ethnicity, nationality..."

16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I have no idea who Ben Netankofsky is

A websearch of his name brings up no results 

Let me fill that gap:

 

Do you know

 

Benjamin Mileikowski? try Netanjahu

 

Gal Greenstein? try Gadot

 

David Grün? try  Ben-Gurion

 

Golda Mabovitch? try  Meir

 

Yitzhak Rubitzov? try Rabin

 

The reason for changing their names was to conceal the past. Zionists gave Hebrew names to people and places to erase 2800 years between the fall of ancient Israel and the birth of modern Israel.

 

Like all successful criminals they are trying to rewrite their past.

 

1 minute ago, Somjot said:

Let me fill that gap:

 

Do you know

 

Benjamin Mileikowski? try Netanjahu

 

Gal Greenstein? try Gadot

 

David Grün? try  Ben-Gurion

 

Golda Mabovitch? try  Meir

 

Yitzhak Rubitzov? try Rabin

 

The reason for changing their names was to conceal the past. Zionists gave Hebrew names to people and places to erase 2800 years between the fall of ancient Israel and the birth of modern Israel.

 

Like all successful criminals they are trying to rewrite their past.

 

 

   Who is  Ben Netankofsky though ?

4 minutes ago, Somjot said:

Let me fill that gap:

 

Do you know

 

Benjamin Mileikowski? try Netanjahu

 

Gal Greenstein? try Gadot

 

David Grün? try  Ben-Gurion

 

Golda Mabovitch? try  Meir

 

Yitzhak Rubitzov? try Rabin

 

The reason for changing their names was to conceal the past. Zionists gave Hebrew names to people and places to erase 2800 years between the fall of ancient Israel and the birth of modern Israel.

 

Like all successful criminals they are trying to rewrite their past.

 

 

   BTW, what crime did Gal Gadot commit ?

3 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

And if that was to happen, would the Israeli's leave Gaza and the West Bank alone to form a Country with all the same sort of borders as the rest of the World, with no interference?

 

Yes, if Israelis are convinced they can live in peace behind secure borders, I believe they would allow Palestinians to form a truly independent Palestinian state encompassing the West Bank and Gaza. Of course, groups like Hamas must disappear.   The whole thing hinges on Palestinians and other Arabs as well as the Iranian government accepting Israel's right to exist as a homeland for the world's Jews.  That's the crucial point- Palestinians, Arabs and radical non-Arab Muslims must give up the idea of destroying the state of Israel and driving the Jews into the sea.

 

The day that happens, a permanent solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict will become possible.  Remember, the Palestinians were offered their own state alongside Israel in 1948, but they rejected it.  Jordan and Egypt could have overseen the formation of a Palestinian state from the territory of Palestine Mandate they invaded and conquered in 1948, but neither was willing to do so.  It wasn't until Israel occupied the West Bank and the Gaza strip in 1967  that talk of a Palestinian state seriously emerged on the Arab side.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen is "extremely saddened by the situation of the children in Gaza", Commission spokesperson Arianna Podesta told reporters on Thursday.

 

"She is extremely saddened by the situation children are facing in Gaza. The president has said that the humanitarian situation in Gaza is appalling," the spokesperson said in response to a question on the situation in Gaza.

 

Podesta said that Von der Leyen stood for the protection of children everywhere in the world, noting that she had spearheaded a call for the release of abducted Ukrainian children from Russian custody alongside US first lady Melania Trump.

 

Ursula von der Leyen 'extremely saddened' by situation of children in Gaza

42 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I don't know enough about either of them to have a opinion 

Liar.

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

 

We live in different realities.

 

Ben Netankofsky helped create Hamas to divide the Palestinians and create conflict amongst them and Israel occupied Gaza controlling every way in and out by air, land and sea.

 

That you call "left Gaza"??

 

I quote: "We will put Gaza on a diet"

 

Not enough to live too much to die.

 

Did you forget the 42 kneecaps?

 

 

Shocking. 

Israelis think 1 of them is worth many Palestinians.

Don't forget the Occupation, Blockade, Apartheid, illegal settlements, 1000 s of administrative detainees, desperate roads for Jews, separate courts, etc etc. Worse than Apartheid in SA, days a good US President.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DPD_gAtICNtI&ved=2ahUKEwjNpcOUrJyPAxXTTkEAHeXeBbEQo7QBegQIHRAG&usg=AOvVaw1t8LcRiLQAXUcmf_UuyXG2

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

 

We live in different realities.

 

Ben Netankofsky helped create Hamas to divide the Palestinians and create conflict amongst them and Israel occupied Gaza controlling every way in and out by air, land and sea.

 

That you call "left Gaza"??

 

I quote: "We will put Gaza on a diet"

 

Not enough to live too much to die.

 

Did you forget the 42 kneecaps?

 

 

 

 

Maybe the people of Palestine should rethink their “I hate Israel” at all cost stance.   It’s not working in their favor.   

12 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

 

Maybe the people of Palestine should rethink their “I hate Israel” at all cost stance.   It’s not working in their favor.   

What an ignorant thing to say. 

You've no idea the discrimination they've suffered, their land stolen, Apartheid, blockades, occupation, regular massacres.... Why the fork should Palestinians like Israelis?

 

I don't know how many people in threads such as this will have seen this interview with Benjamin Netanyahu... (FFWD to 3:45 if you don't have patience).

 

However.... it's clear to me (at least) that while Israel are considered the 'aggressors' their actions are due to a lack of alternative options...  While I'm wholly sympathetic to the plight of the innocent Palestinian peoples it is the hardline strategies of the PLO and Hamas who have caused and perpetuated these issues... 

 

With the amount of aid Gaza has received it could be an Mediterranean Riviera had the funds not been squandered on terrorist activities and a tunnel network the size of Subway / underground of a major city.

 

 

 

 

 

On 8/19/2025 at 3:40 AM, Patong2021 said:

What's your point?

Even your source recognizes that the presented excerpts are “fragments of partial things, which cannot reflect the full picture – certainly when it comes to complex, detailed issues, most of which are highly classified”.

Why not present the ENTIRE recording?

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This is not a good time for Jews. Better use your energy to stop Netanyahu as Israel supports are becoming more and more outcast and abhored daily.

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

With the amount of Aid Gaza has received it could be an Mediterranean, had the funds not been squandered terrorist tunnel network the size of Subway / underground of a major city.

 

Do you think they should have not resisted Occupation, total control of utilities, borders, airspace by Israel?

I don't think you understand how evil Israel have been in the last decades.

Are you supporting Netanyahu?

You must want a greater Israel with no Palestine state, or Palestinians if that's the case.

27 minutes ago, Chris.C said:

What an ignorant thing to say. 

You've no idea the discrimination they've suffered, their land stolen, Apartheid, blockades, occupation, regular massacres.... Why the fork should Palestinians like Israelis?

 

It’s not ignorant.  They keep on attacking Israel and lose everytime.

 

What is the definition of insanity? 

23 minutes ago, Chris.C said:

Do you think they should have not resisted Occupation, total control of utilities, borders, airspace by Israel?

I don't think you understand how evil Israel have been in the last decades.

Are you supporting Netanyahu?

You must want a greater Israel with no Palestine state, or Palestinians if that's the case.

Much of this is the result of their persistent attacks on Israel. 

6 minutes ago, TedG said:

It’s not ignorant.  They keep on attacking Israel and lose everytime.

 

What is the definition of insanity? 

Regarding your question, I would say proclaiming that God, whoever he is, gave them the land a long, long time ago.

On 8/19/2025 at 1:22 AM, Packer said:

 

The evil psychopaths have their children happily singing songs about annihilating everyone in Gaza.

 

 

“Autumn night falls over the beach of Gaza … Planes are bombing, destruction, destruction…Look the IDF [Israeli army] is crossing the line… To annihilate the swastika bearers. In another year there will be nothing there… And we will return safely to our homes… Within a year we will annihilate everyone… And then we will return to plough our fields.”

 

An idea joyfully supported by Jews on AN. 🙂 

 

No wonder the leaders have international warrants out for their arrest on charges of crimes against humanity and war crimes. Remember, every person that assists, and aids and abets a war crimes is also guilty. No wonder so many Jew soldiers are committing suicide. 🙂 

 

It's both sides, they hate each other!!!

 

 

 

 

 

Haunting pictures show parents running with kids as Israel launches Gaza assault

 

 

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

 

 

Haunting pictures show parents running with kids as Israel launches Gaza assault

 

 

Disgusting 

1 hour ago, Chris.C said:

Do you think they should have not resisted Occupation, total control of utilities, borders, airspace by Israel?

I don't think you understand how evil Israel have been in the last decades.

Are you supporting Netanyahu?

You must want a greater Israel with no Palestine state, or Palestinians if that's the case.

 

I have worked extensively throughout the Middle East, including in conflict zones, and I have also worked in Israel. Through these experiences, I have come to appreciate that the issues at play are far more complex than much of the online commentary, news coverage, or social media debate tends to acknowledge.

 

At one time, I believe opportunities for a lasting solution were more feasible, had the PLO and the Arab League (including Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Transjordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen) approached negotiations with a genuine willingness to pursue peace rather than focus on the outright elimination of Israel.

 

That said, I do think there remains the potential for coexistence between Israelis and Palestinians under a framework of a “greater Israel,” where Palestinians could live, work, vote, and pay taxes alongside Jewish citizens. Indeed, Arabs - who constitute about 21% of Israel’s population (many of whom are Christian) live without state-sanctioned discrimination, and within Israel, there is no systematic animosity toward Arab Muslims or Palestinian citizens.

 

In my view, the core obstacles to peace have consistently been political: proposals for compromise and coexistence have often been offered and then rejected first by the PLO and, more recently, by Hamas. This is where the impasse has largely persisted.

 

Could there still be a solution in which Palestinians exist peacefully within a democratic Israel? I believe it is theoretically possible, but questions remain about whether groups like Hamas would accept such an arrangement and whether extremist violence would continue with the continued hardline retaliation from Israel.

 

Regarding the possibility of a two-state solution, particularly with a sovereign Palestinian state confined to the Gaza Strip, I am deeply sceptical. As long as Hamas and its supporters continue to chant slogans such as “From the River to the Sea” which I interpret as a call for the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Israel, a viable Palestinian state alongside Israel seems unlikely (many Pro-Palestine protesters around the world don't even have an idea to which River it is they are referring). Many pro-Palestinian activists may genuinely be advocating for a democratic state for all, but under Hamas’s rule, this is unrealistic.

 

Back to the 'democratic' part I highlighted in bold above... Of the 22 Arab League states very few are genuinely democratic by Western standards. Most are monarchies or authoritarian regimes. Only Tunisia has a functioning democracy (though weakened after the Arab Spring), while Lebanon, Iraq, and Mauritania are sectarian, unstable, or heavily corrupt, with severely limited freedoms. These realities make the prospect of a peaceful, democratic Palestinian state exceedingly difficult under current conditions.

 

 

The questions I ask myself are:

 

If Israel were to disarm completely and remove all weapons, would it survive tomorrow?
Given the ongoing threats from hostile groups and regional instability, I am deeply sceptical. Israel exists in a highly volatile environment, surrounded by actors—some state, some non-state—who have historically sought its destruction. Complete disarmament could leave it extremely vulnerable.

 

If Hamas were to disarm completely and remove all weapons, would Israel offer support, protection, or integrate Palestinians peacefully, or would it still seek to dominate or eliminate them?
Realistically, Israel has demonstrated that it can tolerate Arab citizens and maintain peace when political groups act responsibly, as seen with the 21% of Arabs living within Israel today. However, the ongoing rhetoric from Hamas and other extremists, combined with repeated cycles of violence, makes the answer uncertain. Would there be trust? Would extremists continue to incite violence? The risk of renewed conflict would remain high.

 

 

Underlying these questions is a broader reflection:
 

Peace is not just about disarmament; it requires mutual recognition, political maturity, and a willingness to coexist. Weapons are only a symptom - real security comes from agreements, institutions, and respect for human rights. Without that, even complete disarmament on both sides may not prevent further conflict.

 

A related consideration:
Could a framework exist where Israel and Palestinians are fully integrated into a democratic system, with voting rights, equal opportunities, and protections for all citizens? In theory, yes - but this requires dismantling extremist ideologies, fostering moderate leadership, and building trust over generations, something that has been extremely difficult in practice.

 

 

2 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

We live in different realities.

 

Ben Netankofsky helped create Hamas to divide the Palestinians and create conflict amongst them and Israel occupied Gaza controlling every way in and out by air, land and sea.

 

Did you forget that Palestine has a boarder with Egypt, so why only blame Israel for the lack of supplies entering Palestine?

 

 

26 minutes ago, still kicking said:

Disgusting 

 

Talking of disgusting, here is ex-Reform MP (and hero to some on this forum who want him to become PM) Rupert Lowe.

What an absolute scum bag. His Twitter feed is just a long list of hate.

Look it up on x.com and, thankfully, the comments universally slate him - there is hope yet. I would love to post some of the comments but they would get me banned, worth seeking out though.
 

2 hours ago, Chris.C said:

Liar.

 

   What is that accusation based on ?

Its a false accusation

I haven't actually heard of one of them  

Your claims that I am lying are untrue