5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Which publication will it need to be reported in for you to believe it ?

 

Any that is independent, hasn't got a member of the "most moral army" within shooting distance of the reporter, and that has not been through the Israeli censors.

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Any that is independent, hasn't got a member of the "most moral army" within shooting distance of the reporter, and that has not been through the Israeli censors.

 

   Could you just name them?

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Could you just name them?

 

I would love to, as soon as Israel allows independent journalists to live in Gaza, without killing them.

 

Global media outlets unite to protest Israel’s killing of journalists in Gaza: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/31/middleeast/media-protest-israel-killing-journalists-gaza-intl

 

Journalists killed in Gaza: In an open letter, journalists' associations join Reporters Without Borders call for action: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/09/01/journalists-killed-in-gaza-in-an-open-letter-journalists-associations-join-reporters-without-borders-call-for-action_6744919_4.html

 

The journalists had worked with Reuters, AP, Al Jazeera and the Middle East Eye, the news outlets confirmed.

Footage of the attack shows a second strike hitting rescuers who had arrived to help those targeted by the initial attack.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called the incident a "tragic mishap" and said military authorities were "conducting a thorough investigation".: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp89rp48246o

ProTip: When you are in a war zone and hanging around terrorists, you support  in one way or another, stay 100 yards away from them. Avoid terrorist areas like hospitals and kindergardens.

6 minutes ago, Somjot said:

@genocidesupporters 

 

All you do is simply denying "not true" without any proof to debunk the accusation, or citing ridiculous proofs like a single whistle blower or arguing on a questionable grounds by presupposing false claims (Gaza is occupied, there is no legal self-defense on occupied grounds by the occupier) (if you apply a complete blockade on an area occupied by you, any casualty resulting from it, any starvation and famine is your fault, no matter what Hamas does or does not. Period!) or insulting and branding your opponents (get that into your heads: a person criticizing the intentional targeting of children and murdering unarmed civilians is NOT a terrorist supporter. In fact you are, if you by any means try to justify that.) 

 

Israel is done!

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/01/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-worlds-top-scholars-on-the-say

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

 

20.000 murdered children

 

And most Israelis support that.

 

Indiscriminate bombing of almost every civilian building

 

Then starvation

 

Then kicking out the UN and their 400 food delivery sites and opening only 4 sites

 

 

Then even shooting at the hungry crowd.

 

That is more than depraved.

 

 

That poor boy walked 12 Kilometers to get a bit of food for his mother.

 

Even kissed the hand of an US soldier to thank him.

 

AND WAS GUNNED DOWN MINUTES LATER BY THE IDF.

 

WHY?

 

Go on, justify that??

 

How do you @Israelisalwaysrightnomatterwhat people live with yourself?

 

 

None of these kids will ever be forgotten.

 

Some lowlifes will try to deny it or to play it down.

 

"Oh well, bad thing happen in wars, don`t poke the bear, it`s all Hamas fault."

 

Mind gymnastics that make any person with a bit of humanity puke, and which they would never apply, if their own kids were harmed.

 

Even Hollywood with it`s deafening silence is waking up.

 

 

Israel is done!

 

They have become the same abominations, which mass murdered their parents and grandparents.

 

Swastika replaced by Star of David.

 

What an irony of history.

 

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42 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Yesterday, Isreal forces have started its final offensive to put this Gaza issue with its terrorist leadership to bed, by moving most of the population north to a safe zone thus allowing its forces to clear tunnels and bunkers controlled by Hamas and to eliminate Hamas once and for all.

Oh. guys, don't be shy with your usual disapproval responses, will you? 

In continuation of the situation, 4 divisions of infantry and armored vehicles, the IDF is moving in to clear the Hamas of its strong holds, while moving the population south while carting for their needs as far as dwelling and infrastructure concerns,

The IDF has an issue with Hamas, not the Palestinians people, unfortunately Hamas has made sure to include the people as their shields and thus becoming a collateral casualties.

33 minutes ago, ezzra said:

In continuation of the situation, 4 divisions of infantry and armored vehicles, the IDF is moving in to clear the Hamas of its strong holds, while moving the population south while carting for their needs as far as dwelling and infrastructure concerns,

The IDF has an issue with Hamas, not the Palestinians people, unfortunately Hamas has made sure to include the people as their shields and thus becoming a collateral casualties.

Totally disproved by Israel’s  stated policy of ethnic cleansing.

On 8/31/2025 at 11:04 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Yet more of your lies:

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/usaid-analysis-found-no-evidence-massive-hamas-theft-gaza-aid-2025-07-25/

 

   I believe that Hamas does steal the food and sell that food for  profit .

I also believe that Hamas will steal the food in the future .

That is my opinion and what I believe to be true .

"A lie" is something you say which you know isn't true .

My claim is what I believe to be true .

So , even if I was wrong about my claim .

It still wouldn't be  lie , because I believed what I said was true .

So, could you retract your claim that I was lying ?

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I believe that Hamas does steal the food and sell that food for  profit .

I also believe that Hamas will steal the food in the future .

That is my opinion and what I believe to be true .

"A lie" is something you say which you know isn't true .

My claim is what I believe to be true .

So , even if I was wrong about my claim .

It still wouldn't be  lie , because I believed what I said was true .

So, could you retract your claim that I was lying ?

You believe?

You’ve frequently demonstrated your beliefs wrt to Palestinians to be uniformly perjorative while equally supportive of any actions by Israel regardless of what those actions are.

 

Try ‘reasonable belief’.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You believe?

You’ve frequently demonstrated your beliefs wrt to Palestinians to be uniformly perjorative while equally supportive of any actions by Israel regardless of what those actions are.

 

Try ‘reasonable belief’.

 

 

 

 

    Yes, that is what I believe .

I was not telling a  lie when I predicated that Hamas would steal the food in the future .

   So, last time of asking .

Will you retract your claim that I was lying ?

Or are you going to stand by your claim that my prediction for the future was  lie ?

    You will be standing by your claim that I don't really think that Hamas will steal food in the future and that I was lying when I claimed that ?

Will you retract your claim that I was lying ?

You can replace it with 'You are wrong about that' , if you want 

But , it just couldn't have been  lie .

I apologize for unknowingly breaking forum rules and to any member, that might have felt insulted by me.

 

And I rephrase:

 

To all the uncritical supporters of Israel:

 

All you do is simply denying "not true" or "I don`t believe that" without any proof to debunk accusations based on sources, or just keeping silent (I am still waiting for comments on that IDF soldier who raped the Palestinian detainee and was celebrated as a hero on a TV show)  citing ridiculous proofs like a single whistle blower or arguing on questionable grounds by presupposing false claims (Gaza is occupied, there is no legal self-defense on occupied grounds by the occupier) (if you apply a complete blockade any casualty resulting from it, any starvation and famine is your fault, no matter what Hamas does or does not. Period!) or insulting and branding your opponents (get that into your heads: a person criticizing the intentional targeting of children and murdering unarmed civilians is NOT a terrorist supporter.) or simply call them anti-semite.

 

Israel is done!

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/01/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-worlds-top-scholars-on-the-say

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

 

20.000 murdered children.

 

50.000 slaughtered Palestinians.

 

Done by the army of a democratic state ordered by a government elected by Israelis less than 3 years ago.

 

Meaning most Israelis support that.

 

Opposing the argument everybody in Gaza is Hamas, as they voted for them - that was 20 years ago!

 

Indiscriminate bombing of almost every civilian building

 

Then starvation by kicking out the UN and their 400 food delivery sites and opening only 4 sites

 

 

 

That's a new low for Israel ... 🤬

 

... "Gaza: Israeli Killings of Palestinians Seeking Food Are War Crimes

Abandon US-Backed ‘Death Trap’ Scheme, Press Israel to End Mass Starvation" ...

 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/08/01/gaza-israeli-killings-of-palestinians-seeking-food-are-war-crimes

 

... "Gaza: Nearly 1,400 Palestinians killed while seeking food, as UN warns airdrops are no solution" ...

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/08/1165552

Now this is a textbook example about one of many Zio arguing strategies:

 

If you don`t like the question as answering it would reveal how wrong your opinion is, just don`t answer. Ridicule the question and confuse the asking person by applying a totally distorted logic.

 

Here is the question

 

On 8/31/2025 at 12:36 AM, Somjot said:

Imagine you are at some beach with wife and kids and suddenly some bikers show up acting inappropriately. If you walk over to ask them to act differently and they beat you and your family into coma, and later the police tells you "Well, you had it coming" or "don`t poke the bear", would you just accept that?

 

And here the Zio answer

 

On 8/31/2025 at 2:33 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

Bikers are generally quite respectful and keep themselves to themselves and wouldn't fight members of the public 

 

Slippery as an eel, yet revealing his cowardice unable to admit that the IDF are war criminals or that he agrees with their actions as he sees Palestinians as lesser people with no right to exist.

2 hours ago, Somjot said:

Now this is a textbook example about one of many Zio arguing strategies:

 

If you don`t like the question as answering it would reveal how wrong your opinion is, just don`t answer. Ridicule the question and confuse the asking person by applying a totally distorted logic.

 

Here is the question

 

 

And here the Zio answer

 

 

Slippery as an eel, yet revealing his cowardice unable to admit that the IDF are war criminals or that he agrees with their actions as he sees Palestinians as lesser people with no right to exist.

 

   Do you believe that Israel has the right to exist ?

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do you believe that Israel has the right to exist ?

I am British from Dudley  i left UK in 1995 and have lived and worked throughout the middle east Central Asia and have spent much time and worked in both Iran and Yemen

Israel is living on stolen land is a terrorist state  and simply does not have the right to exist.

I am sure my opinion will now doubt get some peoples knickers  in a twist but i can live with that!

 

I forgot i was a  member of this forum but probably banned now i will check in a few years no doubt

3 minutes ago, poohy2 said:

I am British from Dudley  i left UK in 1995 and have lived and worked throughout the middle east Central Asia and have spent much time and worked in both Iran and Yemen

Israel is living on stolen land is a terrorist state  and simply does not have the right to exist.

I am sure my opinion will now doubt get some peoples knickers  in a twist but i can live with that!

 

I forgot i was a  member of this forum but probably banned now i will check in a few years no doubt

 

   Your first post in 8 years of being  member  ?

Thanks for posting and  hopefully see you again in 2032

@Nick Carter icp

 

Thank you for helping me to complete my "basic principles of a debate for Zionists" essay.

 

1. never answer an honest question

 

2. ridicule the question

 

3. confuse the person who asked by applying a distorted logic

 

now what did you add today?

 

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do you believe that Israel has the right to exist ?

 

4. ask a yes-or-no trick question.

 

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Your first post in 8 years of being  member  ?

Thanks for posting and  hopefully see you again in 2032

 

 5. never be fair, always be passive aggressive towards opponents

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do you believe that Israel has the right to exist ?

 

an here is my answer as "me":

 

No country has a right to exist. There is no law stating that. People have a right to exist. Israelis and Palestinians both have the right to exists. That being said, Israel is an outdated ethno state with archaic laws clearly preferring one group of people and with an apartheid system, that has no place in a modern world.

 

here is  my answer as my "Zio - me":

 

Do you believe that Palestine / Palestinian children / innocent non-combatants have a right to exist?

 

46 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

an here is my answer as "me":

 

. Israelis and Palestinians both have the right to exists.

 

 

  Keep it at that .

You believe that Israel has the right to exist .

That makes you  Zionist 

Zionists believe that Israel as  Jewish homeland, has the right to exist 

You are a  Zio as well .

   The actual border can be discussed at  later date 

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

4. ask a yes-or-no trick question.

 

 

    Where was the  "trick" ?

Straight  forward question 

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Keep it at that .

You believe that Israel has the right to exist .

That makes you  Zionist 

Zionists believe that Israel as  Jewish homeland, has the right to exist 

You are a  Zio as well .

   The actual border can be discussed at  later date 

Principle 5. : intentionally misinterpret your opponent to use his argument for yourself.

 

I did not write Israel has a right to exist, I wrote about Israelis, meaning people.

 

Now, jokes aside.

 

I don`t think I am a Zionist as their way of building a Jewish homeland is based on theft, forced displacement and killing of those who resist.

 

But I admit, that I strongly believe that Jews have the right to their own homeland, where their safety is not depending on the goodwill and mercy of others.

 

I am writing that based on the knowledge, what Jews had to endure through history, especially regarding the unforgettable atrocities committed by my ancestors.

 

But, what is happening in Gaza at the moment, that`s just wrong, as it creates anti-semitism.

 

When I see those pics from Gaza and then other videos from Israelis being attacked and chased at some sports events or or music festivals, that is just horrific.

 

Our world is going in a very wrong direction at the moment. It`s a nightmare.

 

And I oppose that same as I oppose any kind of violence towards innocent people no matter if they live in Gaza or in Israel.

 

That`s why I condemn the IDF for their way to cruel and long response to the October 7 attacks.

 

But I condemn those sick bastards from Hamas even more, as they knew exactly what would happen, if they perform those attacks, but still did it, sacrificing their own people and despite the ongoing slaughter still refuse to free the hostages and capitulate, which should teach every Gazan that they are not fighting for Gaza but actually against it.

 

31 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Where was the  "trick" ?

Straight  forward question 

 

The question "do you believe that Israel has a right to exist?" has been asked thousand times in the media and was some kind of litmus test used to silence any critic against Israel.

 

If you would answer yes, than they would ask "then why are you criticizing Israel? Just shut up"

 while any "yes, but" answer, not to mention a "no" would libel you as an anti-semite.

 

The intention was and is to move the debate from "why is Israel killing so many people?" to "Israel is fighting for it`s existence", which is a smart yet unfair move, as Israel`s existence was never in danger by Hamas.

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