13 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

 

Pop music isn't for the geriatrics!

 

Here are some young men expressing their dislike of Taylor Swift's music:

 

!A lot of Taylor Swift songs sound almost the same... her newer songs are all about how she broke up with her latest boyfriend and they can be dreadful to listen to. In almost every new song she rambles on and on about how it was their fault, and that she misses what they have and it’s mentally draining to sit through. "

 

" I’d rather watch paint drying on a 10-hour loop."

 

"I think Taylor Swift is entirely intolerable. I can’t name a song that I would enjoy sitting through. It genuinely irks me when she re-releases the exact same music and makes millions and hits the top charts."

 

https://grcsmokesignals.net/14110/showcase/taylor-swift-is-overrated-and-heres-why/

 

All very young guys, they look 19 tops.

 

So clearly dislike of Taylor Swift is a universal sentiment not tied to age in any way. We've reached "Peak Swift".

Yes. Melania Trump. She has accomplished absolutely zero in her lifetime, she has become the most absent and most irrelevant first lady in American history, and her origins are very questionable.

 

By contrast Taylor Swift has donated nearly 100 million dollars to various causes which is about a thousand times more than Donald Trump has donated his in his entire lifetime, and 10,000 times more than Elon Musk has ever donated. 

1 hour ago, angryguy said:

How many single childless cat ladies in their late 30s is she responsible for? How many abortions has she indirectly caused? Trump has actually saved alot of womens lives that would have otherwise been ruined by illegals raping and murdering them. What has taylor swift done for women other than selling them a lie they dont realize until they hit their 40s?

 

Good grief. Your post is all over the shop like a mad woman's scat.

 

Anyway, why are you incels so upset about a woman, any woman, when you say you don't need them?

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

Yes. Melania Trump. She has accomplished absolutely zero in her lifetime, she has become the most absent and most irrelevant first lady in American history, and her origins are very questionable.

 

By contrast Taylor Swift has donated nearly 100 million dollars to various causes which is about a thousand times more than Donald Trump has donated his in his entire lifetime, and 10,000 times more than Elon Musk has ever donated. 

Didnt have to think too long to know youre wrong. When you arent plagiarizing you are just flat out making stuff up

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I would think pop stars from the last 3 decades did more damage to girls thinking than many other things. Looking up to musicians with their stage shows, millions of dollars and slutty behavior has a lot of girls thinking this is normal, instead of looking at their own moms, who should be their first and major role model. Morals have gotten worse over time, and it all begins at home, mainly with absent fathers, as far as women are concerned.

 

One would have to agree, certainly Taylor Swift is not the first in a long, long loooooong line, of ultra slutty female performers who try to sell the fantasy of sex, to then turn around and pretend to be serious "artists".

 

For some reason it did not have the same impact in the past, yes we always had women selling sex in pop, Suzi Quattro, Blondie, etc, but today this has totally taken over. Perhaps it is the overly strong thirst for women, this over valuing of women that make female pop stars rule the pop world today, I don't know, but it certainly was not the case that sex hawkers dominated in the 70s and 80s the way they do today. I suppose Madonna is another example that comes to mind, tell a lie.

 

There can be no doubt that films and music influence people. And especially young people. And Taylor Swift singing about her "very long list of lovers" and all the sex she imagines, well, clearly this does have an influence on young girls.

23 minutes ago, JAG said:

Is there a worse role model for women than Taylor Swift?

 

well, let me see: Pam Bondi, Kristi Noem, Tulsi Gabbard, Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Boebart...

Along with the Kardashians, Madonna, Miley Cyrus, Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez, Nicki Minaj and others.

15 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

This is true of course, and Elvis was made into a superstar by 13 year old girls, on account of his sexually suggestive gyrating hip movements and exotic looks. So Elvis was undeniably the first true sex hawker in music that became truly popular.

 

So now we get our Karma for servicing 13 year old girls sexually, we have to endure 35 year old women pretending to be 13 year old girls. Karma never fails.

 

We tore down the chains of morality, and now 35 year old women are whippnig them around our heads.

 

This is what happens when you liberate women sexually. It's lose-lose. Again, we have to thank those in their 70s and 80s today for ruining the world in every way imaginable, including morally.

 

I believe all women found him attractive, not just 13 year olds. Not enough 13 year olds around to turn him into the biggest star of all time

Maybe Melania Trump?

 

A former softcore porn model who allegedly lied on her Einstein (or is that Epstein?) Visa application, who headed off to ostensibly comfort victims of a natural disaster wearing a jacket carrying the words, "I don't care; do you?"

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Along with the Kardashians, Madonna, Miley Cyrus, Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez, Nicki Minaj and others.

 

...and not forgetting that hussy Christina Aguilera! 😍🤣

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

One would have to agree, certainly Taylor Swift is not the first in long, long loooooong line, of ultra slutty female performers who try to sell the fantasy of sex, to then turn around and pretend to be serious "artists".

 

For some reason it did not have the same impact in the past, yes we always had women selling sex in pop, Suzi Quattro, Blondie, etc, but today this is totally taken over. Perhaps it is the overly strong thirst for women, this over valuing of women that make female pop stars rule the pop world today, I don't know, but it certainly was not the case that sex hawkers dominated in the 70s and 80s the way they do today. I suppose Madonna is another example that comes to mind, tell a lie.

 

There can be no doubt that films and music influence people. And especially young people. And Taylor Swift singing about her "very long list of lovers" and all the sex she imagines, well, clearly this does have an influence on young girls.

Yes, Blondie, Quattro, Benatar, Nancy Wilson, Patti Smith, Linda Rondstadt, Melanie, Enya, Jett, Aretha Franklin, Tina Turner, all acted like sexy women without being slutty, empowering women instead of having them look like hookers on stage.

11 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

 

I believe all women found him attractive, not just 13 year olds. Not enough 13 year olds around to turn him into the biggest star of all time

 

I'm sure they did, but not all women fell unconscious at his concerts, bought his records or called incessantly at radio stations to play his records. That was teenagers. And it was the very young teenagers that made Elvis a star.

 

Here's a report on how teenagers behaved at Elvis' concerts:

 

"It is a frightening thing for a man to watch his women debase themselves... [girls who] screamed, and quivered, and shut their eyes and reached out their hands to him as for salvation ...It's hardly original, but if any daughter of mine broke out of the woodshed tonight to see Elvis Presley in Empire Stadium, I'd kick her teeth in.

Herb Rowe wrote in the Miami Daily News on August 4, 1956, that "Elvis can't sing, can't play the guitar, and can't dance. Yet two thousand idiots per show yelp every time he opens his mouth, plucks a guitar string, or shakes his pelvis like any striptease babe in town. What's happening that makes these girls scream, faint, pay lavish devotion for these musicians?""

 

https://www.vox.com/2016/1/28/10815492/teenage-girls-screaming

 

Adults didn't get it, it was teenagers that went wild for him, particularly teenage girls.

 

Of course the emergence of general affluence, allowing girls pocket money to buy records, the emergence of radio, record players and tv played a role as well. But the enablers were teenage girls.

 

It's very similar with Taylor Swift, except the age has lowered to 10, 11 and 12, as these girls now have as much pocket money as the 13.14, 15 year old girls used to get. A large swathe of Taylor Swift's fans are pre-pubescent girls.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

why? what message is she putting out? in her songs or in her interviews? 

i never followed her. 

 

 

No idea who she is either, but this thread reeks of hate. MAGA?

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

One would have to agree, certainly Taylor Swift is not the first in a long, long loooooong line, of ultra slutty female performers who try to sell the fantasy of sex, to then turn around and pretend to be serious "artists".

 

For some reason it did not have the same impact in the past, yes we always had women selling sex in pop, Suzi Quattro, Blondie, etc, but today this has totally taken over. Perhaps it is the overly strong thirst for women, this over valuing of women that make female pop stars rule the pop world today, I don't know, but it certainly was not the case that sex hawkers dominated in the 70s and 80s the way they do today. I suppose Madonna is another example that comes to mind, tell a lie.

 

There can be no doubt that films and music influence people. And especially young people. And Taylor Swift singing about her "very long list of lovers" and all the sex she imagines, well, clearly this does have an influence on young girls.

 

The reason there were fewer women in music back in earlier times was they couldn't break in, were not taken seriously by the industry. Male artist dominated record sales. Generally speaking, men listen to male artists , not so much female artists. Women will listen to both. Female singers started singing about female issues and began to attract a serious following. Attitudes changed and record companies began to see the potential for sales and signed them up. 

2 hours ago, angryguy said:

Is there a worse role model for women than Taylor Swift? 

Lil Tay. 

 

 

 

Just now, BillStrangeOgre said:

 

The reason there were fewer women in music back in earlier times was they couldn't break in, were not taken seriously by the industry. Male artist dominated record sales. Generally speaking, men listen to male artists , not so much female artists. Women will listen to both. Female singers started singing about female issues and began to attract a serious following. Attitudes changed and record companies began to see the potential for sales and signed them up. 

 

Why not? There was Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, Lena Horne, Peggy Lee.

 

Indeed in the PAST men listened to male artists. NOW they listen to female artists.

 

You're probably right though that simple commercial dictates did play a role.

I quite like this song .........

 

6 minutes ago, Peter Crow said:

No idea who she is either, but this thread reeks of hate. MAGA?

No idea who taylor swift is? Jesus youre old

8 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Lil Tay. 

 

 

 

 

It makes your eyes water to see where this is going, Lil Tay and Bonnie Blue, as bad as Taylor Swift is, are a billion times worse than Swift, and probably just as popular.

 

But maybe this will be what it takes, when we see women game the system to earn 2 million Dollars a month by doing gangbangs with 1000 men, or selling their virginity online and marketing the porn video, perhaps men will eventually become so disgusted that they will stop enabling women from playing them sexually. Perhaps. We'll see.

 

But in essence Lil Tay selling her virginity online and Bonnie Blue selling gangbangs with 1000 guys, is no different to what Taylor Swift is doing,in principle, only the extent is somewhat different.

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I'm sure they did, but not all women fell unconscious at his concerts, bought his records or called incessantly at radio stations to play his records. That was teenagers. And it was the very young teenagers that made Elvis a star.

 

Here's a report on how teenagers behaved at Elvis' concerts:

 

"It is a frightening thing for a man to watch his women debase themselves... [girls who] screamed, and quivered, and shut their eyes and reached out their hands to him as for salvation ...It's hardly original, but if any daughter of mine broke out of the woodshed tonight to see Elvis Presley in Empire Stadium, I'd kick her teeth in.

Herb Rowe wrote in the Miami Daily News on August 4, 1956, that "Elvis can't sing, can't play the guitar, and can't dance. Yet two thousand idiots per show yelp every time he opens his mouth, plucks a guitar string, or shakes his pelvis like any striptease babe in town. What's happening that makes these girls scream, faint, pay lavish devotion for these musicians?""

 

https://www.vox.com/2016/1/28/10815492/teenage-girls-screaming

 

Adults didn't get it, it was teenagers that went wild for him, particularly teenage girls.

 

Of course the emergence of general affluence, allowing girls pocket money to buy records, the emergence of radio, record players and tv played a role as well. But the enablers were teenage girls.

 

It's very similar with Taylor Swift, except the age has lowered to 10, 11 and 12, as these girls now have as much pocket money as the 13.14, 15 year old girls used to get. A large swathe of Taylor Swift's fans are pre-pubescent girls.

 

That's your first intelligent post. Proves you're capable of far better than just the ultra conservative rhetoric you've been shilling

24 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Here are some young men expressing their dislike of Taylor Swift's music:

 

!A lot of Taylor Swift songs sound almost the same... her newer songs are all about how she broke up with her latest boyfriend and they can be dreadful to listen to. In almost every new song she rambles on and on about how it was their fault, and that she misses what they have and it’s mentally draining to sit through. "

 

" I’d rather watch paint drying on a 10-hour loop."

 

"I think Taylor Swift is entirely intolerable. I can’t name a song that I would enjoy sitting through. It genuinely irks me when she re-releases the exact same music and makes millions and hits the top charts."

 

https://grcsmokesignals.net/14110/showcase/taylor-swift-is-overrated-and-heres-why/

 

All very young guys, they look 19 tops.

 

So clearly dislike of Taylor Swift is a universal sentiment not tied to age in any way. We've reached "Peak Swift".

 

These 19 year-old incels are simply misogynists-in-waiting.

 

19 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

One would have to agree, certainly Taylor Swift is not the first in a long, long loooooong line, of ultra slutty female performers who try to sell the fantasy of sex, to then turn around and pretend to be serious "artists".

 

For some reason it did not have the same impact in the past, yes we always had women selling sex in pop, Suzi Quattro, Blondie, etc, but today this is totally taken over. Perhaps it is the overly strong thirst for women, this over valuing of women that make female pop stars rule the pop world today, I don't know, but it certainly was not the case that sex hawkers dominated in the 70s and 80s the way they do today. I suppose Madonna is another example that comes to mind, tell a lie.

 

There can be no doubt that films and music influence people. And especially young people. And Taylor Swift singing about her "very long list of lovers" and all the sex she imagines, well, clearly this does have an influence on young girls.

 

Taylor Swift hasn't turned anything around. She's been at the top of her game since the get go.

 

Sounds like you're a James Blunt fan. I heard he's pretty popular with the cucked.

11 minutes ago, Peter Crow said:

No idea who she is either, but this thread reeks of hate. MAGA?

Well had only a mild interest in US politics, until TACO declared war to [what remains of] the free world.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Why not? There was Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, Lena Horne, Peggy Lee.

 

Indeed in the PAST men listened to male artists. NOW they listen to female artists.

 

You're probably right though that simple commercial dictates did play a role.

 

I didn't say there weren't any female artists around, just much fewer back then than male artist. The whole record industry was dominated by men. Artists, producers, engineers, managers, company owners. Not so now, like other fields more diverse. That's a good thing.

 

I still think you'll find men listen mainly to male artists today, just like they gravitate to male authors, male leads in movies etc. 

There are exceptions of course

 

 

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

These 19 year-old incels are simply misogynists-in-waiting.

 

 

Taylor Swift hasn't turned anything around. She's been at the top of her game since the get go.

 

Sounds like you're a James Blunt fan. I heard he's pretty popular with the cucked.

 

These 19 year old boys who expressed intense dislike of Swift's music certainly don't look like incels, but in any event involuntary celibacy is a universal male experience, at some point all men experienced involuntary celibacy, their sexual advances were rebuffed. This happened to all of us, even those of us who are more handsome than most don't always get all the girls we want.

 

Taylor Swift hasn't been at the top of any musical game, her music is insipid and tedious, let's face it, the only reason she sells is because her face is more pleasant than most others. Put Rosie O'Donnel into Taylor Swift's outfits and make her sing those things, I can tell you nobody would buy that music. It's just looks and sex, nothing to do with any vocal or musical accomplishment. Zero.

 

And I loathe James Blut, absolute torture for the ears.

 

 

Talking about a role model. Lets look at Kid Rock, I believe he is a favorite of Trump.  His lyrics at times seem to mirror some of the controversies Trump has been and is involved with. 

 

"Kid Rock wrote the song "Cool, Daddy Cool" which was later used in the 2001 film Osmosis Jones. In the song, Kid Rock said the controversial lyrics "Young ladies, young ladies, I like 'em underage see, Some say that's statutory (But I say it's mandatory)", with Joe C. saying the mandatory.  line.^[92

 

^Wiki. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

 

I didn't say there weren't any female artists around, just much fewer back then than male artist. The whole record industry was dominated by men. Artists, producers, engineers, managers, company owners. Not so now, like other fields more diverse. That's a good thing.

 

I still think you'll find men listen mainly to male artists today, just like they gravitate to male authors, male leads in movies etc. 

There are exceptions of course

 

 

 

I think you're right on the first point. But if the record industry was dominated by men, why wouldn't they be interested in women? They weren't all gay surely?

 

Anyway, women did make it through, and I think you're wrong on the second point, today men listen mainly to female artists, there's just too many of them now, it has to be men who are listening to Taylor Swift as well, and Lil Kim, and Katy Perry and Olivia Rodrigo. etc etc.

 

The reason is probably that it's a more visual age. A guy like Christopher Cross with his superb music could never make it today because he looked like the Pilsbury doughboy. Women are just more visually appealing.

 

 

Just now, marin said:

Talking about a role model. Lets look at Kid Rock, I believe he is a favorite of Trump.  His lyrics at times seem to mirror some of the controversies Trump has been and is involved with. 

 

"Kid Rock wrote the song "Cool, Daddy Cool" which was later used in the 2001 film Osmosis Jones. In the song, Kid Rock said the controversial lyrics "Young ladies, young ladies, I like 'em underage see, Some say that's statutory (But I say it's mandatory)", with Joe C. saying the mandatory.  line.^[92

 

^Wiki. 

 

 

 

A great line, but actually Kid Rock's music has some exceptionally thoughtful lyrics.

 

Only God knows why has very good lyrics indeed.

People in the industry, the promoters, have always been sitting back and watching what sells, and not just what is good musicianship. There are many artists that all sound alike but certain ones, form their opinions, get the top billing.

 

There are many excellent musicians, especially in the progressive rock genre, that many people will never get to hear, as they aren't ever on radio stations besides some indies.The major stations continually play the same old things, over and over, because they're told to, even though there are countless people out there who have bought the records, and then 8- tracks, cassettes, and cd's, that know the other songs on the album, many of them better than the singles that are what promotes the band.

 

Most music is catered to teens, as they're the ones who will buy, with their parents money, the music. This is why so many pop stars, who's music is blase , pap, soulless crapola, but has sounds people, those teens, can move and dance to, sells millions, while there are many excellent bands that take quite awhile to get noticed. This was a very major point before Youtube and other platforms came around, where you can listen to a song by an artist, and other artists of the same genre will pop up.

 

Taylor Swift sounds just like many other pop stars before her, and sells millions for the exact same reasons the others did before her. The shows are what makes sales happen even more. If there weren't concerts and only radio now, and they played the better music, most of these millionaire pop stars would never sell near what they do. All about promotion and who's doing it.

 

REO Speedwagon, a group of excellent musicians (all of them), took a long time, releasing many albums, before they exploded with Hi Infidelity, which is an okay album but more pop oriented then their previous releases. Their Nine Lives was the heaviest album they made, and the early albums were excellent, with Mike Murphy singing before Kevin Cronin, who was there early on but left and came back, but that Hi Infidelity album made them stars to the general public, with a few hit singles. They were promoted, finally, to the American public, and that made them millionaires. 

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

These 19 year old boys who expressed intense dislike of Swift's music certainly don't look like incels, but in any event involuntary celibacy is a universal male experience, at some point all men experienced involuntary celibacy, their sexual advances were rebuffed. This happened to all of us, even those of us who are more handsome than most don't always get all the girls we want.

 

Taylor Swift hasn't been at the top of any musical game, her music is insipid and tedious, let's face it, the only reason she sells is because her face is more pleasant than most others. Put Rosie O'Donnel into Taylor Swift's outfits and make her sing those things, I can tell you nobody would buy that music. It's just looks and sex, nothing to do with any vocal or musical accomplishment. Zero.

 

And I loathe James Blut, absolute torture for the ears.

 

 

 

Since television and the death of the radio image has mattered. Visual appearance, being attractive sells. In fact it sells anything. This is not particular to Taylor Swift. 

I said previously, writing hit records is not easy. Certainly not writing as many as she has. Not my kind of music I admit but her songs have melody and interesting lyrics, even if you don't like them. 

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Taylor Swift sounds just like many other pop stars before her, and sells millions for the exact same reasons the others did before her.

 

Very much so, Swift's music is derivative, middle of the road and nothing special at all about her voice, musical ability or dancing (good Lord).

 

I think the reason Swift became so popular is simply her pretty face, way back when she was a young girl and not the used up, well pumped cum dump she is today, people bought into her attractive appearance. Thatt's all.

 

A clue that it's looks that make Swift successful is that while her sex selling is blatant, it's not as ourageous as some of the more ugly girls, like Lady Gaga, who have to go all out when they sell sex. Because they're not as pretty.

11 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

 

I didn't say there weren't any female artists around, just much fewer back then than male artist. The whole record industry was dominated by men. Artists, producers, engineers, managers, company owners. Not so now, like other fields more diverse. That's a good thing.

 

I still think you'll find men listen mainly to male artists today, just like they gravitate to male authors, male leads in movies etc. 

There are exceptions of course

 

 

The more you're into good music, the more you'll be open to the female bands. Men like men singers, especially in rock or harder music,  because they can relate to them, and females weren't as popular before. I've always been really into music and sought out all forms, including the female fronted bands. I still see the male ones as the best, a lot because of the guitarists,  but many females can rock, and even in metal and progressive metal, symphonic metal and doom genres. I grew up listening to first Classical, then R&B, which was huge in the NYC area I lived in, so female fronted music was always what I included in my listening.