47 minutes ago, Wingate said:

Well, we know that in MAGAstan trying to hang the Vice President,

 

Is the VP under 3' tall?  Did you ever notice that the MSM always shows the gallows as full sized, and not the real Barbie and Ken Activist Adventure Series size?

 

 

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Those idiots were arrested and convicted, and rightly so. Now how about the Salami Slasher?

You left out the most important part:

"Those idiots were arrested and convicted, and rightly so."

THEN they were pardoned. Selective amnesia?

18 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

You left out the most important part:

"Those idiots were arrested and convicted, and rightly so."

THEN they were pardoned. Selective amnesia?

Not at all. They served a fair amount if time before pardoning, no?

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions

 

What is the difference between a commutation of sentence and a pardon?

 

In the federal system, commutation of sentence and pardon are different forms of executive clemency, which is a broad term that applies to the President’s constitutional power to give leniency to persons who have committed federal crimes.

 

A commutation of sentence reduces a sentence, either totally or partially, that is then being served, but it does not change the fact of conviction, imply innocence, or remove civil disabilities that apply to the convicted person as a result of the criminal conviction. 

 

A pardon is an expression of the President’s forgiveness and can be granted in recognition of the applicant’s acceptance of responsibility for the crime and established good conduct for a significant period of time after conviction or completion of sentence. It does not signify innocence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Crying shame the guy wasn't halfway through a taco at the time.

2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

Maybe AG Bondi's X 'DEEP STATE' post AUG 14 is enough to warrant malicious prosecution

It's great to see one man at the Department of Justice taking his job seriously.
If everyone there was so conscientous, they might be renamed Hero Sandwiches

So assault is now officially legal in Washington.

 

Time to send in the troops again.

 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

So assault is now officially legal in Washington.

If they change the definition of assault so that it does not require intent on bodily harm   -- which is reported as top why Mr. Dunn was not convicted of assault misdemeanor.

 

but I haven't read the transcript.

 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

If they change the definition of assault so that it does not require intent on bodily harm   -- which is reported as top why Mr. Dunn was not convicted of assault misdemeanor

 

I'm glad you clarified that, I was wondering how you don't get convicted for assault by throwing a hard object at someone.

 

Surely that intent flows from the act, anyone hit with a large and hard object would suffer bodily harm. How  there could not have been intent to cause bodily harm is hard to fathom.

 

Disgraceful miscarriage of justice.

46 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Not at all. They served a fair amount if time before pardoning, no?

No NOT a "fair" amount of time. That's determined by the courts.

C'mon, you know better than that.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Disgraceful miscarriage of justice.

It would have been better for the Bondi/Pirro team if they could've proved that -- when Mr.  Dunn went into Subway shop to buy the salami sub -- he asked:

 

"Which sub on your menu would cause the most pain if thrown from a one meter distance?

On 8/28/2025 at 3:19 AM, bamnutsak said:

Apparently, Jenine Piro cannot indict a ham sandwich.

 

 

 

She probably would be able to in Saudi, maybe DT should give her a letter of introduction and send her there.

 

6 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

It would have been better for the Bondi/Pirro team if they could've proved that -- when Mr.  Dunn went into Subway shop to buy the salami sub -- he asked:

 

"Which sub on your menu would cause the most pain if thrown from a one meter distance?

Clearly, a toasted sub would have proven intent to injure. Either from the crusty texture, or the potential of crumbs getting in the eyes/throat.

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Now he'll sue to get his job back, and win. Then he can resign and keep his pension and benefits.

 

Trump's AG and DOJ...Barnum & Baileys and Ringling Brothers are back.

.

No.

The  employment agreement  will most likely have a good behaviour condition. Most everyone who has an employment agreement will have the conditions. Although throwing a sandwich at someone may not have been considered a criminal offence, it will most likely meet the the threshold for good conduct. It can be considered workplace misconduct if done  in the workplace, but this event occurred outside of a latin bodago night club and Mr. Dunn was not at work. (Hopefully not in that  pink outfit. He looked like he was  trying to impersonate Jimmy Somerville of Bronski Beat.)

 

Federal pension vests after 5 years, so he would have had to have been there 5 years and a full time employee, not a contract worker.  Even if  an employee for 10 years,  his pension wouldn't be that much so it is doubtful he would be inflicting pain on anyone.

 

And no, I am not excusing this criminal charge. Of course it was doomed to failure. I think this was meant more to intimidate people and to show support for the  immigration agents. A sensible prosecutor would have declined to file criminal charges and just handled this with a disorderly conduct or a littering ticket and a requirement to pay the cleaning bills. The agent was not harmed, nor was he  too upset as it was treated a bit of a farce.

 

In the initial court proceedings, the victim, Agent Lairmore, testified  that he could feel the sandwich impact through his ballistic vest. “It kind of exploded all over,” the agent told the jury. “You could smell the onions and the mustard.” Lairmore also found onions strewn on his police radio, and his shirt was stained yellow from mustard, he claimed.

The incident became a joke with Lairmore and his co-workers, who gifted him a “felony footlong” patch and a plush sandwich, which the agent displayed “on top of my shelf in the office,” he told jurors.

 

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Clearly, a toasted sub would have proven intent to injure. Either from the crusty texture, or the potential of crumbs getting in the eyes/throat.

Dunn 's lawyers asked why if there was such injury -- the officer in question keeps a rubber sub sandwich replica on his desk?

 

(As also noted above.)

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Not a great example. She was driving a car she had no right to drive. Photographed license plates of undercover agents' cars, which can put them in danger. Otherwise, why would she want that information?

She was also accused of driving dangerously in her attempt to "dox" the agents. What a moron.

 

  As you have pointed out, it's actually a great example of ICE overstepping their "regulations", as you put it.

 

  What does "driving a car you have no right to drive" have to do with Immigration or Customs - oh wait, do you think she imported the car without paying tax?  Perhaps the camera was smuggled across the border, lol?

 

  Despite what the Make Americans Goobers Again sycophants would like us to believe, ICE is not the local police and whether ICE likes it or not there is no law against photography in public spaces.

 

  But as we've seen - time and again - the Make Americans Goobers Again morons support masked unaccountable armed thugs who assault American citizens illegally and then try to blame it on the American citizen.  Pitiful and pathetic but par for the course for this Administration.

 

  

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30 minutes ago, bendejo said:

 

She probably would be able to in Saudi, maybe DT should give her a letter of introduction and send her there.

 

Being in possession of pork products is probably a criminal offense there. Using them in a case of assault is probably a capital crime.

3 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

Maybe AG Bondi's X 'DEEP STATE' post AUG 14 is enough to warrant malicious prosecution

So Bondi has been up against the deep state of ham sandwiches for 7 months or is it all sandwiches?  Does the wide variety of the choices of condiment combinations confuse the ability to effective resolved the deep state problem ?

49 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

It would have been better for the Bondi/Pirro team if they could've proved that -- when Mr.  Dunn went into Subway shop to buy the salami sub -- he asked:

 

"Which sub on your menu would cause the most pain if thrown from a one meter distance?

 

Yes, indeed, but maybe that won't be necessary. Have they checked his mortgage application record?

 

Taxes?

10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, indeed, but maybe that won't be necessary. Have they checked his mortgage application record?

 

Taxes?

Don't know. But -- 

 

(Border Patrol Officer Greg} Lairmore had testified that the sandwich “exploded all over” his chest and claimed he could smell mustard and onions. But a photo showed that the sandwich was still in its wrapper on the ground after it hit Lairmore in his bulletproof vest.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/dc-sandwich-guy-verdict-rcna242142

 

So maybe a perjury charge??

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

But a photo showed that the sandwich was still in its wrapper on the ground after it hit Lairmore

 

Which of course makes it more dangerous, as a tightly bound sandwich has more concentrated mass and thus greater force on impact.

 

Lucky Lairmore had the foresight to be suitably protected or he could  have sustained serious injury.

 

I don't see how some minor hyperbole could warrant a perjury charge, surely given the life-threatening stress of the situation his perception must have been skewed?

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I don't see how some minor hyperbole could warrant a perjury charge, surely given the life-threatening stress of the situation his perception must have been skewed?

He wasn't under stress when he testified in court.

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

He wasn't under stress when he testified in court.

 

Yes, but his recollection referred to the time he was subjected to the vicious assault so understandably give the stress he was under he may have misinterpreted some of his traumatic memories.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, but his recollection referred to the time he was subjected to the vicious assault so understandably give the stress he was under he may have misinterpreted some of his traumatic memories.

Oh has he applied for Ppost traumatic stress benefits?

Just now, jerrymahoney said:

Oh has he applied for Ppost traumatic stress benefits?

 

Let's hope so, perhaps he can get some MDMA to help him cope with this traumatic incident.

Right now the only trauma is upon Ms. Bondi and Ms. Pirro for over-dramatizing this whole thing at the onset.

 

In a video posted on X * , Pirro said Dunn “thought it was funny.”

 

“Well, he doesn't think it's funny today, because we charged him with a felony assault on a police officer, and we're gonna back the police to the hilt, so there!” she added. “Stick your Subway sandwich somewhere else."

 

* Thursday 14 August 

Oh I think Lairmore suffered real trauma.

 

"He added that he had been the butt of jokes by colleagues ever since. He was also gifted a toy sandwich with a patch reading, "felony footlong"."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ypvv8n1jvo

 

The full psychological ramifications of this assault are not yet clear.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

The full psychological ramifications of this assault are not yet clear.

I'll wait for the transcript

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Assault with a tasty weapon? 

Assault with a breadly weapon?

I'll get my coat.