1 hour ago, TedG said:

 

 

From your link

 

Polio was not simply a contagious virus attacking at random -- it was frequently a byproduct of industrial toxins (like pesticides such as DDT and arsenic) and other environmental factors, not a germ magically vanquished by a shot.

 

Polio was identified in 1840.  DDT was first synthesized in 1874, and did not see wide use until 1939.  The timeline does not match. 

 

Stiddle's 'facts' never do...    

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Middle's 'facts' never do...    

it’s like a conversation with my cat.

6 hours ago, BeastOfBodmin said:

On 9/8/2025 at 7:00 AM, simon43 said:

One of the few places where polio still exists is in backward, goat-shagging regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan, where Muslim village leaders  deny access to nurses to enter villages to vaccinate the kids against polio because ....... (well I don't know why - perhaps these men have been brainwashed by Red Phoenix's posts....after all, if these men are sharing only 1 brain cell between them, then thats a possibility!)

Can it be spread through goats?

 

Nature has the answers - We'll have to ask Stiddle for his experience on that....  

11 hours ago, Liquorice said:

The quality of the argument is immaterial, if it's fictitious and can't be substantiated.
The scientific arguments disprove some of your conspiracy theories, yet you choose to ignore it.

Did you actually read the article?  The author did make a strong case for his argument.  

But you did chose the 'smear the messenger' route, and are now attempting to wriggle out of it.  

Case closed.  

Excellent article.  This polio article even went more in depth than the antivaccination books did.  The author conducted a great deal of research to reach his conclusions.

 

Whenever there is a consensus of opinion by experts or intolerance for a dissenting opinion, that is the exact point to investigate further.  It means a gigantic scam is playing out.

 

Our experts are frauds.  And those brainwashed by their medical god with wild, prepostorous theories have become slobering imbeciles incapabable of reading an article or forming a cogent thought.

On 9/8/2025 at 9:23 AM, Will B Good said:

Does anyone know how people contracted polio BEFORE DDT came into use?

 

By the early 1900s, polio epidemics became regular in Europe and North America, especially in summer months.

•  At its peak in the 1940s–50s, polio paralyzed or killed over 500,000 people annually worldwide B.

•  Famous survivors include:

  ⁠◦  Franklin D. Roosevelt, U.S. President, paralyzed from the waist down in 1921.

  ⁠◦  Wilma Rudolph, Olympic sprinter, who overcame childhood polio to win gold medals.

It's clear that you didn't read the article when asking that question. 

 

"Take the first U.S. polio outbreaks in the 1890s. These coincided with the introduction of lead-arsenate insecticides in agriculture. An arsenic-based pesticide called Paris Green had come into use against infestations (e.g. the gypsy moth), until it was found too phytotoxic; it was then replaced by lead arsenate around 1892-1893. "Coincidentally, the first outbreak of paralysis in the U.S. in over 50 years occurred in Boston during this time," one historical review notes." 

3 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

It's clear that you didn't read the article when asking that question. 

 

"Take the first U.S. polio outbreaks in the 1890s. These coincided with the introduction of lead-arsenate insecticides in agriculture. An arsenic-based pesticide called Paris Green had come into use against infestations (e.g. the gypsy moth), until it was found too phytotoxic; it was then replaced by lead arsenate around 1892-1893. "Coincidentally, the first outbreak of paralysis in the U.S. in over 50 years occurred in Boston during this time," one historical review notes." 

 

 

And don't say polio only started at a time that suits your notion it's only due to chemicals and bad vapours......

 

 

 

On 9/9/2025 at 7:13 AM, Purdey said:

I can only write from experience. When I was a kid, the whole school (i.e. individuals who had not been vaccinated before) was given a cube of sugar each with a drop of the vaccine on it. It was great! Not a single child ever caught polio, and I never met anyone but one university friend who had a withered leg from polio. He had lived in Africa.

It is so daft to announce that the polio vaccine doesn't work when millions are living proof that it does. 

 

Oh yes, the polio vaccine DOES work, but not in the way that you think. 

Here a small excerpt from the article, which you quite obviously didn't read. 

 

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All this led Dr. T. Jacob John, one of India's most renowned polio experts, to dub this the OPV's "dirty secret." As he told Down To Earth magazine, OPV viruses are "notorious for causing vaccine-induced polio... they can mutate into a virulent form, causing paralytic polio in others, even leading to polio epidemics."^57,58 The response of authorities when Indian doctors reported these problems? "They were asked to increase the number of doses given to children."^59,60 Just give more vaccine -- essentially doubling down on a failing strategy.

"Those vaccinated are 6.26 times more likely to be paralysed." -- Finding of Indian pediatricians on aggressive OPV campaigns^61,62

The OPV paradox is now fully acknowledged by scientists (if not by politicians like Trump). A 2007 article co-authored by leading virologist Dr. Olen Kew at WHO bluntly stated: "Once wild poliovirus transmission has been interrupted by OPV, the very tool responsible...poses challenges" due to VAPP and VDPV risk⁷⁷. In 2019, an AP report noted that vaccine-strain outbreaks in Africa were outpacing wild outbreaks, calling it "an unexpected setback" for eradication⁷⁶.

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3 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

And don't say polio only started at a time that suits your notion it's only due to chemicals and bad vapours......

 

 

 

 

Nope, the prime drivers for polio are poor sanitation and nutrition.  

But obviously a toxic environment, will also contribute to outbreaks.  

 

Excerpt from the article:

• Sanitation and nutrition still lag in key areas. Polio (and its analogues) are fundamentally diseases of poverty and poor sanitation. The virus spreads via fecal-oral routes, flourishing where clean water and sewage treatment are absent. In the 1950s West, polio's fade coincided with improved hygiene and living conditions -- even before vaccines. Today, Afghanistan, Pakistan, parts of Africa -- the last holdouts of wild polio -- are regions where conflict and poverty prevent consistent sanitation or basic healthcare. As Dr. Anant Phadke and Dr. C. Sathyamala argued, "it is not possible to eradicate polio, a disease primarily of poor sanitation and nutrition, with a vaccine."⁶⁸ A "holistic approach" of development was needed, but the eradication program fixated on OPV drops instead⁶⁹. Even if they manage to snuff out wild polio in these areas, the conditions are ripe for some pathogen to cause similar paralysis -- be it a vaccine-derived strain, or some enterovirus, or something yet unknown. Without addressing root causes (clean water, nutrition, exposure to toxins), eradication is a fool's errand.

27 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

And don't say polio only started at a time that suits your notion it's only due to chemicals and bad vapours.

Polio symptoms have always been with us. And still are. Well known that Piolo vaccines came on the scene a couple of years after the use of DDT was lessened in the US. Although not completely banned until 20 years later.

 

Definitions have changed. Especially during the 1950s.