10 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Nobody forced the college kid to debate him.  He takes volunteers from the audience. 

 

Congratulations for missing the point. Do I really have to explain why your comment is so irrelevant?

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

First off, despite your stating as fact about why investigators recommended caution about the factuality of those engraving, I prefer to stick with the confirmed facts.

Second, yes, he left bullets with those inscriptions. 

A field guide to ‘accelerationism’: White supremacist groups using violence to spur race war and create social chaos 

In my research on right-wing extremism over 30 years, a disturbing pattern has emerged: White supremacists and white nationalists are increasingly willing to use violence targeting critical infrastructure in an effort to destabilize society.

Since the Ku Klux Klan’s resurgence in 1915, white supremacists have pushed for white control of society. In particular, white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups have long advocated violence to establish a white ethnostate, a proposed political entity or nation-state where residency and citizenship are exclusively limited to whites.

In the past several years, extremists have started using the term “accelerationism” to describe their desire to create social chaos and societal collapse that leads to a race war and the destruction of liberal democratic systems, paving the way for a white ethnostate. 

https://theconversation.com/a-field-guide-to-accelerationism-white-supremacist-groups-using-violence-to-spur-race-war-and-create-social-chaos-255699

 

Oh please. 

 

Talk about desperate.

25 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

 

This is Charlie Kirk in action. This is why he was really killed. His Socratic method exposed the lies of the left. They had no answer.

He was just pointing out things that are true, to a black man, saying blacks have the same chances that anyone else does in America, and the reason many get in trouble is their own choices.

 

His method might seem harsh to some, but pointing out the truth isn't a wrong thing to do but necessary. Some are in denial to the truth, and will be blind to things their side does, all because their leader did something that impacted their life in a positive way. 

 

Kirk wasn't killed because of this kind of speaking but by a white man that hated him, or his side, because he was a Trump supporter. A mentally ill person that took to murder just because he was on one side and what he believed in. Freedom of speech is allowed in America, and those who go to this extreme are sociopaths, thinking their side is right and the other side, or anyone they disagree with, needs to be eliminated. Or, he was paid to do this, which we'll find out eventually, maybe.

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

Oh please. 

 

Talk about desperate.

On the off chance the guy is captured and investigators determine he's an extreme right winger, would you be willing to accept that?

Just now, Alan Zweibel said:

On the off chance the guy is captured and investigators determine he's an extreme right winger, would you be willing to accept that?

 

Please stop your ludicrous obfuscation.

 

The perrpetrator is very clearly an ANTIFA and LGBT supporter of the left.

 

There's absolutely no doubt about this.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Lol, yes it's a giant conspiracy by the Proud Boys. They cloned a very slim guy who looks like ANTIFA, dressed him all in black, who's college age too of coursse, then went through the trouble of engraving bullets with LGBT and anti-fascist messages to do a Gleiwitz style false flag assassination..

 

OR

 

The young slim guy of college age is a real ANTIFA nutcase who put  ANTIFA and LGBT messages on the bullets because he really is an ANTIFA nutcase who wanted to rubout a star of the right...

 

Hmmmmm, yeah, it's a tough one Chomper, isn't it?

 

 

Unlike you I don’t assign guilt to anyone.

 

I recommend you stop posting your ‘evidence’ and go claim your $100,000 before someone else steals your investigation findings and gets the bounty that belongs to you.

 

The code phrase when claiming the bounty is 

 

‘You’re Lobby Lud’.

 

 

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

He was just pointing out things that are true, to a black man, saying blacks have the same chances that anyone else does in America, and the reason many get in trouble is their own choices.

 

His method might seem harsh to some, but pointing out the truth isn't a wrong thing to do but necessary. Some are in denial to the truth, and will be blind to things their side does, all because their leader did something that impacted their life in a positive way. 

 

Kirk wasn't killed because of this kind of speaking but by a white man that hated him, or his side, because he was a Trump supporter. A mentally ill person that took to murder just because he was on one side and what he believed in. Freedom of speech is allowed in America, and those who go to this extreme are sociopaths, thinking their side is right and the other side, or anyone they disagree with, needs to be eliminated. 

 

His killer would have seen exchanges like this, where Charlie Kirk persuaded by the sheer force of his words, and the left had no answer.

 

That's why the killer got obsessed with him, fantasized about killing him, making him disappear.

 

Charlie Kirk destroyed their fantasy left-wing world. And that's why he had to die.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Unlike you I don’t assign guilt to anyone.

 

Of course not, especially not to an ANTIFA left wing nut, who put LGBT and ANTIFA messages on his bullets before he killed a man.

 

Yiou would never assign guilt to a leftist like this, would you?

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Please stop your ludicrous obfuscation.

 

The perrpetrator is very clearly an ANTIFA and LGBT supporter of the left.

 

There's absolutely no doubt about this.

Well, if the premise is certainly false, it's clear why you won't offer a yes or no.

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The bullet struck the bullet proof vest over Kirk’s chest then ricocheted to strike his neck.

 

Bullet proof vests do not "deflect" bullets.

 

They absorb them and spread the energy across a wider area.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

He was just pointing out things that are true, to a black man, saying blacks have the same chances that anyone else does in America, and the reason many get in trouble is their own choices.

 

His method might seem harsh to some, but pointing out the truth isn't a wrong thing to do but necessary. Some are in denial to the truth, and will be blind to things their side does, all because their leader did something that impacted their life in a positive way. 

 

Kirk wasn't killed because of this kind of speaking but by a white man that hated him, or his side, because he was a Trump supporter. A mentally ill person that took to murder just because he was on one side and what he believed in. Freedom of speech is allowed in America, and those who go to this extreme are sociopaths, thinking their side is right and the other side, or anyone they disagree with, needs to be eliminated. 

 

Wow.......what a contrast to some of your more intelligent posts......this is unbelievable tripe and you should be ashamed.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

His killer would have seen exchanges like this, where Charlie Kirk persuaded by the sheer force of his words, and the left had no answer.

 

That's why the killer got obsessed with him, fantasized about killing him, making him disappear.

 

Charlie Kirk destroyed their fantasy left-wing world. And that's why he had to die.

You really should be putting your mind reading powers at the disposal of the government.. First you read the minds of investigators as to why they are urging caution on the engraving issue, and now you're reading the mind of the assassin. Amazing!

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

Wow.......what a contrast to some of your more intelligent posts......this is unbelievable tripe and you should be ashamed.

 

You should be ashamed for attacking such a cogent and articulate contribution with vitriol, just because he chose not to follow your leftist dogma.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

His killer would have seen exchanges like this, where Charlie Kirk persuaded by the sheer force of his words, and the left had no answer.

 

That's why the killer got obsessed with him, fantasized about killing him, making him disappear.

 

Charlie Kirk destroyed their fantasy left-wing world. And that's why he had to die.

 

Yep.

 

First the extreme left try to silence you. Because if you are allowed to speak you can disprove their silly little fantasies.

 

If they cannot silence you, they kill you.

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Bullet proof vests do not "deflect" bullets.

 

They absorb them and spread the energy across a wider area.

 

https://www.cnbulletproof.com/blog/can-a-bulletproof-vest-stop-all-types-of-bullets-351612.html

Angle Of Impact

The angle at which a bullet hits the vest can also affect its performance. A bullet that strikes the vest at a perpendicular angle is more likely to be stopped than one that hits at an oblique angle. An oblique impact can cause the bullet to ricochet or slide along the surface of the vest, increasing the chances of penetration.

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You really should be putting your mind reading powers at the disposal of the government.. First you read the minds of investigators as to why they are urging caution on the engraving issue, and now you're reading the mind of the assassin. Amazing!

 

Not really, it's what this FBI profiler said, who also profiled the Unabomber:

 

 

16 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Just written as much on another thread......all that planning, clean escape and......whoops left a load of potential evidence to help narrow the search down.

 

 

That's assuming it wasn't planted of course.......but I guess that is unheard of the good old US of A.

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

https://www.cnbulletproof.com/blog/can-a-bulletproof-vest-stop-all-types-of-bullets-351612.html

Angle Of Impact

The angle at which a bullet hits the vest can also affect its performance. A bullet that strikes the vest at a perpendicular angle is more likely to be stopped than one that hits at an oblique angle. An oblique impact can cause the bullet to ricochet or slide along the surface of the vest, increasing the chances of penetration.

 

So you think this "expert killer" who deliberately left inscribed gun casings behind to hide the fact he was actually far right, shot at the vest at an oblique angle, so it would ricochet up to the neck? 😃

 

I bet he's a good billiards player. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

That's assuming it wasn't planted of course.......but I guess that is unheard of the good old US of A.

 

You've watched too many Blacklist epsides...Try watching less TV.

On 9/11/2025 at 6:11 AM, theblether said:

 

I'll tell you something. If the midterms were this November it would be 280/155 Republican. 

 

At least. This is a watershed moment. I am not exaggerating- while not on the scale of a Presidential assassination - this is in the same calibre as Bobby Kennedy. 

 

A generational mistake by the left. 

As they don't seem to have a credible suspect yet, pray tell why you're so certain this murder is "a generational mistake by the left". You might want to wait until more is known before pronouncing this the world the so called "radical left". 

8 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Wow.......what a contrast to some of your more intelligent posts......this is unbelievable tripe and you should be ashamed.

No, actually it's rather right on, as there are only a few reasons people kill others, which I've mentioned, and this is likely a political one, which it appears to be, so there are reasons for that I mentioned also. In that video, if you watch all of it, he is surely pointing out facts. People commit crimes because they choose to. Until we see the whole story, what other explanation is there for why he killed him?

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

So you think this "expert killer" who deliberately left inscribed gun casings behind to hide the fact he was actually far right, shot at the vest at an oblique angle, so it would ricochet up to the neck? 😃

 

I bet he's a good billiards player. 

 

 

 

No....I was just correcting you on the matter of bullets potentially ricocheting of bullet proof vests.

 

I wonder if the shooter knew or even thought he might be wearing a bullet proof vest.

 

Had the bullet hit him square on the chest I assume he stood a good chance of surviving.

 

There is still no firm evidence where the bullet struck, so it's all conjecture anyway.

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The bullet struck the bullet proof vest over Kirk’s chest then ricocheted to strike his neck.

 

Is it common these days for influencers to wear a bullet proof vest..................or only those that are spreading hate speech?

1 minute ago, b17 said:

As they don't seem to have a credible suspect yet, pray tell why you're so certain this murder is "a generational mistake by the left". You might want to wait until more is known before pronouncing this the world the so called "radical left". 

 

Maybe you should follow the news:

 

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

No, actually it's rather right on, as there are only a few reasons people kill others, which I've mentioned, and this is likely a political one, which it appears to be, so there are reasons for that I mentioned also. In that video, if you watch all of it, he is surely pointing out facts. People commit crimes because they choose to. Until we see the whole story, what other explanation is there for why he killed him?

 

Blacks have the same chances?

He was killed because he was a Trump supporter?

He was mentally ill?

 

How do you know all this?

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

Blacks have the same chances?

He was killed because he was a Trump supporter?

He was mentally ill?

 

How do you know all this?

 

Lol, the left are trying to obfuscate. THEY KNOW it was an ANTIFA and LGBT supporter who killed Kirk.

 

They know.

 

They just want to obfuscate.

 

Bullets are found with ANTIFA and LGBT messages, yet they still pretend it's not an ANTIFA and LGBT supporter who killed Charlie Kirk. You can't make it up.

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

No....I was just correcting you on the matter of bullets potentially ricocheting of bullet proof vests.

 

I wonder if the shooter knew or even thought he might be wearing a bullet proof vest.

 

Had the bullet hit him square on the chest I assume he stood a good chance of surviving.

 

There is still no firm evidence where the bullet struck, so it's all conjecture anyway.

 

Yes it is possible. Unlikely but possible. 

 

But you are claiming this guy was so good that he couldn't possibly leave evidence behind by accident. 

 

At the same time, you are saying the bullet actually hit the bullet proof vest and it was a sheer fluke that it ricoched up to the neck. 

 

Make your mind up. 

23 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

His killer would have seen exchanges like this, where Charlie Kirk persuaded by the sheer force of his words, and the left had no answer.

 

That's why the killer got obsessed with him, fantasized about killing him, making him disappear.

 

Charlie Kirk destroyed their fantasy left-wing world. And that's why he had to die.

No one here knows why he killed him, yet, so we can only go by what evidence there is now. How this person thinks is unknown, or if he was working alone, was paid, or was just a nut trying to make the other side look bad by planting things for others to find. This was obviously planned, and if he left the gun, he surely knew they would use that against him eventually, along with anything else he left. It could have been a last minute thing, where he luckily got away with being on that roof without being seen, and after he ran, left the gun and panicked because he didn't want to be caught with that evidence. Was there serial numbers on the gun? Many questions not answered . Yet.

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

Lol, the left are trying to obfuscate. THEY KNOW it was an ANTIFA and LGBT supporter who killed Kirk.

 

They know.

 

They just want to obfuscate.

 

Yeah I really don't know why they are doing it.

 

It's so obviously an extreme left activist, and they are going to look even more ridiculous when they catch the guy. 

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yes it is possible. Unlikely but possible. 

 

But you are claiming this guy was so good that he couldn't possibly leave evidence behind by accident. 

 

At the same time, you are saying the bullet actually hit the bullet proof vest and it was a sheer fluke that it ricoched up to the neck. 

 

Make your mind up. 

 

It's all nonsense, they're just trying to obfuscate. They know perfectly well the killer is an ANTIFA and LGBT supporter.

 

It's purely obfuscation.