10 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I don't think you fully get it Sir. A tree is nature. A wasp is nature. a human is nature. Everything, we have - yes everything, from a spud to a car - comes from nature.

 

Our body is a wonderful bit of kit. It looks after us (itself) all the time. It is not in its interest to deliberately cause self harm. It, as with everything else in nature, relies on two fundamental things; survival and reproduction.

 

We are born healthy and will remain that way until the body fails to replenish itself some years later. Man has intervened, and decided that nature cannot be trusted in keeping us healthy. So! Here's the kicker. It was realised some 120+ years ago that money, big money, could be made from cutting out nature, and installing a dollar based health system. The major culprit was Rockefeller (there were others). He saw that money could compromise the true beliefs of white-coats. Money poured into Medical Establishments and Universities, and natural medicine was basically stamped to death. We have gradually worsened since those times.

 

As humans, we are a mix of the chemical and electrical. Water is the main constituent in our bodies, and it is water, that we rely on to keep ourselves in balance; in optimal health. So what sends us out of balance? Mostly, it is man-made stuff. Poor nutrition, unclean water, toxicity, medical interventions and fear. We have also disregarded the our body's ability to self-heal. And this self-healing is nature at work. Unfortunately, it has been replaced with medicines, and medical interventions, that stop the self-healing, and create problems for the body's future well-being.

 

To return to the OP; although the above is intrinsically related. Science starts with a Thought. Advances into an Idea. That idea is promoted to a Hypothesis. Through thought and experimentation it then morphs into a Theory. The theory undergoes scrutiny. Is the theory true or false? Can it be both? Well! The virologists would have us believe that a virus, they can't isolate and purify, can be shown to cause disease. This is IMO is nonsense. It goes against the very essence of nature, and is certainly anti-science. And relegates the 'Germ Theory' to that of a Hypothesis.

 

I say (although there are many other things too technical for this thread).

 

So! Let's get to it.

 

#1 - There is no such thing as apathogenic virus in nature.

#2 - Diseases do not exist as we are told they do.

#3 - A sickness cannot be passed from a sick person to a healthy one.

#4 - The body will self-heal if given the tools. 

 

In fact to, #4, that is happening 24/7/365 to all of us.

 

Let's debate. I'm quite willing to expand any of the above is you are still unsure Sir.

Appreciate the response. 

Bill Maher interviewed neuroscientist Bill Huberman he said words to the effect that we only know 10 per cent about how the body works. Poor nutrition and toxins no doubt play a role in resilience and poor health. Good health makes us more resilient. There is no doubt a lot more to work out and understand. 

But it reminds me of the god thread where it was up to the person having theories of god to provide evidence or admit it is based on faith.

History does indicate of course illness and disease is everywhere, at the time people relied on natural cures, well before the rise of some capitalist abusers of the 20th century. 

Current evidence indicate bacteria and viruses cause the damage mainly as compared to real toxins like pfas and so far imagined toxins such as 5G.

I am not a scientist to go in deeply into your 4 points but all I can say is that saying nature has the answers, i.e. self healing if given the tools - by the way what are the tools if not medicine? ,  isn't borne out by my life experience or historical and scientific evidence at this stage. You might say - I think there is more to health than we know - and doctors can't universally be trusted - but if your theories are correct then they should of course be provable - in the mean time one cannot  rely on what can seem like a  vague notion of nature. 

4 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

A LOT of common drugs are composed entirely of substances found in Nature.  It's time you seriously reviewed the truth about drugs in common use:

 

AI says:

 

A complete list of 100 common drugs entirely based on natural substances, including those now manufactured synthetically, is not feasible for an AI to generate definitively. This is due to several factors, including the proprietary nature of pharmaceutical research, the continuous evolution of drug discovery, and the extensive history of ethnobotanical and microbiological medicine. However, a substantial list of well-known examples can be compiled from available information. 

Many of these drugs are based on naturally occurring compounds from plants, fungi, and marine life. The active ingredients are often isolated from the natural source and are then either used directly, chemically modified (semi-synthetic), or produced entirely through synthesis.

 

Drugs derived from plants

• Aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid): Based on salicylic acid from willow bark.
• Morphine: A potent painkiller isolated from the opium poppy.
• Codeine: A painkiller and cough suppressant also from the opium poppy.
• Cocaine: Used as a local anesthetic, it is derived from coca leaves.
• Quinine: An anti-malarial drug from the bark of the cinchona tree.
• Quinidine: An anti-arrhythmic drug also from the cinchona tree.
• Atropine: An anticholinergic drug from deadly nightshade (Atropa belladonna).
• Scopolamine: Used to treat motion sickness, it is also from deadly nightshade.
• Digoxin: A cardiac glycoside for heart failure, from the foxglove plant.
• Vinblastine: A chemotherapy agent from the Madagascar periwinkle.
• Vincristine: Another chemotherapy agent from the Madagascar periwinkle.
• Paclitaxel: A chemotherapy drug originally from the Pacific yew tree.
• Artemisinin: An anti-malarial compound from sweet wormwood.
• Colchicine: Used for gout, from the autumn crocus.
• Pilocarpine: A medication for dry mouth and glaucoma, derived from Pilocarpus plants.
• Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine: Decongestants based on compounds from the Ephedra sinica plant.
• Capsaicin: A topical pain reliever from chili peppers.
• Caffeine: A stimulant from coffee beans, tea leaves, and kola nuts.
• Theophylline: A bronchodilator from tea leaves.
• Curare (Tubocurarine): A muscle relaxant used in surgery, from various plants.
• Galanthamine: Treats Alzheimer's disease, from the common snowdrop.
• Reserpine: An antipsychotic and antihypertensive, from the snakeroot plant.
• Physostigmine: An anticholinesterase inhibitor, from the Calabar bean.
• Berberine: An antimicrobial and anti-inflammatory, from various plants like goldenseal.
• Ergometrine: Induces uterine contractions, from the ergot fungus (Claviceps purpurea).
• Danthron: A laxative from Cassia species.
• Crofelemer: Treats HIV-associated diarrhea, from the dragon's blood tree.
• Podophyllotoxin: A compound for treating warts, from the Mayapple plant.
• Emetine: An emetic, from the ipecac plant.
• Camptothecin: An anticancer drug, from the Chinese happy tree. 

Drugs derived from fungi

• Penicillin: The first widely used antibiotic, discovered from Penicillium mold.
• Cephalosporins: A class of antibiotics from Cephalosporium mold.
• Lovastatin: A cholesterol-lowering statin from Aspergillus terreus fungus.
• Cyclosporine: An immunosuppressant from the fungus Tolypocladium inflatum.
• Mycophenolic acid: A powerful immunosuppressant from Penicillium brevicompactum mold.
• Griseofulvin: An antifungal drug from Penicillium species.
• Micafungin: An antifungal drug from the fungus Coleophoma empetri.
• Ergotamine: A vasoconstrictor for migraines, from the ergot fungus.
• Fingolimod: An immunomodulator for multiple sclerosis, derived from a fungus. 

Drugs derived from other natural sources

• Heparin: An anticoagulant derived from animal tissues (e.g., pig intestines, cow lungs).
• Insulin: Originally sourced from animal pancreases before being produced synthetically.
• Thyroxine: A hormone replacement derived from animal thyroid glands.
• Urokinase: A thrombolytic enzyme from human urine.
• Botulinum toxin (Botox): A neurotoxin from the bacterium Clostridium botulinum.
• Anacaulase: A compound from pineapple plants that treats thermal burns.
• Omega-3 fatty acids: Derived from fish oil and used to treat hypertriglyceridemia.
• Estetrol: A hormone based on a compound from the urine of pregnant women.
• Hirudin: A natural anticoagulant from the salivary glands of leeches.
• Conotoxin: A potent painkiller derived from cone snails. 

Synthetic versions of naturally based compounds

• Opiates: Fentanyl, oxycodone, and other powerful pain relievers are semi-synthetic or fully synthetic opioids based on the natural morphine structure.
• Statins: Many cholesterol-lowering drugs like atorvastatin are synthetically produced based on the fungal compound lovastatin.
• Cannabinoids: Dronabinol (synthetic THC) and Nabiximols (synthetic cannabis extract) are based on compounds from the Cannabis sativa plant.
• Ergot alkaloids: Lisuride and other medications are synthetically derived from the ergot fungus for conditions like Parkinson's disease.
• Amphetamines and methamphetamines: Stimulants based on the structure of ephedrine from the Ephedra plant.

You are another that does not get it Sir.

 

We are not looking for dugs behind the tree, and under the logs. We are looking at ourselves, as an integral part of nature for a happy and productive life.

 

Get off your knees humans. This is our best chance - maybe ever - to move towards realising our true destiny. Apathy and ignorance must be thrown in the waste-bin. Our destiny is within grasp. We are the many. They are the few. Can we move forward and achieve true happiness and contentment?

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

You are another that does not get it Sir.

 

We are not looking for dugs behind the tree, and under the logs. We are looking at ourselves, as an integral part of nature for a happy and productive life.

 

Get off your knees humans. This is our best chance - maybe ever - to move towards realising our true destiny. Apathy and ignorance must be thrown in the waste-bin. Our destiny is within grasp. We are the many. They are the few. Can we move forward and achieve true happiness and contentment?

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

Do you write for The Watchtower, be honest now..........🤔

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Do you write for The Watchtower, be honest now..........🤔

No comment!

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

No comment!

Yes, It's naughty to lie in your crowd, eh....

 

Though your anti-medical stuff is lying...........🤗

 

Whilst you're here, how do you get on at the dentist, do they give you a wack over the head to stun you, or is it a magic mushroom found in your grazing field...?  🐮

30 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Covid was/is a man-made phantasy Sir. There is no such thing in nature.

 

Nature is a man-made fantasy.

 

There is no such thing as nature.

3 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

One question: when you will have to see a doctor next time.....you would tell him he's an ignorant if he won't share your opinion about treatment ??

I still wait for an answer. Apparently you come to your limits.🤣

There was (and still is) zero need to be giving mRNA Covid-19 vaccines to young healthy peoplre yet doctors were saying it was needed. Those who challenged this were at risk of losing their licence to practice.

Just now, dinsdale said:

There was (and still is) zero need to be giving mRNA Covid-19 vaccines to young healthy peoplre yet doctors were saying it was needed. Those who challenged this were at risk of losing their licence to practice.

I favor to administer mRNA COVID vaccines even to young people in many cases.

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

There was (and still is) zero need to be giving mRNA Covid-19 vaccines to young healthy peoplre yet doctors were saying it was needed. Those who challenged this were at risk of losing their licence to practice.

Got a link for that........?   

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

There was (and still is) zero need to be giving mRNA Covid-19 vaccines to young healthy peoplre yet doctors were saying it was needed. Those who challenged this were at risk of losing their licence to practice.

Actually.....it doesn't answer my question. Obviously your RedP is not able to. Because ...?

1 hour ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Current evidence indicate bacteria and viruses cause the damage mainly as compared to real toxins like pfas and so far imagined toxins such as 5G.

I am not a scientist to go in deeply into your 4 points but all I can say is that saying nature has the answers, i.e. self healing if given the tools - by the way what are the tools if not medicine? ,  isn't borne out by my life experience or historical and scientific evidence at this stage. You might say - I think there is more to health than we know - and doctors can't universally be trusted - but if your theories are correct then they should of course be provable - in the mean time one cannot  rely on what can seem like a  vague notion of nature. 

Thanks for the in-depth reply Sir.

 

If I could respond to the 'bolded' points?

',,bacteria and viruses,,' Bacteria are nature's clean up agents. Without them we would quickly perish. Viruses (in the animal world) are the result of cell and tissue breakdown. They are dead, cannot reproduce, cannot infect, and cannot cause sickness to humans or animals. 'IMO', their role is to aid elimination of dead cell debris. note;; I say IMO, because I'm not fully sure of their functions as of yet. Still researching.

 

',,far imagined toxins such as 5G,,' We are in a bio-electrical body. It is naive to think that 5G cannot have serious effects on us*.

 

'I am not a scientist,,' Neither am I Sir. I spent four years studying Applied Physiology at Uni 40 years ago. !2 months spent at Whitechapel (East London) hospital. But; I've learned far more in the last 5 years why the body does not always function as it should; than the decades before.

 

',,by the way what are the tools if not medicine?' As I have stated on in a few posts on health, the body is a bio-mix of chemicals and electricity, all based in a watery gel. So what are the tools? The body has two different sides to health. And although different they go towards making of the whole coin. The one that the white-coats have real difficulty in grasping, is that the natural state of the body is 'good health'.  Good health is not putting toxic medicines into our body, but rather good nutrition, clean water and fresh air. However, not everything goes to plan, and we are not always eating the best of grub, drinking the cleanest of water, and breathing fresh air/ Those are a pipe-dream for most on earth.

 

So! When invaded by stuff it don't want, the body has mechanisms to ensure (try) a quick return to optimal health. Only the body can truly heal (although stitches after a machete attack should be considered). Big Pharma medicines do not heal. What they do is suppress symptoms. And the symptoms, are not only the signs, but the actual mechanisms, of the body is healing itself.

 

 ',,they should of course be provable,,' Indeed. They are being proved every second. Look at nature and how it behaves. We are nature. Nature is us.

 

* -  Arthur Firstenberg investigates the impact of electricity on the biosphere and human health. 'The Invisible Rainbow.' www.CanYouCatchaCold.com Homepage 11th book down.

 

* - The 5G crisis - https://www.youtube.com/@5gcrisis432

49 minutes ago, transam said:

Yes, It's naughty to lie in your crowd, eh....

 

Though your anti-medical stuff is lying...........🤗

 

Whilst you're here, how do you get on at the dentist, do they give you a wack over the head to stun you, or is it a magic mushroom found in your grazing field...?  🐮

I don't go to dentists Trans. Don't trust them. Especially lady dentists, who, I found, in the past do not have the physical strength to hoike yer tooth out.

By "mentally ill" they meant "anti-vaxxers"?

 

Just asking.

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I don't think you fully get it Sir. A tree is nature. A wasp is nature. a human is nature. Everything, we have - yes everything, from a spud to a car - comes from nature.

 

Our body is a wonderful bit of kit. It looks after us (itself) all the time. It is not in its interest to deliberately cause self harm. It, as with everything else in nature, relies on two fundamental things; survival and reproduction.

 

We are born healthy and will remain that way until the body fails to replenish itself some years later. Man has intervened, and decided that nature cannot be trusted in keeping us healthy. So! Here's the kicker. It was realised some 120+ years ago that money, big money, could be made from cutting out nature, and installing a dollar based health system. The major culprit was Rockefeller (there were others). He saw that money could compromise the true beliefs of white-coats. Money poured into Medical Establishments and Universities, and natural medicine was basically stamped to death. We have gradually worsened since those times.

 

As humans, we are a mix of the chemical and electrical. Water is the main constituent in our bodies, and it is water, that we rely on to keep ourselves in balance; in optimal health. So what sends us out of balance? Mostly, it is man-made stuff. Poor nutrition, unclean water, toxicity, medical interventions and fear. We have also disregarded the our body's ability to self-heal. And this self-healing is nature at work. Unfortunately, it has been replaced with medicines, and medical interventions, that stop the self-healing, and create problems for the body's future well-being.

 

To return to the OP; although the above is intrinsically related. Science starts with a Thought. Advances into an Idea. That idea is promoted to a Hypothesis. Through thought and experimentation it then morphs into a Theory. The theory undergoes scrutiny. Is the theory true or false? Can it be both? Well! The virologists would have us believe that a virus, they can't isolate and purify, can be shown to cause disease. This is IMO is nonsense. It goes against the very essence of nature, and is certainly anti-science. And relegates the 'Germ Theory' to that of a Hypothesis.

 

I say (although there are many other things too technical for this thread).

 

So! Let's get to it.

 

#1 - There is no such thing as apathogenic virus in nature.

#2 - Diseases do not exist as we are told they do.

#3 - A sickness cannot be passed from a sick person to a healthy one.

#4 - The body will self-heal if given the tools. 

 

In fact to, #4, that is happening 24/7/365 to all of us.

 

Let's debate. I'm quite willing to expand any of the above is you are still unsure Sir.

Oh NNNOOOOOOO!  I'm trapped in an episode of The Twilight Zone.

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

Oh NNNOOOOOOO!  I'm trapped in an episode of The Twilight Zone.

I'm here to help you Buddy. 

 

Just don't have ANY more vaccines. Good start. But!! If you are not fully convinced, ask Red for a second opinion.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I'm here to help you Buddy. 

 

Just don't have ANY more vaccines. Good start.

Ooooh, no you're not......😬

 

You are dangerous, the same as your chum Red for danger...🥺

9 hours ago, BKKKevin said:

It’s sad this forum has become a conduit to proliferate such ignorance… 

 

9 hours ago, marin said:

I too find it strange that this is allowed here. Probably the only place RP can post up his out there ideas and get and audience. Real real gone though....

 

But no problems with all the postings of  hate and lies about Trump, rep / dems / left / right, or anti Yank, Brit, Thai Chinese, Russian, trans, gay, bi, straight, immigrant postings... etc etc etc.

 

And don't forget the hate and calls for death or jail for the anti vax / mask folks, inclusive and on the receiving end of.

 

Hypocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.