Anti-vaxxers behave the same as cults to attract followers

 

You need to turn off auto correct.

I've made many mistakes in my life...but not getting vaccinated wasn't one of them. 😁

3 hours ago, TonmaiYai said:

 

Utter rubbish. Many vaccines are full of toxins and that's going to stop. Mercury just doesn't disappear.

 

Why do mfgs need procecution immunity? 

 

The mRNA vaccines are not recommended for anyone now truth is out 🙏🙏

 

Shocking post

 

 

 

Yep, this is gonna fall under the followinng:

 

Outright lying

"Anti-vaccination social media campaigns spew outright lies to sow doubt and confusion about the vaccination process."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/29/perspectives/covid-19-vaccine-anti-vaxxers-social-media-cults

 

 

"Trump incorrectly suggested that the small amounts of mercury or aluminum in vaccines are harmful. There is no evidence that these ingredients are a problem.

...

 

As with thimerosal, there is no evidence that aluminum adjuvants, which are used in a wide variety of vaccines, including hepatitis B, HPV and diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis, are dangerous. 

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/09/repeated-falsehoods-at-autism-press-conference/

 

Can vaccines with thimerosal cause mercury poisoning?

A: No. Thimerosal has a different form of mercury (ethylmercury) than the kind that causes mercury poisoning (methylmercury). It’s safe to use ethylmercury in vaccines because it’s less likely to build up in the body — and because it’s used in very, very small amounts. Even so, most vaccines do not have any thimerosal in them. If you’re concerned about thimerosal or mercury in vaccines, talk with your doctor.

 

https://www.hhs.gov/immunization/basics/vaccine-ingredients/index.html

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

Yep, this is gonna fall under the followinng:

 

Outright lying

"Anti-vaccination social media campaigns spew outright lies to sow doubt and confusion about the vaccination process."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/29/perspectives/covid-19-vaccine-anti-vaxxers-social-media-cults

 

 

"Trump incorrectly suggested that the small amounts of mercury or aluminum in vaccines are harmful. There is no evidence that these ingredients are a problem.

...

 

As with thimerosal, there is no evidence that aluminum adjuvants, which are used in a wide variety of vaccines, including hepatitis B, HPV and diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis, are dangerous. 

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/09/repeated-falsehoods-at-autism-press-conference/

 

 

 

Just to note.....ethyl mercury not mercury (and mostly replaced now anyway)........which is excrete via the stool.....in case he comes back at you

4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

To use your - ad nauseam repeated words - CNN is not a 'trustworthy source'.

It's a bought and paid Pharma-shill. 

And it's no surprise that the reach of all of these lie-repeaters is ever decreasing.

Next...

And what are you...........?     

4 hours ago, Bacon1 said:

Might I ask you, Khun Phoenix, what is your medical background?

The Watchtower.............🥺

3 hours ago, TonmaiYai said:

 

Weren't you the guy spreading all the COVID disinformation a few years back during the scamdemic?? I'm guessing you don't live in Thailand as well. 

 

CNN .. 5555555

Wrong...............

Now I am confused. Who should I trust?

 

Science ----or-------- Cults

Science ----or------- Misinformation

Science ----or------- YouTube 

Science ----or------- Facebook

Science ----or------- Red Phoenix

Science ----or------- Ignorance

12 hours ago, ecline said:

This isn't the same as kids today who are being subjected to literally dozens of them.

 

Ok, good points. 

 

36 minutes ago, ecline said:

It isn't outright lying. Vaccination shots up to the age of 18 are between 30 - 40, many of which are combination shots. Add in flu shots and COVID shots and by the time you are 18 you will have had well over 50 injections. True that not everyone gets that many shots, but many do.

 

Ya, but your original post started out claiming 80, which as I pointed out, was absolute false nonsense.

 

FWIW, the rate of COVID vaccination for children in  the U.S., partly because of government limits on the use of the vaccine for children, has been very low. So for the typical kid, COVID vaccines are not adding any substantial numbers to your count.

 

11 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Now I am confused. Who should I trust?

 

Science ----or-------- Cults

Science ----or------- Misinformation

Science ----or------- YouTube 

Science ----or------- Facebook

Science ----or------- Red Phoenix

Science ----or------- Ignorance

 

You forgot "Science --- or --- Science" 

 

As in most things scientific, there are different conclusions from different scientists even if they're looking at the same data.  Sadly, the only "Science" that generally gets published is the "Science" coming from the people who fund the studies and pay the peer reviewers and spend $billions on advertising.  Even if they're advertising boner pills (as if they don't sell themselves), what they're really paying for is the leverage to tell the media what it's okay to say.

 

33 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Ya, but your original post started out claiming 80, which as I pointed out, was absolute false nonsense.

 

It can be over 80 now if you include annual flu shots (sometimes 2x a year) and keep your Covid boosters up to date for this week's variant.

 

I think the standard list is over 70, then you have to add in all the asterisks for people with special risks, plus the boosters.

I have been vaccinated many times, starting at a young age - all vaccines were tested for decades and proven to be effective in helping the vaccinated.

 

However, I would never volunteer be used as Guinea pig with experimental drugs. Luckily, there are millions that enthusiastically volunteered to use experimental drugs for the sole purpose of stuffing the deep pockets of pharma companies with billions of taxpayers money.

 

I have no doubts that most of this drivel that is spread against people that don't want to be experimented on with unproven medical solutions is paid for in full by said beneficiaries.

 

When in doubt about a suspicious activity, always ask 'Qui bono........... ?' 

4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yes, I am downplaying the toxicity of vaccines.

 

I was in a restaurant the other day. The guy sitting next to me was in his 60s or 70s. He looked frail as hell. No muscles. And he was chain smoking and had a perpetual cough. 

 

I need to ask you to explain to me how this guy is even still alive. 

Clearly, he didn't start smoking yesterday. He's been smoking for 20 years at least.

Clearly, he's never done any exercise in his entire life.

 

So how did such a weak and frail man who chain smoked for 20 years survive all these jabs if they're so dangerous?

 

According to your theory, there are 2 possibilities:

1 - Most of us should be dead because the vaccines are that dangerous

OR 

2 - It would be a "survival of the fittest" scenario, where these vaccines are so dangerous that perhaps only people who are incredibly healthy with incredibly resilient might survive.

 

But that's not what I'm seeing out there. I'm seeing a bunch of frail smokers and obese diabetics all still clinging to life. Miraculously, they all survived the onslaught of these dangerous jabs.

 

Please refine your theory so it doesn't conflict with common sense and then get back to me. 

 

You don't need science. All you need is common sense. 

 

And by the way, I'm ALSO arguing that the you know what wasn't that dangerous either. Because if it were, all these chain smokers and obese diabetics would not have survived. 

 

Think about it. Death is a statistical thing. The sicker you are, the more that one poison might knock you out. But I don't see it happening. I see a bunch of sick people around me. Mixed together with a bunch of healthy people. 

 

 

 

This is a laff. 

 

You have no idea about his health. He is/was obviously dying inside and out. I guess he needs to fall on the floor to appreciate that. 

 

Assuming both kill. Smoking does kill and mRNA vaccines may kill, child vaccine regiment may kill or maim. COVID vax kill kids. This vaccine is totally unecessary and ALWAYS was.

 

You posit that antivaxers would believe that the man would die of his vaccinations before he died of cancer. 

 

1 He's still dying of cancer.  If he died even one day earlier bc of his vax you would not have even seen him

 

2 Smoking kills. mRNA vaccines may kill, maim, heart failure, blood disorders etc OR may not. There is and always has been conclusive evidence the vaccines can absolutely cause irreversible harm. 

 

Vaccines have all sorts of toxins. Mercury comes quickly to mind. Do you remember those toxic J&J vaccines? Wasn't it Japan that recently published on the impurities and toxicity???

 

But the notion that vaccines should kill faster than smoking is patently absurd.

 

You don't believe vaccines have the ability to kill yet offer the equation above. I'm lost

 

Moreover, maybe he smokes a few cigarettes a day and he simply had a cold? 

 

Now we have MAHA, RFK knowing all US branches of public health did not have our best interests at heart - far from it. The opposite. All owned lock stock and barrel ... insiders are still falling on swords to keep child vaccines alive. Sick.

 

I can't believe everyone didn't always but especially now question EVERYTHING about big pharma. If that's not you - you're an absolute imbecile. And please...keep getting vaxxed 👍👍👍

11 hours ago, TonmaiYai said:

This is a laff. 

You're fairly outspoken for a "new poster". 

 

14 hours ago, ecline said:

These are actually good points and I use them when arguing with some of my friends who claim that vaccines are all bad. But the 60 - 70 year old smoker probably had fewer than a half dozen vaccine shots when he was younger, and maybe got a couple more for travel and/or COVID. This isn't the same as kids today who are being subjected to literally dozens of them. We don't know much about the long term safety profile of some of the newer vaccines themselves, and almost nothing about interactions. We know literally nothing about the long-term safety profile of mRNA vaccines. The mRNA vaccine rollout was fraught with lies, incorrect information and coercion. And now in Japan we have thousands of people volunteering to be guinea pigs for self-replicating mRNA vaccines. No thanks, and excuse me if I remain a skeptic.

 

Maybe Covid and vaccines for kids need to be discussed as separate issues.

 

Trump has stated that he thinks kids are getting too many vaccines at once and wants to spread it out over a multiple year period. At least that's a step in the right direction? Although it's clear some of you guys here want all vaccines abolished, I do not have the expertise nor the time to sift through hundreds of scientific studies that would prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the population would be better off without any vaccines as children (not talking about Covid now). 

 

2 hours ago, mistral53 said:

However, I would never volunteer be used as Guinea pig with experimental drugs. Luckily, there are millions that enthusiastically volunteered to use experimental drugs for the sole purpose of stuffing the deep pockets of pharma companies with billions of taxpayers money.

 

 

Well, you've made your anti-vaxer credentials crystal clear...

 

Now, if you'd only brought some actual FACTS to the table instead of debunked nonsense, we'd have something to talk about... But sadly, NOT!

 

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines were tested in clinical trials, aren’t experimental

"COVID-19 mRNA vaccines went through multiple stages of clinical testing to ensure their safety and effectiveness. As they’ve already cleared clinical trials, they’re no longer experimental. The trials and real-world data have also shown that COVID-19 vaccines are effective at reducing the risk of severe disease and death.

...

As we’ve explained before, regulatory agencies only allowed these vaccines to be available for public use after they completed the necessary clinical trials to assess their safety and effectiveness. These trials included tens of thousands of participants. Because they’ve cleared these trials, the vaccines are no longer in the experimental stage.

 

While COVID-19 mRNA vaccines were developed and rolled out a lot more quickly than other vaccines, this doesn’t mean that scientists cut corners in the vaccines’ development nor in their review of the trial data. This accelerated timeline was made possible by combining certain clinical trial phases and scaling up vaccine manufacturing capacity earlier than usual, as explained here and here."

 

Science Feedback

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/covid-19-mrna-vaccines-tested-clinical-trials-arent-experimental/

 

 

 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

You're fairly outspoken for a "new poster". 

 

 

I loathe everything about COVID-19 vaccines and each vax fanboi.

 

Especially the weak people that thought it was others jobs to spend time and money ... complete strangers to safeguard their safety while doing or giving nothing in return. All the waste, abuse, harm, death, inconvenience and wasted money... Loss of livelihood, jobs ... It cannot be underated. 

 

People then maybe ignorant, lazy, stupid, necient... absolutely no excuse supporting COVID vaccine these days unless a person is absolutely the above. Please continue your vaccines. Double up even 👍👍

This is from Unicef web site:

 

Again, this is not about Covid and I don't wish to mix Covid with all the other vaccines for children.

You anti-vaxxers sure you know what you're talking about? You better be sure because you appear to be influencing many parents around the world not to vaccinate their children and there appears to be more deaths of preventable diseases when children are not vaccinated. 

 

If you are an anti-vaxxer as pertains to children's vaccines, make sure you cross your I's and dot your T's because it appears to be having a strong impact.

 

And if you don't have a scientific background to interpret scientific data, maybe it's best to keep your mouth shut. 

 

https://www.unicef.org/rosa/stories/saying-no-vaccines-risking-childs-life

 

More than 8 million children in South Asia are not getting all the vaccines that they need. The result is frightening. Every year, children are dying from deadly outbreaks of diseases that could have been prevented, like measles. In 2018, we saw more than 100,000 new measles cases in South Asia.

 

In recent years we have progressed well on vaccinations. In most South Asian countries, vaccinations of children have reached high or even very high levels. Millions of lives have been saved. But what we see now is that progress is stagnant. In South Asia, like in other regions of the world, vocal anti-vaccine activists are now making untruthful claims about the safety of vaccines. They question the value of vaccines. During a recent vaccination campaign in India for example, they used social media to undermine parents’ trusts in the measles-rubella vaccine. In the Maldives, people who are influential on social media have repeatedly spread fake information about the content of vaccines in order to create fear. This fake information clearly has an impact on some parents who hesitate to vaccinate their child or outright refuse because they do not trust the benefits.

 

Nevertheless, the scientific evidence is clear: vaccines are effective and help save lives. They work. Globally, vaccines prevent 2-3 million deaths every year. Not being vaccinated is risky for children, and for the community. Horrible, life-threatening diseases that are otherwise effectively prevented through vaccination include diphtheria and pneumonia. And if a child gets measles, it risks acute inflammation of the brain in serious cases that will likely result in death. Every parent who chooses not to vaccinate their children puts their own child – and others – at risk of death and disabilities which can affect them for life.

 

 

11 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

While COVID-19 mRNA vaccines were developed and rolled out a lot more quickly than other vaccines,

 

mRNA technology was being developed for decades before Covid.

although it wasn't intended for Covid since Covid is something new and unexpected. 

 

1 minute ago, TonmaiYai said:

 

I loathe everything about COVID-19 vaccines and each vax fanboi.

 

Especially the weak people that thought it was others jobs to spend time and money ... complete strangers to safeguard their safety while doing or giving nothing in return. All the waste, abuse, harm, death, inconvenience and wasted money... Loss of livelihood, jobs ... It cannot be underated. 

 

People then maybe ignorant, lazy, stupid, necient... absolutely no excuse supporting COVID vaccine these days unless a person is absolutely the above. Please continue your vaccines. Double up even 👍👍

And your medical or scientific credentials are.....? 🤔

Or is that just from your bar stool banter with the chaps.........

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Maybe Covid and vaccines for kids need to be discussed as separate issues.

 

Trump has stated that he thinks kids are getting too many vaccines at once and wants to spread it out over a multiple year period. At least that's a step in the right direction? Although it's clear some of you guys here want all vaccines abolished, I do not have the expertise nor the time to sift through hundreds of scientific studies that would prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the population would be better off without any vaccines as children (not talking about Covid now). 

 

There is no need to give any vaxxes. Kids are not at risk from nature. They are, however, at risk from bad parenting , sloppy food, and white-coats concoctions.

 

'The person most likely to kill you is your doctor.' That obviously goes for babes and toddlers too.

 

www.vernoncoleman.com

11 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There is no need to give any vaxxes. Kids are not at risk from nature. They are, however, at risk from bad parenting , sloppy food, and white-coats concoctions.

 

'The person most likely to kill you is your doctor.' That obviously goes for babes and toddlers too.

 

www.vernoncoleman.com

 

That's not what the statistical data seems to be suggesting.

It seems to be suggesting the opposite. 

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8677503/

 

As of 2018, the total world population of children < 5 years of age was roughly estimated at 679 million. Of these children, an estimated 5.3 million died of all causes in 2018, with an estimated 700,000 who died of vaccine-preventable infectious diseases; 99% of the children who died had lived in low- and middle-income countries. The infectious diseases that remain major causes of mortality for which vaccines have been shown to provide proven preventive success include, in order of prevalence, are those caused by Streptococcus pneumoniae, Rotavirus, Bordetella pertussis, measles virus, Haemophilus influenzae type b and influenza virus.

 

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Well, you've made your anti-vaxer credentials crystal clear...

 

Now, if you'd only brought some actual FACTS to the table instead of debunked nonsense, we'd have something to talk about... But sadly, NOT!

 

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines were tested in clinical trials, aren’t experimental

"COVID-19 mRNA vaccines went through multiple stages of clinical testing to ensure their safety and effectiveness. As they’ve already cleared clinical trials, they’re no longer experimental. The trials and real-world data have also shown that COVID-19 vaccines are effective at reducing the risk of severe disease and death.

...

As we’ve explained before, regulatory agencies only allowed these vaccines to be available for public use after they completed the necessary clinical trials to assess their safety and effectiveness. These trials included tens of thousands of participants. Because they’ve cleared these trials, the vaccines are no longer in the experimental stage.

 

While COVID-19 mRNA vaccines were developed and rolled out a lot more quickly than other vaccines, this doesn’t mean that scientists cut corners in the vaccines’ development nor in their review of the trial data. This accelerated timeline was made possible by combining certain clinical trial phases and scaling up vaccine manufacturing capacity earlier than usual, as explained here and here."

 

Science Feedback

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/covid-19-mrna-vaccines-tested-clinical-trials-arent-experimental/

 

 

 

 

This is another one of your bull<deleted> websites. English site registered in France. 

 

The article defames a number of high profile scientists many of which are now part of the US governments.

 

Poorly written and weakly argued. This is just pablum for a link. So, you write the lie, slap in the link which no one questions. Instant authority. Nope, nope and nope 

 

 

The site grifts into https://science.feedback.org/

 

The board of trustees are totally suspect. I checked each one. 

 

Looking at your history you've been posting this stuff for years. 

8 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There is no need to give any vaxxes. Kids are not at risk from nature. They are, however, at risk from bad parenting , sloppy food, and white-coats concoctions.

 

'The person most likely to kill you is your doctor.' That obviously goes for babes and toddlers too.

 

www.vernoncoleman.com

So now parents are to blame for all medical issues, you're nuts..........🤕

9 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There is no need to give any vaxxes.

 

💰💰💰💰💰

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

mRNA technology was being developed for decades before Covid.

although it wasn't intended for Covid since Covid is something new and unexpected. 

 

 

The particular COVID virus was new, but it was preceded by the similar SARS and MERS outbreaks.

 

SARS

"Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is a viral respiratory disease of zoonotic origin caused by the virus SARS-CoV-1, the first identified strain of the SARS-related coronavirus.^[3] The first known cases occurred in November 2002, and the syndrome caused the 2002–2004 SARS outbreak....

 

SARS was a relatively rare disease; at the end of the epidemic in June 2003, the incidence was 8,422 cases with a case fatality rate (CFR) of 11%.^[5] No cases of SARS-CoV-1 have been reported worldwide since 2004.^[6]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS

 

 

MERS

"Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) is a viral respiratory infection caused by Middle East respiratory syndrome–related coronavirus (MERS-CoV).^[1] 

 

The first case was identified in June 2012 by Egyptian physician Ali Mohamed Zaki at the Dr. Soliman Fakeeh Hospital in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, and most cases have occurred in the Arabian Peninsula.^[1][6] Over 2,600 cases have been reported as of January 2021, including 45 cases in the year 2020.^[3] About 35% of those who are diagnosed with the disease die from it.^[1] Larger outbreaks have occurred in South Korea in 2015 and in Saudi Arabia in 2018.^[7][1]

 

MERS-CoV is a virus in the coronavirus family believed to be originally from bats.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MERS

 

 

What Are Coronaviruses?

"Coronaviruses are a large family of respiratory viruses that includes COVID-19, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS), and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS). Coronaviruses cause diseases in animals and humans. In humans, the viruses can cause mild respiratory infections, like the common cold, but can lead to serious illnesses, like pneumonia."

 

https://www.nfid.org/infectious-disease/coronaviruses/

 

 

11 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There is no need to give any vaxxes. Kids are not at risk from nature. They are, however, at risk from bad parenting , sloppy food, and white-coats concoctions.

 

'The person most likely to kill you is your doctor.' That obviously goes for babes and toddlers too.

 

www.vernoncoleman.com

 

Yes, from this guy's website:

 

37) Draw attention to the ability of the mind to heal the body

 

Yes, "in theory" .... perhaps. But maybe a couple of Yogis / mystics who live in the Himalayas might be able to achieve this monumental mental feat. 

 

For the rest of us mere mortals, good luck and God bless you trying to heal all your health issues with the power of the mind. Does he offer any specific techniques? Has it been scientifically proven? Or is he just talking out his butt-hole to sell books to the gullible? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just now, transam said:

So now parents are to blame for all medical issues, you're nuts..........🤕

Where did you set the 'all' from Trans. Parents life style, during being preggers, and after baby pops out, can leave the baby not best protected.

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

Where did you set the 'all' from Trans. Parents life style, during being preggers, and after baby pops out, can leave the baby not best protected.

You are nuts..............🤔