Winner of mRNA Nobel Prize says ACIP member’s claim that Covid vaccines persist is “absolutely impossible”

In Q&A, Drew Weissman says vast literature shows Covid shots are safe, refutes claims from Retsef Levi

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"STAT posed questions about these claims to Drew Weissman, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania and co-recipient of the 2023 Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine for his discoveries that enabled the creation of mRNA-based Covid-19 vaccines. That conversation, edited for length and clarity, follows.

 

Q. At the ACIP meeting, there were a lot of discussions about reports of mRNA being widely distributed in the body or persisting.

 

A. If you look in the literature you can find papers that say that the earth is flat, you can find papers that say DNA isn’t double stranded. You can find anything. The problem is there’s thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of other papers that refute that. ... Many good studies have not seen that. The RNA is gone in days. It doesn’t go to the brain. It doesn’t go to the eyes. What those studies did is they put huge doses of RNA into a mouse and used very sensitive assays, and that’s where it went. It goes everywhere. If you put a vaccine equivalent dose, you see it in the muscle, you see it in the draining lymph node, and that’s about it.

 

Q. But how certain are we that mRNA is not continuing to produce spike protein? For instance, the preprint authored by Akiko Iwasaki, which includes well respected Yale researchers. That’s a paper that found at least residual spike protein.

 

A. The problem is they used a bad assay to measure spike. It’s an ultra, ultra-sensitive assay, but it makes a lot of errors, and you don’t believe anything unless it’s above a certain level as real. What they reported was in the unknown area where it could just be noise in the assay versus real spike. Many other assays using good experiments, using good assays, don’t find spike protein circulating.  (In late August, Iwasaki told STAT: “We have already done two different orthogonal approaches to measure spike proteins thus far but are now working on developing more sensitive and accurate methods to further validate our findings.”)

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Q. What about the issue of DNA contamination — that DNA impurities are present at too high a level and that the lipoprotein that allows the mRNA to get into cells could lead to them being taken up?

 

A. Just about every vaccine has DNA contamination. If it is made from eggs, if it is made from living cells, if it is an inactivated virus, if it’s a live virus. They’re all grown in cells and cells have DNA. So when you purify the virus, you get very low levels of DNA contamination. We’ve never seen an adverse event." 

 

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Can't possibly be correct....   Because everyone knows Nobel laureates are part of Big Science’s global conspiracy to keep us all... healthy....

.... Can’t trust that.... Far better to listen to the self-proclaimed “truth-tellers” who once did their own research on YouTube between flat-earth documentaries and detox smoothie recipes...

 

...Let’s be honest - if an actual scientist says mRNA vaccines are safe and effective, that’s just too mainstream to be true. The real heroes are the ones armed with MEME's and screenshots from loony fringe publications, and a firm belief that Wi-Fi causes measles...

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Can't possibly be correct....   Because everyone knows Nobel laureates are part of Big Science’s global conspiracy to keep us all... healthy....

.... Can’t trust that.... Far better to listen to the self-proclaimed “truth-tellers” who once did their own research on YouTube between flat-earth documentaries and detox smoothie recipes...

 

...Let’s be honest - if an actual scientist says mRNA vaccines are safe and effective, that’s just too mainstream to be true. The real heroes are the ones armed with MEME's and screenshots from loony fringe publications, and a firm belief that Wi-Fi causes measles...

Al Gore

Barrack Obama

Yasser Arafat

Shimon Peres

Henry Kissinger

 

... nuff said

29 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Al Gore

Barrack Obama

Yasser Arafat

Shimon Peres

Henry Kissinger

 

... nuff said

 

Except for the fact that Weissman was honored with the Nobel Prize for his mRNA research in the category of Physiology or Medicine, which was the field that pertained to his research.

 

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/lists/all-nobel-laureates-in-physiology-or-medicine/

 

And none of the political figures on your list were honored with their Nobel prizes in that category.  Nuff said.

 

 

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Can't possibly be correct....   Because everyone knows Nobel laureates are part of Big Science’s global conspiracy to keep us all... healthy....

.... Can’t trust that.... Far better to listen to the self-proclaimed “truth-tellers” who once did their own research on YouTube between flat-earth documentaries and detox smoothie recipes...

 

...Let’s be honest - if an actual scientist says mRNA vaccines are safe and effective, that’s just too mainstream to be true. The real heroes are the ones armed with MEME's and screenshots from loony fringe publications, and a firm belief that Wi-Fi causes measles...

 

What's your take on this?

 

After three years of scientific research, millions of patients treated, hundreds of clinical trials performed and scientific data shared, we have demonstrated and documented our success in understanding and combating the COVID-19 orchestrated crisis. In considering the risks versus benefits of major policy decisions, our coalition of 17,000 physicians and medical scientists from all over the world have reached the following, updated consensus:
We declare, and the data confirm that COVID-19 experimental genetic therapy injections must end. All COVID-19 and other modified mRNA “vaccines” must be immediately discontinued. We demand that Covid-19 "vaccines' be removed from children vaccine schedule.

 

 

24 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

What's your take on this?

 

After three years of scientific research, millions of patients treated, hundreds of clinical trials performed and scientific data shared, we have demonstrated and documented our success in understanding and combating the COVID-19 orchestrated crisis. In considering the risks versus benefits of major policy decisions, our coalition of 17,000 physicians and medical scientists from all over the world have reached the following, updated consensus:
We declare, and the data confirm that COVID-19 experimental genetic therapy injections must end. All COVID-19 and other modified mRNA “vaccines” must be immediately discontinued. We demand that Covid-19 "vaccines' be removed from children vaccine schedule.

 

 

 

 

CREDIBILITY ALERT!  Look who she fronts for... a quack pseudoscience COVID misinformation outfit:

 

 

 

"The Independent Medical Alliance (IMA), formerly The Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), is a small U.S. organization of physicians and former journalists formed in March 2020 that has advocated for various alternative treatments for COVID-19, including the anti-parasitic drug Ivermectin. Paul E. Marik and Pierre Kory lead the group.

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A 2021 review of Ivermectin by FLCCC members on the efficacy of Ivermectin, which was provisionally accepted by Frontiers in Pharmacology, was then rejected because of what the publisher called “a series of strong, unsupported claims based on studies with insufficient statistical significance.” The review article included a study from Egypt that was later retracted when concerns about its data and plagiarism were uncovered. According to the World Health Organization, the FDA, and European Medicines Agency, they advise against Ivermectin for COVID-19 outside of clinical trials. Still, the FLCCC has contended that Ivermectin could reduce viral load and accelerate recovery in patients."

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/front-line-covid-19-critical-care-alliance-flccc-bias/

 

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

Predictable quack!

 

 

 

"The Independent Medical Alliance (IMA), formerly The Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), is a small U.S. organization of physicians and former journalists formed in March 2020 that has advocated for various alternative treatments for COVID-19, including the anti-parasitic drug Ivermectin. Paul E. Marik and Pierre Kory lead the group.

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A 2021 review of Ivermectin by FLCCC members on the efficacy of Ivermectin, which was provisionally accepted by Frontiers in Pharmacology, was then rejected because of what the publisher called “a series of strong, unsupported claims based on studies with insufficient statistical significance.” The review article included a study from Egypt that was later retracted when concerns about its data and plagiarism were uncovered. According to the World Health Organization, the FDA, and European Medicines Agency, they advise against Ivermectin for COVID-19 outside of clinical trials. Still, the FLCCC has contended that Ivermectin could reduce viral load and accelerate recovery in patients."

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/front-line-covid-19-critical-care-alliance-flccc-bias/

 

 

I asked @richard_smith237 to kindly give me his take on the fact that 17,000 physicians and medical scientists were opposed to the Covid shot.

 

I am particularly interested in reading how he will articulate his response with regard to his claim about "the self-proclaimed “truth-tellers” who once did their own research on YouTube between flat-earth documentaries and detox smoothie recipes".

20 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

After three years of scientific research, millions of patients treated, hundreds of clinical trials performed and scientific data shared, we have demonstrated and documented our success in understanding and combating the COVID-19 orchestrated crisis.

Do you have a link to the published data and the meta-analysis of these data?

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

I asked @richard_smith237 to kindly give me his take on the fact that 17,000 physicians and medical scientists were opposed to the Covid shot.

 

I have no doubt that 17,000 number is a fabricated figure, at least in terms of them being "physicians and medical scientists," as has often occurred with the anti-vax community and its various past petitions where they gather signatures from all kinds of people with who knows who backgrounds.

 

The past so-called Great Barrington Declaration as a similar example:

 

"While the authors' website claims that over 14,000 scientists, 40,000 medical practitioners, and more than 800,000 members of the public signed the declaration,^[46][47] this list—which anyone could sign online and which required merely clicking a checkbox to claim the status of "scientist"—contains some evidently-fake names, including: "Mr Banana Rama", "Harold Shipman", and "Prof Cominic Dummings".^[48][49][50] More than 100 psychotherapists, numerous homeopaths, physiotherapists, massage therapists, and other non-relevant people were found to be signatories, including a performer of Khoomei—a Mongolian style of overtone singing—described as a "therapeutic sound practitioner".^[49] An article in The Independent reported that the false signatures put claims about the breadth of support in doubt.^[50] Bhattacharya responded by saying that the authors "did not have the resources to audit each signature," and that people had "abused our trust" by adding fake names.^[50

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration#Signatories

 

 

 

Facts: "...Nobel Prize winner says it's safe..."

 

Antivaxxers who probably never finished high school: "Yea well what does he know?!  Probably paid by big pharma to say that".  As opposed to where they get their info from.  A bunch of youtube conspiracy theorists trying to get views. 

 

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I have no doubt that 17,000 number is a fabricated figure, at least in terms of them being "physicians and medical scientists," as has often occurred with the anti-vax community and its various past petitions where they gather signatures from all kinds of people with who knows who backgrounds.

 

The past so-called Great Barrington Declaration as a similar example:

 

"While the authors' website claims that over 14,000 scientists, 40,000 medical practitioners, and more than 800,000 members of the public signed the declaration,^[46][47] this list—which anyone could sign online and which required merely clicking a checkbox to claim the status of "scientist"—contains some evidently-fake names, including: "Mr Banana Rama", "Harold Shipman", and "Prof Cominic Dummings".^[48][49][50] More than 100 psychotherapists, numerous homeopaths, physiotherapists, massage therapists, and other non-relevant people were found to be signatories, including a performer of Khoomei—a Mongolian style of overtone singing—described as a "therapeutic sound practitioner".^[49] An article in The Independent reported that the false signatures put claims about the breadth of support in doubt.^[50] Bhattacharya responded by saying that the authors "did not have the resources to audit each signature," and that people had "abused our trust" by adding fake names.^[50

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration#Signatories

 

 

 

 

A very weak response. "You have no doubt", well noted.

3 minutes ago, Peabody said:

Do you have a link to the published data and the meta-analysis of these data?

 

I am merely stressing that 17,000 medical practitioners hold this position, which is somewhat different from the claim that Covid vaccine refutation is confined to the realms of uninformed and irrelevant social media posts.

6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I am merely stressing that 17,000 medical practitioners hold this position, which is somewhat different from the claim that Covid vaccine refutation is confined to the realms of uninformed and irrelevant social media posts.

 

Except of course that the group's claimed figure is in all likelihood bogus, unless they want to change the description, perhaps, to 17,000 misc. anti-vaxer oddballs around the world.

 

See the same folks' Great Barrington Declaration hijinks above.  That's just the way they roll....

 

"More than 100 psychotherapists, numerous homeopaths, physiotherapists, massage therapists, and other non-relevant people were found to be signatories, including a performer of Khoomei—a Mongolian style of overtone singing—described as a "therapeutic sound practitioner".'

 

Yep, "physicians and medical scientists" all!!!     

 

 

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Except of course that the group's claimed figure is in all likelihood bogus, unless they want to change the description, perhaps, to 17,000 misc. anti-vaxer oddballs around the world.

 

See the same folks' Great Barrington Declaration hijinks above.  That's just the way they roll....

 

 

 

 

 

"In all likelihood"…

 

I thought you were the voice of informed, objective facts?

I'm content to let the presented evidence speak for itself....

 

Honestly, when will you <deleted>can this covid vaccine loop ?

It's twice a week or so it feels.

 

OCD level obsession.

19 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

Honestly, when will you <deleted>can this covid vaccine loop ?

It's twice a week or so it feels.

 

OCD level obsession.

Tell red phoenix 

12 hours ago, still kicking said:

Tell red phoenix 

Both of them.