3 minutes ago, angryguy said:

You live in a media bubble, not reality

I AM physically here living each and every day out and about enjoying life you are in Thailand presently I assume probably boored and spending to much time on the internet ehh?anyway I’m here in reality and it’s not anything like the chaos trump try’s to make people believe.

6 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

No, the U.S. Constitution does NOT allow everyone the right to live here.

The left wants the west third world. You guys succeeded in europe. Not the US

4 minutes ago, angryguy said:

The left wants the west third world. You guys succeeded in europe. Not the US

You are by your own admission bored and trolling

4 minutes ago, angryguy said:

The left wants the west third world. You guys succeeded in europe. Not the US

Huh?immigration is as old as the USA take a sedative.

3 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

You are by your own admission bored and trolling

Sometimes i do think i may be a troll but the news from the UK is very real and to be frank the left cannot do anything anymore to hide it

3 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

 

Yes that is how it has been interpreted.  What Trump is trying to do is change that.  The constitution is a changeable document when the right reason and events show good cause.  I do not know if he must get a new amendment passed or if he can get a new ruling from SCOTUS to stand up.  

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As to if this is the right reason and cause I'm sure AN can have a 30 page debate on that.

 

yeah.  Times do change.  The idea of anchor babies was not a big issue a century or more ago because traveling to the USA from abroad was not a trivial process.  Now, it is relatively easy to get into the USA one way or another, and with the clear intent to have a baby there.  So I am open to  the issue being looked at in a new light.  A quick search on the internet said there were 400,000 so called anchor babies born in the USA annually

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

One can maybe say the 14th amendment and the prevailing Supreme Court precedent are out of date as they were passed when international travel was far more difficult if not impossible to accommodate a 9-month pregnancy

 

But then one can say the 2nd Amendment was passed when there were only muzzle loading flintlocks but now it applies to an AR-15.

 

Nothing to do with "international travel."

It was about the international slave trade.

 

The 14th Amendment was passed to address issues of citizenship and civil rights for formerly enslaved people after the Civil War, ensuring that all persons born or naturalized in the United States are granted citizenship and equal protection under the law. It aimed to rectify the injustices of the Dred Scott decision, which denied citizenship to African Americans.

 

The current interpretation that confers citizenship on a baby that pops out and drops on the north side of the border fence when a pregnant "person" is illegally climbing the wall is incorrect.

27 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

The current interpretation that confers citizenship on a baby that pops out and drops on the north side of the border fence when a pregnant "person" is illegally climbing the wall is incorrect.

That is the Trump position.

 

What the Supreme Court oral argument questions from Trump-appointee Kavanaugh suggest that part of the decision will be the practical implications that SG Sauer was seemingly ill-prepared to address.

3 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

That is the Trump position.

 

What the Supreme Court oral argument questions from Trump-appointee Kavanaugh suggest that part of the decision will be the practical implications that SG Sauer was seemingly ill-prepared to address.

 

Supremes will consider the intent of those who wrote and passed the original amendment.

 

If my parents are illegally in the USA and rob a bank, then deposit the stolen loot into MY bank account, do I get to keep the money?

Bruce Lee, born in San Francisco, was an 'anchor' baby

2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

One can maybe say the 14th amendment and the prevailing Supreme Court precedent are out of date as they were passed when international travel was far more difficult if not impossible to accommodate a 9-month pregnancy

 

But then one can say the 2nd Amendment was passed when there were only muzzle loading flintlocks but now it applies to an AR-15.

Apples and Zebras huh ?

The two are not comparable at all but good try. You should learn why the 14th came about in the first place, then you can have an intelligent conversation.

20 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

Apples and Zebras huh ?

The two are not comparable at all but good try. You should learn why the 14th came about in the first place, then you can have an intelligent conversation.

 U.S. Const. Amend. XIV, § 1, provides:
All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are
citizens of the United States and of the State wherein
they reside.

 

Here's the text. So most of the argument will be what "subject to the jurisdiction " constitutes.

Good. Taking out the trash.

1 hour ago, angryguy said:

Sometimes i do think i may be a troll but the news from the UK is very real and to be frank the left cannot do anything anymore to hide it

 

That really depends on where you're getting your news from, same as in America. Choose your own affirmation echo chamber.

25 minutes ago, Real Name Hidden said:

Bruce Lee, born in San Francisco, was an 'anchor' baby

 

Yeah, but Chuck Norris, born in Ryan, OK isn't.

3 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

One can maybe say the 14th amendment and the prevailing Supreme Court precedent are out of date as they were passed when international travel was far more difficult if not impossible to accommodate a 9-month pregnancy

 

I wrote this above.

 

From the Sauer Supreme Court petition:

 

Similarly, the erroneous extension of citizenship to the children of temporarily present aliens has led to widespread birth tourism. Birth tourism “demeans the naturalization process by monetizing the privilege of U.S. citizenship.”  It also flouts U.S. law stating that birth tourism is not a valid basis for a visa.

 

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

 U.S. Const. Amend. XIV, § 1, provides:
All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are
citizens of the United States and of the State wherein
they reside.

 

Here's the text. So most of the argument will be what "subject to the jurisdiction " constitutes.

I said you need to learn "Why" it came about. 
I didn't ask you what it said, we learned that by the 5th grade.

The argument is going to be that ANCHOR BABIES ARE NOT what it was intended for. 

2 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

I said you need to learn "Why" it came about. 
I didn't ask you what it said, we learned that by the 5th grade.

The argument is going to be that ANCHOR BABIES ARE NOT what it was intended for. 

The question presented is whether the Executive Order complies on its face with the Citizenship Clause and with 8 U.S.C. 1401(a), which codifies that Clause.

5 hours ago, morrobay said:

No the child should not be granted citizenship. That's what this is about. End of story.And it gets worse: These so called anchor babies enable the illegal  parents to apply for US citizenship. This issue should be in the domain of executive order 

Don't agree with the US Constitution? Change it ... end of story. It has been changed how man times already?

5 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

The constitution is a changeable document when the right reason and events show good cause.

 

Which hundreds of dead children at their schools obviously aren't. What's so special about this one  eh?

24 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

I said you need to learn "Why" it came about. 
I didn't ask you what it said, we learned that by the 5th grade.

The argument is going to be that ANCHOR BABIES ARE NOT what it was intended for. 

 

Neither are Armalite rifles what the right to bear arms was about. But I don't hear anyone whinging about that despite a long trail of schoolchild corpses.

Difficult topic since my grandparents from Sweden  were illegal when my dad was born in the USA.  

Anybody with intelligence will understand that there is a higher power at play here and there is a bigger agenda at  play here. Do not be confused by the shiny objects being tossed in front of you to keep your attention. Look behind the scenes to see what policies and what parts of the constitution are being tested to disappear. This isn’t the Cheeto. He’s just a puppet and he’s the  perfect puppet because he’s too stupid and too egocentric to realize he’s being used as the puppet. 

 and the best way to do that is to divide the people and cause them to quarrel amongst themselves so they don’t see what’s going on behind them.  ( this is a classic technique for doing a takeover whether it’s business or country)

This is not about red and blue. This is not about democrat versus Republican. 

This is about causing conflict within the people using gender, gay, abortion, and prejudice as the hot topic buttons to keep people occupied while things happen in the background. You’re going to have an option soon if you don’t have it already.

 Stand up and bring our country back to what it used to be.  Or allow it to become what they have planned for it. Americans it’s your choice.  

I honestly think personally that people don’t have the balls anymore. They’re too busy being digital creators sitting on their cell phones and being self indulgent. Don’t worry about anything that’s not right in front of them. 

 

And always remember the following.

And economy, run by banks will never allow with people to have any money 

A medical system run by doctors will never be healthy 

Research companies founded by pharmaceuticals will never find cures. 

1 hour ago, WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot said:

 

Anybody with intelligence will understand that there is a higher power at play here and there is a bigger agenda at  play here. Do not be confused by the shiny objects being tossed in front of you to keep your attention. Look behind the scenes to see what policies and what parts of the constitution are being tested to disappear. This isn’t the Cheeto. He’s just a puppet and he’s the  perfect puppet because he’s too stupid and too egocentric to realize he’s being used as the puppet. 

 and the best way to do that is to divide the people and cause them to quarrel amongst themselves so they don’t see what’s going on behind them.  ( this is a classic technique for doing a takeover whether it’s business or country)

This is not about red and blue. This is not about democrat versus Republican. 

This is about causing conflict within the people using gender, gay, abortion, and prejudice as the hot topic buttons to keep people occupied while things happen in the background. You’re going to have an option soon if you don’t have it already.

 Stand up and bring our country back to what it used to be.  Or allow it to become what they have planned for it. Americans it’s your choice.  

I honestly think personally that people don’t have the balls anymore. They’re too busy being digital creators sitting on their cell phones and being self indulgent. Don’t worry about anything that’s not right in front of them. 

 

And always remember the following.

And economy, run by banks will never allow with people to have any money 

A medical system run by doctors will never be healthy 

Research companies founded by pharmaceuticals will never find cures. 

Bingo!!nicely written to kudos!!

 

Birth tourism needs to be banned, I'm sure Trump will handle it.

 

I'm waiting for the usual suspects to chime in and say it's racism and fascist.

 

https://www.voanews.com/a/saipan-a-birth-tourism-destination-for-chinese-mothers-/7970287.html

 

https://www.amdoc.org/news-events/pov-presents-how-to-have-an-american-baby

16 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

Right now, the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution guarantees birthright citizenship. It is the ONLY amendment with which I don't agree... but will defend because, right now, it's the law. I'd like to see that law change.

 

Personally, I don't think ANYONE should automatically be given citizenship.

I think we should have to work for it; working either in civil service to the United States or Military service. But there should be some requirement other than just that happenstance of being born. A year or two spent working, supporting, or protecting the country that protects and supports us isn't too much to ask. I've believed that since I was a teenager, which is one of the reasons I enlisted in the Military. Many countries have a 1-2 year service requirement for EVERY person who reaches the right age.

 

A lot of us gave all we had in service to our country. Many of us still wear the scars from Military service. Hundreds of thousands of Civil Servants dedicated their lives to working for the United States of America.

Those of us who work for our country certainly have the right to be called not just citizens, but patriots.

To me, just being born somewhere is an act of nature, and should not be a guarantee of citizenship.

 

What an idiotic post. So you're born somewhere and later they decide you're not a citizen? What then, send you to a prison camp somewhere where people of no nationality are forced to live?

There are many ways to stop birth-tourism.

Obligation of legal residency until the baby’s majority when he can choose his or her citizenship. Until then the child has the citizenship of his or her parents.

Attached the legal residency to the fiscal residency obliging the parents to file their worldwide income tax returns and pay taxes due to the state of citizenship. It would stop fiscal evasion due to multiple citizenships.

Obligation to serve in the armed forces when reaching the appropriate age (both genders) either in peace times as well as war times. Serving in another country armed forces would automatically void your citizenship unless there is an agreement between both countries.

Obligation to speak, read and write the language of your country of citizenship and have a basic knowledge of its history and laws.

Make revocation of citizenship easier for the government due to fraud, false representation, criminal activities, terrorism, treason or espionage. The legal tools are available but rarely used.

We have to go back to jus sanguinis instead of jus soli.

28 minutes ago, Nid_Noi said:

There are many ways to stop birth-tourism.

Obligation of legal residency until the baby’s majority when he can choose his or her citizenship. Until then the child has the citizenship of his or her parents.

Attached the legal residency to the fiscal residency obliging the parents to file their worldwide income tax returns and pay taxes due to the state of citizenship. It would stop fiscal evasion due to multiple citizenships.

Obligation to serve in the armed forces when reaching the appropriate age (both genders) either in peace times as well as war times. Serving in another country armed forces would automatically void your citizenship unless there is an agreement between both countries.

Obligation to speak, read and write the language of your country of citizenship and have a basic knowledge of its history and laws.

Make revocation of citizenship easier for the government due to fraud, false representation, criminal activities, terrorism, treason or espionage. The legal tools are available but rarely used.

We have to go back to jus sanguinis instead of jus soli.

Like your handle nicely written and thought out post but I disagree perhaps women who are in late term pregnancy should be denied visas.heres a bit of trivia the late king was born in the states so guess he was a dual citizen?I don’t know and I’m sure there’s folks on here that could enlighten us.anyway it will take a change to the constitution to kill it.kinda think this whole thing is just a distraction from trump’s decades long close friendship with one of the most prolific child rapists in our history.

8 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Birth tourism needs to be banned, I'm sure Trump will handle it.

From the Birthright executive order:

 

(b) The heads of all executive departments and agencies
shall issue public guidance within 30 days of the date of this
order regarding this order's implementation with respect to
their operations and activities. 

 

So they will have 30 days to figure it out but -- as per the Justice Kavanaugh queries to SG Sauer above -- they haven't figured it out yet

4 hours ago, Tug said:

Like your handle nicely written and thought out post but I disagree perhaps women who are in late term pregnancy should be denied visas.heres a bit of trivia the late king was born in the states so guess he was a dual citizen?I don’t know and I’m sure there’s folks on here that could enlighten us.anyway it will take a change to the constitution to kill it.kinda think this whole thing is just a distraction from trump’s decades long close friendship with one of the most prolific child rapists in our history.

 

I THINK women who are in late term pregnancy are denied visas.  Could be wrong.