21 hours ago, newnative said:

      Here's a news flash.  If you're running a business you're looking to sell a product, be it a restaurant meal, a hotel room booking, a souvenir, a widget, whatever.  Selling keeps you in business, and if you don't sell, you'll soon be out of business.

     It doesn't much matter where the customer is from, or whether you personally like them or not--you're selling them a product, not marrying them.  If you don't get a tourist into that hotel room you have, that day's revenue for that room is lost for good, no way to get it back.

     When my spouse and I have a property for sale, we could care less where the buyer is from; we're delighted to sell to anyone who shows up with the right amount of money in hand.  Again, not marrying them, or likely ever hanging out with them.   It's no different if you're an astute business owner, running a business, which can be a challenge.

     In your clueless post, there was one nugget of truth: 'your partner's business needing chinese money'.   Yes, indeed.   Needing Chinese money.  Needing Indian money.  Needing Russian money.  Needing American money.  Etc., etc.   Most tourist businesses will be needing, and welcoming, money from all tourists.  

    By the way, these days Chinese tourists are around 80% independent travelers.  They are going where they want to go, seeing what they want to see, staying where they want to stay, and eating where they want to eat.  That was also the case, pre-covid, but it was around 64% independent travelers then,  and it has been increasing.

Another biased comment. Full of BS. When i talk to thai people with various business nearly all state the same thing they cause more problems than most tourists and as for 84% independent travellers😱 I’d love to see where you got that information from 😤  have you a crystal ball on your table?

27 minutes ago, Reddavy said:

Another biased comment. Full of BS. When i talk to thai people with various business nearly all state the same thing they cause more problems than most tourists and as for 84% independent travellers😱 I’d love to see where you got that information from 😤  have you a crystal ball on your table?

 

His comment is not based on his or your lack of stats, it is based on common sense and simple logic.

 

15 hours ago, Reddavy said:

Another biased comment. Full of BS. When i talk to thai people with various business nearly all state the same thing they cause more problems than most tourists and as for 84% independent travellers😱 I’d love to see where you got that information from 😤  have you a crystal ball on your table?

      Information provided by Google and sometimes TAT.  By the way, it was 80%, not 84%.   You can always find someone to say something bad about something.  We've had several posts with an alternative take from yours regarding Chinese tourists. 

      When you have millions of tourists visiting, whether Chinese, Russian, Indian, or whatever, you're going to get some not-so good ones.  Cost of doing business.  It remains that Chinese tourists, even with their diminished nummbers this year, remain the number 1 revenue source for Thailand regarding international tourists.   An astute tourist business owner likely will not be turning away the number 1 revenue stream for his business.  

    I'm curious what exactly was BS with my post--maybe you can be specific.  You may not like it because it doesn't fit your narrative but it's a fact that pre-covid, around 64% of Chinese travelers to Thailand were independent travelers.  Google says it is now around 80%.  No BS there.  The rest of my post was mainly regarding running a business--and pretty basic, no-nonsense remarks, at that.   BS or not, when I have a property to sell I will continue to welcome all buyers--and I have sold to a wide range of buyers from different countries. 

7 hours ago, newnative said:

      Information provided by Google and sometimes TAT.  By the way, it was 80%, not 84%.   You can always find someone to say something bad about something.  We've had several posts with an alternative take from yours regarding Chinese tourists. 

      When you have millions of tourists visiting, whether Chinese, Russian, Indian, or whatever, you're going to get some not-so good ones.  Cost of doing business.  It remains that Chinese tourists, even with their diminished nummbers this year, remain the number 1 revenue source for Thailand regarding international tourists.   An astute tourist business owner likely will not be turning away the number 1 revenue stream for his business.  

    I'm curious what exactly was BS with my post--maybe you can be specific.  You may not like it because it doesn't fit your narrative but it's a fact that pre-covid, around 64% of Chinese travelers to Thailand were independent travelers.  Google says it is now around 80%.  No BS there.  The rest of my post was mainly regarding running a business--and pretty basic, no-nonsense remarks, at that.   BS or not, when I have a property to sell I will continue to welcome all buyers--and I have sold to a wide range of buyers from different countries. 

So you believe google and TAT 🤣🤣🤣 Say’s it all really 🙈

23 hours ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

 

His comment is not based on his or your lack of stats, it is based on common sense and simple logic.

 

Of course it is and a crystal ball. 😤

41 minutes ago, Reddavy said:

So you believe google and TAT 🤣🤣🤣 Say’s it all really 🙈

     You're welcome to provide any stats you have to back up your position.  Information compiled by Google and TAT isn't very far apart with the stats they provide.  For example, one had UK visitors to Thailand in 2019 at something like 994,000 and the other had it around 940,000.  Not much difference.  With Chinese spending, I think one had it around 46,000 or 47,000 baht and the other had it at 50,000 baht.   Again, little difference.  I've never seen a huge difference with any of the numbers.  Google has Malaysian spending per visitor to Thailand on the low side, 28,700 baht.  Makes sense to me as a lot of the visits are quick jaunts across the border. 

     What stats do you find suspect, and why?  I know TAT gets a lot of ridicule but they put out bad news, as well as good.  They can't be happy with the Chinese numbers this year but there they are, not hidden.  In 2014, the year of the coup, visitors to Thailand dropped.  Likely embarrassing to the generals but there's the drop--published by TAT for all to see.   No fudging of the numbers that year to curry favor. 

     I'm certainly happy to have my thinking adjusted.  For example, pre-covid I was living at Northshore condo on Pattaya Beach Road.  I would often see groups of Chinese tourists walking across Beach Road from their hotels, most of them with a matching hotel towel around their necks, off to their day trip to the islands.

     My perception at that time was that probably 75% of the Chinese tourists visiting Thailand were in tour groups.  The reality, however, was that over 60% of the Chinese tourists were traveling independently then, which was pointed out to me by a poster on AN.   Google pegs the percentage even higher in recent years.  Whatever the exact figure, it's clear that the majority of the Chinese tourists to Thailand right now are independent travelers. 

     

On 10/4/2025 at 3:40 PM, Reddavy said:

Of course it is and a crystal ball. 😤

 

As is yours it seems, you spoke to a few people, you do know that does not constitute a real set of stat? And then you decided 2 + 2 = 10,0000  😀

19 hours ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

 

As is yours it seems, you spoke to a few people, you do know that does not constitute a real set of stat? And then you decided 2 + 2 = 10,0000  😀

Yeah and must be called gypsy rose lee

1 hour ago, Reddavy said:

Yeah and must be called gypsy rose lee

 

That name has been taken, you will have to choose a different name to call yourself. 😄