Toby Rogers reminds us of the fact that the CDC’s own research showed that the protection from the vaccine, if any, was between months two and six, and by six months it showed negative efficacy.

 

Source: https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/clip-2-from-the-sept-9-senate-hearing

 

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Transcript of an excerpt from the Sept 9 Senate Hearing [emphasis added] 

 

[Toby Rogers] I want to add to this debate. I watched every single meeting of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices and the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee in 2021, 2022, and 2023 when all these Covid shots were being authorized for use in this country.

And after a while, the CDC’s own research showed that the protection from the vaccine, if any, was between months two and six, and by six months it showed negative efficacy.

So I’m watching the hearings on my computer screen at home. I’m yelling at the screen… The Covid shots have negative efficacy after six months! Tell me how a shot with negative efficacy is saving lives!? And it has the worst side effect profile of any vaccine in human history. So how exactly is a vaccine with the worst side effects and negative efficacy saving lives? That’s a preposterous claim!

What ended the Covid pandemic was the Omicron variant that was more transmissible but less lethal. The vaccine? How many people it helped? I think it’s an open debate. It could be a net negative.

[Aaron Siri] Well maybe we can look at the clinical trial data in which 21 people died in the vaccinated group and 17 died in the placebo group.

 

The article features a short clip of the above testimony. 

You can watch the full 3-hour event here:

https://thehighwire.com/ark-videos/senate-hearing-how-the-corruption-of-science-has-impacted-public-perception-policies-regarding-vaccines/

 

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To start, that headline claim MAY be true based on the vaccine's ability to prevent mere COVID infections many months after vaccination, as has been the case for quite a long time now.

 

But the primary point of the vaccines is to prevent serious medical illness and hospitalization and death. And the current evidence continues to show the vaccines do that at six months and beyond....

 

 

AND

 

Per CDC staff:

 

"VE against critical illness, regardless of variant predominance, was 48% (95% CI, 40%-55%) during 7 to 299 days after vaccination. VE was 68% (95% CI, 56%-76%) during 7 to 59 days after vaccination and 16% (95% CI, −6 to 34%) at 180 to 299 days after vaccination"

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2835590#:

 

So the claim above entirely misses the point and is misleading -- which is of course what anti-vaxers do.

 

But it also speaks to a broader issue with the ACIP panel as remade by anti-vaxer supreme Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

 

The claims and testimony presented at CDC ACIP meetings are no longer credible or reliable because HHS Sec. Kennedy has remade the panel in his own image, firing the entire panel membership and replacing them en masse with anti-vaxers and vaccine skeptics largely with little professional knowledge or experience in the field of vaccines, prevented CDC staff from vetting content presented for credibility and accuracy, removing the nation's major medical associations from participating in ACIP's work groups, and appointing a "vaccine misinformation superspreader" to be the ACIP member leading the reviews of vaccines.

 

The result:

 

"RFK Jr. has handpicked every member, and many are not experts in this space and have built careers—and fortunes—by sowing doubt about vaccines. So it wasn’t surprising that today’s discussion felt less like a scientific review and more like a Jerry Springer show: performative, at times absurd, and littered with red flags. There were multiple falsehoods, repeated mistakes, and comments that revealed more ideology and incompetence than evidence. To make matters worse, at the end, one of the members’ hot mics caught him saying he didn’t know what he just voted for."

 

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/measles-and-hep-b-vaccine-changes

 

AND

 

"here are just a few of the claims that made me want to hide under my fuzzy cheetah robe:

• DNA contamination in vaccines (in 2025? Really?)

• Claiming insufficient evidence means vaccines are unsafe (that's... not how evidence works)

• Suggesting vaccines cause "dangerous" anti-idiotype antibodies (these are actually normal parts of immune regulation)

• Mouse brain changes should guide human vaccine policy (the changes were temporary and, well, in mice)

• Subclinical myocarditis causing sudden death (Levi claimed this based on a study where 21 out of 44 million people died—a 0.000048% rate. Meanwhile, myocarditis from actual COVID infection is both more common and more severe)"

https://theunbiasedscipod.substack.com/p/acip-day-2-when-i-became-all-seven

 

 

And the guy orchestrating the whole RFK Jr. ACIP charade was this guy:

Head of New Federal COVID Vaccine Task Force Is a COVID Myth Superspreader

"What happened: The head of a new federal task force charged with reviewing the safety of COVID-19 vaccines has spread multiple false claims about the vaccines, including in a X video with 2.5 million views where he said that the vaccines are responsible for an “unprecedented level of harm.”

 

Context: In June, Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. appointed Retsef Levi, an MIT operations management professor, to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s vaccine advisory panel. Levi is now leading the panel’s new working group tasked with reviewing data to “help develop COVID-19 immunization policy options,” according to a document on the agency’s website.

 

A closer look: Levi, who does not have a medical degree, has a long record of spreading false claims about COVID vaccines. 

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1371550-report-misinfo-peddler-named-by-rfk-jr-to-review-vaccine-safety/#comment-20053062

 

The CDC's ACIP panel under RFK Jr. is no longer a credible or reliable information source for vaccine information and recommendations.

 

 

16 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

First, the source for the supposed claims above is some guy who believes and says:

 

"The pharmaceutical industry floods the market with expensive, toxic, and useless drugs because that increases the wealth and power of the ruling class.

Regulatory capture is the reason the FDA approves those drugs.

Epistemic capture is the reason your doctor doesn't know the drugs are toxic.

Cultural and media capture are why your neighbor keeps going back for more while getting sicker & sicker.

We must break the hegemony of this grotesque system if we are to survive and be free."

 

Second, the claims and testimony presented at CDC ACIP meetings are no longer credible or reliable because HHS Sec. (and primo anti-vaxer) Robert F. Kennedy has remade the panel in his own image, firing the entire panel membership and replacing them en masse with anti-vaxers and vaccine skeptics largely with little professional knowledge or experience in the field of vaccines, prevented CDC staff from vetting content presented for credibility and accuracy, removing the nation's major medical associations from participating in ACIP's work groups, and appointing a "vaccine misinformation superspreader" to be the ACIP member leading the reviews of vaccines.

 

The result:

 

"RFK Jr. has handpicked every member, and many are not experts in this space and have built careers—and fortunes—by sowing doubt about vaccines. So it wasn’t surprising that today’s discussion felt less like a scientific review and more like a Jerry Springer show: performative, at times absurd, and littered with red flags. There were multiple falsehoods, repeated mistakes, and comments that revealed more ideology and incompetence than evidence. To make matters worse, at the end, one of the members’ hot mics caught him saying he didn’t know what he just voted for."

 

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/measles-and-hep-b-vaccine-changes

 

AND

 

"here are just a few of the claims that made me want to hide under my fuzzy cheetah robe:

• DNA contamination in vaccines (in 2025? Really?)

• Claiming insufficient evidence means vaccines are unsafe (that's... not how evidence works)

• Suggesting vaccines cause "dangerous" anti-idiotype antibodies (these are actually normal parts of immune regulation)

• Mouse brain changes should guide human vaccine policy (the changes were temporary and, well, in mice)

• Subclinical myocarditis causing sudden death (Levi claimed this based on a study where 21 out of 44 million people died—a 0.000048% rate. Meanwhile, myocarditis from actual COVID infection is both more common and more severe)"

https://theunbiasedscipod.substack.com/p/acip-day-2-when-i-became-all-seven

 

 

And the guy orchestrating the whole RFK Jr. ACIP charade was this guy:

Head of New Federal COVID Vaccine Task Force Is a COVID Myth Superspreader

"What happened: The head of a new federal task force charged with reviewing the safety of COVID-19 vaccines has spread multiple false claims about the vaccines, including in a X video with 2.5 million views where he said that the vaccines are responsible for an “unprecedented level of harm.”

 

Context: In June, Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. appointed Retsef Levi, an MIT operations management professor, to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s vaccine advisory panel. Levi is now leading the panel’s new working group tasked with reviewing data to “help develop COVID-19 immunization policy options,” according to a document on the agency’s website.

 

A closer look: Levi, who does not have a medical degree, has a long record of spreading false claims about COVID vaccines. 

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1371550-report-misinfo-peddler-named-by-rfk-jr-to-review-vaccine-safety/#comment-20053062

 

The CDC's ACIP panel under RFK Jr. is no longer a credible or reliable information source for vaccine information and recommendations.

 

 

how can you say and prove that this new Covid boss for HHS is peddling lies and/or false claims. 

Simply because they do not coincide with your beliefs that every good said about the Covid vaccines were true. There are hundreds of reports and doctors that tried to show proof of the problems related to the Covid vaccines. Most were silenced or scandalized to prevent beliefs that what they were saying had any truth to them. 

The governments tried to force everyone to get the vaccines that had no long term research done on them. Results of efficacy varied as well as so so many deaths occurring without being associated with the vaccine as the direct cause of death. Hiding the truth of whether or not the vaccine really worked or if it cause more problems relating to deaths. 

I am just glad I was not forced to give the vaccine to my children. I can die from something the vaccine has caused, but my kids will not have their bodies corrupted by a vaccine where so many lies have been given to cover up the truth of it. By the way, I am not an anti-vaccer. My kids have gotten all required vaccines that the US CDC recommended. Except the Covid vaccine. 

As the CDC has previously reported on the longer-lasting benefits of COVID vaccination against critical illness and death from COVID:

 

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/acip/downloads/slides-2024-10-23-24/04-COVID-Link-Gelles-508.pdf

 

10 minutes ago, thesetat said:

how can you say and prove that this new Covid boss for HHS is peddling lies and/or false claims. 

 

I'm not the source for those facts and news report wording reposted below. Fact checking service NewsGuard is:

 

NewsGuard

https://www.newsguardrealitycheck.com/p/cdcs-new-vaccine-panel-head-is-a?open=false#§head-of-new-federal-covid-vaccine-task-force-is-a-covid-myth-superspreader

 

Re fact-checking service NewsGuard:

"NewsGuard combines human expertise and technology to provide data, analysis and journalism that helps enterprises and consumers identify reliable information online.

We are a strictly nonpartisan organization with investors and leadership from across the political spectrum."

 

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Head of New Federal COVID Vaccine Task Force Is a COVID Myth Superspreader

"What happened: The head of a new federal task force charged with reviewing the safety of COVID-19 vaccines has spread multiple false claims about the vaccines, including in a X video with 2.5 million views where he said that the vaccines are responsible for an “unprecedented level of harm.”

 

Context: In June, Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. appointed Retsef Levi, an MIT operations management professor, to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s vaccine advisory panel. Levi is now leading the panel’s new working group tasked with reviewing data to “help develop COVID-19 immunization policy options,” according to a document on the agency’s website.

 

A closer look: Levi, who does not have a medical degree, has a long record of spreading false claims about COVID vaccines."

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1371550-report-misinfo-peddler-named-by-rfk-jr-to-review-vaccine-safety/#comment-20053062

Because the ACIP panel has been credibility compromised, most of  the major medical associations in the U.S., and quite a few U.S. states on their own, have now issued COVID vaccine recommendations that differ from those put forward by ACIP and Kennedy's FDA agency, as follows:

 

"For children: While the CDC currently advises parents of children ages 6 months to 17 years to consult with a doctor about vaccinating them, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the AAFP both explicitly recommend COVID vaccinations for babies ages 6 through 23 months and for older high-risk children.

 

“We know that the youngest children, those 6 to 23 months, are at risk for more severe infection,” says Kristina Bryant, MD, professor of pediatrics in the Division of Pediatric Infectious Diseases at the University of Louisville School of Medicine and a member of the AAP’s Committee on Infectious Diseases."

 

AND

 

"For adults: Although the CDC recommends a COVID vaccination only for adults 65 and older or those with high-risk conditions, the AAFP [American Association of Family Physicians] continues to recommend that all individuals 18 and older receive an updated COVID shot each year.

 

Adults 65 and older are the most likely to be hospitalized and die from COVID, and while the rates of both have declined since the pandemic’s peak, COVID still caused some 48,000 deaths in 2024, data show."

 

Association of American Medical Colleges

https://www.aamc.org/news/your-fall-2025-vaccine-guide

 

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

[Aaron Siri] Well maybe we can look at the clinical trial data in which 21 people died in the vaccinated group and 17 died in the placebo group.

 

And here's what anyone needs to know about Kennedy ally and anti-vaxer attorney Aaron Siri:

 

Kennedy’s Lawyer Has Asked the F.D.A. to Revoke Approval of the Polio Vaccine

 

Aaron Siri, who specializes in vaccine lawsuits, has been at Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s side reviewing candidates for top jobs at the Department of Health and Human Services.

 

Dec. 15, 2024

 

"The lawyer helping Robert F. Kennedy Jr. pick federal health officials for the incoming Trump administration has petitioned the government to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine, which for decades has protected millions of people from a virus that can cause paralysis or death.

 

That campaign is just one front in the war that the lawyer, Aaron Siri, is waging against vaccines of all kinds.

,,,

Mr. Siri is also representing ICAN in petitioning the F.D.A. to “pause distribution” of 13 other vaccines, including combination products that cover tetanus, diphtheria, polio and hepatitis A, until their makers disclose details about aluminum, an ingredient researchers have associated with a small increase in asthma cases."

...

After this article was published online, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, a survivor of childhood polio, said in a statement: “Efforts to undermine public confidence in proven cures are not just uninformed — they’re dangerous.”

 

(more)

 

New York Times

https://archive.ph/5Gs5S