9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

There is proof that millions have died from viruses, so I'm not sure who's opinion you're speaking of.Cells constantly die, and are replaced by new ones. Some things enter the body and wreak havoc with those cells, and have them deteriorate at a rate faster than the body can repair itself. 

Where is there this 'proof' Sir?

 

Pathogenic viruses have NEVER been shown to exist. 

 

It is true what you say about cells and body tissues. In fact the human body replenishes itself (99% of it) before that person gets past their mid 20s. But not after.

 

I'll tell you what does wreak havoc; vaccines and Big Pharma drugs. Most of them prescribed by the white-coats.

5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Where is there this 'proof' Sir?

 

Pathogenic viruses have NEVER been shown to exist. 

 

It is true what you say about cells and body tissues. In fact the human body (99%) changes itself before that person gets past their mid 20s. But not after.

 

I'll tell you what does wreak havoc; vaccines and Big Pharma drugs. Most of them prescribed by the white-coats.

It isn't hard to find studies online. It's also easy to find those, in their own opinions and without studies, to disprove them. Vaccines cause some damage, but compared to death, which is a very rare occurrence, the side effects has you still alive. And viruses have been proven to exist. Easy to find links, which of course some won't believe because Buddy at the corner bar said they don't, and seeing Buddy is a nice guy who seems smart and wouldn't lie, people believe him. One fact remains. Almost all of the people who died from Covid and not from comorbidities didn't get a vaccine, and millions have been saved from Polio alone by it's vaccine. 

4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

    Source: https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/california-county-official-reinstates-mask-mandate-in-certain-health-care-facilities-5924896

= = =

Yep, but it's not only in so-called Health Care facilities 

...

An official in California’s Yolo County said last month that residents were advised to wear masks indoors because of COVID-19.

“Based on current wastewater levels of the virus that causes COVID-19, I recommend that everybody in West Sacramento wear a mask when they are around others in indoor public spaces,” Aimee Sisson, the Yolo County health officer, said in the statement.

The most recent data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) show that the rates of positive tests and emergency department visits across the United States are continuing to fall.

...

 

 

Idiots, some people even put masks on their dogs and post pictures of them online.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

It isn't hard to find studies online. It's also easy to find those, in their own opinions and without studies, to disprove them. Vaccines cause some damage, but compared to death, which is a very rare occurrence, the side effects has you still alive. And viruses have been proven to exist. Easy to find links, which of course some won't believe because Buddy at the corner bar said they don't, and seeing Buddy is a nice guy who seems smart and wouldn't lie, people believe him. 

Really Fred?! Too much MSM for you Sir.

 

Where is there a study/experiment/paper that shows that a virus has been isolated?

 

The nearest any white-coat has come to do that is Dr Enders' experiment in 1954. Why not read the accompanying paper if you are not sure; and want to know the truth?

3 hours ago, novacova said:

Face diaper hysterics back in fashion 

I actually do not understand the rational or fascination that non-wearers of mask always jump out immediately to slam anyone wearing a mask.  If complained about someone not wearing a mask then they get really fired up that I am trying to step on their rights - why don't up non-wearers of masks just sit back and ignore those of us that decide to wear a mask?  I worked in many capital cities around the world, all heavily polluted and I was an avid runner training every day.  The visiting doctors always advised me of the pollutants locally and advised the wearing of masks I did so.  A friend, a fellow runner world class in one of those locales did not wear a mask.  When that person, a diplomat return to her country, as always the physical was perormed and she did great except at the end, the doctors said that she had to give up smoking which shocked her since she had never smoked at all.  They showed her the xrays of her lungs and instead of a pink color, they were gray and the doctors indicated that that shade represented approximately a pack a day smoker!  After that she began wearing mask too during her times on the street.  They may not stop every thing but hopefully just that one particular bug.  I and my family continue wearing masks when we go out, some folks do, many (especially foreigners do not) but that is their right too.  I don't belittle them nor do I care about them but I just don't inderstand why they continue to make jokes about me and those of us that decide to wear the masks.

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Really Fred?! Too much MSM for you Sir.

 

Where is there a study/experiment/paper that shows that a virus has been isolated?

 

The nearest any white-coat has come to do that is Dr Enders' experiment in 1954. Why not read the accompanying paper if you are not sure; and want to know the truth?

No, I go by studies and evidence, and not opinions that are biased.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8578003/

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

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My destination: tomorrow evening, the Naga Fireballs event in Nong Khai.

 

16 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, I go by studies and evidence, and not opinions that are biased.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8578003/

Sir! I'm fully aware of this site you directed me to.

 

Read the methodology in these so-called isolation experiments. Growing an entity in a petri dish is not isolation. It is scientifically dishonest for them to claim isolation. They simply didn't. And they do not do a control. Why not? Anyone with any clinical knowledge would know why they don't. Although in saying that; virologists are constantly moving goalposts and changing 'their' interpretation of what words actually mean.

 

Dr Enders, in 1954, provided the method of 'isolation' that us still used to this day.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Sir! I'm fully aware of this site you directed me to.

 

Read the methodology in these so-called isolation experiments. Growing an entity in a petri dish is not isolation. It is scientifically dishonest for them to claim isolation. They simple didn't. and they do not do a control. Anyone with any clinical knowledge would know why they don't. Although in saying that; virologists are constantly moving goalposts and changing 'their' interpretation of what word actually mean.

 

Dr Enders, in 1954, provided the method of 'isolation' that us still used to this day.

Like I said, I go by studies done by those trained in the field, and not conspiracy theorists who are biased. It's easy to find more links, and if you dismiss everything the professionals say, that means you're going by the opinions of those not in the field. 

14 minutes ago, Presnock said:

I actually do not understand the rational or fascination that non-wearers of mask always jump out immediately to slam anyone wearing a mask.  If complained about someone not wearing a mask then they get really fired up that I am trying to step on their rights - why don't up non-wearers of masks just sit back and ignore those of us that decide to wear a mask?  I worked in many capital cities around the world, all heavily polluted and I was an avid runner training every day.  The visiting doctors always advised me of the pollutants locally and advised the wearing of masks I did so.  A friend, a fellow runner world class in one of those locales did not wear a mask.  When that person, a diplomat return to her country, as always the physical was perormed and she did great except at the end, the doctors said that she had to give up smoking which shocked her since she had never smoked at all.  They showed her the xrays of her lungs and instead of a pink color, they were gray and the doctors indicated that that shade represented approximately a pack a day smoker!  After that she began wearing mask too during her times on the street.  They may not stop every thing but hopefully just that one particular bug.  I and my family continue wearing masks when we go out, some folks do, many (especially foreigners do not) but that is their right too.  I don't belittle them nor do I care about them but I just don't inderstand why they continue to make jokes about me and those of us that decide to wear the masks.

 

Agree that masks can be useful to at least diminish pollution entering your lungs in heavily contaminated areas.  

However, they are totally useless to prevent you from catching Covid-19 or spreading it to others. 

 

The headline is about wearing a mask in a hospital. Small price to pay for something that may help. A lot of people died in nursing homes during covid and keeping them separated and using masks likely helped quite a lot. People who I think deep down know there anti vaccine theories aren't flash love to jump on something to suggest the other side are the ignorant ones. 

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Like I said, I go by studies done by those trained in the field, and not conspiracy theorists who are biased. It's easy to find more links, and if you dismiss everything the professionals say, that means you're going by the opinions of those not in the field. 

They are fraudulent studies Fred mate.

 

A FOI sent to all the world's medical agencies of note, and to all the countries in the world, resulted in NOT ONE of then saying they had evidence of an isolated virus. Why? Because they had not got any evidence. Pathogeboc viruses no not exist. 

 

You, along with millions of other, with their heads in the sand, are being played. 

https://bio.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Microbiology/Microbiology_(OpenStax)/06%3A_Acellular_Pathogens/6.03%3A_Isolation_Culture_and_Identification_of_Viruses

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

They are fraudulent studies Fred mate.

 

A FOI sent to all the world's medical agencies of note, and to all the countries in the world, resulted in NOT ONE of then saying they had evidence of an isolated virus. Why? Because they had not got any evidence. Pathogeboc viruses no not exist. 

 

You, along with millions of other, with their heads in the sand, are being played. 

Maybe it's you that has his head in the sand, as, who are you believing? I'm in the middle politically, preferring to sit back and wait for the truth to come out, and only believe when there is evidence from a few sources, as there is.How would i be played? I received the vaccines when I was young, and I took the Covid ones. I'm still here so maybe they worked.and I'm thinking millions are here because they took vaccines also, and also,most of the people that died from viruses were not vaccinated. 

4 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

The headline is about wearing a mask in a hospital. Small price to pay for something that may help. A lot of people died in nursing homes during covid and keeping them separated and using masks likely helped quite a lot. People who I think deep down know there anti vaccine theories aren't flash love to jump on something to suggest the other side are the ignorant ones. 

Yeah.  I went to a doctor in a hospital a few days ago.  They gave me a mask to wear whilst in there.  Not to protect me, but to protect others if I had something to "share". I've got no issues with that, irrespective of the scientific reality of whether a mask will protect others or not.  The mask was not to protect me; I'd rather be exposed than not as what doesn't kill me makes me stronger.  A mantra I got from my parents who never cared too much if I got muddied.

2 minutes ago, Watawattana said:

I'd rather be exposed than not as what doesn't kill me makes me stronger.

 

That may have some meaning in life about overcoming challenges and adversities. But viruses and diseases don't work that way....

 

It's the people who were NOT exposed who managed to stay healthy and alive... unlike too many of their exposed peers.

 

 

--AI assisted

 

4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

residents were advised

Is that a mandate?

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

That may have some meaning in life about overcoming challenges and adversities. But viruses and diseases don't work that way....

 

It's the people who were NOT exposed who managed to stay healthy and alive... unlike too many of their exposed peers.

 

 

--AI assisted

 

I wasn't talking about Ebola, I was meaning things like colds and COVID that can cause an illness rather than a disease.  Your AI quote is true of course.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

https://bio.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Microbiology/Microbiology_(OpenStax)/06%3A_Acellular_Pathogens/6.03%3A_Isolation_Culture_and_Identification_of_Viruses

Utter nonsense to say any any of these is isolation/purification.

 

There are gold ln standards (GS) for lab work, and there has never been an experiments that adheres to the GS points. The first one is isolate the entity; in this case a virus

 

A virus, a name given to an entity, is only apparent when the cell dies. It is itself dead, and is a part of general cell debris.

 

Stefan Lanka has done repeated experiments, and here explains Koch's Postulates.

 

 

Dr Cowan spills the virus beans.

 

https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/has-a-virus-ever-actually-been-shown-to-exist

 

And. Part one of three.

 

https://odysee.com/@januszkowalskii1979:e/Farewell-to-Virology-(Steve-Falconer-and-Dr.-Mark-Bailey)-pt1:1

 

3 minutes ago, Watawattana said:

I wasn't talking about Ebola, I was meaning things like colds and COVID that can cause an illness rather than a disease.  Your AI quote is true of course.

 

And it was talking about illnesses too....

 

"A mild illness can still carry health risks, and a severe disease can have devastating long-term health consequences."

 

COVID and flu both can cause mild illness and severe disease, depending in the specific case.

 

 

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I received the vaccines when I was young, and I took the Covid ones. I'm still here so maybe they worked. and I'm thinking millions are here because they took vaccines also, and also, most of the people that died from viruses were not vaccinated.

Good you are still alive and kicking Sir.

 

A few posters on these health threads, presented by John and Red, have a different experience with vaxxes they had.

9 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Utter nonsense to say any any of these is isolation/purification.

 

There are gold ln standards (GS) for lab work, and there has never been an experiments that adheres to the GS points. The first one is isolate the entity; in this case a virus

 

A virus, a name given to an entity, is only apparent when the cell dies. It is itself dead, and is a part of general cell debris.

 

Stefan Lanka has done repeated experiments, and here explains Koch's Postulates.

 

 

Dr Cowan spills the virus beans.

 

https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/has-a-virus-ever-actually-been-shown-to-exist

 

And. Part one of three.

 

https://odysee.com/@januszkowalskii1979:e/Farewell-to-Virology-(Steve-Falconer-and-Dr.-Mark-Bailey)-pt1:1

 

Does it matter? This is about wearing masks, which is always a good idea and can save some from getting sick or making others sick. Vaccines work, and have for a very long time. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a screw loose, and is very naive, believing people that spout bias, instead of going by facts.

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Dr Cowan spills the virus beans.

 

https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/has-a-virus-ever-actually-been-shown-to-exist

 

Still peddling the same false nonsense:

 

'Proof' the virus behind COVID-19 doesn't exist fails basic biology test

 

AAP FactCheck

November 13, 2020

 

"An Instagram post claims that COVID-19 does not exist because the virus that causes the disease has never been isolated.

 

"Research shows the [COVID]virus was isolated early in the outbreak and has since been isolated many times in multiple countries.

 

An article in the Bulletin of the World Health Organization said researchers first isolated the virus in December 2019, and in February scientists analysed the genome from 10,022 samples to understand its variability. 

 

An article published in the journal Nature in February11 detailed how SARS-CoV-2, a novel coronavirus, was isolated by scientists in Wuhan."

 

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/proof-the-virus-behind-covid-19-doesnt-exist-fails-basic-biology-test/

 

And more broadly:

 

 

--AI assisted

 

7 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Good you are still alive and kicking Sir.

 

A few posters on these health threads, presented by John and Red, have a different experience with vaxxes they had.

What does it matter if a vaccine hurts a few but saves many? That's what happens with all drugs, with thousands killed every year by a doctor's over prescribing, which is factual and not biased.

18 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Is that a mandate?

From the OP: 

...

An official in California’s Yolo County said last month that residents were advised to wear masks indoors because of COVID-19.

“Based on current wastewater levels of the virus that causes COVID-19, I recommend that everybody in West Sacramento wear a mask when they are around others in indoor public spaces,” Aimee Sisson, the Yolo County health officer, said in the statement.

The most recent data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) show that the rates of positive tests and emergency department visits across the United States are continuing to fall.

...

 

Nope, not mandated, but that loony advised/recommended that EVERYBODY in West Sacramento wears a mask when around others in indoor public spaces.  

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Where is there this 'proof' Sir?

 

Pathogenic viruses have NEVER been shown to exist. 

 

It is true what you say about cells and body tissues. In fact the human body replenishes itself (99% of it) before that person gets past their mid 20s. But not after.

 

I'll tell you what does wreak havoc; vaccines and Big Pharma drugs. Most of them prescribed by the white-coats.

This seems to argue that point..https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK26917/

19 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

What does it matter if a vaccine hurts a few but saves many? That's what happens with all drugs, with thousands killed every year by a doctor's over prescribing, which is factual and not biased.

''THE PERSON MOST LIKELY TO KILL YOU IS YOUR DOCTOR.''

 

Dr Vernon Coleman.

 

''THEY WANT YOUR MONEY AND YOUR LIFE.''

 

www.vernoncoleman.com

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

This seems to argue that point..https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK26917/

So does Dr Roytas.

 

in his book Can You Catch a Cold.

 

www.CanYouCatchaCold.com

 

www.humanley.com

Don't suppose any of you Anti-vaxers or Conspiracy spreaders will believe this but here you go. One of your Anti -Vaxers on here aked if there is evidence of a Pathogene killing anyone. Well TB is a Pathogene that is one of the Worlds killers years ago and is still killing people now. Watch the video and make your mind up. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Dr Enders, in 1954, provided the method of 'isolation' that us still used to this day.

 

Never heard of him. Is he one of the few that get your approval?