... visit the following website, if you can stomach it. Documented accounts and images of the horrors of October 7, 2023.  NOT for the faint of heart.

 

Imagine this was YOUR country, where peaceful people were murdered by their neighbours, neighbours they helped. Neighbours whose children they treated in their clinics.

 

If you are Canadian, imagine 5,000 dead and 1,000 hostages.

If you are British, imagine 10,000 of your countryment slaughtered, and 2,000 taken as hostages.

If you are American, it rises to over 40,000 butchered, and 8,000 taken as hostages.

 

What would YOU want your government to do?

 

https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

AI has this to say about that site.  I didn't look at the site by the way.  We all know what happened, attempts to portray pro-Israeli justification for genocide are not useful right now.

 

Another poster on another thread, summed it up with "An independent thinker should consider all sides of the equation. Ask why people do that as well as condemning any inhuman action. Root cause is what they argue about. I’m not connected to either side. Just looking at it objectively it is Israel that started it all by trying to resurrect their glory days of king David ie restore the original land by stealing it from whoever is living there Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan etc. scary thing is they’re committed to expanding even more than what they have stolen already. But it is starting to backfire and likely the region will be pissed off so much that they’ll turn on them. American support is dwindling as they start to see the real Israel. "

 

The website www.hamas-massacre.net presents a strongly pro-Israel perspective, with a focus on documenting and emphasizing the atrocities committed by Hamas during the October 7, 2023 attacks. Its content includes graphic images, videos, and testimonies that highlight acts of murder, rape, and kidnapping allegedly carried out by Hamas militants. The site describes the events as “the deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust,” and uses emotionally charged language such as “massacre,” “terrorists,” and “war crimes.”

🧭 Bias Indicators

• Narrative framing: The site centers exclusively on Israeli victims and Hamas-perpetrated violence, without contextualizing the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict or acknowledging Palestinian casualties or grievances.

• Language use: Terms like “butchered,” “gang rape,” and “slaughtered” are used repeatedly, which signals a highly emotive and one-sided portrayal.

• Omission of counter-narratives: There is no mention of the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, Israeli military actions, or international legal debates—suggesting a lack of balance.

🔍 Intended Purpose

The site appears designed to:

• Justify Israeli military actions against Hamas

• Influence public opinion by evoking strong emotional reactions

• Counter narratives that might downplay or deny the severity of the October 7 attacks

🧠 Summary

This is not a neutral or journalistic source. It functions more as a memorial and advocacy platform for Israeli victims, with a clear political and emotional agenda. While the documentation may be factual in parts, its framing is unambiguously partisan.

34 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

AI has this to say about that site.  I didn't look at the site by the way.  We all know what happened, attempts to portray pro-Israeli justification for genocide are not useful right now.

 

Another poster on another thread, summed it up with "An independent thinker should consider all sides of the equation. Ask why people do that as well as condemning any inhuman action. Root cause is what they argue about. I’m not connected to either side. Just looking at it objectively it is Israel that started it all by trying to resurrect their glory days of king David ie restore the original land by stealing it from whoever is living there Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan etc. scary thing is they’re committed to expanding even more than what they have stolen already. But it is starting to backfire and likely the region will be pissed off so much that they’ll turn on them. American support is dwindling as they start to see the real Israel. "

 

The website www.hamas-massacre.net presents a strongly pro-Israel perspective, with a focus on documenting and emphasizing the atrocities committed by Hamas during the October 7, 2023 attacks. Its content includes graphic images, videos, and testimonies that highlight acts of murder, rape, and kidnapping allegedly carried out by Hamas militants. The site describes the events as “the deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust,” and uses emotionally charged language such as “massacre,” “terrorists,” and “war crimes.”

🧭 Bias Indicators

• Narrative framing: The site centers exclusively on Israeli victims and Hamas-perpetrated violence, without contextualizing the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict or acknowledging Palestinian casualties or grievances.

• Language use: Terms like “butchered,” “gang rape,” and “slaughtered” are used repeatedly, which signals a highly emotive and one-sided portrayal.

• Omission of counter-narratives: There is no mention of the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, Israeli military actions, or international legal debates—suggesting a lack of balance.

🔍 Intended Purpose

The site appears designed to:

• Justify Israeli military actions against Hamas

• Influence public opinion by evoking strong emotional reactions

• Counter narratives that might downplay or deny the severity of the October 7 attacks

🧠 Summary

This is not a neutral or journalistic source. It functions more as a memorial and advocacy platform for Israeli victims, with a clear political and emotional agenda. While the documentation may be factual in parts, its framing is unambiguously partisan.

Wow, what a surprise. A website that shows in graphic detail the crimes of Hamas centres exclusively on Hamas-perpetrated violence on October 7. Whoda thunk it? 

 

Yes, it is a memorial and advocacy platform. Because people forget all too easily what singular event was the precursor to the present conflict. 

 

Note that your "analysis" did not dispute that all the images and videos are accurate representations of what happened. And that many are stomach churning.  If you want to know why Gaza is in flames now, look no further than October 7. 

 

The bottom line is that upwards of 65,000 Gazans would be alive today had Hamas and their Gazan allies not committed the heinous massacre that was October 7. It's really that simple. 

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

The bottom line is that upwards of 65,000 Gazans would be alive today had Hamas and their Gazan allies not committed the heinous massacre that was October 7. It's really that simple. 

 

Nonsense, it's anything but that simple.

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Nonsense, it's anything but that simple.

Explain. 

 

Would the IDF be in Gaza now if October 7 had not happened? 

Self defence. 

 

God bless Tsahal.

11 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Explain. 

 

Would the IDF be in Gaza now if October 7 had not happened? 

 

As I said earlier....

 

Another poster on another thread, summed it up with "An independent thinker should consider all sides of the equation. Ask why people do that as well as condemning any inhuman action. Root cause is what they argue about. I’m not connected to either side. Just looking at it objectively it is Israel that started it all by trying to resurrect their glory days of king David ie restore the original land by stealing it from whoever is living there Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan etc. scary thing is they’re committed to expanding even more than what they have stolen already. But it is starting to backfire and likely the region will be pissed off so much that they’ll turn on them. American support is dwindling as they start to see the real Israel. "

5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

As I said earlier....

 

Another poster on another thread, summed it up with "An independent thinker should consider all sides of the equation. Ask why people do that as well as condemning any inhuman action. Root cause is what they argue about. I’m not connected to either side. Just looking at it objectively it is Israel that started it all by trying to resurrect their glory days of king David ie restore the original land by stealing it from whoever is living there Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan etc. scary thing is they’re committed to expanding even more than what they have stolen already. But it is starting to backfire and likely the region will be pissed off so much that they’ll turn on them. American support is dwindling as they start to see the real Israel. "

Ive seen your posts and you definitely are on the anti west side of the war, ignoring thailands racism while shaming white racism

7 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Ive seen your posts and you definitely are on the anti west side of the war, ignoring thailands racism while shaming white racism

 

I'm not on the "anti west" side, I stand with many Western countries and institutions calling out the Genocide in Gaza. I do stand against America's support enabling genocide.

 

I disagree with all racism wherever it is and I disagree with all illegal activity like settling the West Bank.

38 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I'm not on the "anti west" side, I stand with many Western countries and institutions calling out the Genocide in Gaza. I do stand against America's support enabling genocide.

 

I disagree with all racism wherever it is and I disagree with all illegal activity like settling the West Bank.

So of course, you also disagree with the genocide that Hamas celebrates, as well as the genocide taught in Gaza schools to children, am I right?

 

"Root cause" doesn't cause mass rape, desecration of corpses, mutilation of living victims, and celebration of atrocities. These things can only be explained by a sick culture that has immersed itself in the toxic stew of hatred and jealousy, such as in Gaza for the past half century. 

 

Hamas criminals did not slice the breasts off of women as they were being raped because of King David's ambitions. 

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

The bottom line is that upwards of 65,000 Gazans would be alive today had Hamas and their Gazan allies not committed the heinous massacre that was October 7. It's really that simple. 

 

You can't have a meaningful dialogue with someone who believes this kerfuffle started on October 7.

 

What happened on that day was an abomination.  But it didn't happen out of the clear blue.  And there were no 5 year old kids doing it.  Yet there are 5 year old kids being punished indiscriminately.

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

AI has this to say about that site.  I didn't look at the site by the way.  We all know what happened, attempts to portray pro-Israeli justification for genocide are not useful right now.

 

Another poster on another thread, summed it up with "An independent thinker should consider all sides of the equation. Ask why people do that as well as condemning any inhuman action. Root cause is what they argue about. I’m not connected to either side. Just looking at it objectively it is Israel that started it all by trying to resurrect their glory days of king David ie restore the original land by stealing it from whoever is living there Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan etc. scary thing is they’re committed to expanding even more than what they have stolen already. But it is starting to backfire and likely the region will be pissed off so much that they’ll turn on them. American support is dwindling as they start to see the real Israel. "

 

The website www.hamas-massacre.net presents a strongly pro-Israel perspective, with a focus on documenting and emphasizing the atrocities committed by Hamas during the October 7, 2023 attacks. Its content includes graphic images, videos, and testimonies that highlight acts of murder, rape, and kidnapping allegedly carried out by Hamas militants. The site describes the events as “the deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust,” and uses emotionally charged language such as “massacre,” “terrorists,” and “war crimes.”

🧭 Bias Indicators

• Narrative framing: The site centers exclusively on Israeli victims and Hamas-perpetrated violence, without contextualizing the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict or acknowledging Palestinian casualties or grievances.

• Language use: Terms like “butchered,” “gang rape,” and “slaughtered” are used repeatedly, which signals a highly emotive and one-sided portrayal.

• Omission of counter-narratives: There is no mention of the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, Israeli military actions, or international legal debates—suggesting a lack of balance.

🔍 Intended Purpose

The site appears designed to:

• Justify Israeli military actions against Hamas

• Influence public opinion by evoking strong emotional reactions

• Counter narratives that might downplay or deny the severity of the October 7 attacks

🧠 Summary

This is not a neutral or journalistic source. It functions more as a memorial and advocacy platform for Israeli victims, with a clear political and emotional agenda. While the documentation may be factual in parts, its framing is unambiguously partisan.

Your side lost. The Jews won. All your dreams are dashed.

23 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

So of course, you also disagree with the genocide that Hamas celebrates, as well as the genocide taught in Gaza schools to children, am I right?

 

 

More 2 + 2 = 5

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Your side lost. The Jews won. All your dreams are dashed.

 

Do you think perhaps you are encouraging anti-semitism?

 

 

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

More 2 + 2 = 5

There is no genocide. If there's a genocide we will let you know. Because our side one and we make the rules.

 

Until then, you guys can crawl back under your rock and wait for the next excuse to hate Jews.

 

Guess there ain't going to be no Palestine anymore either hahaha

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Because people forget all too easily what singular event was the precursor to the present conflict. 

Like the oppression of the Palestinians?

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Do you think perhaps you are encouraging anti-semitism?

 

 

Doesn't matter. A Jew haters going to be a Jew hater no matter what, and if they  are a Jew hater, then they arent smart enough or sane enough to have their minds changed by facts and logic.

 

I'll tell you what discourages anti-Semitism though: fighting anti semites with techniques like exploding pagers and silenced 22s. I expect you'll see a lot of the latter in Europe soon.

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Like the oppression of the Palestinians?

Made up history. Like I said you're never going to convince a Jew hater of anything.

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Like the oppression of the Palestinians?

Gaza was not occupied on October 6, 2023. The Jews had all left. Sadly and ironically, the Israelis who were victimized on October 7 were actually friends of the Gazans. They CHOSE to live close to the border with Gaza. They opened their communities to Gazans. They gave them work, they gave medicine to their sick children.  They wanted a Two State Solution. They were peaceniks. 

 

And how were they repaid? WIth murder, carnage, and destruction. The very same Gazans who were welcomed into the kibbutzim by the Israelis were the ones who secretly drew maps and gathered intelligence. They also actively participated in the massacre.  They were not oppressed by their neighbours. 

 

If they had a beef with the Israeli government, they could have taken it up with them. Or even the IDF, who had bases in the area. But instead, they chose- CHOSE to victimize the innocent civilians who had done nothing but treat them with kindness. 

 

This is a part of the story that rarely gets told, and is also why the website in my original post is so important. It shows that the Hamas/Gazan crimes were not merely a reaction to decades of oppression. Instead, they were a sick orgy of violence with few parallels in human history.

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Doesn't matter. A Jew haters going to be a Jew hater no matter what, and if they  are a Jew hater, then they arent smart enough or sane enough to have their minds changed by facts and logic.

 

I'll tell you what discourages anti-Semitism though: fighting anti semites with techniques like exploding pagers and silenced 22s. I expect you'll see a lot of the latter in Europe soon.

 

I think you are dead wrong.

 

You assume anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint is a jew hater.  I have lunch every Tuesday with one of my best friends, an Israeli Jew, I'm having lunch with him today too. I can disagree with what Israel is doing (as do many Jews) without being a Jew hater.

 

You only engender disgust when you make comments like "Your side lost. The Jews won. All your dreams are dashed." and "Until then, you guys can crawl back under your rock and wait for the next excuse to hate Jews.".

 

This reflects incredibly badly on you and your values.

10 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Gaza was not occupied on October 6, 2023. The Jews had all left. Sadly and ironically, the Israelis who were victimized on October 7 were actually friends of the Gazans. They CHOSE to live close to the border with Gaza. They opened their communities to Gazans. They gave them work, they gave medicine to their sick children.  They wanted a Two State Solution. They were peaceniks. 

 

And how were they repaid? WIth murder, carnage, and destruction. The very same Gazans who were welcomed into the kibbutzim by the Israelis were the ones who secretly drew maps and gathered intelligence. They also actively participated in the massacre.  They were not oppressed by their neighbours. 

 

If they had a beef with the Israeli government, they could have taken it up with them. Or even the IDF, who had bases in the area. But instead, they chose- CHOSE to victimize the innocent civilians who had done nothing but treat them with kindness. 

 

This is a part of the story that rarely gets told, and is also why the website in my original post is so important. It shows that the Hamas/Gazan crimes were not merely a reaction to decades of oppression. Instead, they were a sick orgy of violence with few parallels in human history.

So you're seriously claiming Palestinians were not oppressed prior to 07/10/2023?

24 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You can't have a meaningful dialogue with someone who believes this kerfuffle started on October 7.

 

What happened on that day was an abomination.  But it didn't happen out of the clear blue.  And there were no 5 year old kids doing it.  Yet there are 5 year old kids being punished indiscriminately.

True. but there were a LOT of 5 year old kids (and younger) who were slaughtered by Hamas and their supporters on October 7.  

 

As for "indiscriminately", the only indiscriminate thing happening is Hamas using children as meat shields indiscriminately.  They are cowards. Their fat leaders dine on caviar in Cairo and Dubai, their "military" commanders cower behind women and children.  They are beneath contempt.  And the sooner they are removed from human society, the better off everyone will be.

14 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

This reflects incredibly badly on you and your values

That's fine, but The USA still won. Winners decide what the values are, losers have no say. Some of your best friends are Jews I'm sure oops Guess you already said that

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So you're seriously claiming Palestinians were not oppressed prior to 07/10/2023?

I think the west bank folks have more of a legitimate position than Gaza.  

 

And even if they WERE suffering due to the blockade by Israel, there were better ways to express their discomfort. They didn't storm the border with Egypt, even though Egypt also is a 100% participant in keeping Gaza surrounded. They didn't attack the IDF. They didn't attempt to strike at the Israeli government, or leaders.

 

No, instead they took the coward's way. They victimized the innocent. They backstabbed the people in Israel who treated them with the most kindness and dignity. They murdered children attending a concert. They beheaded foreign workers whose only crime was trying to make money to send home. 

 

Oppression had very little to do with October 7.  It was all about creating maximum disgust and horror, as documents found and intelligence gleaned from captured "fighters" has shown. It was all about provoking a reaction from Israel, which would then bring down the rest of the Muslim world to kill the Jews. 

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I think the west bank folks have more of a legitimate position than Gaza.  

 

And even if they WERE suffering due to the blockade by Israel, there were better ways to express their discomfort. They didn't storm the border with Egypt, even though Egypt also is a 100% participant in keeping Gaza surrounded. They didn't attack the IDF. They didn't attempt to strike at the Israeli government, or leaders.

 

No, instead they took the coward's way. They victimized the innocent. They backstabbed the people in Israel who treated them with the most kindness and dignity. They murdered children attending a concert. They beheaded foreign workers whose only crime was trying to make money to send home. 

 

Oppression had very little to do with October 7.  It was all about creating maximum disgust and horror, as documents found and intelligence gleaned from captured "fighters" has shown. It was all about provoking a reaction from Israel, which would then bring down the rest of the Muslim world to kill the Jews. 

Strange you're not answering the question. 

Were Palestinians being oppressed before 07/10/2023 yes or no.

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Strange you're not answering the question. 

Were Palestinians being oppressed before 07/10/2023 yes or no.

If you mean the ones living in the West Bank, then yes. They have legitimate grievances.

If you mean Gazans, then no. Certainly not to the same extent. 

 

And they had myriad other ways to express their discontent. Did they not? Yes or no. 

6 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I think the west bank folks have more of a legitimate position than Gaza.  

 

And even if they WERE suffering due to the blockade by Israel, there were better ways to express their discomfort. They didn't storm the border with Egypt, even though Egypt also is a 100% participant in keeping Gaza surrounded. They didn't attack the IDF. They didn't attempt to strike at the Israeli government, or leaders.

 

No, instead they took the coward's way. They victimized the innocent. They backstabbed the people in Israel who treated them with the most kindness and dignity. They murdered children attending a concert. They beheaded foreign workers whose only crime was trying to make money to send home. 

 

Oppression had very little to do with October 7.  It was all about creating maximum disgust and horror, as documents found and intelligence gleaned from captured "fighters" has shown. It was all about provoking a reaction from Israel, which would then bring down the rest of the Muslim world to kill the Jews. 

And they failed miserably. If anything, Israel is now one of the preeminent powers in the world and we have reestablished our position as the ones who decide what happens.. Time for the next step, Iran, Russia, North Korea. Then the greatest threat to humanity after those little nitpicks are done, the xenophobic, racist and murderous Han socialist empire

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

And they failed miserably. If anything, Israel is now one of the preeminent powers in the world and we have reestablished our position as the ones who decide what happens.. Time for the next step, Iran, Russia, North Korea. Then the greatest threat to humanity after those little nitpicks are done, the xenophobic, racist and murderous Han socialist empire

 

Dream on 

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

If you mean the ones living in the West Bank, then yes. They have legitimate grievances.

If you mean Gazans, then no. Certainly not to the same extent. 

 

And they had myriad other ways to express their discontent. Did they not? Yes or no. 

I don't understand how anyone can honestly state Palestinians are not being oppressed.

 

And yes, they have expressed their discontent many times.

46 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Your side lost. The Jews won. All your dreams are dashed.

 

Nobody's winning this one.  And at the rate that Israel is creating new enemies, they'll still be fighting in 50,75, and 100 years. 

 

Unless one of their enemies gets the bomb.