October 14, 2025Oct 14 Author 11 hours ago, Harrisfan said: Genes. You arent meant to be skinny. Well, everyone can get skinny. But some people need way more effort. But I was watching a bodybuilding channel. He says there are different body types. The really skinny guys will have a lot of trouble putting on muscle if they ever lift weights.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 1 minute ago, save the frogs said: Well, everyone can get skinny. But some people need way more effort. But I was watching a bodybuilding channel. He says there are different body types. The really skinny guys will have a lot of trouble putting on muscle if they ever lift weights. Why bother? You will be dead soon. People over 60 should enjoy their lives.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 1 minute ago, save the frogs said: Well, everyone can get skinny. But some people need way more effort. But I was watching a bodybuilding channel. He says there are different body types. The really skinny guys will have a lot of trouble putting on muscle if they ever lift weights. Ectomorph, mesomorph, endomorph ,and a major reason some stay slimmer eating the same foods as others.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said: Dried fruits have always been on the no eat list, as they're high in sugar and it's easy to eat many without thinking how many calories you're putting in. I love them, especially dates, mango, jackfruit, apples, peaches and many others, but they're only an occasional snack, and only a couple of pieces.The whole fruit is better, as it's satiating and has more water, so you eat less. Very easy to eat 10 dried pieces of fruit but try it with 10 whole fruits. Definitely about moderation, which means just a couple pieces. I would usually eat about 3 pcs, maybe 3 times a day, spaced out, as there's always a container on the dining table. Wife pointed out that I did eat about 7-8 pcs at once. Pointed it out while she was snacking on them, while watching a vid. Ate about 4 pcs while telling me this, and within 5 mins, probably ate as many as I did at once. Oops, reality check This CGM is very enlightening, and surprising. Going to have a '7-11 day', this week, as bought my usual suspects yesterday, that I get when O&A, and see how spike, or not, since usually a pasta or rice dish.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 Apart from joint pain no reason to lose weight. Skinny folks are all miserable.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 1 minute ago, Harrisfan said: Apart from joint pain no reason to lose weight. Skinny folks are all miserable. Of course if you leave out high blood pressure, hypertension, heart and other cardiovascular problems, possible stroke, liver problems, diabetes, arthritis, low self esteem and possible depression, there aren't too many other reasons to lose weight. Being lean helps with many factors of life, which are obvious.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 On 10/12/2025 at 8:13 AM, save the frogs said: I still cannot get my weight down to being slim. Then your issue is calories in vrs calories out. Less calories in than calories out. Lose weight be slimmer. It's as simple as that.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 Just now, fredwiggy said: Of course if you leave out high blood pressure, hypertension, heart and other cardiovascular problems, possible stroke, liver problems, diabetes, arthritis, low self esteem and possible depression, there aren't too many other reasons to lose weight. Being lean helps with many factors of life, which are obvious. So why are skinny folks miserable?
October 14, 2025Oct 14 1 minute ago, Harrisfan said: So why are skinny folks miserable? Have Malcy take a poll to see if that's a valid statement.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 1 hour ago, fredwiggy said: Of course if you leave out high blood pressure, hypertension, heart and other cardiovascular problems, possible stroke, liver problems, diabetes, arthritis, low self esteem and possible depression, there aren't too many other reasons to lose weight. Being lean helps with many factors of life, which are obvious. Yep ... there's a lot of overweight people. There's a lot of very old people. There are not a lot of very old, overweight people. My ideal weight is 75 kg, if I'm hitting 80, time to pay attention.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 On 10/12/2025 at 8:13 AM, save the frogs said: I still cannot get my weight down to being slim. When I want to keep track of food, or know what I'm eating (fat / protein / carbs) I use this, (link below) and put 'EVERYTHING' I eat in it, while weighing each item also. Easier if a home cook. You'll be surprised how all the calories add up fast. https://foods.fatsecret.com/Diary.aspx?pa=fj&dt=20376 Enter what closely resembles what your eating, some things exact, and I enter everything in grams. Some things you need to guess at. It breaks it down, then if click on the item, get nutrient levels.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 Author 10 hours ago, KhunLA said: When I want to keep track of food, or know what I'm eating (fat / protein / carbs) It's a lot of work. And if the weight is not going down, you still need to figure out what to tweak. I have no idea how many carbs I am supposed to be eating. Some "influencers" are down to 0 carbs, other guys say you need at least 100 - 150 grams per day and they still stay slim. So I need to make one small change, then experiment for a couple of months to see if the weight is coming off. Otherwise I won't know exactly what to tweak. I'll try to work it out. In the extreme case, you can fast one day a week. There are tricks that acceleerate the weight loss process. I am trying to avoid that, but I may go down that road.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 22 minutes ago, save the frogs said: It's a lot of work. And if the weight is not going down, you still need to figure out what to tweak. .... I have no idea how many carbs I am supposed to be eating. ... Some "influencers" are down to 0 carbs, other guys say you need at least 100 - 150 grams per day and they still stay slim. So I need to make one small change, then experiment for a couple of months to see if the weight is coming off. Otherwise I won't know exactly what to tweak. I'll try to work it out. In the extreme case, you can fast one day a week. There are tricks that acceleerate the weight loss process. I am trying to avoid that, but I may go down that road. That's your problem. If you don't know exactly what you're eating, fat/protein/carb breakdown, total calories in, then you can't control the intake. Stop listening to influencers, as most are idiots ... IMHO Always extreme recommendations for clicks 🙄 You can fill up meat and eggs, and not be hungry all day. Eat cereal, then toast. You be back at the table in an hour or so, after the sugar crash, Eat more carbs ... then crash again, eat again & repeat. For me now, not eating after 6 pm, then overnight fast till almost noon the next day, and I'm almost dieting during the 6-8 hrs of sleep, midnight till waking, 6-8 am. Have coffee, read the internet, stay active till that late 'Break Fast'. Usually fat & protein (eggs+meat). That usually holds me over till dinner. maybe a snack in between. Heavy dinner or heavy snack w/lite dinner. But then nothing after 6 pm. All digested before midnight, then sleep time, and let the ketones do their thing. No carbs in the stomach, so they burn fat. Some walking during the day, help burn a few carbs off. Nothing really intense, more just to keep muscles and joints moving. That really has worked for me, and I stayed beteen 75-80 kgs the past 3+ years, with very little effort, while still enjoying everything I want to eat, in moderation, and spreading the 'desserts' out. Only time I struggle, and gain a kg or 2, is when O&A. But that's short lived, and lost as soon as I'm doing the cooking.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 Author 11 hours ago, KhunLA said: Stop listening to influencers, as most are idiots ... IMHO Always extreme recommendations for clicks It's messed up because people get paid for content. More content = more clicks = more money. And they end up putting out a lot of fake content that gets confusing.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 Author 11 hours ago, KhunLA said: For me now, not eating after 6 pm, then overnight fast till almost noon the next day, Maybe just tweaking my eating window will help. I might cut down to 2 meals per day and skip breakfast. Again, I was influenced by some people I was following. Who had gone from 2 meals a day and then back to 3 meals and giving all sorts of reasons why you shouldn't skip breakfast.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 7 minutes ago, save the frogs said: Maybe just tweaking my eating window will help. I might cut down to 2 meals per day and skip breakfast. Again, I was influenced by some people I was following. Who had gone from 2 meals a day and then back to 3 meals and giving all sorts of reasons why you shouldn't skip breakfast. 'Break Fast' is simply your 1st meal, after your overnight fast. For the ketones to kick in, and break down fats, it should be a 16-18 hr fast, between last meal & break-fast. If your snacking at night, lite food & alcohol, usually carbs, then sleep, then wake 8 ish in the AM, your ketones haven't had time to do anything. Chance are, still digesting carbs, and since sleeping, burning as few as possible, a not needed, then they are actually being stored as fat. That first bit of anything, especially a carb, and you ketones take a break, and now have carbs to burn for quick energy.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 Author 11 hours ago, KhunLA said: 'Break Fast' is simply your 1st meal, after your overnight fast. For the ketones to kick in, and break down fats, it should be a 16-18 hr fast, between last meal & break-fast. If your snacking at night, lite food & alcohol, usually carbs, then sleep, then wake 8 ish in the AM, your ketones haven't had time to do anything. Chance are, still digesting carbs, and since sleeping, burning as few as possible, a not needed, then they are actually being stored as fat. That first bit of anything, especially a carb, and you ketones take a break, and now have carbs to burn for quick energy. I will try your recommendation to cut down the eating window from 11 AM to around 5 or 6 PM. But maybe I need to give myself 3 months to see if it works. If it doesn't then I will move on to Plan B. If I change too many things at the same time, it gets confusing and I don't know what works and what doesn't. Thanks! Lock this thread up.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 2 hours ago, save the frogs said: The really skinny guys will have a lot of trouble putting on muscle if they ever lift weights. Yeah, that's me. Not that I'm skinny; fat % is a bit too high. I tried to lots of weights in the past, but shape didn't change, although I definitely got stronger and felt better. I used to be around 250lbs (111kg). I got sick and that dropped to 185lbs (84kg). Not a recommended way to lose weight. My BMI at that time was 23, but my doctor bitched at me as she felt, despite the "normal" BMI, I was far too far underweight. I'm currently 210lbs (95kg, BMI 26) and doc thinks I'm "a bit chubby". Hahahahaha. But otherwise healthy (apart from a biopsy currently being checked for cancer). 2 months ago I was 225 lb (102kg). The way I've lost the weight is walking more and being more careful with food. Not running as my joints its won't take too much running, and I have not stopped the beer (carbs). I usually only have 2 meals per day, and don't snack too much. It's worked for me. I should go back to doing some weights as that makes me feel better. Edit - the 2 meals are usually around 11am and about 7pm.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 On 10/12/2025 at 8:13 AM, save the frogs said: I have been going to the gym several times a week and walking daily. I still cannot get my weight down to being slim. So I think carbs do not work for me at all. I was following several health influencers who were doing high carb and they all manage to stay slim somehow. But I have experimented with the most amount of exercise I can possibly do. I can't exercise much more than I am now. Carbs do not seem to work for me. I hardly ever work out and I am slim at my old age. Much of it has to do with genetics but most is that I just do not eat much at all. You are what you eat.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 I got my expected pasta induced glucose spike, and pretty much exactly what I expected, 39.6 mg/dl spike. I could have minimized it, by eating some eggs before the pasta. Maybe 2 eggs & half the pasta serving. I ate it at 10:15 and it spiked up to 9.5 from 7.3 ... But I wanted to mirror my eating of that pasta dish, which is when O&A, while charging the car, after taking the dog for a short walk. Which I did before eating, 630m down the soi, for her morning business. That is not something I normally eat for breakfast, unless O&A, @ PTT Park / 7-11. Saying that, the chicken surely helped with the spike, keeping it down vs what this guy's spike was with just a pasta serving. Obviously a different flour used, and he just had pasta alone. vs eating pasta with meat & tomato sauce, half the spike w/ meat & sauce More in line with my pasta today, not having nearly as much meat & sauce.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 10 minutes ago, save the frogs said: I will try your recommendation to cut down the eating window from 11 AM to around 5 or 6 PM. But maybe I need to give myself 3 months to see if it works. If it doesn't then I will move on to Plan B. If I change too many things at the same time, it gets confusing and I don't know what works and what doesn't. Thanks! Lock this thread up. Have a heavy meal for dinner, meat & fibrous veggies, maybe a salad to start. That should hold you over till sleeping. I wake and have 400 ml of coffee, while reading the internet, and no hunger cravings till 11-12, eat then the dog takes me for my morning surfside walk. Maybe 1.5 - 2 kms, in the shade. What, when & how you eat, does make a difference ... Something you may actually eat here ... vs the same steak but heavier on the carb ... enough protein to minimize the spike vs potatoes by themselves ... eye opening. Starchy carbs are not our friends ...
October 14, 2025Oct 14 4 hours ago, fredwiggy said: Ectomorph, mesomorph, endomorph ,and a major reason some stay slimmer eating the same foods as others. The guys i know who are slim have to work at it, have self control, they aren't blaming things outside their control
October 14, 2025Oct 14 6 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said: The guys i know who are slim have to work at it, have self control, they aren't blaming things outside their control Anyone can be slim with knowledge on nutrition and will power, easier if they're in the ectomorph body line. It's mostly what you put in your mouth.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 Again, do not need to make a fuzz about it, find your thing, and stay with it for 3 months and you will lose weight if you sleep enough Drink enough water eat enough protein calorie deficit do some body work out every now and then during the day and not just sit all day long. Follow one for inspiration who teach you how to make proper food, and stop thinking you need to be extreme. Yes Keto is extreme, and yes anything lower than 1500 kalorier is extreme for a grown up man. Do not say he is the best out there, but he certainly makes some good <deleted>
October 14, 2025Oct 14 Author 11 hours ago, Hummin said: Follow one for inspiration who teach you how to make proper food It's not just about carbs and calories. Good luck with those burritos. Wheat is bad for health. Burritos only work if you can source specialty tortilla shells not made with gluten/wheat of any kind. I doubt you can even find decent tortilla shells in Thailand. Maybe on iHerb they sell some. But that's a lot of work. Once in a while maybe, but I will not eat stuff too often where the ingdredients are hard to source. And again, it's not just about weight gain or carbs or calories, but there are reasons to avoid wheat. The stuff will raise your LDL.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 10 minutes ago, save the frogs said: It's not just about carbs and calories. Good luck with those burritos. Wheat is bad for health. Burritos only work if you can source specialty tortilla shells not made with gluten/wheat of any kind. I doubt you can even find decent tortilla shells in Thailand. Maybe on iHerb they sell some. But that's a lot of work. Once in a while maybe, but I will not eat stuff too often where the ingdredients are hard to source. And again, it's not just about weight gain or carbs or calories, but there are reasons to avoid wheat. The stuff will raise your LDL. There is hips of different tortillas, and it doesnt need to be just tortillas, since they making anything and everything. He is just one example with one dish less than 500 calories which is high on protein. I would believe most of us in Thailand do have time to educate our self and also make food throughout the day and the more you do the more efficient you will be, as well counting calories and making standardized meals making it easier to know how much you put in your body each day. A god way to start is to stop making excuses
October 14, 2025Oct 14 Author 11 hours ago, Hummin said: as well counting calories a I may start counting calories. You need an app and a scale, I guess. I need to start weighing everything. A bit of work, but not much work.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 3 hours ago, save the frogs said: Maybe just tweaking my eating window will help. I might cut down to 2 meals per day and skip breakfast. Again, I was influenced by some people I was following. Who had gone from 2 meals a day and then back to 3 meals and giving all sorts of reasons why you shouldn't skip breakfast. Like I mentioned, starving yourself doesn't work. You've gone all your life eating a certain way and trying to change that will give you hell. Never miss breakfast unless you're on a fast of course. Eating the same amount you would normally eat in 5 meals instead of 3 has you not storing so many . I've done this for 50 years and had hundreds follow my advice and lose weight. Some very big and some just needed a small loss quick. Look at what you're eating and lower the amount of carbs a bit. Do this every day you'll lose weight, and more important, you're adopting a different lifestyle which will last. It's very simple but many just like eating junk and sugars, and will power doesn't come easy for some.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 22 minutes ago, save the frogs said: It's not just about carbs and calories. Good luck with those burritos. Wheat is bad for health. Burritos only work if you can source specialty tortilla shells not made with gluten/wheat of any kind. I doubt you can even find decent tortilla shells in Thailand. Maybe on iHerb they sell some. But that's a lot of work. Once in a while maybe, but I will not eat stuff too often where the ingdredients are hard to source. And again, it's not just about weight gain or carbs or calories, but there are reasons to avoid wheat. The stuff will raise your LDL. You can find low fat tortillas if you want to eat burritos or tacos, and use ground chicken and low fat cheese. Wheat isn't a problem unless you're intolerant to it. I've eaten pasta weekly all 50 years, along with rice, grains, breads, cereals, chicken, fish, lean pork, venison, yogurt, kimchi, popcorn cooked in oil, nuts, root vegetables, potatoes, corn, almond and soy milks that are unsweetened, veggies and salads with low fat dressings. I do not eat sour cream, butter, fried foods, junk food, juices, mayonnaise, high fat dressings, milk products besides cheese, or processed meats.
October 14, 2025Oct 14 Author 11 hours ago, fredwiggy said: Like I mentioned, starving yourself doesn't work. The body is very complex. Too many calories is bad. Too few calories is also bad because it slows down the metabolism. Regarding meal frequency, there's no general consensus. It's still highly debated. This bodybuilder apparently did 2 meals a day, although most bodybuilders seem to be doing 4-6 meals a day. But bodybuilders work out 6 days a week anyway and are not like normal people.
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