3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

The body is very complex.

 

Too many calories is bad. Too few calories is also bad because it slows down the metabolism.

 

Regarding meal frequency, there's no general consensus. It's still highly debated.

 

This bodybuilder apparently did 2 meals a day, although most bodybuilders seem to be doing 4-6 meals a day.

But bodybuilders work out 6 days a week anyway and are not like normal people. 

 

I worked out 3-4 days a week and ate like a bodybuilder, and still do. They only go real strict before a contest and eat quite a lot the rest of the time, but no junk. There's no tricks. A healthy lifestyle is easy if you have will power. You can eat from all food groups and stay lean. I had a 3-8% body fat from age 18-63, then it's gone up  because of working out less and eating more rice here, but I still have abs and can lose the little bit easy because I stay close all along. You can't expect to stay the same when you get older, but you can be lean.

11 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

You can eat from all food groups and stay lean

 

So keto diet is not needed?

 

And you never did "carb cycling" ie eating fewer carbs on days you didn't work out? 

 

Just now, save the frogs said:

 

So keto diet is not needed?

 

And you never did "carb cycling" ie eating fewer carbs on days you didn't work out? 

 

Keto is good to lose quick, but I wouldn't stay on it too long. I've never changed my eating habits all the years until I moved here, and eat more Thai food and less salads than before. This is another reason I'll move back home. More gym visits and more western food.

Go OMAD! 

 

One meal a day!

 

Eat whatever you want! Just once a day.

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Go OMAD! 

 

One meal a day!

 

Eat whatever you want! Just once a day.

 

It's too hard man !!

 

Also, what's the maximum amount of protein that's safe to eat in one meal? 100 grams? Or ... do we even know? 

 

You've been doing it?

How much weight did you lose ?

 

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

It's too hard man !!

 

Also, what's the maximum amount of protein that's safe to eat in one meal? 100 grams? Or ... do we even know? 

 

You've been doing it?

How much weight did you lose ?

 

 

It's hard, but it's doable, much easier than a real 3 day fast.

 

Very freeing. Food loses all importance.

 

I do it one day off, one day on, so I do OMAD, full carb day, OMAD, full carb day, full fast day, and full carb days at the weekend.

 

30 pounds gone.

 

Proteins intake depends on bodyweight. Go with 0.5 g per pound of bodyweight and work your way up to 1g.

55 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

It's not just about carbs and calories.

 

Good luck with those burritos. Wheat is bad for health. Burritos only work if you can source specialty tortilla shells not made with gluten/wheat of any kind. I doubt you can even find decent tortilla shells in Thailand. Maybe on iHerb they sell some. But that's a lot of work. Once in a while maybe, but I will not eat stuff too often where the ingdredients are hard to source.

 

And again, it's not just about weight gain or carbs or calories, but there are reasons to avoid wheat. The stuff will raise your LDL. 

 

 

If you really want to cut the tortilla carbs out, just throw it all in a bowl, and you have a burrito salad.   I do quite often with 'Tacos', all the insides, without the tortilla, in a bowl and it's a Taco Salad, and tastes just as good.

Healthline has this recommendation, which is as I mentioned, sensible, healthy, gradual loss, no starvation or fad diets, which are temporary and you still go back to being you. Adopting a different way of eating is the best way. Old habits die hard, and radical changes mess with your ingrained lifestyle. This worlds for everyone and a gradual loss means permanent. Most people who diet bounce back and many gain even more the next time around. It's all in your thinking...................https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/30-ways-to-lose-weight-naturally#TOC_TITLE_HDR_13

12 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

It's too hard man !!

 

Also, what's the maximum amount of protein that's safe to eat in one meal? 100 grams? Or ... do we even know? 

 

You've been doing it?

How much weight did you lose ?

 

Protein intake should be about 1.6-2 gr per 1 kg lean body weight.  1.6 gr seems to be the accepted amount, or 2 gr if wanting to keep or build some muscle with age.

 

What you don't want to day, is multi day fasting, as you'll lose muscle mass.   Why intermittent fasting works so good.  Plus half your fasting time, is while you're sleeping.   Doesn't get any easier than that.

It's not about calorie counting or protein counting. It's about controlling your desire to eat and limiting your insulin spikes.

 

It's hormones that keep your fat on your body, because insulin spikes prevent the body from using fat stores for energy.

 

So limit your insulin spikes, and control your desire to eat. Don't focus on calories or proteins.

48 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

I may start counting calories. 

You need an app and a scale, I guess. I need to start weighing everything.

A bit of work, but not much work. 

 

We've had lot's of threads on nutrition, did you learn nothing from them?  Diets like Keto and Carnivore should be a last resort, I don't get it why people can't just eat a balanced diet, no junk. Cooking at home is best, you can control everything 

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

I do it one day off, one day on, so I do OMAD,

 

Some people claim OMAD harms the metabolism.

 

Not saying this guy is right. I really don't know. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Some people claim OMAD harms the metabolism.

 

Not saying this guy is right. I really don't know. 

 

 

Nobody knows. Not enough research.

20 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

We've had lot's of threads on nutrition, did you learn nothing from them?  Diets like Keto and Carnivore should be a last resort, I don't get it why people can't just eat a balanced diet, no junk. Cooking at home is best, you can control everything 

You need to stop bashing Keto, as it has a wide range of 'approved foods' to eat.  It basically cuts sugars and starchy carbs.

 

And Carnivore, if you can stay on it, provides everything a body needs.   Unless you have intense work outs, then you need carbs for energy.   Joe Rogan tried Carnivore and loved it, until time to work out, as he does intense work out, and he was running out of energy, since fats burns carbs.   Carbs have there place, in moderation.

 

Keto foods ... pretty extensive list.  I can't go strict Keto, as I like my pastries, bread & pizza/doughs.

 

https://www.drberg.com/blog/ketogenic-diet-food-list

 

 

11 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Protein intake should be about 1.6-2 gr per 1 kg lean body weight.  1.6 gr seems to be the accepted amount, or 2 gr if wanting to keep or build some muscle with age.

 

What you don't want to day, is multi day fasting, as you'll lose muscle mass.   Why intermittent fasting works so good.  Plus half your fasting time, is while you're sleeping.   Doesn't get any easier than that.

 

One argument against OMAD is that it's impossible to get all your protein requirements in one meal.

Therefore, much of the weight loss from an OMAD diet will likely be muscle loss, and you don't want that. 

 

17 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Some people claim OMAD harms the metabolism.

 

Not saying this guy is right. I really don't know. 

 

 

 

Yeah, that guy is a bit crazy. He's telling people to put butter in their coffee.

 

You harm your metabolism either way. Every time you eat you cause inflammation. So actually OMAD reduces this, as well as insulin spikes, so it's not all that harmful to your metabolism, and certainly less stressful than a full fast.

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

One argument against OMAD is that it's impossible to get all your protein requirements in one meal.

Therefore, much of the weight loss from an OMAD diet will likely be muscle loss, and you don't want that. 

 

 

Whatever diet you go on you'll always lose some muscle. That's why you lift weights whilst you do it, to  counteract that.

 

You can eat a large meal, so you can get your protein requirements, and if not add a vegetable protein shake, but unless you plan to enter a body-building contest it won't be necessary.

For weight loss, it's pretty basic, and simply need to cut saturated fats (other fats good & needed), starchy carbs & sugars as much as possible.  

 

Get some exercise in, if only just walking, or cycling if have bad feet, knees or back.  Add intermittent fasting, and you should lose weight with no problem.

 

Avoid boredom eating.   Any hunger pains, simply drink half a liter of water.  No need to starve yourself.  Little will power and common sense ... keep busy.

 

But you do need to know what you are eating, nutritional value, how to eat it, and how body uses, burns or stores it.

 

Diets don't work.   You're not dieting, you're developing a new eating lifestyle.   Pick something that works, and you can stick with.  Mine works for me, and I find it really easy to stick with.

12 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

One argument against OMAD is that it's impossible to get all your protein requirements in one meal.

Therefore, much of the weight loss from an OMAD diet will likely be muscle loss, and you don't want that. 

 

Just eat in a 4 hour window. Fast 20 hrs. Ive done it 500 times. No negatives or benefits though. I think its all hype. I just do it to save time.

 

Electrolytes are the no 1 thing i find. After that protein and zinc plus sunlight n exercise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  @KhunLADr Berg the chiropractor? I don't listen to them. One of the problems with Keto and Carnivore is lack or fibre plus people don't seem keen to get their blood checked to see impact on cholesterol 

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yeah, that guy is a bit crazy. He's telling people to put butter in their coffee

 

He's not the first person to recommend this.

I think it originates in Tibet and some Westerner copied the idea. 

 

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

He's not the first person to recommend this.

I think it originates in Tibet and some Westerner copied the idea. 

 

 

Dude, it makes sense in Tibet, they're trying to put on as much fat as possible to survive gruelling Himalayan winters.

 

This Youtuber is reccomending it because he says butter will help you burn fat and lose fat.

11 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

  @KhunLADr Berg the chiropractor? I don't listen to them. One of the problems with Keto and Carnivore is lack or fibre plus people don't seem keen to get their blood checked to see impact on cholesterol 

 

Carnivore or even keto may not be healthy for everyone long-term. 

 

Some people seem to do it for years without issues, others appear to develop issues after a while.

 

Problem is it becomes a "cult / religion", so the cult leader pushing the diets will avoid discussing any possible downsides. 

 

Maybe not good to get your opinions from any one person. 

 

Then again, there's people eating 300 grams of carbs a day and staying slim, but that doesn't work for everyone. For some people, that's a total disaster. 

40 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Just eat in a 4 hour window. Fast 20 hrs. Ive done it 500 times. No negatives or benefits though. I think its all hype. I just do it to save time.

 

Electrolytes are the no 1 thing i find. After that protein and zinc plus sunlight n exercise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True, and you also get alot of water with eating meals throughout the day

25 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Problem is it becomes a "cult / religion", so the cult leader pushing the diets will avoid discussing any possible downsides

Yep I've noticed on keto facebook groups they don't like people disagreeing with them, sometimes they block the posts, they prefer brainwashing the gullible

Diet  fads are always the same as advertised. Far more deceptive now with the "amazing" results via AI  imaging.

Only lasting long term strategy is to eat less. exercise more, and learn to tolerate  a degree of real hunger. Thats ¨real¨ hunger vs habitual craving for indulgent habit.

I would be willing to follow the progress of an obese individual who can accept monitoring their diet/exercise program  on a daily basis to ensure no dubious chemical compounds are secretly responsible  for any measurable changes.

Thats even if whatever process involves any one or more of the promoted "free" routines that inevitably involve purchase !

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

One argument against OMAD is that it's impossible to get all your protein requirements in one meal.

Therefore, much of the weight loss from an OMAD diet will likely be muscle loss, and you don't want that. 

 

 

Yah, I had a look at his video. What he's saying is if you ONLY do OMAD every day, all week, all the time, then you don't get enough proteins. However, that's not what I'm doing, as I said, I alternate between OMAD and full carb days. So I actually do get the "feasting" phases he mentions and also enough protein, as I only do two OMAD days per week.

2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

  @KhunLADr Berg the chiropractor? I don't listen to them. One of the problems with Keto and Carnivore is lack or fibre plus people don't seem keen to get their blood checked to see impact on cholesterol 

I'm pretty much on a Keto diet, and I get plenty of fiber, and if looked at the list of foods I posted, or link to even more, you'd realize most of the most fiber rich food, are on the list, and actually 'Keto foods'.

 

Not really Dr Berg fan, but pretty much the only easy source I found with Keto foods.  Of course, nobody has to be strict with any 'diet plan', as I'm not, and eat many foods not recommended by anyone 

 

But what ever the OP has been doing for the last 30 or 40 yrs of adult life, apparently isn't working, and an eating lifestyle change is needed.

 

 

12 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yah, I had a look at his video. What he's saying is if you ONLY do OMAD every day, all week, all the time, then you don't get enough proteins. However, that's not what I'm doing, as I said, I alternate between OMAD and full carb days. So I actually do get the "feasting" phases he mentions and also enough protein, as I only do two OMAD days per week.

 

Thanks. 

I think I will start experimenting with something similar.

 

 

@save the frogs