Just now, MalcolmB said:

There has been hundreds of signs.

You denying it makes you similar to this woman.

She only sees what she wants to see.

LYING again. 

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

We already know that you hate Israel and like Hamas terrorists wish it didn't exist. 

I have never said I like the Hamas freedom fighters.

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

I have never said I like the Hamas freedom fighters.

That's really cute. Freedom fighters. Your sleaze level always increases.

Just now, Jingthing said:

That's really cute. Freedom fighters. Your sleaze level always increases.

Freedom from this terrorist in the OP.

You didn’t even read it or watch it did you?
 

 

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

Freedom from this terrorist in the OP.

You didn’t even read it or watch it did you?
 

 

I am very well aware of that horrible woman.

She has nothing to do with me. 

26 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

That is not true.

 

In total, 1,195 people were killed by the attacks: 736 Israeli civilians (including 38 children), 79 foreign nationals, and 379 members of the security forces.

 

So about a third were security forces.

Plus the IDF were killing Israelis that day rather than let them be taken hostage.

 

 

 

the chaotic hours of October 7 2023 massacre, when militants from Hamas breached the border into Israel and committed horrifying violence, many around the world,including myself, felt immediate outrage and horror. At the time, media coverage and political statements (including from Joe Biden) amplified allegations of beheaded babies and mass-rape. These claims shaped public sentiment strongly, but many of the more extreme versions lack reliable verification.

As the war has unfolded in Gaza, serious questions have arisen about the actions of Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and the government of Israel. For example, the so-called Hannibal Directive - a military protocol originally intended to prevent Israeli soldiers being taken hostage - appears to have been invoked on October 7, despite its being formally ended in 2016. Investigations by the newspaper Haaretz and others found orders such as “Hannibal at Erez” and “not a single vehicle can return to Gaza” under which Israeli vehicles (some carrying hostages) were targeted. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-officers-invoked-defunct-hannibal-protocol-during-oct-7-fighting-report/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

While exact numbers remain unclear, some credible sources argue that the directive’s implementation may have contributed to the deaths of Israelis on that day - civilians and soldiers alike.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel-deployed-controversial-hannibal-directive-during-hamas-attack-report-6057961?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Similarly, the operation known as Operation Shield and Arrow in May 2023 is rarely discussed but is an example of how Israeli military actions preceded the October escalation. In this five-day campaign against Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Gaza, the IDF struck senior commanders and hundreds of targets. Palestinian casualties numbered at least thirty-plus and crossing closures resumed; one Israeli civilian was killed by a rocket during the operation. These operations fuel the broader context of an ongoing siege and occupation in which Palestinians have for decades experienced systematic restrictions: on movement, on land rights (including settlements in the West Bank), and human-rights groups now describe the situation as apartheid.

Thus, while the October 7 assault is rightly condemned, it cannot obscure the larger pattern: Israeli policies that lock the people of Gaza into an increasingly enclosed and militarised region, detain thousands without trial, build hundreds of settlements on occupied land, restrict movement via checkpoints and roads designated for Jewish Israelis, appropriate Palestinian resources, and respond with overwhelming force when protests emerge. The Hamas attack is neither an excuse nor a justification for this long-standing system of oppression.

If one is to understand the world’s current turn of sentiment - away from Israel and toward solidarity with Palestinians - it is because the broader injustice is no longer hidden. When international organisations and media repeatedly report that Israeli fire kills more Palestinians than militant rockets kill Israelis, when a major power (the United States) backs Israel unquestioningly, the accusations of double standards become unavoidable. Real justice demands that we recognise both: the horror of terrorist atrocities and the decades of structural violence and occupation.

In short: supporting the rights of Palestinians, condemning the oppression they endure, and seeking accountability from Israel does not mean excusing Hamas’s brutal assault. Neither does recognising the terror of October 7 contradict the fact that the state of Israel under its far-right government is itself now widely viewed around the world as a terrorising occupier. To remain silent - or to excuse one side while focusing only on the other -is to abandon the possibility of justice, human dignity, and the rule of international law.

 

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

I think it is fair to say most of us regret handing them Israel.

It has been a big failure.

You did not hand Israel to anyone. Get over yourself. Israel  gained its  liberation following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

Why do you carry on with your lie that Israel does not have a right to exist? The same agreement that allowed the creation of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and fixed the borders of Iraq, Syria and Egypt, including the  awarding of Gaza to Egypt agreed to the reinstatement of Israel. Or do you deny this historical fact too?

 

  

14 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

You did not hand Israel to anyone. Get over yourself. Israel  gained its  liberation following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

Why do you carry on with your lie that Israel does not have a right to exist? The same agreement that allowed the creation of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and fixed the borders of Iraq, Syria and Egypt, including the  awarding of Gaza to Egypt agreed to the reinstatement of Israel. Or do you deny this historical fact too?

 

  

Israel has repeatedly violated border agreements and UN resolutions since its establishment. For example:

Israel has occupied and annexed Palestinian territories, including the West Bank and East Jerusalem, in breach of the 1949 Armistice Agreements and subsequent UN resolutions.

 

Gaza has been blockaded since 2007, restricting movement and basic rights, which violates international humanitarian law

 

Settlements continue to expand on occupied land despite repeated UN Security Council resolutions condemning them (e.g., UNSC Resolution 2334).

Military operations breach ceasefire agreements, such as those brokered after past conflicts in 2008–2009, 2014, 2021 and today.

 

Recognizing Israel’s right to exist does not justify ignoring decades of documented violations of borders, agreements, and international law. These are not “lies” - they are recorded facts confirmed by UN reports and international monitoring bodies.

 

As a Zionist, you'll probably deny these facts

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

That's really cute. Freedom fighters. Your sleaze level always increases.

Of course they are freedom fighters, whereas Israel is fighting for land. 

Most of the world do NOT call freedom fighters in Palestine terrorists, most of the world call Israel terrorists. You are blinkered as you are Jewish and probably only watch Western, especially US news. As you know, the USA foreign policy on Middle East is defined by Jewish Americans like Miriam Adelson.

21 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Why do you carry on with your lie that Israel does not have a right to exist?

Because since we gave it to them they break all the rules and keep trying to get more and more. 
And they kill people to do it.

1 minute ago, JimCM said:

Of course they are freedom fighters, whereas Israel is fighting for land. 

Most of the world do NOT call freedom fighters in Palestine terrorists, most of the world call Israel terrorists. You are blinkered as you are Jewish and probably only watch Western, especially US news. As you know, the USA foreign policy on Middle East is defined by Jewish Americans like Miriam Adelson.

The Israelis lie as much as Trump.

But he has the gall to call me a liar.

They all do it.

1 hour ago, JimCM said:

In short: supporting the rights of Palestinians, condemning the oppression they endure, and seeking accountability from Israel does not mean excusing Hamas’s brutal assault.

Yes he lied about me supporting Hamas.

Then accuses me of being a liar.

Sounds eerily familiar.

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

Because since we gave it to them they break all the rules and keep trying to get more and more. 
And they kill people to do it.

Indeed, and they are succeeding. They have broken all rules so should forfeit their right to their own country. They will not be content until they have ALL of Palestine.

Just now, MalcolmB said:

Yes he lied about me supporting Hamas.

Then accuses me of being a liar.

Sounds eerily familiar.

Even if you did support Hamas, that's your perogative. It's only western countries, allied with Israel that call them terrorists.

One man's terrorist.......

On 11/2/2025 at 10:04 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

While there are multiple reports and videos of general hospital destruction, and a specific video of an IDF soldier smashing an ultrasound machine, the available video footage of the dialysis center's destruction mainly shows military excavators demolishing the building. The destruction of dialysis machines is widely reported but a video specifically showing a soldier in the act of smashing a dialysis machine was not found among the search results

You and your friend seem to think that if something was not photographed and videoed that it never happened.

48 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Even if you did support Hamas, that's your perogative. It's only western countries, allied with Israel that call them terrorists.

One man's terrorist.......

 

    Wrong :

Japan, Ecuador, Paraguay , Australia , New Zealand, Macedonia all regard Hamas as a terrorist organisation 

On 11/3/2025 at 12:37 AM, Jingthing said:

I don't think it's at all fair to call all Israelis Nazis.

It's disgusting hate speech actually.

On the other hand, Jewish Nazis do exist.

Witness Stephen Miller.

Do you think the Knesset has neo-nazi ministers?

 

It is obvious to me they do, and I include Bibi. Israel’s better, unbiased newspaper, Haaretz agrees.

 

The Israeli military’s ongoing assault on the Gaza Strip has reached a tipping point — not just in terms of human suffering and infrastructural devastation, but also in moral clarity. In a shocking turn, several Israeli soldiers have publicly likened their conduct in Gaza to that of Nazi forces during the Holocaust, a parallel long considered taboo within Israeli discourse.

 

https://gvwire.com/2025/07/02/from-victims-to-perpetrators-israeli-soldiers-nazi-comparisons-and-the-unfolding-war-crimes-in-gaza/

51 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Wrong :

Japan, Ecuador, Paraguay , Australia , New Zealand, Macedonia all regard Hamas as a terrorist organisation 

Macedonia, well they are a real force. What about ME countries, who know more about it?

4 minutes ago, RobKray said:

Macedonia, well they are a real force. What about ME countries, who know more about it?

 

    Oct 7 was an act of terror carried out by Hamas .

Hamas are a terrorist organisation .

Not even debatable 

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Oct 7 was an act of terror carried out by Hamas .

Hamas are a terrorist organisation .

Not even debatable 

Neither are your comments.

10 minutes ago, RobKray said:

Do you think the Knesset has neo-nazi ministers?

 

It is obvious to me they do, and I include Bibi. Israel’s better, unbiased newspaper, Haaretz agrees.

 

The Israeli military’s ongoing assault on the Gaza Strip has reached a tipping point — not just in terms of human suffering and infrastructural devastation, but also in moral clarity. In a shocking turn, several Israeli soldiers have publicly likened their conduct in Gaza to that of Nazi forces during the Holocaust, a parallel long considered taboo within Israeli discourse.

 

https://gvwire.com/2025/07/02/from-victims-to-perpetrators-israeli-soldiers-nazi-comparisons-and-the-unfolding-war-crimes-in-gaza/

 

   ^ That is an opinion piece, it isn't  report from  media source 

27 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Wrong :

Japan, Ecuador, Paraguay , Australia , New Zealand, Macedonia all regard Hamas as a terrorist organisation 

 

You forgot Canada, Israel, the United Kingdom, the United States, and the European Union (27 states) which makes it 37 states.

 

Meaning the other 156 don`t. Meaning globally they are seen as a resistance movement. 

 

Sure, all because of Hamas propaganda. 

 

Only the western bubble sees them as terrorists, well, does it? Polls have shown that even in the most pro Israel country, the USA (United Slaves of Aipac) for the first time in history more people are pro Palestine than pro Israel

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-shows-most-americans-back-palestine-recognition-view-israeli-campaign-as-excessive/

 

OMG, how did that happen.

 

Probably again Hamas propaganda.

 

Who might have thought they have made so much money from stealing the food aid, which deeply caring Israel allowed into Gaza that they even turned most of the US into Hamas?

 

So unfair, especially after Israel had send so many Millions from the Billions they got from the US back to 331 US congressmen (of 433) to help them get food o the table.

 

 

Life is so unfair

 

But the good people who are for justice and democracy (well, for some places, certainly not all) and peace and freedom (well, same same) will keep on fighting (by bribing the leaders of the mightiest country to do what we want and not what is good for their kin).

 

 

Hooray!

2 hours ago, JimCM said:

Even if you did support Hamas, that's your perogative. It's only western countries, allied with Israel that call them terrorists.

One man's terrorist.......

 

   Remember this hostage being held in a  tunnel by Hamas ?

He is now free .

Now 200 Hamas  are in that tunnel with no way out 🙂

 

25 minutes ago, RobKray said:

Do you think the Knesset has neo-nazi ministers?

 

It is obvious to me they do, and I include Bibi. Israel’s better, unbiased newspaper, Haaretz agrees.

 

The Israeli military’s ongoing assault on the Gaza Strip has reached a tipping point — not just in terms of human suffering and infrastructural devastation, but also in moral clarity. In a shocking turn, several Israeli soldiers have publicly likened their conduct in Gaza to that of Nazi forces during the Holocaust, a parallel long considered taboo within Israeli discourse.

 

https://gvwire.com/2025/07/02/from-victims-to-perpetrators-israeli-soldiers-nazi-comparisons-and-the-unfolding-war-crimes-in-gaza/

I've voiced my opposition to the Netanyahu government countless times over the years. No, they don't have literal Nazis but certainly far right fascists. I like to call the Trump regime's Stephen Miller a Jewish Nazi. Again not literally but of similar bent.

That said, I reject any suggestion that would Israel has done is equivalent to the holocaust. Things can be very very bad without reaching that level of evil. 

6 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

You did not hand Israel to anyone. Get over yourself. Israel  gained its  liberation following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

 

What a perfect example of rewriting history!

 

So Israel was occupied by the Ottoman Empire and then somehow "gained" it`s liberation.

 

What have you been smoking?

 

Israel surfaced some 3000 years ago and disappeared from the face of the world 300 years later just to have a brief reappearance around 2000 years ago and then vanish again after 67 years.

 

No more Israel since then.

 

Well until 76 years ago, when it came back from the dead causing death since then.

 

6 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Why do you carry on with your lie that Israel does not have a right to exist? The same agreement that allowed the creation of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and fixed the borders of Iraq, Syria and Egypt, including the  awarding of Gaza to Egypt agreed to the reinstatement of Israel. Or do you deny this historical fact too?  

 

Are you mistaking creation with dividing? And had the native people any say in that "creation" as you call it?

 

You must be in the advertisement industry.

 

Probably could sell refrigerators to the Inuit easily.

 

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Oct 7 was an act of terror carried out by Hamas .

Hamas are a terrorist organisation .

Not even debatable 

100% agree.

That one day was terrible.

 

And what the IDF has been doing to unarmed elderly, women and children since has also been terrorism.

 
And what the IDF and settlers were doing before October 7 was also terrorism.

54 minutes ago, Somjot said:

What have you been smoking?

To be fair to him there are many who believe in all that nonsense.

 

I don’t think he has an agenda or is deliberately lying.

 

He just doesn’t know.

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

, I reject any suggestion that would Israel has done is equivalent to the holocaust.

I reject your rejection.

 

It is nearly exactly the same result.

Like the Nazis the Israelis havent just gone after armed men, but they have gone after the unarmed elderly, the disabled, the women and the children and alternate between denoting it and proudly boasting about it.

 

8 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I reject your rejection.

 

It is nearly exactly the same result.

Like the Nazis the Israelis havent just gone after armed men, but they have gone after the unarmed elderly, the disabled, the women and the children and alternate between denoting it and proudly boasting about it.

 

Then you've lost all connection with reality. No surprise.

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Then you've lost all connection with reality. No surprise.

This woman’s father was from the USA.

Where are you from?