2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Just pony up the 300k or 400k and get a decent little car instead. Jesus...

Cars are rubbish around town

1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said:

Cars are rubbish around town

If going shopping groceries for a week or two, it can be a good solution to have a smaller car, but everything can be delivered in Pattaya, so why bother really ? 

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

I have to disagree, there is no way you will keep your reflexes in to your 70ies if you are not an superhuman. You got your experience, but instincts and reflexes? Nope, 

I'm 55, riding for 26 years, i think I'm getting better all the time, building knowledge every day of different scenarios, you don't need super fast reactions just use your brain

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

So how do elderly realize when it is time to stop driving?

start making mistakes, near misses perhaps or even an accident 

Just now, scubascuba3 said:

I'm 55, riding for 26 years, i think I'm getting better all the time, building knowledge every day of different scenarios, you don't need super fast reactions just use your brain

Exactly and staying away from everyone else on the road as much as possible, as you aren't protected on a motorbike and all it takes is a little bump from some wayward driver to ruin your day, like Britman's accident. 

1 hour ago, georgegeorgia said:

Yes something like this would be great 

What do they call these ?

 

A disability vehicle 

2 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

I'm 55, riding for 26 years, i think I'm getting better all the time, building knowledge every day of different scenarios, you don't need super fast reactions just use your brain

Some get viser and smarter and manage to make better decisions. No doubt about it, but, 

 

anyway, each and one for themselves, I am speaking from personal experience how I feel my reflexes and reactions is now compared to in my younger days. However, most importantly, I do not find the risk versus joy is favorable anymore. 

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

If going shopping groceries for a week or two, it can be a good solution to have a smaller car, but everything can be delivered in Pattaya, so why bother really ? 

exactly i wouldn't bother, just being stuck in traffic with a car

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Exactly and staying away from everyone else on the road as much as possible, as you aren't protected on a motorbike and all it takes is a little bump from some wayward driver to ruin your day, like Britman's accident. 

also don't provoke other road users, they might run you over

2 minutes ago, TopGun10 said:

@fredwiggy Wow...you brought the @BritManToo incident so flippantly into the conversation? The man was attacked, it wasn't an accident. Please emerge into the real world.

He was hit by another on his motorbike, which this topic is about, driving motorbikes. 

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Some get viser and smarter and manage to make better decisions. No doubt about it, but, 

 

anyway, each and one for themselves, I am speaking from personal experience how I feel my reflexes and reactions is now compared to in my younger days. However, most importantly, I do not find the risk versus joy is favorable anymore. 

I see falang riding around Pattaya too fast, taking too many risks, these people need quick reactions but luck runs out eventually 

11 minutes ago, TopGun10 said:

@Hummin Unlike everyone else, he boasts about it. 🙂 I could talk about squats and how I see others train with them. That is specific, that is intelligent discussion. But when you have someone coming on boasting about how they are better than everyone else....it's kind of nauseating. One because they have no idea of the experience of others here and two, it's just a poor character trait IMHO.

 

It's not sharing. It's boastful and ugly.

 

For example, I might share that the way I do squats is to put 150kg on my shoulders and then squat until my butt is nearly touching the ground...and then stay there. Five minutes, ten minutes, no problem. Then stand up again and repeat.

Pull ups. Full length each time. No throwing yourself up. Hang for ten minutes and then start your reps again. The longer you can hold on, the more reps you can do. These are specifics. Helpful to others who want to try. Not boastful nauseating foolishness of how great he thinks he is compared to most others. I have no idea as to how I compare to most others. I prefer to not underestimate anyone. But I see how the other guys squat in the gym and they cannot do what I do. But you won't see me boasting about it or likely ever mentioning it again.

For me, that kind of behaviour is weird. Perhaps a US thing. Braggadocio. My parents brought me up to be humble. Obviously not so for everyone.

Again just MHO. Real strength is effortless. 

 

 

 

 

 

👏🤗

Respect, I respect your style of Irony 

I would never ride a motorbike in Thailand - too dangerous because of so many 'idiots' and drunkards.

 

In Laos and Myanmar, I only ride a motorbike, cars won't cope with the mountain roads 🙂

 

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10 minutes ago, simon43 said:

I would never ride a motorbike in Thailand - too dangerous because of so many 'idiots' and drunkards.

 

In Laos and Myanmar, I only ride a motorbike, cars won't cope with the mountain roads 🙂

 

Beautiful,thankyou Simon 

4 hours ago, proton said:

About 85% of road accidents here are caused by bikes, the thought of pensioners riding them about is pretty worrying

Most road accidents caused my speed, too busy looking at mobile phones and lack of riding skills by fly by night guys who rent

bikes thinking that riding a bike responsibly is easy-peasy. 

9 minutes ago, TopGun10 said:

We are brothers and sisters here

One of the best paragraphs I have read on this forum 

Many of us don't want to identify as a brother and may want to  indentify as a Sister 

Thanks Top gun for bringing this up 

Sounds risky.

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Speak of the devil...

 

I think many people are motivated by fear, so they cannot progress in some ways. If you can ride a bicycle, you can master a motorcycle, though technique is important.

I see many people riding recklessly, just twisting the grip without any hold on the brakes. Just a matter of time...

I don't think I will bother with a motorbike when I retire 

 

 

But if I was say to retire to the Darkside I would buy a car 

1 minute ago, georgegeorgia said:

I don't think I will bother with a motorbike when I retire 

 

 

But if I was say to retire to the Darkside I would buy a car 

When I retire I will not have a vehicle at all. I will make sure it is not necessary. At least my plan for now

I love the freedom a bike gives. Cars may be safer, but getting stuck in traffic is no fun. Plus there's little or no connection with the outside world.

3 minutes ago, TopGun10 said:

I love the freedom a bike gives. Cars may be safer, but getting stuck in traffic is no fun. Plus there's little or no connection with the outside world.

How old are you? 

@Hummin The relevance?

Two wheels is a death trap in Thailand... stick to 4 wheels, way safer.

16 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Two wheels is a death trap in Thailand... stick to 4 wheels, way safer.

Beautiful 

Do you mind if I save this to my word collection?

18 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Two wheels is a death trap in Thailand... stick to 4 wheels, way safer.

It is a good thing to realize the danger, but if it is your passion? What then? 

16 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It is a good thing to realize the danger, but if it is your passion? What then? 

Passions can get you into trouble or killed. I'm more of the pragmatic type and see the lethality of these roads for what they really are... many don't, and end up either dead or disabled. 

If you still have such passions, then I guess you have to risk it, your call... but the roads here are littered with corpses that like/love motorbikes, and the stats don't lie.

Guess it's a horses-for-courses job on this one, but it doesn't work out well for many and you'll often hear long-term expats talk about the "inevitable motorbike crash" if you stay long enough and use them... especially the big bikes.

Also, many people who come here don't really know how to ride one... couple that with the complete lunacy of Thai bike riders/cars etc. and IMO it's a formula for disaster. I had a moment of clarity long ago on this one and just bought a pickup truck to be done with it... glad I did.

6 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Passions can get you into trouble or killed. I'm more of the pragmatic type and see the lethality of these roads for what they really are... many don't, and end up either dead or disabled. 

If you still have such passions, then I guess you have to risk it, your call... but the roads here are littered with corpses that like/love motorbikes, and the stats don't lie.

Guess it's a horses-for-courses job on this one, but it doesn't work out well for many and you'll often here long-term expats talk about the inevitable motorbike crash if you stay long enough and use them... especially the big bikes.

Also, many people who come here don't really know how to ride one... couple that with the complete lunacy of Thai bike riders/cars etc. and IMO it's a formula for disaster. I had a moment of clarity long ago on this one and just bought a pickup truck to be done with it... glad I did.

I have done my rides in Thailand for years and pulled the plug for big bikers, but if I still felt the need for the speed I would had continued. Still got my off-road bikes, so we still touring, but not at the highways anymore. Noe we load the bikes on the car and drive to the areas we want to search out, or just go on the 1000's of local dirt roads in Isaan. 

 

As said above, the risk versus pleasure is not there anymore.