2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

RFK Jr is another spin doctor, putting out a particular message when it suits whatever agenda he wants to support. 

 

But RFK Jr here is just narrowing in on facts to support his thesis.

It doesn't mean everything he says is not accurate or valid.

But it's not "holistic". 

 

What are you inferring from this? That we ban all pharmaceuticals? 

 

Some medications have serious issues and maybe are released without adequate testing.

But what RFK Jr. neglects to mention is that if you suddenly ban the pharmaceutical industry and ALL pharmaceuticals, maybe 15% of the population would drop dead tomorrow morning. A lot of these drugs are extending people's lives. 

 

You act as though you've never popped a pill or never met anyone who popped a pharmaceutical.

 

What do you do in your real life? You go around to all the elderly people taking pharmaceuticals for various ailments and you confiscate their meds for their own good? 

 

 

 

 

It's not an either/or dichotomy. RFK has explained it in depth, you should watch his interviews. Some treatments are good, lots are bad, and real change will be made over a generation, i.e. teach today's kids to lead lifestyles which will prevent chronic illnesses in the future, nobody said the old sick people should go without their meds.

Still speaking of Covid ? you are 5 years late 

many other subjects to speak about 

20 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I have literally just explained it to you. As the educated adult in the room, you should be paying more attention. Also take into account this, for your convenience:

You should become a dodgeball player while continually dodging ALL questions related to your personal knowledge of statistics and medical studies.

 

You answer me with a quote from some other poster.... very strong indication of a cognitive disorder.  I only responded to your post.... not the other poster you copied as a response.  Get a grip.

7 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

You should become a dodgeball player while continually dodging ALL questions related to your personal knowledge of statistics and medical studies.

 

You answer me with a quote from some other poster.... very strong indication of a cognitive disorder.  I only responded to your post.... not the other poster you copied as a response.  Get a grip.

 

The issue at hand isn't remotely related to studies, but by all means continue talking about it if it makes you happy.

 

The quoted posts are from me and relevant to this issue, and you would know that if you bothered to read and understand anything.

 

Good night gamby! And thanks, as always, for your invaluable input.

22 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

condescendingly claiming to know everything on this matter

I am condescending to those who falsely claim understanding when they clearly don't.

Please show with a quote that I am "claiming to know everything on this matter".  I have pointed out the serious mistakes you have made in trying to use the raw data statistics on hospitalizations to support your theories about vaccination.  You have dodged that point 100%.  You have misplaced your trust in the raw data and never have addressed the problem of 'selection bias' that occurs when you try to draw a conclusion from that data.

 

So it's time to put up some real answers.  What is the inherent selection bias that makes the raw hospitalization data a poor candidate for use in any study?

11 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

The issue at hand isn't remotely related to studies, but by all means continue talking about it if it makes you happy.

Another stunningly WRONG statement.  You want to use the hospitalization data to prove some relationship with vaccination.  When anyone tries to use statistics to show any type of relationship... that is in effect creating an informal  'study'.  Even an informal study requires data to be as free from selection bias as possible, otherwise any conclusion is clouded by the bias.

31 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Just wondering how the "winter(s) of death and severe illness" went.

Another awe inspiring 'result' from the golden standard for misinformation.... YouTube.

43 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Granted, it is a very inconvenient question, which so far nobody has answered.

It seems 'silly' is a more appropriate adjective to take the place of 'inconvenient'.

48 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I have literally just explained it to you.

You've consistently NOT explained anything in ANY of your posts.... at best you've pointed to other's statements.

 

Any reader not in a coma can see that you're not in possession of the skills required to explain anything to do with science, statistics or mathematics.

On 11/4/2025 at 3:12 PM, scubascuba3 said:

Maybe they are dead

sorry to disappoint you, but both my brothers and my sister never got vaccinated and are still alive.  I have many friends that did the same, no vaccine and are still alive and fine. 

My sister never contracted covid, but both my brothers did and after a week (my other brother it was almost 3 weeks) of being ill were fine. They both took paxlovid.

 

However, my good friend that went to the gym 3 times a week and in good shape at the age of 64 and was vaccinated still died in the hospital from Covid.

So please tell me how the vaccine prevents covid?

 

You do realize the CDC  changed the definition of a vaccine??  It went from saying it prevents a disease to it helps to prevent. 

 

On 11/4/2025 at 4:06 PM, georgegeorgia said:

I wish I never got vaccinated 

 

I have had nothing but health problems , pain in the lower back ,heart pain they can't find , sore throat , reflux ..the whole lot yet these doctors deny there's any problems calling me a liar except the doctor in Pattaya who knows its all happening 

The covid Vax caused these 

I had to get vaccinated because of my company.. 

 

Interestingly I too have had heart pains and my doctor did a CT and a stress test and cant find anything. They dont know why I get chest/heart  pains. The pain only last a few seconds but hurts enough to get your attention. 

26 minutes ago, ericthai said:

I had to get vaccinated because of my company.. 

 

Interestingly I too have had heart pains and my doctor did a CT and a stress test and cant find anything. They dont know why I get chest/heart  pains. The pain only last a few seconds but hurts enough to get your attention. 

 

Have you tried a Spike protein detox?

7 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Have you tried a Spike protein detox?

I have not, I'll check into this.  

3 minutes ago, ericthai said:

I have not, I'll check into this.  

 

It's worth a try, there have been positive results reported.

 

 

3 hours ago, ericthai said:

sorry to disappoint you, but both my brothers and my sister never got vaccinated and are still alive.  I have many friends that did the same, no vaccine and are still alive and fine. 

anecdotal stories are no use at all, that's why they collect data on millions of people

23 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

anecdotal stories are no use at all, that's why they collect data on millions of people

 

They don't, they stopped in mid-2023. Any idea why? UK example:

 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

14 minutes ago, Sully_ said:

 

Pretty much, yeah.

6 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

It's worth a try, there have been positive results reported.

 

Make sure you also use the E-meter in conjunction with the detox.  There are many thousands of E-meter devotees.  They couldn't all be wrong, right?

8 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

...

  What is the inherent selection bias that makes the raw hospitalization data a poor candidate for use in any study?

 

 

Source: https://jessicar.substack.com/p/misclassification-of-individuals

 

On 11/4/2025 at 2:31 PM, rattlesnake said:

You can't because there are none.

 

Anyway, this guy sums up the Covidiocy in a couple of minutes.

 

 

The dead people can’t be reached for comment. 

6 minutes ago, Fact said:

The dead people can’t be reached for comment. 

 

We're alive and well.

 

 

11 hours ago, save the frogs said:

...

The Covid vaccine has absolutely nothing to do with cancer.

 

One of the top UK oncologists - prof dr Angus DALGLEISH - is of a very different opinion.  He saw how all of his patients stable cancer-condition nosedived after getting the 'safe and effective' Covid-shot.  And of course he was smeared by the medical maffia pushing the shots.  As a top oncologist with a rock-solid reputation that didn't stop him from keeping on saying that inconvenient truth.  And in his interviews he tells that in private conersations all his oncology collegues are in full agreement with him, but it is a 'career killer' to do so in public and they cowardly keep their mouths shut while they know all too well what's behind the current cancer-explosion. 

 

I published several threads with interviews and opinion pieces written by prof Dalgleish, check them out.

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12 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

He saw how all of his patients stable cancer-condition nosedived after getting the 'safe and effective' Covid-shot. 

 

They already had cancer?

 

A vaccine is a medical intervention. It's a shock to the system. 

So anyone in a weakened state may be affected negatively because their system is too weak to handle the stress of the vaccine.

 

And maybe it's irresponsible of medical professionals to give vaccines to anyone in such a state. Most low-level staff like the average pharmacist maybe doesn't even understand this. 

 

Not the same as suggesting the vaccine CAUSES cancer. 

 

4 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

anecdotal stories are no use at all, that's why they collect data on millions of people

It's often really hard to get access to the data and sometimes impossible.

https://drclarecraig.substack.com/p/the-outcome-of-the-icoukhsa-foi-court

44 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

One of the top UK oncologists - prof dr Angus DALGLEISH - is of a very different opinion.  He saw how all of his patients stable cancer-condition nosedived after getting the 'safe and effective' Covid-shot.  And of course he was smeared by the medical maffia pushing the shots.  As a top oncologist with a rock-solid reputation that didn't stop him from keeping on saying that inconvenient truth.  And in his interviews he tells that in private conersations all his oncology collegues are in full agreement with him, but it is a 'career killer' to do so in public and they cowardly keep their mouths shut while they know all too well what's behind the current cancer-explosion. 

 

I published several threads with interviews and opinion pieces written by prof Dalgleish, check them out.

> 

 

 

Even in the early stages there were reports of how the vaccine affected TNF-a and its receptors. If I remember correctly it somehow suppressed TNF even though the vaccine was pro-inflammatory.

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

We're alive and well.

At least from the neck down.

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

They already had cancer? A vaccine is a medical intervention. It's a shock to the system. 

So anyone in a weakened state may be affected negatively because their system is too weak to handle the stress of the vaccine.

And maybe it's irresponsible of medical professionals to give vaccines to anyone in such a state. Most low-level staff like the average pharmacist maybe doesn't even understand this. 

Not the same as suggesting the vaccine CAUSES cancer. 

 

> As he is an oncologist, prof dr Angus DALGLEISH's patients  do have cancer and he saw an unsettling recurrence of aggressive cancers in those that took the Covid-jab and whose condition was previously 'under control'.  

As he understands the mechanisms behind cancer development, he does not 'suggest' that the Covid-vaccine causes cancer, he is most definite and outspoken that it does CAUSE cancer.  

And of course he is not the only medical professional that has the courage to speak out against these poison shots.  

You can look up prof dr Sucharit BHAKDI and many other imminent doctors that are 'not for sale' and keep on warning about the devastating harms of the shots.    

12 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

prof dr Sucharit BHAKDI

 

Here, he is claiming the "brains of billions of people are not working anymore" due to the vaccines.

 

Sorry, I'm exhausted from vaccine debates. I will take a break.