18 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Inconvenient truth?

Unicef has a history of bias and corruption.

Hamas and Gaza were intertwined on October 7. The attacks, carnage and destruction was celebrated in Gaza, Did any Gazans speak out against starting a war? The hostages were kept in residential  properties, and hospital basements. They were guarded by Hamas residents. The people of Gaza were fully in support of the war until they realized that it had consequences.

 

Your previous comments certainly give the impression that you conflate Israel and the IDF. No one in Israel wanted to have a war with Gaza, and I do not recall anyone in Israel who celebrated the destruction that followed. In the early months of the war,  Gaza launched tens of thousands of rockets, missiles and mortars into Israel, The launching sites were in "civilian" areas. Who objected?  Did any of the hospital personnel object to the use of the hospitals as command and control centers or prison cells or munition storage areas?

 

Gaza is rightfully a war zone. If and when Gazans  stop  mounting attacks on Israel, disarm their heavy weapons and  missiles and the militants surrender, then the war will end and "children" won't die. Gazans must want that first.

 

 

Gaza is not ‘rightfully a war zone’, not least because there’s a ceasefire.

 

41 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 Or we have the idiot argument of the Israelis slaughtering children in Gaza doesn’t matter because children die elsewhere.

 

‘The narrative’ is the topic under discussion, which Israel’s apologists would rather deflect from.

You love that word apologist.

Try  honesty.

Gaza started a war. Gazans died and will continue to end the war. Gaza  has yet to lay down its weapons as was agreed, and its militants have not agreed to the surrender.  Until that happens, Gaza remains a war zone.  And yes, it is still designated a warzone according to the international community.

1 hour ago, JimCM said:

I could show many more. 

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2025/5/5/israeli-soldiers-blow-up-building-in-gaza-for-gender-reveal-party#flips-6372359972112:0

 

   That was a gender reveal party , even says so in the caption

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

You love that word apologist.

Try  honesty.

Gaza started a war. Gazans died and will continue to end the war. Gaza  has yet to lay down its weapons as was agreed, and its militants have not agreed to the surrender.  Until that happens, Gaza remains a war zone.  And yes, it is still designated a warzone according to the international community.

Not as much as you love offering up obfuscation of Israel’s crimes.

 

 

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That was a gender reveal party , even says so in the caption

 

The caption reads (my emphasis) Israeli soldiers blow up building in Gaza FOR GENDER REVEAL PARTY.

 

Sorry Palestinians, we needed to blow up your homes for our party

 

Can you get any sicker!

 

And Nick, this is DEFINITELY a war crime.

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Gaza started a war.

Utter nonsense. If you are naive enough to believe this, there really is no hope for any discussion.

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

You love that word apologist.

Try  honesty.

Gaza started a war. Gazans died and will continue to end the war. Gaza  has yet to lay down its weapons as was agreed, and its militants have not agreed to the surrender.  Until that happens, Gaza remains a war zone.  And yes, it is still designated a warzone according to the international community.

You haven't once showed any compassion for the children killed, read the OP title.

You remind me of the Illegal Settler Queen.

 

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

The caption reads (my emphasis) Israeli soldiers blow up building in Gaza FOR GENDER REVEAL PARTY.

Sorry Palestinians, we needed to blow up your homes for our party

Can you get any sicker!

And Nick, this is DEFINITELY a war crime.

 

   They were going to blow the houses anyway .

They were not celebrating the houses being blow up .

They were celebrating the gender of the baby .

 

25 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Utter nonsense. If you are naive enough to believe this, there really is no hope for any discussion.

 

   How  many times does this need to be stated ?

Do you need to be told on  regular basis ?

It has been established , why does it need to be discussed ?

Do you need to be told again ?

This current war began on Oct 7 2023 when Palestine invaded Israel .

BUT , The conflict has been going on a lot longer than that . 

 

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   How  many times does this need to be stated ?

Do you need to be told on  regular basis ?

It has been established , why does it need to be discussed ?

Do you need to be told again ?

This current war began on Oct 7 2023 when Palestine invaded Israel .

BUT , The conflict has been going on a lot longer than that . 

 

I think we had a thread on that.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think we had a thread on that.

 

   If only some people could remember it 

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think we had a thread on that.

And some people still do not get it. People who  consider Hamas' missiles, rockets, and mortars  harmless fireworks. people who call Hamas resistance fighters. It is telling that the Palestinian Authority, Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, and many other Arab countries do not  describe Hamas as resistance fighters. 

5 hours ago, JimCM said:

Utter nonsense. If you are naive enough to believe this, there really is no hope for any discussion.

Ahh so the attack on October 7 was what? A picnic where 1200 unarmed non threatening Israelis were slaughtered?

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not as much as you love offering up obfuscation of Israel’s crimes.

 

Sure. According to you, anyone who questions a biased narrative promoted by entities with the sole intent of  destroying israel and killing jews obfuscates. Do you also see the missiles, rockets and mortars fired at israel as  harmless fireworks and Hamas as "resistance fighters"? Your logic holds that  questioning that is obfuscation too. 

37 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Ahh so the attack on October 7 was what? A picnic where 1200 unarmed non threatening Israelis were slaughtered?

It was not that many and 379 were armed security forces.

Oct 7 was one operation in decades of conflict. 

No one talks about what happened in May 2023, when IDF killed innocent civilians in operation Shield and Arrow. Why is that not the start of the war? Because Gaza don't have the military means to start a war on Israel. But you don't care about that as you are superior to Palestinians. You don't talk about the thousands of hostages in Israeli prisons, administrative detainees the terrorist state calls them, they had no trial.

You've still said nothing about the topic, 2 children dying daily. You don't care, do you? You are the chosen ones, superior to the Muslims. The IDF have killed approximately 25,000 children with thousands missing under rubble. 

 

 

 

32 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Do you also see the missiles, rockets and mortars fired at israel as  harmless fireworks and Hamas as "resistance fighters"?

You don't answer certain questions.

I'll ask again, out of all those so called missiles, how many Israel's have died in the last 2 years.

I remember reading  some Israelis were treated for anxiety.

As I said it's symbolic, like Iran's hundreds of cruise missiles fired at Israel.

11 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Unicef has a history of bias and corruption.

Rubbish. You say that only because they state the truth about children in Gaza and how many, 64,000 Israel have murdered in the last two years.

 

https://www.unicef.org/sop/two-years-war-have-left-gazas-children-reeling?utm_source=chatgpt.com

16 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

And yes, it is still designated a warzone according to the international community.

Referring to the international community, the same community that declared nethanyahu wanted for war crimes, that confirmed the west bank settlements illegal, that confirmed warcrimes from the IDF, etc 

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Referring to the international community, the same community that declared nethanyahu wanted for war crimes, that confirmed the west bank settlements illegal, that confirmed warcrimes from the IDF, etc 

Those are the people who you refer to, so I thought you would  want to use their position.

Otherwise, you can use the Israeli position which still considers Gaza a warzone. The USA  does too.

Is there anyone other than you who does not consider Gaza to be a warzone? 

9 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Sure. According to you, anyone who questions a biased narrative promoted by entities with the sole intent of  destroying israel and killing jews obfuscates. Do you also see the missiles, rockets and mortars fired at israel as  harmless fireworks and Hamas as "resistance fighters"? Your logic holds that  questioning that is obfuscation too. 

Multiple clause strawman laced with views invented on my behalf.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Those are the people who you refer to, so I thought you would  want to use their position.

Otherwise, you can use the Israeli position which still considers Gaza a warzone. The USA  does too.

Is there anyone other than you who does not consider Gaza to be a warzone? 

Bad attempt at weaseling out of your earlier post. You were referring to the international community approving, while the international community is strongly on all fronts, disapproving.

23 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Bad attempt at weaseling out of your earlier post. You were referring to the international community approving, while the international community is strongly on all fronts, disapproving.

Ok, so don't use the international community as  a basis. I was offering you something that you  embrace as a  reliable source.

Is there anyone  other than you who does not consider Hamas a warzone? Even the residents call it a warzone. I am trying to be respectful of local sentiments.

 

31 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Ok, so don't use the international community as  a basis. I was offering you something that you  embrace as a  reliable source.

Is there anyone  other than you who does not consider Hamas a warzone? Even the residents call it a warzone. I am trying to be respectful of local sentiments.

 

More bad weaseling.

On 11/25/2025 at 10:25 AM, stevenl said:

More bad weaseling.

He hasn't even attempted to answer my rebuttal as is to his pro Jewish narrative/lies

Israeli fire killed two Palestinian children in the southern Gaza Strip on Saturday, a hospital reported, marking the latest deaths of Palestinians as a shaky ceasefire with Hamas held.

 

The two brothers, aged 11 and 8, died when an Israeli drone struck close to a school sheltering displaced people in the town of Beni Suhaila, according to staff at Nasser Hospital, which received the bodies. The Israeli military did not immediately comment on the killings.

 

Hamas once again called mediators on Saturday to pressure Israel to stop what it called ceasefire violations in Gaza following the killing of the two children.

 

Israeli fire kills 2 Palestinian children in the latest test of Gaza ceasefire

 

Israel Palestinians Gaza:©(Copyright 2025, The Associated Press. All rights reserved)

On 11/24/2025 at 2:34 AM, JimCM said:

Utter nonsense. If you are naive enough to believe this, there really is no hope for any discussion.

Yes, they started a war.  

On 11/29/2025 at 11:50 PM, TedG said:

Yes, they started a war.  

 

Why do you keep repeating Israeli lies.

 

As if there was no conflict before Oct 7.

 

Why are you same as others still think Israel is on the right side of history especially after the horrible things the IDF has done in the last 2 years really not missing a single atrocity: 

 

Killing journalists, medics, unarmed civilians, even when they gave up hands in the air like recently in the West Bank, intentionally shooting children in the head, chest or abdomen depending on the day of the week.

 

A mass murder on a scale incomparable to October 7 yet that day is still used to justify it.

 

Why are some people still supporting that?

 

For those I have a little thought experiment: 

 

I'm sure there are people in your lives whom you love. Like friends or your partner for life.

 

Now ask yourself, why do you love those people?

 

Most likely you met them at some point in your past, shared common experiences, grew fond of them until the day they became special to you, right?

 

Could you love somebody if someone else told you to love this person?

 

Probably not.

 

Love is an emotion which arises and depends on real personal experiences and interaction with another person and not something you could just create by your own will.

 

Same goes for hate.

 

Now ask yourself how much you have to hate people before you support their children to be slaughtered.

 

What did the Palestinians do to you personally that you have developed that level of hate that you have not the slightest compassion for their women and children being slaughtered in front of your eyes?

 

Most likely they never did anything to you as a person.

 

My final question is, as you cannot make yourself hate another person, and as you never had any personal experiences which could explain your hate for them, so why is there so much of it in you?

 

There is only one explanation.

 

Someone else put it there.

 

Someone else is controlling your emotions

 

Is that really happening in your interest and to your benefit?

 

Do you really want that?

 

Which pill will you choose?

A three-year-old girl was killed by Israeli forces in Gaza on Sunday, according to local sources inside the Palestinian territory. Ahed Tareq al-Bayouk was reportedly playing near her family's tent in Mawasi, Rafah, southern Gaza, when she was shot.

 

The Israel Defense Forces said in a statement that it was "not aware of a strike" but would "conduct an additional review" as more information was provided.

 

Ahed al-Bayouk's death appears to have taken place on the Palestinian side of the so-called Yellow Line, behind which Israeli troops agreed to withdraw as part of the first phase of a US plan to end fighting in the region.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqxqz4227x7o

 

 

Since a ceasefire came into effect in October, at least 370 people have been killed in Gaza including 140 children, according to Amnesty International.

 

On 11/25/2025 at 12:22 AM, JimCM said:

You don't answer certain questions.

I'll ask again, out of all those so called missiles, how many Israel's have died in the last 2 years.

I remember reading  some Israelis were treated for anxiety.

As I said it's symbolic, like Iran's hundreds of cruise missiles fired at Israel.

Still waiting @Patong2021 cat got your tongue?

8 hours ago, bannork said:

Since a ceasefire came into effect in October, at least 370 people have been killed in Gaza including 140 children, according to Amnesty International.

This is not a ceasefire. Shame on Trump.