On 11/28/2025 at 7:35 AM, Geoff914 said:

What I find sickening isn't the attacks on Reform per se it is the complete denial from Labour/Conservatives that they are perfect. Labour now wish to take away the right to a jury trial for nearly all cases, a right we have had since 1215. And it is not juries that are causing the chronic delays to the legal system. Just using that as an excuse to further erode our rights. What next, abolish elections?

     There is an urgent need to reduce the waiting time for trials . At present a rape case , as an example , can take 3 to 4 years to go to court . The current judicial system cannot cope with amount of crimes being committed . It is a catastrophic mess being caused by high crime rates . As much as I loathe Lammy , there has to be some radical changes , in order to cut the back log . Things could be a lot worse as many crimes go unreported because the police are unable to cope , having nowhere near enough police personnel . Crime rates have soared in recent years in line with immigration . Possible correlation ?

21 hours ago, PPGuy said:

If these accusations are indeed true and are of such severity that they remain as a painful memory to this day, one would assume that the affected pupils would have brought this to the attention of their parents at the time.

 

Given the nature of the complaints one would also have expected that the parents, seeing the impact such actions seemingly had on their children, especially having remained a painful memory for nearly fifty years, would have immediately raised a serious complaint with the school to have the matter dealt with at the time.

 

As no record exists, or even any indication that such complaints were made by the parents of the seemingly deeply affected children, one can only come to one conclusion......

 

Indeed, coming at a time when Reform are pulling away in the polling, from the rabble that remains of the 2 party ruling class, the timing of these incessant hit pieces from the likes of the Guardian and the insufferable Owen Jones can, again, only lead to one conclusion...... 

 

Running scared comes to mind.

If you dont believe his fellow pupils, how about his teachers?

 

'In the late 1970s and early eighties the Ukip leader was a pupil at Dulwich College in south London, one of Britain’s most prestigious schools. Channel 4 News has uncovered strong evidence that teachers at Dulwich thought Nigel Farage was “racist”, and “fascist” or “neo-fascist”.  https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-farage-ukip-letter-school-concerns-racism-fascism

21 minutes ago, superal said:

 Crime rates have soared in recent years in line with immigration . Possible correlation ?

No

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

• 'In 2013, Farage said he supported Muslim immigrants who “integrate” into society, but not those who are “coming here to take us over”.

Whats wrong with that comment ???

 

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

• 'In 2014, he said that the “basic principle” of Enoch Powell’s infamous anti-immigration Rivers of Blood speech was correct.'

 

The basic principle is not wrong.

 

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

• 'In a 2014 interview on LBC, Farage said he felt "uncomfortable" when he heard people speaking other languages on London transport.'

 

Dodgy comment - wrong & sounds bigotted.

 

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

• 'When LBC radio presenter James O’Brien asked why he objected to Romanian migrants but not Germans — like his Hamburg-born wife Kirsten — Farage retorted: "You know the difference."

 

There is a difference - are there German pick-pocket gangs ? Germans are not generally economic migrants, Romanians are.

 

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

• 'That same year, Farage also blamed immigrants when he was more than two hours late for an event, claiming they were causing traffic on the M4. "That has nothing to do with professionalism," he said of his lateness. "What it does have to do with is a country in which the population is going through the roof, chiefly because of open-door immigration, and the fact the M4 is not as navigable as it used to be."

 

Rather a dumb comment / Bigotted.

 

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

• 'Two months later, he defended Ukip candidate Kerry Smith for using the word "ch**ky" to describe a Chinese person.'

 

Clumsy - but not racists - just like using the word Brit and Yank...  but PC has taken over and Chinky, Jap, Kraut, <deleted> are now all derogatory - Farage should have distanced himself instead of taking an honest stance.

 

 

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

• 'Farage has been condemned by leading Jewish groups, such as the Board of Deputies, for using antisemitic-linked tropes - In 2017, Farage came under fire for antisemitism after an LBC interview in which he described the so-called US “Jewish lobby” as a concern of his. He has spoken of a "new world order" and the threat of a "globalist" government, often singling out Goldman Sachs and George Soros.'

 

Is he wrong ? - I sound Semitic - I don't think I am, yet I can spot the 'power players' - and there is a pattern.

 

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

• 'Farage came under fire for his 2016 anti-immigration poster, which depicted a line of refugees, the majority of whom were non-white and male, under the slogan "breaking point".

 

So he's under fire for commenting against 'white' Romanian immigrants... doesn't that contradict the above comment ?

... But, isn't the above comment not right ? a significant proportion of illegal immigrants are not white - thats just a fact and the photo used was not fabricated - it was simply a line of refugees - the skin colour is fact, not a racist slur against illegal immigrants and refugees.

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

So he's under fire for commenting against 'white' Romanian immigrants... doesn't that contradict the above comment ?

... But, isn't the above comment not right ? a significant proportion of illegal immigrants are not white - thats just a fact and the photo used was not fabricated - it was simply a line of refugees - the skin colour is fact, not a racist slur against illegal immigrants and refugees.

 

Come on, that poster was indefensible. A line of Syrian and Afghan refugees being escorted to a Slovenian refugee camp has nothing to do with migration to Britain, and absolutely nothing to do with whether or not we leave the EU. It was done deliberately to whip up xenophobic fear and was pretty vile, even for Farage.

 

Oh, and there's one prominent white person in the photo but they made sure to cover him up. Even a former UKIP MP denounced it saying it was "morally indefensible".

Wrong thread. Deleted/

 The Deakin letter, which surfaced, not in 2025, but in 2013. And it wasn't written in 1975, but in 1981, around about the time of the Brizton Riots, during which the police used the grounds of Dulwich College as an operational command centre.

 

https://www.scribd.com/doc/169454715/Nigel-Farage-1981-school-letter

 

Quote

 

From Chloë Deakin E3 Albany Piccadilly W1V 9RH 01-734 1717 and 1718

4th June 1981

Dear Master,

I am happy to say that I am not acquainted with N. P. Farage, or happy, because judging from the reports I have received he is not someone with whom I would wish to be acquainted; and because I am, therefore, able to write on the ground of no personal prejudice, but on that concerning principle.

You will recall that at the recent, and lengthy, meeting about the selection of prefects, the remark by a colleague that Farage was “a fascist, but that was no reason why he would not make a good prefect” invoked considerable reaction from members of the Common Room. Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views; and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set that he had to be removed from the lesson. This master stated his view that that behaviour was precisely why the boy should not be made a prefect. Yet another colleague described how, at a CCF camp organised by the College, Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler-youth songs; and when it was suggested by a master that boys who expressed such views “don’t really mean them”, the College Chaplain himself commented that, on the contrary, in his experience views of that kind expressed by boys of that age are deep-seated, and are meant.

[REDACTED BLOCK]

At the end of that meeting I had not a scintilla of doubt that after the facts disclosed to you, Farage’s nomination would no longer be considered. Nor, I imagine, had my colleagues; otherwise, we would have expressed ourselves even more strongly.

But yesterday I was told by a senior boy, in terms of disgust, that Farage was indeed to be selected; and today, of course, his appointment was announced in Assembly—an announcement, I gather, which was met with disbelief and derision. To say that it is too late to reverse this decision, or that Farage’s activities will be restricted to particular areas of College life, or that he will be supervised within them, is futile. His appointment will have four immediate consequences.

First, it will vastly increase his own confidence and sense of self-justification. Secondly, he will have the privilege of listing his appointment as a prefect at Dulwich College in his university and other applications. Thirdly, his peers, according to their own views, will either adopt him as an exemplar or, as is much more likely, regard his appointment with disillusionment and cynicism when they observe that his notorious views and behaviour, well known to both Master and members of the staff, are, as it would appear, condoned by them. Fourthly, those members of the Common Room, such as myself, who believed that a firm decision had been reached through a democratic process, will be shocked, saddened, angered, and disheartened.

[REDACTED BLOCK]

You will appreciate that I regard this as a very serious matter. I have often heard you tell our senior boys that they are the nation’s future leaders. It is our collective responsibility to ensure that these leaders are enlightened and compassionate. As you know, the national and educational press has recently given much prominence to the growing concern at the exploitation of school pupils by extremists of all kinds. A school of the stature and high reputation of Dulwich College, which openly condemned the recent troubles in Brixton and offered its facilities freely to the forces of law and order, ought not to be seen inside or outside its confines to be giving its endorsement, expressly or by implication, to budding extremists of the opposite kind.

A school which is proud of its selectiveness, conservatism, and discipline ought not to allow these characteristics to degenerate into intolerance, political extremism, or bullying of the nastiest kind in its pupils. The matter of the appointment of Farage as a prefect may be thought by some to be minuscule against these deep considerations. It is not so.

I am by disposition tolerant, and in politics moderate. But as a member of the Common Room, I find it distasteful that a boy such as Farage should have bestowed upon him the prestige of office and authority; were I a parent or a pupil, I would find it profoundly so.

In view, as I am aware, of the wide concern within the College about this matter, I am sending a copy of this letter to the chairman of the Common Room.

Yours very sincerely, [REDACTED SIGNATURE] Chloë Deakin

David Emms, Esq., MA The Master of Dulwich College

 

 

 

 

This is contemporous notes by the teaching Common Room about a particular 17 year old pupil, not a 12 year old pupil. A 17 year old old enough to smoke, join the army, get married at Gretna Green, go on the dole, blag it in the pub. And a few months from getting his first job at Maclaine Watson (at the time, a recent Drexel Burnham Lambert acquisition. Farage used to boast that "Wall Street" was based on Drexel Burnham Lambert)

 

I wasn't so lucky as to attend a Public school. I suppose because of that, I don't recall anyone goose stepping around the 6th Form Common Room, expressing Pro-Nazi sentiments that some of the Racists on this forum are a normal part of growing up.

 

Farage cannot deny that he held pro-Nazi views at one point in his life. He would probably say he no longer holds such views. So when did he stop being a Nazi?

 

His teachers say he sang Hitler Youth songs. No internet then, so no casually scrolling the phone during lights out and coming across something accidently. No, you'd have to go to the library, look through some books, scribble out the words in your wallpaper-covered jotter, to prepare for your party piece in Sussex during the CCF camp.

 

Some biographies say the Farage "decided" not to go to University, but instead went into the City. Farage describes in  A-Levels as "mediocre". In 1982, with a set of crap A-Levels, further education really wasn't a option then. He would have done 3 As, like something like CCD. There is implication in his autobiography, that from the results, he "decided" not to go to university. For those who didn't, at the time, during your final year, you would be deciding if you were going to leave with just A-Levels, or go on to University, and you would start amassing the prospectuses, doing the rounds, sitting interviews. He would have applied through UCCA (which . Typically, you would bepredated UCAS). Typically a university would make a conditional offer, based on points, not grades, so with the right combination of your grades you could get in. At any one time, you could only hold two "offers"; so if you received a 3rd offer, you would have to strategically decide which of the offers to drop. Typically most people would hold their favourite offer, and have a back up of their lowest offer, in case it went tits up (like for me, I wanted Imperial, but settled for Strathclyde, but if I had played my cards differently, it could have been Surrey).

 

Its not clear who paid his school fees; his pisshead dad abandoned young Farage when he was 5 years old, but one can assume that they didn't pay fees for the possibility he might become a shelfstacker. 

 

Without good enough grades, failing to make an offer, his future was decided for him. To not go to university wasn't a decision he made, because no university at the time would have him (there was a seperate system for the polytechnics, PCAS, but that didn't come about until a few years later, and it was certainly for thickos). With no real qualifications or prospects, Dad and Grandad fixed it for him to get a job in one of the old firms. Even back then, those firms would do Milk Rounds; the recruitment efforts for graduates. If you were working class without a degree you might have gotten in as a Runner. Otherwise the traditional alternative route for someone from a Public School, with only A-Levels, was Army nd Sandhurst, like Prince Harry.  Lack of a degree meant commissions would generally only be in the infantry, Green Jackets or something. Complete a short service commission, bang, job in the City with your mates. Out before GW1, activated from the reserves to sit around on a beach in Bahrain for 2 months, as a battle casualty replacement, and armed with "war stories". Some good postings available in Cyprus and Hong Kong, and exercises in Belize/Kenya. Good time to be in the army.

 

So somewhat interesting that someone who was in the CCF, which indicated an interest in the military, and that you could take all the saluting/military BS, didn't go into the Army.  You left school  summer of 82, Falklands War all on the telly, country gone army made, with tales of Argies, Yomping, and lads in playground talking authoritively about GIMPIEs, and Pucaras. Farage himself talked of thinking about the army "unchallenging camaraderie, the duties performed with undeserved ease, the travel, the jaunty social life". Instead, he did Walting WW1 Battlefield tours called "Farage's Foresters".  Of course, you'd need good references, and maybe the CCF CO being in receipt of reports you were goose stepping in a village singing the Horst Wessel song or whatever, might not be helpful.

 

 

Gammon in Salmon. Very far removed from the contrived persona of the ordinary bloke down the CAMRA pub. A Brooks Tavender pink suit seems more suited to Chablis. Along with a stupid hat.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

 The Deakin letter, which surfaced, not in 2025, but in 2013. And it wasn't written in 1975, but in 1981, around about the time of the Brizton Riots, during which the police used the grounds of Dulwich College as an operational command centre.

 

https://www.scribd.com/doc/169454715/Nigel-Farage-1981-school-letter

 

 

 

 

This is contemporous notes by the teaching Common Room about a particular 17 year old pupil, not a 12 year old pupil. A 17 year old old enough to smoke, join the army, get married at Gretna Green, go on the dole, blag it in the pub. And a few months from getting his first job at Maclaine Watson (at the time, a recent Drexel Burnham Lambert acquisition. Farage used to boast that "Wall Street" was based on Drexel Burnham Lambert)

 

I wasn't so lucky as to attend a Public school. I suppose because of that, I don't recall anyone goose stepping around the 6th Form Common Room, expressing Pro-Nazi sentiments that some of the Racists on this forum are a normal part of growing up.

 

Farage cannot deny that he held pro-Nazi views at one point in his life. He would probably say he no longer holds such views. So when did he stop being a Nazi?

 

His teachers say he sang Hitler Youth songs. No internet then, so no casually scrolling the phone during lights out and coming across something accidently. No, you'd have to go to the library, look through some books, scribble out the words in your wallpaper-covered jotter, to prepare for your party piece in Sussex during the CCF camp.

 

Some biographies say the Farage "decided" not to go to University, but instead went into the City. Farage describes in  A-Levels as "mediocre". In 1982, with a set of crap A-Levels, further education really wasn't a option then. He would have done 3 As, like something like CCD. There is implication in his autobiography, that from the results, he "decided" not to go to university. For those who didn't, at the time, during your final year, you would be deciding if you were going to leave with just A-Levels, or go on to University, and you would start amassing the prospectuses, doing the rounds, sitting interviews. He would have applied through UCCA (which . Typically, you would bepredated UCAS). Typically a university would make a conditional offer, based on points, not grades, so with the right combination of your grades you could get in. At any one time, you could only hold two "offers"; so if you received a 3rd offer, you would have to strategically decide which of the offers to drop. Typically most people would hold their favourite offer, and have a back up of their lowest offer, in case it went tits up (like for me, I wanted Imperial, but settled for Strathclyde, but if I had played my cards differently, it could have been Surrey).

 

Its not clear who paid his school fees; his pisshead dad abandoned young Farage when he was 5 years old, but one can assume that they didn't pay fees for the possibility he might become a shelfstacker. 

 

Without good enough grades, failing to make an offer, his future was decided for him. To not go to university wasn't a decision he made, because no university at the time would have him (there was a seperate system for the polytechnics, PCAS, but that didn't come about until a few years later, and it was certainly for thickos). With no real qualifications or prospects, Dad and Grandad fixed it for him to get a job in one of the old firms. Even back then, those firms would do Milk Rounds; the recruitment efforts for graduates. If you were working class without a degree you might have gotten in as a Runner. Otherwise the traditional alternative route for someone from a Public School, with only A-Levels, was Army nd Sandhurst, like Prince Harry.  Lack of a degree meant commissions would generally only be in the infantry, Green Jackets or something. Complete a short service commission, bang, job in the City with your mates. Out before GW1, activated from the reserves to sit around on a beach in Bahrain for 2 months, as a battle casualty replacement, and armed with "war stories". Some good postings available in Cyprus and Hong Kong, and exercises in Belize/Kenya. Good time to be in the army.

 

So somewhat interesting that someone who was in the CCF, which indicated an interest in the military, and that you could take all the saluting/military BS, didn't go into the Army.  You left school  summer of 82, Falklands War all on the telly, country gone army made, with tales of Argies, Yomping, and lads in playground talking authoritively about GIMPIEs, and Pucaras. Farage himself talked of thinking about the army "unchallenging camaraderie, the duties performed with undeserved ease, the travel, the jaunty social life". Instead, he did Walting WW1 Battlefield tours called "Farage's Foresters".  Of course, you'd need good references, and maybe the CCF CO being in receipt of reports you were goose stepping in a village singing the Horst Wessel song or whatever, might not be helpful.

 

 

Gammon in Salmon. Very far removed from the contrived persona of the ordinary bloke down the CAMRA pub. A Brooks Tavender pink suit seems more suited to Chablis. Along with a stupid hat.

 

 

You’re getting desperate.

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You’re getting desperate.

 

I'm certainly not desperate to chomp your higgots.  I'm not desperate about you at all, no matter how much you want me. Giver or receiver?

 

What's the point of your post, really? You could debate the issues raised, or even discuss the content of the letter, which I suspect you might have read quotes from in various articles, but not actually read the whole thing, or thought about Nigel Farage's post-school career. Or even ruminated why he voted for the Marxist Green party, merely because it was "Anti European" (which we now know was a policy pushed by the Soviet Union to weaken Western solidarity).

 

But your mono-syllabic posts merely mark you out as someone who doesn't think much about life. possibly bored with it all.

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

100%....

 

Weaponising the stupid things someone said at school is absolutely pathetic.

 

 

I would rather have an MP that made thoroughly stupid comments when they were at school than one that viciously beats a constituent to the ground when they were in a drunken stupor. Or one that breaks the speed limit then coerces his wife to take the points or one that knowingly breaks the law when letting out their property. So deep down Farage might not be a nice person but neither are the other 649. Where I live we have a particularly nasty individual fraudulently taking the salary and expenses of an MP but in fact doing and saying damn all. 

22 minutes ago, Geoff914 said:

I would rather have an MP that made thoroughly stupid comments when they were at school than one that viciously beats a constituent to the ground when they were in a drunken stupor. Or one that breaks the speed limit then coerces his wife to take the points or one that knowingly breaks the law when letting out their property. So deep down Farage might not be a nice person but neither are the other 649. Where I live we have a particularly nasty individual fraudulently taking the salary and expenses of an MP but in fact doing and saying damn all. 

...or one that uses their wife to buy a £885k house in their constituency (so they can pretend to be interested in what happens in Clacton) to avoid £44k in stamp duty that would be due on it as a second home. Even though he bragged about buying himself a house in Clacton when someone accused him of having no commitment to his constituency - whoops. Oh, and even worse when he had publicly attacked Angela Rayner for similar stamp duty issues. 

Oh, wait.....

Right so they are all the same. Maybe they shouldn't be so quick the attack the one who is going to kick their ar5e5 if four years time. 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04594/

These are just the sitting MPs who have received prison time since 1945. I wonder what Peter Baker (Conservative) did to get 7 years.

A few ex MPs who have been successfully prosecuted, John Stonehouse, Chris Huhne, Jonathan Aitkin, Imran Ahmad Khan, Eric Illsley, Elliot Morely, Jim Devine, David Chaytor, Dennis MacShane, Fiona Onasarya and the biggest of the lot Jeffrey Archer.

With a list that long you would think that being a crook was actually a prerequisite to be an MP.

Talking about criminal MPs how timely was this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g9dyd84lwo

 

The question is, does a criminal UK MP have to resign if they receive a prison sentence in another country or is it only if the receive a prison sentence in the UK?

3 minutes ago, Geoff914 said:

Talking about criminal MPs how timely was this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g9dyd84lwo

 

The question is, does a criminal UK MP have to resign if they receive a prison sentence in another country or is it only if the receive a prison sentence in the UK?

Only in the UK.

So we will now have an ethnic criminal MP sitting in the UK Government. Wonderful. I don't suppose she will resign or Starmer have her removed.

Being Jewish is not a race. Why are people calling each other racist? 

Makes no sense.

Then again, one person didn't know that. 

On 11/29/2025 at 8:22 AM, superal said:

     There is an urgent need to reduce the waiting time for trials . At present a rape case , as an example , can take 3 to 4 years to go to court . The current judicial system cannot cope with amount of crimes being committed . It is a catastrophic mess being caused by high crime rates . As much as I loathe Lammy , there has to be some radical changes , in order to cut the back log . Things could be a lot worse as many crimes go unreported because the police are unable to cope , having nowhere near enough police personnel . Crime rates have soared in recent years in line with immigration . Possible correlation ?

 

Northern Ireland did fine with Diplock courts, and not a peep from people in Great Britain

 

Various views of GB crime rate trends over recent times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingjune2025/pdf

On 11/27/2025 at 9:22 AM, Jumbo1968 said:

Posters are saying it was x amount of years ago but so were the accusations of TV personalities committed of sex offences against young girls.

 

Yeah, what was the actual evidence of Jimmy Savile's crimes? Hazy recollection. He was dead when it was "uncovered".

 

Farage could simply say sorry for what he said when he was 17 years old, and wholeheartedly denounce anti-semitism and racism in the same breath. But he keeps digging a hole for himself. But he hasn't; probably not because he necessarily thinks that way now, but because he knows he has some supporters who do, and if they are not voting for him, they'll either be staying at home or voting for Adam Walker or one of his no-hoper followers. And if he comes out with it, they'll not be voting for him, if they think he's one of "them". The polls for Reform are not as solid as some think, and it will still be the Middle Ground, the Middle Tories, who will decide the next election, which will be based on bread and butter issues such as taxation, economic competance, areas where Reform are weak on the specifics. Kemi is finding her legs; during the leadership elections, I didn't really favour her, but she was a better bet than Jenrick. But as a party member, I think the leadership have gotten it arse about face by getting the membership to vote on the final two, rather than voting to produce a shortlist of STV.

On 11/26/2025 at 6:08 AM, EastBayRay said:

Kids often made stupid comment like I slept with your mom or whatever especially 50 years ago