On 12/4/2025 at 12:41 AM, banyanman said:

The story has been updated now indicating that dashcam footage showed that the woman did not stop when crossing. It was clearly a case of reckless driving by the Thai female driver,

Clearly not at all. It was reckless walking , illegally across a 4 lane road 

Cannot comment on this case, but anybody who claims that roads in Thailand are safe...is either lying, or maybe has some mental issues or has abused on the cheap local Mekhong.  RIP to the victim on this tragedy. 

On 12/5/2025 at 9:45 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

 

This has absolutely ZERO to do with your opinion.

 

This is a video we are talking about.

 

You have not yet seen the video.

 

Before you provide your opinion, then first watch the entire video.

 

We are not referring to the dash-cam video, which is really not very helpful, and does not show the lead-up to the accident, for several seconds before the collision.

 

Why would you provide an opinion on something you have not seen?

This is not logical.

 

Logic should tell you:

 

a.  Watch the correct video.

B. Then, feel free to share your opinion.

 

As to quantifying, what is it that you want quantified.

 

This has NOTHING to do with quantification.

 

So, once again...can you please....

 

WATCH THE VIDEO

 

Then.

 

Feel free to provide us with your opinion.

 

Is this not the logical approach?

 

Why do things ass-backwards, and wind up with an erroneous conclusion and opinion?

 

 

The pedestrian illegally crossed the 4 lane road. And didn't even look at the direction of traffic.

 

Is there anything else I can help you with ?

 

Literally every person in this thread has done some distracted driving in their time. You probably did some today. 

On 12/4/2025 at 3:56 PM, AndyAndyAndy said:

If there is no pedestrian crossing it should not be drivers fault. 

 

You may be right.

I frequently cross when there is no pedestrian crossing and I will stop doing that. 

 

On 12/5/2025 at 7:51 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

 

After viewing the video from the camera which was attached to some utility pole...

It is obvious that the driver did NOT react before the collision.

 

There is a very high probability of the driver having been watching the phone, and manipulating the phone, rather than driving.

 

This is clearly careless, reckless, irrepsonsible driving with an 8000 pound truck.

 

The driver needs to sit and think about this, for a minimum of 10 years, in solitary confinement.

 

She must never drive again.

 

Why?

 

Because, it's impossible to cure dumb.

 

Also, this is basically a deep-seated personality trait that cannot be cured.

She thinks it OK to drive a huge truck, and not attend to the operation of the vehicle.

 

What an idiot.

And, idiocy cannot be cured.

 

You don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. This is the same case as why motorcyclists are hit all the time.

 

The phenomenon where motorists fail to see motorcycles is often due to a combination of human brain function and the motorcycle's small size. Key factors include inattentional blindness, tunnel vision, and the difficulty in judging the speed and distance of smaller objects. 

 

 

Why Drivers "Can't See" Motorcycles

Inattentional Blindness: The human brain constantly filters visual information to prevent overload. Drivers generally look for vehicles similar in size to their own (cars, SUVs, trucks) and may filter out a motorcycle even if it is in their direct line of sight because it is not what they expect to see.

 

Small Visual Profile: Due to their narrowness and smaller overall size, motorcycles are more easily hidden by blind spots and roadside obstructions compared to larger vehicles.

Difficulty with Depth Perception and Speed Judgment: People have trouble accurately judging the speed and distance of smaller objects. A driver might misjudge how close an oncoming motorcycle is, believing they have enough time to turn when they actually do not.

 

Motion-Induced Blindness: The brain is highly sensitive to relative motion. When a group of vehicles are moving at the same speed, the mind may "delete" certain objects, which can include a motorcycle traveling alongside other cars. (or pedestrians wandering 90 degrees onto the road in this case)

37 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

Clearly not at all. It was reckless walking , illegally across a 4 lane road 

 

This could be an argument for the drivers lawyer.

The Land Traffic Act (B.E. 2522 / 1979) in Thailand specifies that:
Pedestrians are prohibited from crossing outside the designated pedestrian crossing within a distance of 100 meters from the crossing point.

There is a crossing point within a 100M of where she crossed.

 

GammaGloubin literally said "you can't cure stupid" and he was referring to the driver.

 

Now just imagine for a moment that the pedestrian was Thia and the driver was a farang. Yeah.

3 hours ago, Harsh Jones said:

I won't be illegally crossing 4 lane roads in 3rd world countries when I'm 75

 

 Even now at 41, if I decided to do a runner on that road , id be fully aware of the danger.

 

She seemed to think she had the right of way which she kinda does.(per Canadian law) Just not in the way that she thinks 

probably she wasn't thinking too clearly , not uncommon at that age , as you said , Why was she even there?

4 hours ago, Middle Aged Grouch said:

Cannot comment on this case, but anybody who claims that roads in Thailand are safe...is either lying, or maybe has some mental issues or has abused on the cheap local Mekhong.  RIP to the victim on this tragedy. 

or like myself and most of the people I know both Thai and foreign, have successfully fully embraced and adapted to the style of  driving here  and as a result have driven hundreds of thousand of kilometers without major incident , and in the case of the westerners  a similar record back in their own countries

 There are some people who are generally just bad drivers and in many cases bad enough to be dangerous 

 Women , (of course)    and  geriatric ex-pats who just cannot accept that things are done a bit differently here,  there inflexibility is often not restricted to driving either.    Your rant clearly identifies you as the latter

This video explains very well how the human brain works and why it is extremely dangerous for pedestrians and motorcycles anywhere near a roadway. Your eyes lose 90% of their vision when you're just 20% off center for example. It's worth a watch 

 

https://youtu.be/x94PGgYKHQ0?si=Fwk5dT93ExHcXCS-

13 hours ago, Fruit Trader said:

 

This could be an argument for the drivers lawyer.

The Land Traffic Act (B.E. 2522 / 1979) in Thailand specifies that:
Pedestrians are prohibited from crossing outside the designated pedestrian crossing within a distance of 100 meters from the crossing point.

There is a crossing point within a 100M of where she crossed.

 

Do you honestly think she would have been safer if she'd been crossing at that designated crossing point? I'm sure there are numerous examples of people being killed on those crossings.

Personally, I am of the opinion that the driver was on the phone and didn't even see the victim until she heard the crunch of bones.

16 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

Do you honestly think she would have been safer if she'd been crossing at that designated crossing point?

 

No, but that's not the point of my post is it.

On 12/6/2025 at 1:12 AM, rattlesnake said:

 

Last August, in France, I was on an empty mountain road, I came out of a parking area and started driving on the left lane (too used to Thailand)… I quickly realised my mistake and came back on the right one, but gave my two passengers a bit of a fright. 

Many years ago, after drinking too much red wine, I drove my car on the left side of the road all the way10km home on a dark mountain road in the foothills of the Pyrenees, not meeting any other car and only realising my mistake when I fell out of the car at home.....

22 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

Do you honestly think she would have been safer if she'd been crossing at that designated crossing point? I'm sure there are numerous examples of people being killed on those crossings.

Personally, I am of the opinion that the driver was on the phone and didn't even see the victim until she heard the crunch of bones.

Of course she would be safer at a crosswalk ! 

 

The mental gymnastics people are doing because the pedestrian was white and the driver was Thai is a sight to behold. Just imagine the roles were reversed and the walker was Thai. Not a single one of these posters would be blaming the driver.

 

 The woman should not be crossing there, and should never cross in the fashion that she has. It's Jaywalking, which is illegal in Thailand.

The driver is not required to look out for things that should not be there. She appears to be mindful of the other vehicles around her. Perhaps she was having a glance in her mirrors which is a requirement every 20-30 seconds when driving at least where I am from.

 

If a car runs a red light and crosses your path your going to hit it. That woman ran a red light to cross that road.

She had no business being there.

 

11 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

Of course she would be safer at a crosswalk ! 

 

The mental gymnastics people are doing because the pedestrian was white and the driver was Thai is a sight to behold. Just imagine the roles were reversed and the walker was Thai. Not a single one of these posters would be blaming the driver.

 

 The woman should not be crossing there, and should never cross in the fashion that she has. It's Jaywalking, which is illegal in Thailand.

The driver is not required to look out for things that should not be there. She appears to be mindful of the other vehicles around her. Perhaps she was having a glance in her mirrors which is a requirement every 20-30 seconds when driving at least where I am from.

 

She wouldn't be safer at a crosswalk / pedestrian crossing...    not if she walked across without looking out for traffic and into the path of oncoming traffic....

 

And... Look at the pedestrian crossing further down the road - its right at the 'U-Turn' where cars are looking out for other cars making U-Turns and pulling into faster traffic... not looking for pedestrians. 

 

Crossing 6 lanes of quickly moving traffic is lethal...     only a bridge would be safe there.

 

 

11 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

If a car runs a red light and crosses your path your going to hit it. That woman ran a red light to cross that road.

She had no business being there.

 

What red light did she 'run' to cross the road ?

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

The driver is not required to look out for things that should not be there.

Really?  A driver should not look for debris, etc, in the road?  

20 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

Of course she would be safer at a crosswalk ! 

Crosswalks mean nothing to drivers in Thailand. 

There is also a total lack of crosswalks all over Thailand and mainly in popular beach towns like Hua Hin. It can become a real nightmare to cross a street. Very bad image for tourism. 

52 minutes ago, Sigmund said:

There is also a total lack of crosswalks all over Thailand and mainly in popular beach towns like Hua Hin. It can become a real nightmare to cross a street. Very bad image for tourism. 

There seem to be plenty of pedestrian overpasses but some people are too lazy to use them. 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, TedG said:

Crosswalks mean nothing to drivers in Thailand. 

First off, did you watch the video ?

 

Second, the attitude of 90% of the posters on this board is well known. If the roles were reversed and the Brit was driving and the Thai woman was cutting across the middle of a 4 lane road , stepping infront of moving cars expecting them to arbitrarily slow down and walking at the same speed with that "I shouldn't even have to look at the traffic" attitude, all of you would be singing the opposite tune.

Just now, Harsh Jones said:

First off, did you watch the video ?

Yes

4 hours ago, Sigmund said:

There is also a total lack of crosswalks all over Thailand and mainly in popular beach towns like Hua Hin. It can become a real nightmare to cross a street. Very bad image for tourism. 

 

It was reported that there was a legal crosswalk within 100 meters of the incident. This doesn't even qualify as an accident because the definition of accident means something happened unexpectedly. 

 

There is nothing unexpected about getting hit by a vehicle when you start crossing a 4 lane road and expect the drivers to arbitrarily slow down for you without even making eye contact with them and making your intentions to cross known. Just look straight ahead and start walking? Really ?

 

 

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

She wouldn't be safer at a crosswalk / pedestrian crossing...    not if she walked across without looking out for traffic and into the path of oncoming traffic....

 

 

To say that she would not be safer at a crosswalk or pedestrian crossing should be considered trolling and not a serious statement.  Take the vast majority of people who use the crosswalks and skatter them all over the road and then tell me what the results are. 

 

She walked across the road without looking out for traffic and into the path of oncoming traffic and she wasn't even at a crosswalk !

 

It is just complete madness