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2nd grand jury refuses to indict New York AG Letitia James:

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The grand jury rejected the Department of Justice's attempt to refile the case after a federal judge dismissed an earlier case based on the unlawful appointment of the U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia.

 

Federal prosecutors on Thursday failed to convince a majority of grand jurors to approve charges that James misled a bank to obtain favorable loan terms on a home mortgage, according to sources.

 

The charges were presented to a grand jury in the Eastern District of Virginia's Alexandria branch after a grand jury in Norfolk, Virginia, last week rejected the charges.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/2nd-time-grand-jury-refuses-indict-new-york/story?id=128279779

 

Some critic once described Waiting For Godot as a play in which nothing happens. Twice.

 

Now we have a sequel: Waiting For An Indictment. Does the Trump administration plan to top Becket and go for a three peat?

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    She may have escaped justice this time round but we have totally harrassed, stressed and humiliated her for a year now - with all that set to ratchet up for the next 3. We learned this from the lawfar

  • This is a truly remarkable achievement considering that only the prosecution gets to speak to the grand jury and present evidence. And it only requires a bare majority of jurors to return an indictmen

  • "we"?   Now there's some delusions of grandeur!   Also, willful ignorance, which is a hallmark of MAGAs.   The (lack of) subtlety might escape fascist MAGAs, but she was

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5 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

The grand jury rejected the Department of Justice's attempt to refile the case after a federal judge dismissed an earlier case based on the unlawful appointment of the U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia.

 

Federal prosecutors on Thursday failed to convince a majority of grand jurors to approve charges that James misled a bank to obtain favorable loan terms on a home mortgage, according to sources.

 

The charges were presented to a grand jury in the Eastern District of Virginia's Alexandria branch after a grand jury in Norfolk, Virginia, last week rejected the charges.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/2nd-time-grand-jury-refuses-indict-new-york/story?id=128279779

 

Some critic once described Waiting For Godot as a play in which nothing happens. Twice.

 

Now we have a sequel: Waiting For An Indictment.

This is a truly remarkable achievement considering that only the prosecution gets to speak to the grand jury and present evidence. And it only requires a bare majority of jurors to return an indictment. 

 

I am eagerly awaiting President Trump's sober and scholarly critique of this second failure. 

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1 hour ago, Alan Zweibel said:

I am eagerly awaiting President Trump's sober and scholarly critique of this second failure. 

General purpose response: Left-wing un-elected radical activist judges preventing me from doing the job I was elected to do. (even though it was the grand jury saying NIX)

She may have escaped justice this time round but we have totally harrassed, stressed and humiliated her for a year now - with all that set to ratchet up for the next 3. We learned this from the lawfaring left, that the process IS the punishment. Essentially her life is ruined. Mwahahaha love it🤣

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AI via Gemini:

1. Letitia James as a Potential Malicious Prosecution Plaintiff

 

The Legal Claim: To successfully sue for malicious prosecution, a plaintiff generally needs to prove four things:

 

- A criminal proceeding was initiated against them by the defendant.

- The proceeding was terminated in their favor.

- There was an absence of probable cause for the proceeding.

- The defendant acted with actual malice.

 

NB There was criminal referral on Ms. James but no grand jury indictment.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26078260-pulte-criminal-referral-james/

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AI via Gemini Take 2

 

Penalties in a malicious prosecution lawsuit aren't criminal punishments for the initial accuser but monetary damages awarded to the wrongly prosecuted person (the plaintiff) to compensate for losses like legal fees, damaged reputation, lost income, and emotional distress; these damages can be compensatory, aggravated (to cover enhanced suffering), and sometimes punitive (to punish the malicious initiator), aiming to make the victim whole and deter future abuse of the legal system. 

 

NB2 I hear the going rate is $1 billion.

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54 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

She may have escaped justice this time round but we have totally harrassed, stressed and humiliated her for a year now - with all that set to ratchet up for the next 3. We learned this from the lawfaring left, that the process IS the punishment. Essentially her life is ruined. Mwahahaha love it🤣

"we"?

 

Now there's some delusions of grandeur!

 

Also, willful ignorance, which is a hallmark of MAGAs.

 

The (lack of) subtlety might escape fascist MAGAs, but she was accused of a crime for doing something her mortgage application and loan specifically allows. Doing something that is specifically allowed has another term: legal.

 

Now Trump, OTOH, stole highly classified documents. He subsequently lied when told to return them all, when he kept many, requiring the search of his wedding planning facility. That's just one of his crimes, though his lackey judge was able to postpone the trial until the election.

 

Now while the stolen document issue is absolutely, clearly, 100%, slam dunk criminal, a jury would have had to decide his charges re Georgia ("Just find me...11,780 votes") and his charges for his direct participation in the horrific and embarrassing events of 6 January 2021.

 

Of course Trump is also a convicted felon (34 counts), a convicted charity fraudster, and a civilly convicted sexual assaulter.

 

If poster jerrymahoney and Gemini AI are correct, James may well be in for a financial bonanza if she sues malicious prosecution. She might get all the ill-gotten gains Trump finally made from his crypto meme scam. Heck, she could even get that B747 Qatar gifted him.

 

WINNING !!!!!!

 

Now while NY AG James quite clearly committed no crime, Trump could be accused of the exact crime for which he ordered his supposedly independent DoJ to indict James, as Trump got favorable rates on a mortgage for a property.

 

 

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1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

She may have escaped justice this time round but we have totally harrassed, stressed and humiliated her for a year now - with all that set to ratchet up for the next 3. We learned this from the lawfaring left, that the process IS the punishment. Essentially her life is ruined. Mwahahaha love it🤣

For an incorrect form? 

I thought she had done something wrong

3 minutes ago, Jim Blue said:

For an incorrect form? 

I thought she had done something wrong

She's lucky she never paid back a loan on time and in full isn't she🤣

6 minutes ago, Jim Blue said:

For an incorrect form? 

I thought she had done something wrong

 

You don't seem to get the irony that she prosecuted Trump for "incorrect forms".

 

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2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You don't seem to get the irony that she prosecuted Trump for "incorrect forms".

 

Whatever flaws there may have been in the case now subject to appeal, it was a civil case, not a criminal prosecution.

6 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You don't seem to get the irony that she prosecuted Trump for "incorrect forms".

 

Well I might be wrong but I bet he's filled out a few 

Incorrect forms in his time ....

6 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Whatever flaws there may have been in the case now subject to appeal, it was a civil case, not a criminal prosecution.

 

A civil case to the tune of half a billion dollars. 

 

With the specific intent to deprive American citizens of the right to vote for the candidate they voted for.

 

Edit:  That makes it a personal attack on me.

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32 minutes ago, Jim Blue said:

For an incorrect form? 

I thought she had done something wrong

Actually it wasn't about an incorrect form as it turns out. Basically, Trump wanted her prosecuted for something that at worst was ambiguous in the mortgage contract. 

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1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

She may have escaped justice this time round but we have totally harrassed, stressed and humiliated her for a year now - with all that set to ratchet up for the next 3. We learned this from the lawfaring left, that the process IS the punishment. Essentially her life is ruined. Mwahahaha love it🤣

Escaped justice? Despite the rantings of you and others, there never was a case. That's why a highly respected professional prosecutor with a Republican background, and  appointed by Trump, resigned rather than pursue this case. 

29 minutes ago, impulse said:

With the specific intent to deprive American citizens of the right to vote for the candidate they voted for.

There would be nothing about a liability decision in a civil case that would prevent anyone from running for or being president.

 

One of the appeal points is that the regulation cited is rarely if ever used when there is no direct material loss to NY State citizens. (click to enlarge)

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I decided to ask AI (chatgpt) if there were any cases of a federal grand jury returning no bill during the Biden administration. It couldn't find any.

 

It found at least 7 so far during the Trump administration.

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2 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

This is a truly remarkable achievement considering that only the prosecution gets to speak to the grand jury and present evidence. And it only requires a bare majority of jurors to return an indictment. 

 

I am eagerly awaiting President Trump's sober and scholarly critique of this second failure. 

He's still trying to get Lindsey Halligan installed as his lap dog, so there might still be further attempts.

11 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

There would be nothing about a liability decision in a civil case that would prevent anyone from running for or being president.

 

One of the appeal points is that the regulation cited is rarely if ever used when there is no direct material loss to NY State citizens. (click to enlarge)

 

You don't think that requiring a half a billion bond just to file an appeal would have taken the wind out of an ordinary campaign budget?

 

I wasn't even a Trump fan until I saw what they were doing to him and to our ability to vote for our chosen candidate.  Not just James.

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

She may have escaped justice this time round but we have totally harrassed, stressed and humiliated her for a year now - with all that set to ratchet up for the next 3. We learned this from the lawfaring left, that the process IS the punishment. Essentially her life is ruined. Mwahahaha love it🤣

Lmao 🤣 you are on a roll today!!love it when I see good people just fed up with this abomination……oh but wait there’s more a republican state house just refused to gerrymandering for poor Donald lmao 🤣 I’d bet money the crockery is flying at the White House tonight!!

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5 minutes ago, impulse said:

You don't think that requiring a half a billion bond just to file an appeal would have taken the wind out of an ordinary campaign budget?

An ordinary candidate does not have a $ multi-billion net worth.

 

But I repeatedly wrote at the time that the case, even if technically legal, was ill-advised as did multiple otherwise left-leaning legal experts.

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2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

She may have escaped justice this time round but we have totally harrassed, stressed and humiliated her for a year now - with all that set to ratchet up for the next 3. We learned this from the lawfaring left, that the process IS the punishment. Essentially her life is ruined. Mwahahaha love it🤣

Trump's sense of justice is special. That's why he's pardoned at least 3 grifters and absolved them of the obligation to pay back the victims of their fraud. 

7 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

I decided to ask AI (chatgpt) if there were any cases of a federal grand jury returning no bill during the Biden administration. It couldn't find any.

 

It found at least 7 so far during the Trump administration.

 

You realize, of course, that there are a couple of different ways to interpret that snippet?

 

Kind of like the way that they only sent 77 of the 16,000+ arrestees during BLM to prison, while they sent the majority of Jan6 arrestees to custodial sentences.  Does that mean burning and looting were less serious than walking into the Capitol, or does that mean there was a dual standard of justice?

 

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4 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You don't think that requiring a half a billion bond just to file an appeal would have taken the wind out of an ordinary campaign budget?

 

I wasn't even a Trump fan until I saw what they were doing to him and to our ability to vote for our chosen candidate.  Not just James.

Just another highly credible version of I don't like Trump but.

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Just another highly credible version of I don't like Trump but.

 

I don't didn't like Trump but.

 

Fixed it for you.

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2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You realize, of course, that there are a couple of different ways to interpret that snippet?

 

Kind of like the way that they only sent 77 of the 16,000+ arrestees during BLM to prison, while they sent the majority of Jan6 arrestees to custodial sentences.  Does that mean burning and looting were less serious than walking into the Capitol, or does that mean there was a dual standard of justice?

 

What's this got to do with grand juries failing to return indictments? What's this got to do with prosecutors resigning or being fired rather than pursue indictments. Deflecting much?

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

I don't didn't like Trump but.

 

Fixed it for you.

I had something similar during the 2 or so years before Trump version 2 NOV 2024 in that I said I do not want Trump to again be president, but some of these cases really stink.

 

And I was hounded by: We don't believe you -- You're a Trump-er for sure.

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2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

She may have escaped justice this time round but we have totally harrassed, stressed and humiliated her for a year now - with all that set to ratchet up for the next 3. We learned this from the lawfaring left, that the process IS the punishment. Essentially her life is ruined. Mwahahaha love it🤣

She hasn’t escaped justice.

 

She’s not been indicted, there’s no justice for her to escape.

 

Failing that you pin your hopes on harassment.

 

Sad really.

10 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You realize, of course, that there are a couple of different ways to interpret that snippet?

 

Kind of like the way that they only sent 77 of the 16,000+ arrestees during BLM to prison, while they sent the majority of Jan6 arrestees to custodial sentences.  Does that mean burning and looting were less serious than walking into the Capitol, or does that mean there was a dual standard of justice?

 

False equivalence.

 

Rioting v violent attempt to overthrow an election.

 

 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

She hasn’t escaped justice.

 

She’s not been indicted, there’s no justice for her to escape.

 

Failing that you pin your hopes on harassment.

 

Sad really.

Bingo!!

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3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I don't didn't like Trump but.

 

Fixed it for you.

Thanks for leaving its credibility exactly

as it was before.

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