1 hour ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Are you serious? Russia is the master of the false flag. They even killed 300 of there own people to help the scumbag Putin take power. Trump spoke of Nigerian scum when he bombed north western Nigeria. He was talking to Russia scum on the phone on Sunday. 

 

History lesson:

A series of explosions in September 1999 destroyed apartment buildings in Moscow, Buinaksk, and Volgodonsk, killing over 300 civilians. Russian authorities blamed Chechen terrorists, using the attacks to justify resuming the Second Chechen War and boosting Vladimir Putin's rise to power. Critics, including exiled figures like Alexander Litvinenko and journalist David Satter, allege it was an FSB-orchestrated false flag. Key evidence includes the Ryazan incident, where FSB agents were caught planting hexogen (the same explosive) in another building but claimed it was a "training exercise." Investigations were curtailed, and independent inquiries blocked, leaving it unproven but with substantial circumstantial suspicion.

Alas a 150 word deflection response but you didn't manage to answer the question. What would Putin gain from a false flag? IMO the EU has more to gain from this. Destabalise the negotiations and continue the war and thus in their minds continue to weaken Russia. The EU has never cared about Ukraine or the people dying. The EU's priority is to weaken Russia. Again. What has Putin got to gain from this according to you false flag?

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Alas a 150 word deflection response but you didn't manage to answer the question. What would Putin gain from a false flag? IMO the EU has more to gain from this. Destabalise the negotiations and continue the war and thus in their minds continue to weaken Russia. The EU has never cared about Ukraine or the people dying. The EU's priority is to weaken Russia. Again. What has Putin got to gain from this according to you false flag?

Right on cue with nonsense, guessing to the extreme, nonsense..........

There's something wrong with you, I think Commie tendencies.........Shameful......😟

17 minutes ago, transam said:

Right on cue with nonsense, guessing to the extreme, nonsense..........

There's something wrong with you, I think Commie tendencies.........Shameful......😟

Good on you. Your usual contribution to a serious topic and ANOTHER personal attack (with emojis of course). Pitiful. Why don't you answer the question? What has Putin got to gain from a false flag? My GUESS is you won't answer this question but reply with your usual nasty puerile nonsense (with emojis of course). BTW I don't know if this attack happened or not as of up until now I've seen no evidence either way. This will come out but the thing is it seems Trump believes it. Fact is it's an interesting development. Did it happen and why or was it a false flag and why?  It would be nice if you could respond to this as an adult and address the topic. 

16 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Good on you. Your usual contribution to a serious topic and ANOTHER personal attack (with emojis of course). Pitiful. Why don't you answer the question. What has Putin got to gain from a false flag? My GUESS is you won't answer this question but reply with your nasty puerile nonsense (with emojis of course). BTW I don't know if this attack happened or not. This will come out.

 

What Putin might gain from his false flag operation: 

 

1. Revision of Peace Negotiations: The Kremlin immediately used the incident to announce it would "revise" and "toughen" its negotiating position in peace talks. '' Those terrible Ukrainians attacking one of my countless palaces! How underhand of them, this is seriously going to affect the conditions of any deal, Donald.''

 

2. Justification for Escalation:  '' Right boys, this gives us the perfect excuse to go after Ukrainian state buildings, Zelensky's home, where his kids live, whatever.''

 

3. Undermining Security Guarantees: '' If we, Russia get away with this false flag, just think what we can do in the future! Bomb ourselves and claim it's Ukraine. You see, Donald, these security guarantees aren't worth a Russian ruble, can't trust these Ukrainians.''

 

4. Influence Trump: The timing of the claim, straight after the talks at Mar-a-Lago, could influence the extremely gullible Trump to believe Ukraine is an unreliable state, insincere about peace, enabling Donald to walk away from peace talks.

 

5. Domestic Mobilization: ''Look our fellow Russian peasants, those nasty Ukrainians are going for your beloved leader, additional troop mobilizations, now!''

 

6. Shifting the Narrative: '' Look world! We're the victims, forced to defend ourselves against reckless actions by the neo Nazis!''

 

 

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Straw man garbage.

There has been no trend of anti-Putin people here or anywhere favoring murdering him.

On the other hand, Putin has been trying to murder Zelinskyy since the start of his 2022 invasion.

You've picked as a side, that's for sure.

Laughs   You haven't called me Putin's Puppet yet.  

Just now, connda said:

Laughs   You haven't called me Putin's Puppet yet.  

You don't have any power. The Putin's poodle label is for people with power -- such as Trump and Orban.

5 minutes ago, bannork said:

 

What Putin might gain from his false flag operation: 

 

1. Revision of Peace Negotiations: The Kremlin immediately used the incident to announce it would "revise" and "toughen" its negotiating position in peace talks. '' Those terrible Ukrainians attacking one of my countless palaces! How underhand of them, this is seriously going to affect the conditions of any deal, Donald.''

 

2. Justification for Escalation:  '' Right boys, this gives us the perfect excuse to go after Ukrainian state buildings, Zelensky's home, where his kids live, whatever.''

 

3. Undermining Security Guarantees: '' If we, Russia get away with this false flag, just think what we can do in the future! Bomb ourselves and claim it's Ukraine. You see, Donald, these security guarantees aren't worth a Russian ruble, can't trust these Ukrainians.''

 

4. Influence Trump: The timing of the claim, straight after the talks at Mar-a-Lago, could influence the extremely gullible Trump to believe Ukraine is an unreliable state, insincere about peace, enabling Donald to walk away from peace talks.

 

5. Domestic Mobilization: ''Look our fellow Russian peasants, those nasty Ukrainians are going for your beloved leader, additional troop mobilizations, now!''

 

6. Shifting the Narrative: '' Look world! We're the victims, forced to defend ourselves against reckless actions by the neo Nazis!''

 

 

This is right up that with claims that "Russians are bombing their own positions, " and "Russia blew up their own pipeline."  When caught, just come up with the wildest conspiracy theory that you can imagine.  

Speaking of conspiracy, there is one going around now about the timing of the attack.  It seems Trump had a call with Putin before the Zelinsky meeting, and Trump told Putin that he would call him after the Zelinsky meeting was over.  It seems the drone attack on Putin was launched during the Trump-Zelinsky meeting considering that the US knew Putin's location and knew where Putin was going to be - waiting for Trump's call after the Zelinsky meeting.  So the US president so many of you hate may have set up Putin for a Ukrainian hit.

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You don't have any power. The Putin's poodle label is for people with power -- such as Trump and Orban.

Laughs 🤣  

4 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Suck it up Putin , payback for the Ukrainian schools ,hospitals,civilian homes

you are bombing everyday.

 

regards worgeordie

 

We'll see how you suck it up after the counterstrike on the conman in Kiev

4 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Suck it up Putin , payback for the Ukrainian schools ,hospitals,civilian homes

you are bombing everyday.

 

regards worgeordie

 

If only Ukraine really had that capacity to attack that mangy rabid bear in his den....

Very much doubt it's true. Putin slithers and lies as easily as he breathes.

He has zero intention of negotiating any peace deal.

Ukraine knows this. Europe knows this.

Yet we all have to pretend that Trump is achieving something/anything because Trump whether we like it or not wields a huge amount of power.

Much as I sympathise with US citizens who never voted for this, when they failed to bring him to book after his first 'Presidency' they endangered not only themselves but dragged all of us down with them; and let us be clear, Europe is scrabbling and preparing for war. Tragic and terrifying in equal measure.

4 hours ago, brian69 said:

His own drone, or an activist against Putin ?

An activist against Putin? We wish. He is well entrenched and you only have to look at how effectively he with utter ruthlessness has destroyed any/all challengers. Navalny anyone? 

4 minutes ago, bannork said:

 

What Putin might gain from his false flag operation: 

 

1. Revision of Peace Negotiations: The Kremlin immediately used the incident to announce it would "revise" and "toughen" its negotiating position in peace talks. '' Those terrible Ukrainians attacking one of my countless palaces! How underhand of them, this is seriously going to affect the conditions of any deal, Donald.''

 

2. Justification for Escalation:  '' Right boys, this gives us the perfect excuse to go after Ukrainian state buildings, Zelensky's home, where his kids live, whatever.''

 

3. Undermining Security Guarantees: '' If we, Russia get away with this false flag, just think what we can do in the future! Bomb ourselves and claim it's Ukraine. You see, Donald, these security guarantees aren't worth a Russian ruble, can't trust these Ukrainians.''

 

4. Influence Trump: The timing of the claim, straight after the talks at Mar-a-Lago, could influence the extremely gullible Trump to believe Ukraine is an unreliable state, insincere about peace, enabling Donald to walk away from peace talks.

 

5. Domestic Mobilization: ''Look our fellow Russian peasants, those nasty Ukrainians are going for your beloved leader, additional troop mobilizations, now!''

 

6. Shifting the Narrative: '' Look world! We're the victims, forced to defend ourselves against reckless actions by the neo Nazis!''

 

 

1. Peace negotiations are more important to the side losing. No need for a Russian false flag.

2. Escalation? What escalation. Russia continues to hit Ukraine with drones and missiles and the battlefield is going their way and seems to be increasing rapidly (in terms of  attritional warfare) especially in the move toward Zaprizhzhia. 

3. Yes false flags can be used by either side to renew conflict.

4 Influence Trump to walk away from the peace talks. Yes, but it won't alter the fact that Putin will get the territory he wants either by war or negotiation. Influencing Trump to walk  away from the peace talks would also be beneficial to the EU main powers and as I have previously stated they want Russian power to be severely reduced.

5. Russia has already instigated extra troop mobilisation. 

6. Yes, Nazism is a factor in the Eastern Ukraine and is part of the narrative. Russian troops continue to take ground in Eastern Ukraine so what would be the point of a false flag?  

 

11 minutes ago, connda said:

Speaking of conspiracy, there is one going around now about the timing of the attack.  It seems Trump had a call with Putin before the Zelinsky meeting, and Trump told Putin that he would call him after the Zelinsky meeting was over.  It seems the drone attack on Putin was launched during the Trump-Zelinsky meeting considering that the US knew Putin's location and knew where Putin was going to be - waiting for Trump's call after the Zelinsky meeting.  So the US president so many of you hate may have set up Putin for a Ukrainian hit.

Wow. Rabbit hole city.

23 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You don't have any power. The Putin's poodle label is for people with power -- such as Trump and Orban.

Is this the best you've got? You sound like a child.

14 minutes ago, connda said:

Speaking of conspiracy, there is one going around now about the timing of the attack.  It seems Trump had a call with Putin before the Zelinsky meeting, and Trump told Putin that he would call him after the Zelinsky meeting was over.  It seems the drone attack on Putin was launched during the Trump-Zelinsky meeting considering that the US knew Putin's location and knew where Putin was going to be - waiting for Trump's call after the Zelinsky meeting.  So the US president so many of you hate may have set up Putin for a Ukrainian hit.

Putin wasn't there. If this happened it wasn't to take Putin out it was to show that it can be done. Thing is the Russia's are saying all 91 drones were downed but without any evidence this is pinch of salt stuff. Let's see what comes out. As I've previously said no evidence one way or the other.

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

False flag.

A Putin specialty.

This for an audience of one. The reality tv star U.S. president.

This way as Putin wasn't going to budge at all on his negotiating position, he is persuading Trump to blame Zelinsky for the farcical "peace process" to break down, not him.

Not a very hard task as Trump loves Putin and detests Zelinsky.

Absolutely. Watching Putin play Trump is like watching a cat play with a mouse. Putin is having fun.

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Wow. Rabbit hole city.

I dug it just for you.  I'm hoping you'll "insult" me again so I can roll on the floor laughing.  You're better than a Dave Chappelle Comedy routine! 

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Putin wasn't there.

Yeah - his been living in the Kremlin from what I've heard. 

18 minutes ago, connda said:

Speaking of conspiracy, there is one going around now about the timing of the attack.  It seems Trump had a call with Putin before the Zelinsky meeting, and Trump told Putin that he would call him after the Zelinsky meeting was over.  It seems the drone attack on Putin was launched during the Trump-Zelinsky meeting considering that the US knew Putin's location and knew where Putin was going to be - waiting for Trump's call after the Zelinsky meeting.  So the US president so many of you hate may have set up Putin for a Ukrainian hit.

Nah. That would mean Trump & Co were actually on the side of Ukraine and playing a deep clever game or trying to. With Trump what you see is what you get. A vain shallow man with the empathy and intelligence of a turnip.

5 minutes ago, Chutney said:

Nah. That would mean Trump & Co were actually on the side of Ukraine and playing a deep clever game or trying to. With Trump what you see is what you get. A vain shallow man with the empathy and intelligence of a turnip.

Ah! Nice of you to share your opinion. What do you think things would be like if Harris won. Any opinion on that?

29 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Ah! Nice of you to share your opinion. What do you think things would be like if Harris won. Any opinion on that?

Attention! Attention! Incoming diversion.

Michael ain't wrong.

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Michael ain't wrong.

 

 

 

 

Interesting there's no intelligence shared here.

19 hours ago, connda said:

Lavrov described the claimed assault as an act of "state terrorism"

right

So, a drone attack against some random soldiers is ok, but a drone attack against the man who give those soldiers orders is cause for outrage?  

 

 

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Good on you. Your usual contribution to a serious topic and ANOTHER personal attack (with emojis of course). Pitiful. Why don't you answer the question? What has Putin got to gain from a false flag? My GUESS is you won't answer this question but reply with your usual nasty puerile nonsense (with emojis of course). BTW I don't know if this attack happened or not as of up until now I've seen no evidence either way. This will come out but the thing is it seems Trump believes it. Fact is it's an interesting development. Did it happen and why or was it a false flag and why?  It would be nice if you could respond to this as an adult and address the topic. 

That's obvious! Putin will use it as a pretext to reject the peace plan, and Trump will pretend to believe him (and blame Zelenski for it)! 🙂

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Alas a 150 word deflection response but you didn't manage to answer the question. What would Putin gain from a false flag? IMO the EU has more to gain from this. Destabalise the negotiations and continue the war and thus in their minds continue to weaken Russia. The EU has never cared about Ukraine or the people dying. The EU's priority is to weaken Russia. Again. What has Putin got to gain from this according to you false flag?

The EU has taken in millions of Ukrainians forced to flee Putin's murderous war.

 By late 2025, there are roughly 5.3 to 6.3 million Ukrainian refugees across Europe, with about 4.2 to 4.3 million in EU countries under temporary protection, primarily in Germany (over 1.2 million) and Poland (around 1 million), though numbers fluctuate as people move, with Germany now hosting the most. 

1 hour ago, connda said:

Speaking of conspiracy, there is one going around now about the timing of the attack.  It seems Trump had a call with Putin before the Zelinsky meeting, and Trump told Putin that he would call him after the Zelinsky meeting was over.  It seems the drone attack on Putin was launched during the Trump-Zelinsky meeting considering that the US knew Putin's location and knew where Putin was going to be - waiting for Trump's call after the Zelinsky meeting.  So the US president so many of you hate may have set up Putin for a Ukrainian hit.

And it's not like Russia would be able use network technology in order to hide Putin's actual location....🙂