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Zelenskyy and Trump Move Toward Historic Ukraine Security Deal

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4 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

You don't get to be a Billionaire and the President of the USA, by being a moron.

 

True. You let the slightly dim quotient of the US electorate do it for you.

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11 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

True. You let the slightly dim quotient of the US electorate do it for you.

So are you saying the almost 80 million that put President Trump in office are all 'dim'??☹️

Yeah right🤔

“The moon is made of cheese. Lovely cheese. I heard about it from president Putin this morning.”

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16 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

So are you saying the almost 80 million that put President Trump in office are all 'dim'??☹️

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23 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Which of the 8 wars he ended(which the democrats could even dream of ending) was the most triggering for the liberal hivemind? If he ends the Thai/Khymer war again that will be NINE

 

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Ah, nice to see the "hivemind" is back as a feature of the discussion!

I have to say that I don't have a clue what it is, but as it is a feature of "liberals" ( which of course means an entirely different thing in The Land of The Free to the rest of the world) I am sure that it is, shall we say, not entirely supportive of the current US administration's policies, nor perhaps of it's Fragrant Leader; but then I lack @SunnyinBangrak 's political sophistication̈, and his discerning grasp of global affairs, particularly when it comes to putting an end to wars...

Still it is a jolly good buzzword to liven up the dead days between Christmas and New Year!

8 minutes ago, BKKKevin said:

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"Carl Sagan warns that once we've been bamboozled long enough, we cling to the lie because admitting we've been fooled hurts too much.

Nice theory, but it falls flat here.

Those 80 million Americans who voted Trump back into office in 2024 aren't dazed cultists too embarrassed to wake up—they're the ones who did wake up.

Many of them voted Obama in 2008 and 2012, then watched promises on jobs, peace, and fairness evaporate under both parties.

They didn't double down out of pain; they switched sides because the evidence hit them in the wallet, the border, and the grocery bill.If anyone got bamboozled and can't let go, it's not the Trump voter stubbornly rejecting 'truth'—it's the perennial establishment believer who still insists the system wasn't rigged against them, long after the curtain's been yanked back.

Sagan's quote is a clever caution, but applying it to half the electorate just proves his own point in reverse: some folks would rather call their opponents dim than admit they might have been the ones taken for a ride."coffee1

21 hours ago, connda said:

It may take two to tango, but Zelensky and Trump can make up peace agreements until the cows come home, but until those "peace agreements" align with Russian "red line" demands that Putin outlined in May 2024 (Ukraine demilitarization, respect for the ethnic Russian population including language and religion, neutrality of Ukraine as a nation, and acceptance that Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia are now part of Russia) then Russia will just continue the Special Military Operation. In April 2022 if Zelinsky had accepted the Istanbul Accords, then Ukraine would have given up a small section of the Donbass.  Now, as has been reiterated by the Russian President, if Ukraine wants to continue the fight, they will keep losing territory (Yeah I know - the Ukraine military is winning. Feel free to believe that fantasy - up to you). 
In 2022 Ukraine would have given up on part of the Donesk.  Now they will have to give up Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia as the citizens of those oblasts voted to join the Russian Federation.  If this continues Russia will no doubt gain Dnipropetrovsk, Sumy, Mykolaiv, and Odessa and then hold referendums to offer citizens in those oblasts the opportunity to join the Russian Federation. 

As much as pro-Ukraine proponents want to deny it, the reason this is happening is because of Ukraine oppression of ethnic Russians in Ukraine including outlawing the Russian language, Orthodox Russian religion, and ethnic Russia culture - and Russia just isn't going to allow that to happen. Secondly, was NATO's push to put its troops right on Russia's borders with Ukraine as a full member of NATO acting as its proxy spearhead to threaten the Russian Federation - and Russia isn't going to allow that to happen either.  Really, would the United States allow a Chinese, Russian, and Latin American military alliance to push right up the the US Southern border with Mexican troops amassing a military presence to threaten US sovereignty?  No, they would not. 

From AI

No, Ukraine has not banned the Russian language, but it has passed laws prioritizing Ukrainian as the state language, requiring its use in many public spheres (media, education, state jobs) and limiting Russian in some public contexts, especially after 2014 and the full-scale invasion, leading to increased restrictions and removal from school curricula, though private conversation remains free. Russia has claimed a ban, but Ukraine's laws focus on promoting Ukrainian, not outright prohibiting Russian for individuals. 

Key Laws & Policies:

  • 2019 Language Law:

    Made Ukrainian compulsory in over 30 public life areas (education, media, healthcare, administration) but allowed for minority language use in specific contexts like private use or some cultural events. 

  1. Post-2022 Restrictions:

    Following the full-scale invasion, more severe measures were enacted, including removing Russian from school curricula and restricting its public cultural products (music, books, shows) in some cities like Kyiv and Odesa. 

  2. Constitutional Guarantee:

    Ukraine's Constitution guarantees the free development and use of Russian and other minority languages, but emphasizes Ukrainian as the state language. 

7 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

"Carl Sagan warns that once we've been bamboozled long enough, we cling to the lie because admitting we've been fooled hurts too much.

Nice theory, but it falls flat here.

Those 80 million Americans who voted Trump back into office in 2024 aren't dazed cultists too embarrassed to wake up—they're the ones who did wake up.

Many of them voted Obama in 2008 and 2012, then watched promises on jobs, peace, and fairness evaporate under both parties.

They didn't double down out of pain; they switched sides because the evidence hit them in the wallet, the border, and the grocery bill.If anyone got bamboozled and can't let go, it's not the Trump voter stubbornly rejecting 'truth'—it's the perennial establishment believer who still insists the system wasn't rigged against them, long after the curtain's been yanked back.

Sagan's quote is a clever caution, but applying it to half the electorate just proves his own point in reverse: some folks would rather call their opponents dim than admit they might have been the ones taken for a ride."coffee1

Ok, ok already, the 75 million and change others that voted for Harris are only marginally more dim than the 77 million and change "winners."

Collectively, the 152 and change voters are as dim as a candle in a Guinness bottle.

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