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The Serious Discussions Likely Taking Place in NATO Capitals

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4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

He's a mover and shaker, not a rabid dog.

The "old order" is being disrupted by Trump.

Well, so ... is everything supposed to stay the same forever and ever?

But why throw out the baby with the bath water?

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    Sure. Americans are desperate to get back to boys being girls, open borders with welfare for all and more banana republic lawfare. Democrats have the approval rating of genital warts.

  • The US is the 800-pound gorilla in Nato. If you had any thoughts that European leaders might stand up to Trump the pic below should disabuse you of them. That sorry lot is terrified of Trump, or, more

  • I encourage the member nations of NATO to kick the USA out of NATO, and close all US bases in Europe.

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7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Canada has not really turned to China. It had a massive amount of canola about to rot in overflowing storage bins and couldn't give the oilseed away. The PM and his entourage were using burner phones during their Chinese visit and were not allowed to engage in any sensitive information exchanges with their offices outside of the embassy. That should tell you how much Canada trusts the Chinese. Everything China promised is indefinite and is an undertaking and not guaranteed. Yes, it is a necessary start, but the Chinese are not there to help Canada.

China is not to be trusted and neither is Trump. Like two peas in a pod.

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10 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Trump's recent comments dismissing Denmark's sovereignty over Greenland—arguing it's invalid because "they had a boat land there 500 years ago"—reflect a simplistic and historically inaccurate view that ignores centuries of established ties, treaties, and international law. This rhetoric, combined with threats of forceful acquisition, comes across as unhinged for a sitting president, echoing colonial-era justifications and risking alliances like NATO.

Trumps has no clue what historical precedent is.

6 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

But why throw out the baby with the bath water?

whats the baby and the bathwater?

sorry you lost me

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9 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

whats the baby and the bathwater?

sorry you lost me

Change is fine, but sometimes it is best not to change everything. If you require a further explanation, let me know.

On 1/19/2026 at 2:40 PM, Wingate said:

It is an absolute certainty that in NATO capitals today, as well as in the halls of power of NATO member nations, there are some hushed-tone discussions taking place about how to address Trump’s threats.

 

As fantastical as it sounds, there is likely serious consideration taking place about literally taking Trump out. Even more fantastical, however, is the fact that Trump has threatened military force against an ally and NATO member. His threats must be taken seriously, and undoubtedly they are.

 

Article 5 of the NATO Charter demands member nations respond to aggression against a fellow member, so it would be a dereliction of duty not to be having these discussions.

 

Trump represents a threat to a NATO member. NATO will not engage in a first strike, but undoubtedly it will respond if Trump actually unleashes military force against Greenland. It must be so. The world would both demand and support it, as would a majority of Americans.

 

It is not unreasonable to assume plans are being drawn up as to how to remove Trump. There may be mock-ups of Mar-a-Lago being constructed, the same way the US constructed mock-ups of Osama bin Laden’s Abbottabad refuge. Plans under consideration would include a direct assault, or some sort of tactical weapon that would vaporize Mar-a-Lago. Also to be considered would be how to get Trump when he’s on one of his golf courses, as that would minimize collateral damage.

 

Certainly France and Germany, inter alia, have commando teams with the skills and talents necessary to carry out such an attack, particularly since they’d only be dealing with civilian Secret Service. Recall that those types even missed a pimply-faced kid who took a shot at Trump during a campaign rally. They would be no match for the French or Germans.

 

Some might think the US would respond to the removal of Trump, but I would guess truly patriotic generals, who are well aware of the benefit the US has gotten from NATO membership since the alliance’s founding, would quash any attempt by their drunkard Secretary to retaliate.

 

The aggression Trump has threatened is illegal both within NATO and by international law. It would have to be addressed, and likely with violence. He would be bringing it on himself, and he would get what he deserved.

 

The fact that these matters are with near absolute certainty being discussed today is an indication of just how far the US has sunk in the world’s eyes under Trump. Even some Republican Congresspeople have stated that should Trump launch military action against Greenland, that would be an impeachable offense. NATO members cannot impeach, so their response would have to be far more serious.

 

If Trump has any sane people in his entire Administration, they would be wise to inform Trump of this possibility, even likelihood.

 

The thinking within NATO would be that rabid dogs must be put down.

... yep, good turf around there in that regard, after all it took 'em 6000 years give or take to recover the good old Ötzmeister (Ötzi The Iceman) !

8 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

China is not to be trusted and neither is Trump. Like two peas in a pod.

I think Carney said it best, the old world order of relationships based on rules and trust is over. There is no room for nostalgia. If the middle powers are not proactive they will be on the menu. The worst part of this is that I don't think there is going to be any way to rebuild the trust until a new generation of Americans comes along. Who will stand up to China now if there isn't a common front?

On 1/19/2026 at 2:40 PM, Wingate said:

As fantastical as it sounds, there is likely serious consideration taking place about literally taking Trump out. Even more fantastical, however, is the fact that Trump has threatened military force against an ally and NATO member. His threats must be taken seriously, and undoubtedly they are.

I foresee the US and Russia becoming allies.

I wonder how the far left governments in Europe under German rule will deal with that?

16 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

Only the 'deal' is never done.

No matter how many times a country submits to Trump's tariff taxes (on American consumers), in regards to trade, in regards to defense spending, in regards to access, in regards to ballroom square footage, our one trick pony (p)resident will pull out the tariff tax club again any time his demands aren't immediately met.

US President Donald Trump threatened to impose 200 percent tariffs on French wines and Champagnes on Monday evening, a measure he said was intended to convince his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron to join his "Board of Peace" aimed at resolving global conflicts.

https://www.france24.com/en/trump-threatens-200-tariff-french-wine-macron-refusal-join-board-of-peace

"I may put a tariff on countries if they don't go along with Greenland, because we need Greenland for national security," Trump said at an unrelated event on rural health care at the White House.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-threatens-tariffs-nations-support-aim-acquire-greenland/story?id=129283902

President Donald Trump threatened Monday to impose a 25 percent tariff on “any country” doing business with Iran, potentially affecting U.S. trade with China, India, the United Arab Emirates, the European Union and others.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/12/trump-threatens-25-percent-tariff-on-any-country-that-trades-with-iran-00723448

You missed the point - one deal at a time. Trump never agreed to maintain tariffs at any set level forever. What he did say was that he would use tariffs to achieve diplomatic requirements - because trying to get things sorted through EU and UN is a waste of time.

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I completely agree there is no doubt that many serious discussions are taking place amongst serious men and women, unlike the circus clown who does not have a serious nanogram of flesh is in his entire body or mind.

There is no question that the re-election of Trump is a wet dream for both Putin, Xi, and all despots around the world. Having somebody so fabulously incompetent, so spectacularly ignorant, and so unable to negotiate anything even resembling a good deal for the US, is definitely a huge assist to adversaries areas around the world. 

He is certainly playing in

China's hands, making them more powerful, far more influential, and increasing the influence of BRICS dramatically. The goon is diminishing the U.S every day he wakes up, and the end result is not going to be pretty. 

 

But even as an American, I can admit that diminishing US influence by the day, may end up being a good thing for the world in the long run. The days of American hubris are winding down thanks to Don the Destroyer.

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On 1/19/2026 at 10:48 PM, Autocan said:

The US is the 800-pound gorilla in Nato. If you had any thoughts that European leaders might stand up to Trump the pic below should disabuse you of them. That sorry lot is terrified of Trump, or, more accurately, the power of the US which Trump wields like a madman.

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I am bemused by European thinking. The US destroys Nordstream, thus depriving Europe of cheap and plentiful energy and begins the process of deindustrialization of the continent, effects of which are plenty visible. And now the US threatens to forcibly annex the territory of a NATO country, as well as a tariff war.

And the aggressor is, the fearsome threat is? Russia. Jeez. Europeans should disband Nato, revive the Warsaw Pact and sign up. Last I checked, Russia doesn't steal from friends, backstab allies, foment revolutions, kidnap leaders or aid in genocide.

Then may I respectfully suggest that you were not very thorough with your checking.

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I foresee the US and Russia becoming allies.

I thought they already were allies by their actions and words if not with a physical treaty in place!

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