31 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

How long do you think a party should be in power before stuff is their fault?

Four years?

In which case no party would ever be at fault!

How long is a piece of string, is the answer of your oh so obviously disingenuous question.

"Stuff is their fault" is just a figment of your angry mind. What I wrote is that more migrants came to Britain under the Conservatives. Care to dispute that?

The question was "So on what basis do you consider it a Labour issue?"

1 minute ago, IsmeUno said:

It's a discussion board, rather than a 'post a link that doesn't answer the question' board. My guess is that you are simply incapable of answering the question posed. You suggested that he would reverse ties with the EU. Where is that policy?

Restoring pubs? Is that a joke? Just a pathetic populist policy meant to trigger certain folk.

When some asks "what are Farage's policies" as a deflection tactic, forgive me if I don't take the bait and waste 2 days explaining them on a forum. I have other things to do.

Hence, I provided a link to the Reform party website which they could read if they were genuinely interested to learn about those policies. They did. You couldn't.

Just now, JonnyF said:

When some asks "what are Farage's policies" as a deflection tactic, forgive me if I don't take the bait and waste 2 days explaining them on a forum. I have other things to do.

Hence, I provided a link to the Reform party website which they could read if they were genuinely interested to learn about those policies. They did. You couldn't.

You stated that he would reverse the Labour policies. You must have some inside knowledge of that in order to make such a definitive statement. So I asked you to reveal your knowledge. But it seems that you are just full of hot air.

3 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

You state that he would reverse the Labour policies. You must have some inside knowledge of that in order to make such a definitive statement. So I asked you to reveal your knowledge. But it seems that you are just full of hot air.

No insider knowledge. It's public knowledge. Do try to keep up. 😄

https://www.ft.com/content/3f9786ce-7378-4c0e-b445-f759307cf163

Just now, JonnyF said:

No insider knowledge. It's public knowledge. Do try to keep up. 😄

https://www.ft.com/content/3f9786ce-7378-4c0e-b445-f759307cf163

It states "fight", rather than reverse. can you show us where he has stated that he will reverse them. Your statement. Please back it up or admit that you just made it up.

14 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

How long is a piece of string, is the answer of your oh so obviously disingenuous question.

"Stuff is their fault" is just a figment of your angry mind. What I wrote is that more migrants came to Britain under the Conservatives. Care to dispute that?

The question was "So on what basis do you consider it a Labour issue?"

All UK political parties are essentially the same party as far as I can see.

Reform is happy to accept corrupt Tory MPs.

There is no party that suggests any real change.

No anger here, Labour, Conservative, Liberal, Green, Reform all totally corrupt.

Can't see why any party in power couldn't fix everything in their first month in office, if they really wanted that change.

No need to make a personal attack on me.

I'm not responsible for anything.

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

All UK political parties are essentially the same party as far as I can see.

Reform is happy to accept corrupt Tory MPs.

There is no party that suggests any real change.

No anger here, Labour, Conservative, Liberal, Green, Reform all totally corrupt.

Can't see why any party in power couldn't fix everything in their first month in office, if they really wanted that change.

Of course you cannot see why they couldn't fix anything in a month, because you are just sitting in your armchair spouting off. You tell us how you would do it.

5 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

It states "fight", rather than reverse. can you show us where he has stated that he will reverse them. Your statement. Please back it up or admit that you just made it up.

Thanks for the pedantry, that answers the question I was wondering about your previous username.

Reverse? Scrap? Fight? Tear up? Take your pick.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/16/farage-make-me-pm-and-ill-scrap-starmer-brexit-deal/

10 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Of course you cannot see why they couldn't fix anything in a month, because you are just sitting in your armchair spouting off. You tell us how you would do it.

Let me see .............. I can make a few suggestions to fix the perceived problems. Although I don't really care about any of them.

1. Immigration, declare Islam a terrorist organisation, close all Mosques, deport all Islamic foreigners, all Islamic citizens to be jailed as terrorists. Remove all foreigners from the UK.

2. Housing shortages, remove all planning laws and building regulations, allow anyone to build anything on their own land. Redistribute land from all the big land owners (Church, Royals, National Trust, RSPN, Forestry commission, etc) so every citizen owns some land (but with no right to ever sell).

3. Government debt, simply stop wasting money, no benefits, no foreign aid, no military or big toys for the military, no net zero. All companies operating in the UK must pay tax in the UK.

4. Law and order, stand the remaining soldiers on street corners with orders to shoot anyone being naughty, blocking traffic or making a noise. No two year wait between crime and punishment for those caught in the act.

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Thanks for the pedantry, that answers the question I was wondering about your previous username.

Reverse? Scrap? Fight? Tear up? Take your pick.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/16/farage-make-me-pm-and-ill-scrap-starmer-brexit-deal/

The article is behind a firewall, can you explain what he will do after tearing up the below treaties?

Anyone can say anything in order to win votes. Carrying these things out is something quite different.

• Withdrawal Agreement (Effective 2020): Governs the legal separation, including the financial settlement, protection of citizens' rights for those residing before 31 December 2020, and the Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland.

• Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA) (Effective 2021): Establishes a free trade area, requiring extensive rules-of-origin documentation for tariff-free goods, with specific arrangements for service sectors and security cooperation.

• 2025/2026 Adjustments: New agreements in 2025 aimed to reset relations, featuring reduced checks on food imports, increased use of e-gates for travellers, and a new youth experience scheme.

• Gibraltar Treaty (2026): As of February 2026, the Gibraltar government is conducting town halls to discuss the implementation of a new treaty regarding post-Brexit, specifically addressing transitional arrangements.

• Governance: The TCA includes mechanisms for dispute settlement, ensuring a level playing field, and allowing for potential cross-sector retaliation if either side violates the agreement.

22 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

No insider knowledge. It's public knowledge. Do try to keep up. 😄

https://www.ft.com/content/3f9786ce-7378-4c0e-b445-f759307cf163

Unfortunately the article is behind a pay wall.

However, if Farage is promising to reverse any changes to our existing relationship with the EU without even knowing what those changes might be, then I'll have to reconsider my belief that he is not an idiot.

5 hours ago, IsmeUno said:

Can you back your statement up with facts and figures? As I recall, more migrants arrived under Conservative government. They were in power since 2010. In 2022, around 45,000 made the crossing.

Labour have only been in power since mid 2024.

So on what basis do you consider it a Labour issue?

The government has stated that Not all irregular arrivals will be detected and the proportion of arrivals detected will vary by method. The takeaway is that there are many more unauthorized migrants in the UK than what the UK is aware of. The most recent data from the UK government shows; In the year ending March 2025, there were 44,125 detected irregular arrivals, 14% more than in the previous year. So, the 14% increase occurred during the period of the Labour administration. The most recent data from November 2025 shows that the numbers continued to increase: there were 51,000 arrivals via illegal routes, such as small boats and other clandestine routes, detected in the year ending September 2025. Small boat arrivals accounted for 46,000 (89%) of these arrivals in the year ending September 2025, 53% more arrivals than the previous year.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-september-2025/summary-of-latest-statistics

However, the bigger issue is that the UK government has not acted to remove the hundreds of thousands of people who are on expired visas, or who are trying to gain entry by claiming asylum, and who have been denied their claims. 110,000 people claimed asylum in the year ending September 2025, 13% more than the previous year and higher than the previous recorded peak of 103,000 in 2002: Half of asylum seekers arrived through illegal routes, such as small boats or clandestine methods, while a further 38% of claimants had previously arrived in the UK on a visa or with other leave

These people are gaming the system and Labour is enabling them.

Labour did its utmost to hinder the previous government's attempts to deport unauthorized migrants.

36 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

I asked for YOUR solutions to the problems, rather than your sitting in your armchair posting hateful rhetoric against your former country, but not offering plausible solutions. How you would solve the migrant problem in a month?

Stop proactively rescuing the migrant vessels. If people drown, they drown.Put all unauthorized migrants in detention, not luxury hotels. Provide only the basic humanitarian needs of food, shelter and basic clothing where necessary. Deport failed asylum cases immediately. No access to government support. The migrants will get the message.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

It doesn't require hatred to wish Britain to continue to be a sovereign country with its own distinct culture/values as opposed to being absorbed into a United States of Europe and subsequently lorded over by unelected European technocrats.

This from a poster who so often expresses the wish that Donald Trump was running things in the UK!

Off topic baiting / bickering posts and replies have been removed

32 minutes ago, JAG said:

This from a poster who so often expresses the wish that Donald Trump was running things in the UK!

Untrue.

I said we needed someone "like" Trump.

Nice deflection though.

Still waiting for these racists Brits to tell me one benefit of Brexit. JUST ONE. Come on 'lets have ya' .... just tell me one.

There was hard right Conservative government in place, with Boris and Dominic Cummings, two of the architects of Brexit in charge. The deal they got was a pile of garbage imo. The so called trade deals around the world are nothing. It's made the country poorer by putting up barriers to our closest trading partners (who the hell does that?!). Now being fully exploited by world powers like the US as we are so vulnerable.

What is Farage advocating to do different ? OH STOP THE BOATS ... that will make everyones lives better? Stop 30,000 people coming, and suddenly your electric and gas bills will come down, prices will stop going up, a better economy that can help the NHS, education, etc. Remember before Brexit there were zero boat crossings - as you could transport people straight back to France !

Utter lunacy. The elites played you - played to your racist gene.

On 2/3/2026 at 8:34 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Farage’s promises are like BREXIT benefits, they sound good but never turn up.

Starmers promises don't even sound good,, even if they were, his lack of personality kills any support or enthusiasm stone dead, You appear the to be the only person with anything positive to say about this pathetic ineffectual joke of a PM can everybody else all be wrong , leaving only you to be right ? come on get real, there is no future in backing this apology for a prime minister even if he was replaced by that half-witted, idiot diane abbot things could not get much worse

6 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

Still waiting for these racists Brits to tell me one benefit of Brexit. JUST ONE. Come on 'lets have ya' .... just tell me one.

just the fact that it triggers the likes of you is benefit enough. We never got the brexit we were promised , that is the problem, and we never will until the ECHR is torn up and burnt

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8 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Stop proactively rescuing the migrant vessels. If people drown, they drown.Put all unauthorized migrants in detention, not luxury hotels. Provide only the basic humanitarian needs of food, shelter and basic clothing where necessary. Deport failed asylum cases immediately. No access to government support. The migrants will get the message.

They should have blown a few of these boats out of the water in the early days , that would have nipped things in the bud, and with less loss of life than we have seen so far, Ideal for those that get upset over such things

Plus when one of these boats does sink, the virtue signalling media should stop describing such incidents as "tragic" nobody thinks a few drowned illegals is tragic, except other virtue signallers, and they are far from sincere

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

just the fact that it triggers the likes of you is benefit enough. We never got the brexit we were promised , that is the problem, and we never will until the ECHR is torn up and burnt

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What was the Brexit you were promised ?

Come on lets be having ya. Boris was the main guy during Brexit, him and Cummings. Farage was promising trade deals around the world - WHERE ARE THEY? The deals we have with the US, India and then with the EU are worst !

We literally put up barriers to our trade with EUROPE !!!!!!!!!!! IT'S MADE THE COUNTRY POORER, AND NO INFLUENCE NOW ON THE WORLD STAGE !!!!

A power destroyed because the population was played by rich elites telling them it was the foreigners making their lives worst. Oh how they must laugh.

11 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

What is Farage advocating to do different ? OH STOP THE BOATS ... that will make everyones lives better? Stop 30,000 people coming, and suddenly your electric and gas bills will come down, prices will stop going up, a better economy that can help the NHS, education, etc. Remember before Brexit there were zero boat crossings - as you could transport people straight back to France !

Utter lunacy. The elites played you - played to your racist gene.

In respect to stopping the boats (they account for 84%+ of identified unauthorized migrants) and other unauthorized migrants, the Google AI summary offers; The cost to support an unauthorized migrant or asylum seeker in the UK is substantial, with the government spending roughly £4.7 billion on asylum support in the 2023-24 financial year, of which approximately £3 billion was spent on housing people in hotels. This equates to an average cost of roughly £8 million per day on hotel accommodation. If we take into account the increased number in 2025 and the impact of inflation, the the cost is easily in excess of £5 billion.

10 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

In respect to stopping the boats (they account for 84%+ of identified unauthorized migrants) and other unauthorized migrants, the Google AI summary offers; The cost to support an unauthorized migrant or asylum seeker in the UK is substantial, with the government spending roughly £4.7 billion on asylum support in the 2023-24 financial year, of which approximately £3 billion was spent on housing people in hotels. This equates to an average cost of roughly £8 million per day on hotel accommodation. If we take into account the increased number in 2025 and the impact of inflation, the the cost is easily in excess of £5 billion.

And before Brexit there was ZERO boat crossings, as we had return agreements in place to return everyone to France.

So essentially you are saying Farage is the answer to the problem Farage created.

Back to Brexit - TELL ME ONE BENEFIT. What law has changed that has really helped you that is any different from Europe?

No one can answer. They continue their racism as they are protected with their pension and benefits.

The boat problem came about after Brexit, and we lost our return agreements with the EU. No one bothered to come on a boat, as the law was they would be immediately returned to France.

The problem Farage and his Brexit caused, now we are saying he is the solution.

The boats are not a result of Brexit. They are a result of the UK's corrupt government. The boats could be stopped if they wanted to but they want to. Brexit has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Starmer should be removed from office. The saying "Those that seek power are the least suited to wield it" is very true.

On 2/4/2026 at 10:33 AM, JonnyF said:

I already explained what it means. The "phillosophy" is very clear.

Distancing ourselves as much as possible from the corrupt, undemocratic, federalist project that is the EU.

It doesn't require hatred to wish Britain to continue to be a sovereign country with its own distinct culture/values as opposed to being absorbed into a United States of Europe and subsequently lorded over by unelected European technocrats.

Are Thais that wish Thailand to continue to be a sovereign country with its own distinct culture and values exhibiting a "phillosophy" of hatred or is this something you only attribute to indigenous British people when you have no reasonable counter argument to the points being made?

Soundbites apropos of nothing: How's that Brexit of yours going? Apart from, of course, if you live in Thailand and the rinsing of the pound. I don't mind you burning your own money, but when you burn mine and sell me mythical unicorns, and when time reveals the utter folly of the position economically and socially, you haven't learned the lesson.

By 2025, UK GDP per capita was 6-8% lower than it would have been without Brexit . Investment was down 12-18%, employment 3-4% lower, and productivity 3-4% lower. The UK grew 5% less over eight years than comparable countries , representing roughly a £100 billion economic hit Goods trade has underperformed other advanced economies by around 15% C.

Well, I can't fix stupid. Stupid is as stupid does.Keep voting for that snake oil salesman who led you down the swanee. <insert something about muslims> and Tomee Ten Names.

Hedge funds love the stupid they can be manipulated easily in a democracy and they can trade the volatility and Epstein loved Brexit.Funny that...

3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

How's that Brexit of yours going? Apart from, of course, if you live in Thailand and the rinsing of the pound.

Great thanks. I do indeed live in Thailand and have earned in THB since 2006 and have paid off the mortgage on 3 UK rental properties since then, partly due to the strong THB and weak GBP.

UK exporters have also seen the benefits.

Of course, there are always winners and losers.

8 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

Starmer should be removed from office. The saying "Those that seek power are the least suited to wield it" is very true.

How is the boat problem his fault ? He inherited from the mess Farage, Boris and the racist Brits themselves created with Brexit.

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Great thanks. I do indeed live in Thailand and have earned in THB since 2006 and have paid off the mortgage on 3 UK rental properties since then, partly due to the strong THB and weak GBP.

UK exporters have also seen the benefits.

Of course, there are always winners and losers.

Glad it worked out well for you personally though I'd note that's despite Brexit, not because of it. The pound weakened against most currencies globally after 2016, which happened to benefit your specific circumstances as a THB earner with UK assets. But that currency depreciation represents a loss of purchasing power for the 67 million people still living in Britain and of course your more potless compatriots here.

As for UK exporters benefiting from a weaker pound the data doesn't support that narrative. Goods trade has underperformed other advanced economies by around 15% since Brexit. A cheaper currency should boost exports, yet UK trade actually declined relative to comparable nations. That suggests the trade barriers introduced by Brexit more than offset any currency advantage.

You're right that there are always winners and losers. But when GDP per capita is 6-8% lower, investment down 12-18%, and the economy £100 billion smaller than it would have been, the ratio is pretty clear. Your personal gain came at the expense of reduced living standards, diminished opportunities, and economic stagnation for millions of others.

The question isn't whether some individuals benefited it's whether the country as a whole is better off. And eight years on, the answer is unambiguously no.