2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

islamophobia is a word made up by people like you ,

Islamophobia is driven by a combination of media misrepresentation, political rhetoric, and structural racism that frames Muslims as a threat to "Western values". It is fuelled by negative stereotypes, the "war on terror" narrative, and right-wing nationalist movements, often increasing during times of conflict or political tension.

40 minutes ago, JimCM said:

The state of Palestine is not committing genocide.

You are talking nonsense. All they want is a two state peaceful solution.

Of course , they being hamas, means that slaughtering over 1000 innocent israelis is a perfectly acceptable way of behaving in their opinion. and you seem to be fine with that

19 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Islamophobia is driven by a combination of media misrepresentation, political rhetoric, and structural racism that frames Muslims as a threat to "Western values". It is fuelled by negative stereotypes, the "war on terror" narrative, and right-wing nationalist movements, often increasing during times of conflict or political tension.

Muslim values and how they seek to promote them , clearly indicates that they are indeed a threat to western values, What with grooming gangs and suicide bombers etc

47 minutes ago, JimCM said:

The state of Palestine is not committing genocide.

You are talking nonsense. All they want is a two state peaceful solution.

Per the ICC recognized definition, the State of Palestine is clearly committing genocide.

Palestine is a state now, is there peace?

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Per the ICC recognized definition, the State of Palestine is clearly committing genocide.

Palestine is a state now, is there peace?

As of September 2025, 157 of 193 UN member states recognize the State of Palestine. Major powers like China, Russia, the UK, and France have recognized it.

Palestine has been a non-member observer state in the UN General Assembly since November 2012.

Despite recognition, the territory (West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza) remains under Israeli occupation. The recognition is largely symbolic, as it does not translate to full control over borders or people.

Recognition generally covers the territories occupied by Israel in the 1967 conflict, with final borders intended to be determined through negotiations.

The US does not currently recognize a Palestinian state, and the Israeli government has opposed these recognitions, viewing them as a threat to their security and a reward for terrorism.

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

And how many people, members of this forum or otherwise, have accused Jews of conducting terror attacks?

thousands of innocent people have been killed in muslim terror attacks that is a fact , mosquitos kill more people than any other animal on the planet both are indisputable facts devoid of prediudice or malice, If I get banned because of stating unpalatable truths so be it ,, but it won't be you doing the banning , it would not surprise me if you were to indulge in a bit of snitching though in an attempt to provoke such a ban

This post is not a statement of “unpalatable truths.” It is a deliberate attempt to smear an entire religious group by associating them collectively with terrorism. That is textbook prejudice.

Yes, innocent people have been killed in terrorist attacks. That is tragic and undeniable. But terrorism is committed by extremists - not by “Muslims” as a whole. Conflating 1.9 billion people with the actions of violent factions is not factual analysis; it is bigotry.

By the same logic, should all Christians be judged by the actions of the Ku Klux Klan?
Should all white Americans be blamed for the Oklahoma City bombing carried out by Timothy McVeigh?
Should all Norwegians be held responsible for Anders Behring Breivik?

Of course not. Because reasonable people understand the difference between extremists and entire populations.

Comparing human beings to mosquitoes - even indirectly - is dehumanizing language. Dehumanization is historically how discrimination and violence begin. It strips individuals of dignity and reduces them to a threat category rather than recognizing them as people.

Facts without context can be weaponized. A statistic becomes racist when it is used to imply collective guilt or inherent traits tied to religion or ethnicity.

If the goal is honest discussion about extremism, then let’s talk about extremism - across all ideologies and religions. But if the goal is to stigmatize millions of ordinary people because of their faith, that deserves to be called what it is: prejudice.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism. If a post is challenged, it is not because “truth is being silenced” - it is because generalizing about entire religious groups is harmful and intellectually dishonest.

We can condemn terrorism without condemning entire communities. Anything less is not courage,it’s scapegoating.

35 minutes ago, JimCM said:

By the same logic, should all Christians be judged by the actions of the Ku Klux Klan?

if it can be shown that they have killed as many innocent people and more importantly if the majority of christians refused to condemn them then yes of course.

38 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Should all white Americans be blamed for the Oklahoma City bombing carried out by Timothy Mcveigh ?
Should all Norwegians be held responsible for Anders Behring Breivik?

no, as they were clearly individuals acting alone, not affiliated to any group, and again they were publicly condemned by there fellow country men

43 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Comparing human beings to mosquitoes - even indirectly - is dehumanizing language

I fully expected that one , that is why I was careful not to compare anybody to mosquitos, I merely put you right about the correct english slang terms and the subtle difference between mossie and muzzie and muzzer it appears the post has been removed for inciting genocide , i cannot recall exactly what I wrote , but it seems to have triggered you , further.

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

As of September 2025, 157 of 193 UN member states recognize the State of Palestine. Major powers like China, Russia, the UK, and France have recognized it.

Palestine has been a non-member observer state in the UN General Assembly since November 2012.

Despite recognition, the territory (West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza) remains under Israeli occupation. The recognition is largely symbolic, as it does not translate to full control over borders or people.

Recognition generally covers the territories occupied by Israel in the 1967 conflict, with final borders intended to be determined through negotiations.

The US does not currently recognize a Palestinian state, and the Israeli government has opposed these recognitions, viewing them as a threat to their security and a reward for terrorism.

But you agree that per the ICC recognized definition, the State of Palestine is clearly committing genocide, yes?

What is the ICC doing about it?

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

I fully expected that one , that is why I was careful not to compare anybody to mosquitos,

Liar. You said Muslims and mosquitos are responsible for killing many thousands of people and should be avoided.

Your language is that of a bigot.

No wonder it was deleted, it was disgraceful.

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

But you agree that per the ICC recognized definition, the State of Palestine is clearly committing genocide, yes?

I agree that HAMAS, and other terrorist groups committed atrocities on the 7th Oct 2023, whether there is a case of Genocide, or War Crimes against Israel is up to debate by them, the ICC.

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

What is the ICC doing about it?

As far as I know, the ICC named the Hamas leaders, alongside Israel's leaders for arrest, but the Israeli forces summarily executed them before any trial.

10 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I agree that HAMAS, and other terrorist groups committed atrocities on the 7th Oct 2023, whether there is a case of Genocide, or War Crimes against Israel is up to debate by them, the ICC.

As far as I know, the ICC named the Hamas leaders, alongside Israel's leaders for arrest, but the Israeli forces summarily executed them before any trial.

Do you or do you not agree that per the ICC recognized definition, the State of Palestine is committing genocide?

When I have read the definition, it is absolutely clear to me.

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you or do you not agree that per the ICC recognized definition, the State of Palestine is committing genocide?

When I have read the definition, it is absolutely clear to me.

Based on the legal definitions used by the International Criminal Court (ICC) and the UN Genocide Convention, there is no formal, recognized finding that the State of Palestine is committing genocide.

In contrast, as of late 2025, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry (COI) on the Occupied Palestinian Territory and Israel has officially concluded that Israel’s conduct in Gaza satisfies the legal definition of genocide.

9 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Based on the legal definitions used by the International Criminal Court (ICC) and the UN Genocide Convention, there is no formal, recognized finding that the State of Palestine is committing genocide.

In contrast, as of late 2025, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry (COI) on the Occupied Palestinian Territory and Israel has officially concluded that Israel’s conduct in Gaza satisfies the legal definition of genocide.

So the definition does not matter to you, whatever they say goes, yes?

Have you read the definition?

6 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

Muslim values and how they seek to promote them , clearly indicates that they are indeed a threat to western values, What with grooming gangs and suicide bombers etc

You refer to a minority within the context of Islam.

Such exists within the context of Christian sects. Some innocuous and some genuinely nasty such as KKK.

Is ISIS a Muslim faction ? Or is ISIS the Israeli Secret Intelligence Service ?

You are "educated" to believe the former.

And yet the ISIS the media tells the world is being fought against has a habit of destroying iconic Islamic architecture as it has moved into territories.

Burkino Faso is a predominantly Islamic nation but it too is fighting against Islamic extremists who have suspected backing from corporate Western sources.

Truth has become redundant in favor of assumptions of correctness.

The elitists commit those assumptives to die to protect the assumptions of all sides.

The idealism of a harmonious human society was hijacked by religion as far back as cave dwelling !

6 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Major powers like China, Russia, the UK, and France have recognized it.

uk a major power? not for a long time , lol can't even control its own borders, same goes for france

5 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

uk a major power? not for a long time , lol can't even control its own borders, same goes for france

So Russia and China survive as Major players (powers) ?

4 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

uk a major power? not for a long time , lol can't even control its own borders, same goes for france

They are classed as major powers because they have deliverable Nuclear Weapons.

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So the definition does not matter to you, whatever they say goes, yes?

Have you read the definition?

Yes, I have read the definitions.

As far as what they "I take it you mean the ICC, or the UNSC" they should, as the highest legal authorities of the World be the ones to determine who, or what was committed by whom, or don't you agree with that?

54 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

As far as I know, the ICC named the Hamas leaders, alongside Israel's leaders for arrest, but the Israeli forces summarily executed them before any trial.

If HAMAS and Isreal are at war is a really an execution?

48 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Yes, I have read the definitions.

As far as what they "I take it you mean the ICC, or the UNSC" they should, as the highest legal authorities of the World be the ones to determine who, or what was committed by whom, or don't you agree with that?

You've presented facts not in evidence. I do not consider the UNSC and or the ICC the highest legal authorities of the world. I think they are a bunch of lazy parasites.

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You've presented facts not in evidence. I do not consider the UNSC and or the ICC the highest legal authorities of the world. I think they are a bunch of lazy parasites.

I'm sure they will be highly bothered by a member of AN's opinion of the UNSC/ICC, not.

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I'm sure they will be highly bothered by a member of AN's opinion of the UNSC/ICC, not.

That matters not to me,

Just now, Yellowtail said:

That matters not to me,

As do your opinions on anything to do with this subject.

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

As do your opinions on anything to do with this subject.

oh, now you've really hurt my feelings! The globalist anti-Israel anti-US crowd on the board do not value my opinion, whatever will I do?

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

oh, now you've really hurt my feelings! The globalist anti-Israel anti-US crowd on the board do not value my opinion, whatever will I do?

One would hope, you will disengage from something you clearly have no knowledge of, unless it fits your agenda, whatever that is.

31 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

One would hope, you will disengage from something you clearly have no knowledge of, unless it fits your agenda, whatever that is.

Would one indeed? I would hope you'd do a little thinking for yourself and not rely on regurgitation.

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Would one indeed?

Yes, thank you for your attention to this matter.

On 2/10/2026 at 4:23 PM, placnx said:

Basically, the Jewish population of Israel needs a head change and reeducation. When I look at the behaviour of the West Bank settlers, they are not proper Jews and do not respect others or the Commandments. They should be banned (and some sent to the Hague for the rest of their lives).

A long time ago it became obvious that successive Israeli governments had no intention to honor the spirit of Oslo, which was not a viable agreement if Israel was not going to act in good faith. The viable alternative is to formally recognize Israel as an apartheid state and invoke universal sanctions. "Negotiations" at this point are futile.

Israel has indeed taken several wrong turns and has created an apartheid state in the West Bank, a situation that goes back before Netanyahu. However, there are progressive elements within Israel itself (and certainly among Jewish people worldwide), and I can only hope that they can somehow take control of the Israeli state and resume seeking accommodations. There must be ways to encourage them while sanctioning the Netanyahu government.

 

My original point here was that most commentators on the Israel/Palestine conflict, including most people posting here, are 100 percent in one camp or the other, leading them to demonize an entire class of people (whether Arabs, all of whom become “terrorists,” or Jews, and the two-millennia-long history of antisemitism needs no recapitulation). This serves only to stir up anger and prolong the conflict. One can simply be on the side of peace, while acknowledging errors and good intentions on both sides.