3 minutes ago, EastBayRay said:

Nation builders and settlers not immigrants

Mamdani is an immigrant

Which is worse?

The first settlers (16th–17th centuries) can technically be considered immigrants as they moved from one land to another for permanent residence. However, they are more precisely defined as colonists or settlers, as they came to establish new, autonomous societies and implement their own laws, rather than joining an existing nation.

History.com +2

Key distinctions and nuances include:

• Settlers vs. Immigrants: While modern immigrants typically move to a place with an established legal system and assimilate into it, early European settlers (Spanish, British, Dutch, French) aimed to displace, replace, or dominate the existing indigenous systems.

Still shying away from the inconvenient truth of slavery, I see.

2 minutes ago, EastBayRay said:

Nation builders and settlers not immigrants

Mamdani is an immigrant

Who decides ? How can you totally overrule natives and set premises for what term to use, and based on what? Your thoughts is based on identification, and settlers colonialism. Everyone coming after first settlers are descendants of immigrants, and that means most of USA population.

3 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Which is worse?

The first settlers (16th–17th centuries) can technically be considered immigrants as they moved from one land to another for permanent residence. However, they are more precisely defined as colonists or settlers, as they came to establish new, autonomous societies and implement their own laws, rather than joining an existing nation.

History.com +2

Key distinctions and nuances include:

• Settlers vs. Immigrants: While modern immigrants typically move to a place with an established legal system and assimilate into it, early European settlers (Spanish, British, Dutch, French) aimed to displace, replace, or dominate the existing indigenous systems.

Still shying away from the inconvenient truth of slavery, I see.

I was late to the party I see, I could just point at your answer

1 hour ago, EastBayRay said:

We built it.

Settlers, pioneers and nation builders

Not immigrants

Educate yourself and Learn the difference

I think you're the one that needs to educate yourself. The 'settlers and pioneers' weren't immigrants? Of course they were. Some of mine were among them - arriving in what is now Mass in 1630s. Immigrants are nation builders.

14 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Which is worse?

The first settlers (16th–17th centuries) can technically be considered immigrants as they moved from one land to another for permanent residence. However, they are more precisely defined as colonists or settlers, as they came to establish new, autonomous societies and implement their own laws, rather than joining an existing nation.

History.com +2

Key distinctions and nuances include:

• Settlers vs. Immigrants: While modern immigrants typically move to a place with an established legal system and assimilate into it, early European settlers (Spanish, British, Dutch, French) aimed to displace, replace, or dominate the existing indigenous systems.

Still shying away from the inconvenient truth of slavery, I see.

Immigrants often fail to assimilate look at the Somalians for example

Slavery happens everywhere. Still happens today in the Middle East. Who sold the African slaves? Africans. Inconvenient huh…

13 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Who decides ? How can you totally overrule natives and set premises for what term to use, and based on what? Your thoughts is based on identification, and settlers colonialism. Everyone coming after first settlers are descendants of immigrants, and that means most of USA population.

I bet you wouldn’t apply that to the uk. I bet you wouldn’t call that idiot lammy or that Pakistani mayor an immigrant

4 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

I think you're the one that needs to educate yourself. The 'settlers and pioneers' weren't immigrants? Of course they were. Some of mine were among them - arriving in what is now Mass in 1630s. Immigrants are nation builders.

No they were nation builders

They built the house they didn’t come to live in it after all the hard work was done

Learn the difference or more accurately admit you already know the difference

56 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

I'm beginning to think that you aren't from the USA at all, but just a Troll planted to get people to hate the USA, thinking that it's people are immoral and despicable.

Nobody cares what you think

All my foreign buddies love Trump it’s the American libs that are obsessed with hating him

4 minutes ago, EastBayRay said:

I bet you wouldn’t apply that to the uk. I bet you wouldn’t call that idiot lammy or that Pakistani mayor an immigrant

He is not even born in USA?

My replies is based on your first post where you stated immigrants ruins your country, hence my reply.

What Americans missing, is true history lessons, and be a bit more humble appearance, not more arrogance!

Your profile says quite a bit about you. In these days where identity matters, you create this shield for your self.

6 minutes ago, EastBayRay said:

Nobody cares what you think

All my foreign buddies love Trump it’s the American libs that are obsessed with hating him

The big question, is Trump the change that we needed?

Is Trump the man that he says he is?

Is Trump the man that his supporters think he is?

Is Trump sincere about the well-being of the nation and its people?

Will Trump put the well-being of the nation above himself?

Will he destroy alliances and will he coddle dictators?

Will he golf less than 150 times a year on the nation's dime?

So far that does not appear to be the case.

There's no question that he's a major coward, he would never have the guts to fight a true battle, or do something dangerous. Not only that but he's a derelict, he's a delinquent, he's a felon, he's a lifetime career criminal, he's somewhat of a dimwit, he is a hater, and a racist, he is highly misogynistic, he's a terrible negotiator, and a fraud, and he's a horrific leader.

And it seems like he's hellbent upon bringing chaos down upon the US and world economies. Which makes him very dangerous too.

Overall he's a stain on the face and the history of America.

I am above the law, I've always been above the law, I've been committing crimes and fraud for 50 years and nobody's ever caught up with me. I can do anything I want as I've stated in the past I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and nobody would do anything.

So I think I'm just going to start disappearing my enemies like my buddy Vlad does. Why not? They don't like me, they dare to criticize the king, and they disappear. So simple, I'm just going to use the recipe that my old friends in the New York mafia used to.

Since I have absolutely nothing in the way of Integrity nor a moral compass, I just can't think of any reasons why not to do this. Fun, fun.

Vladimir Putin supporters have a very simple method for determining whether the US will win the war.

The Americans don't have infantry and aren't planning a ground operation in Iran. But a war can't be won without infantry. This means the plan was to win with the help of spies and traitors within the country, who essentially take on the role of foot soldiers. If spies within Iran are running the country, what will they do? Obviously, they'll defend America. That means retaliatory strikes will target anything (Israel? Arabs?) but the US. Or they'll launch theatrical retaliatory strikes with zero American casualties. If spies within Iran aren't actually running the country, the Americans will feel like targets.

Judging by the latest news, Iran is threatening American citizens. Iran's forces are certainly not strong, but Vladimir Putin certainly won't miss an opportunity to silently help. Therefore, it seems to me that the Iranian victory is more likely than the US victory -

https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/expert-says-iran-drone-attack-california-coast-would-very-easy-kill

54 minutes ago, EastBayRay said:

Immigrants often fail to assimilate look at the Somalians for example

Slavery happens everywhere. Still happens today in the Middle East. Who sold the African slaves? Africans. Inconvenient huh…

Did your 'settlers' assimilate?

What has 'who sold them' to do with anything? You were discussing 'nation builders', 'settlers' and 'immigrants', weren't you?

Are you attempting to deflect?

43 minutes ago, Hummin said:

He is not even born in USA?

My replies is based on your first post where you stated immigrants ruins your country, hence my reply.

What Americans missing, is true history lessons, and be a bit more humble appearance, not more arrogance!

Your profile says quite a bit about you. In these days where identity matters, you create this shield for your self.

I sincerely hope that he is a plant and not an true American at all. Simply here to make people think the worst of Americans. A human should have a soul, a conscience, intelligence, a bond with nature. Not that crazy extreme behaviour of hating everything.

54 minutes ago, Hummin said:

He is not even born in USA?

My replies is based on your first post where you stated immigrants ruins your country, hence my reply.

What Americans missing, is true history lessons, and be a bit more humble appearance, not more arrogance!

Your profile says quite a bit about you. In these days where identity matters, you create this shield for your self.

It’s your ilks double standard you claim a white guy whose family dates back to 17 century USA is an immigrant but then you say a black guy whose parents went to Britain in the 1980s is not an immigrant because he was born in London

You can’t have it both ways just because you hate white people as a self loathing lib

Your profile is as anonymous as mine btw

57 minutes ago, EastBayRay said:

Nobody cares what you think

All my foreign buddies love Trump it’s the American libs that are obsessed with hating him

They wouldn't be your buddies if they didn't 'love' Trump. Birds of a feather flock together.

I'm neither an American nor a liberal. I just look at the evidence. I don't need to dumb down and 'pick a side'. You should try it instead of behaving like an extremist.

I have friends who also believe in Trump, but have a different view of Israeli/Jewish involvement. Are you and your 'foreign buddies' capable of such nuance?

Personally, I think Trump is a liar, a shyster, a conman. But that is from the evidence.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and it is perfectly acceptable to communicate your own and to discuss if you want someone to understand yours. Why is it that you feel the need to abuse those who choose to not ignore what they see?

How do you know that they hate Trump? Could it be that you hate them because they aren't part of the Trump cult?

23 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Did your 'settlers' assimilate?

What has 'who sold them' to do with anything? You were discussing 'nation builders', 'settlers' and 'immigrants', weren't you?

Are you attempting to deflect?

Settlers build. They create. They improve.

Immigrants assimilate or at least they are supposed to. More likely to bring their third world attitudes and customs with them unfortunately

7 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

They wouldn't be your buddies if they didn't 'love' Trump. Birds of a feather flock together.

I'm neither an American nor a liberal. I just look at the evidence. I don't need to dumb down and 'pick a side'. You should try it instead of behaving like an extremist.

I have friends who also believe in Trump, but have a different view of Israeli/Jewish involvement. Are you and your 'foreign buddies' capable of such nuance?

Personally, I think Trump is a liar, a shyster, a conman. But that is from the evidence.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and it is perfectly acceptable to communicate your own and to discuss if you want someone to understand yours. Why is it that you feel the need to abuse those who choose to not ignore what they see?

How do you know that they hate Trump? Could it be that you hate them because they aren't part of the Trump cult?

I have lib friends as well I find I am more tolerant of their opinions than they are of my support for Trump

They get a bit deranged when I agree with his actions they can’t believe anyone has a different opinion haha but I just accept their ignorance and buy them a beer anyway most of them need it

1 minute ago, EastBayRay said:

It’s your ilks double standard you claim a white guy whose family dates back to 17 century USA is an immigrant but then you say a black guy whose parents went to Britain in the 1980s is not an immigrant because he was born in London

You can’t have it both ways just because you hate white people as a self loathing lib

Your profile is as anonymous as mine btw

Is that what he wrote? It seems that you try your best to dumb down the conversation. The slaves also helped to build the country. They don't seem to have been treated nicely by certain sections of the population.

What kind of world do you envisage? One where the winner takes all, with no care for those affected?

3 minutes ago, EastBayRay said:

Settlers build. They create. They improve.

Immigrants assimilate or at least they are supposed to. More likely to bring their third world attitudes and customs with them unfortunately

Immigrants build. Create. Improve.

Settlers are likely to bring their third world attitudes and customs with them, unfortunately. Murdering and oppressing natives, for example.

23 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

I sincerely hope that he is a plant and not an true American at all. Simply here to make people think the worst of Americans. A human should have a soul, a conscience, intelligence, a bond with nature. Not that crazy extreme behaviour of hating everything.

I can agree wholeheartedly to what you saying ;-) I like what I hear.

4 minutes ago, EastBayRay said:

I am more tolerant of their opinions than they are of my support for Trump

They get a bit deranged when I agree with his actions they can’t believe anyone has a different opinion haha but I just accept their ignorance and buy them a beer anyway most of them need it

You know this could be written by one of your 'friends', don't you?

It's you who need to accept that people will have a different perspective.

2 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Is that what he wrote? It seems that you try your best to dumb down the conversation. The slaves also helped to build the country. They don't seem to have been treated nicely by certain sections of the population.

What kind of world do you envisage? One where the winner takes all, with no care for those affected?

My kind of world?

Equality not equity

Meritocracy

Largely homogenous societies either shared values

4 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Immigrants build. Create. Improve.

Settlers are likely to bring their third world attitudes and customs with them, unfortunately. Murdering and oppressing natives, for example.

Liberal White guilt in full flow with this one 😄

Now back to reality

On 3/12/2026 at 6:45 AM, SAFETY FIRST said:

It would not never have started if Iran was not a a terrorist organisation, plotting terrorism around the world and on Australian soil, also its intent to manufacture nuclear weapons etc, this evil had to be stopped.

Great work Mr Trump for saving the decent people of the world, now please start eradicating the Wokes and lefties

So you want Trump to commit genocide against anyone and everyone, millions, who doesn't agree with your and his views? would 6 million be the right number? And what does this say about you?

On 3/12/2026 at 8:34 AM, KhunLA said:

@Jingthing

You don't realize the USA is not trying to win anything. Just knock their military capabilities back a few decades. With any luck, get a better govt installed, for the people to live out of the Islamic stone age.

USA has already won big time, as sure oil exports with skyrocket.

On 3/12/2026 at 8:34 AM, KhunLA said:

@Jingthing

You don't realize the USA is not trying to win anything. Just knock their military capabilities back a few decades. With any luck, get a better govt installed, for the people to live out of the Islamic stone age.

USA has already won big time, as sure oil exports with skyrocket.

On 3/12/2026 at 8:34 AM, KhunLA said:

USA has already won big time, as sure oil exports with skyrocket.

You sure about that?

Why American Frackers Aren’t Rushing to Pump More Oil

U.S. shale giants won’t budge from their plans, despite the market chaos

https://archive.ph/D5beU#selection-569.0-573.72

https://www.wsj.com/business/energy-oil/why-american-frackers-arent-rushing-to-pump-more-oil-d0d36a4d?utm_source=chatgpt.com

And that's really a minor point compared to your claim that the "USA has already won big time". I guess, to your way of thinking, Americans who use gasoline, and the American business that consume it somehow aren't really part of the USA. Or that the benefits to the oil industry outweigh the harms most Americans will experience because of it.

3 minutes ago, EastBayRay said:

My kind of world?

Equality not equity

Meritocracy

Largely homogenous societies either shared values

So what do you do with the imported slaves and the people who share your skin colour, but don't share your values? Do you create autonomous states within the country? Oh...wait a minute...

15 minutes ago, EastBayRay said:

It’s your ilks double standard you claim a white guy whose family dates back to 17 century USA is an immigrant but then you say a black guy whose parents went to Britain in the 1980s is not an immigrant because he was born in London

You can’t have it both ways just because you hate white people as a self loathing lib

Your profile is as anonymous as mine btw

I get your point about country, identity, and how immigration shapes nations. Immigration can change a country for better or worse, and most often it brings both benefits and problems. Take the USA as an example. It has clearly gained a lot from immigration.

Even the early settlers were immigrants, and they helped build the country and expand its economy through continued immigration. But that history also came at a huge cost: Native peoples were displaced and killed, and enslaved people were brutally exploited. So the story is not purely positive.

That is why I wonder: what country, and what period in history, do you feel you really belong to? I have mixed feelings about immigration myself, but I do not think it is as simple as choosing which immigrants you personally like and which you do not. Also, I cannot shake the feeling that I had this exact same discussion with another account a few years ago. It feels almost identical, just with a different username.

12 minutes ago, EastBayRay said:

Liberal White guilt in full flow with this one 😄

Now back to reality

There you go with your inability to accept another valid perspective.

You cannot deny that there is truth in my statement, so instead you attempt to belittle and deride. Pitiful.

17 hours ago, Yagoda said:

BTW, what is a Jew?

A hardcore vocal supporter of Israel doesn't know what a Jew is?

Got it, you only support them because your master in the White House instructs you to, but actually have no idea about what you are talking about.

Definition: A Jew is defined by religious law as anyone born of a Jewish mother or who has converted to Judaism. It is both an ethnic and religious identity, meaning one can be Jewish by culture/heritage without practicing the religion.

Why high oil prices may outlast Trump’s Iran war

Energy Secretary Chris Wright said Monday that price perturbations would last "weeks, not months" as tanker traffic continues snarling in the strait.

If the War is costing one Billion dollars a day. Iran says it can keep this up for six months. Do the math

Pressure he has yet to experience...