7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's not something I ever think about except when it's used as an ignorant attack cudgel by racist Jew haters.

Nice straw man deflection

15 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

I'm not sure to which AN Bozo you are referring-

there are several to choose from- but after 2,000 years of discrimination and oppression, Jews were among the groups most deserving of their own country. The Holocaust made clear to the world the need for a Jewish homeland and majority Jewish state.

Jews can't rely on other countries to defend them, they have to do it themselves. That's why Israel is so necessary.

The Arab world has an estimated population of 450-500 million, compared to 7.2 million Jews in Israel. Worldwide, there are 17.7 million Jews and 2 billion Muslims. In terms of landmass, Israel occupies about 0.1% pf the Middle East.

The Arab world would have saved itself a lot of misery if it had just accepted the existence of this tiny country and allowed Israel's Jews to live in peace.

And 99.9% of those Muslims have never even contemplated wiping out Jews.

Let’s take a page from our life here. As expats, we’re very isolated from what we would consider ‘community’. People who know what we think, why we do. We understand our culture.

No matter how Thai we get, this will never be our place.

If I get you right, Ev, you’re saying that Jews need/deserve this kind of community in Israel after all their tribulations aso.

I can’t imagine Israel is heterogenous. Jews come from everywhere, bring their own culture baggage, food traditions, languages. Look, for example, at the plight of Russian and African Jews in Israel. Being Jewish isn’t all-embracing. They are still discriminated against.

You’re saying it was the duty of Israel’s neighbours to accept the new state, and it was. Wars are always rooted in money & politics.

But from 1909, Jews have been harassing (and worse) the Arabs in Palestine. The UN made a very clear division in 1948.

When other countries attacked, Israel always used these to take a little more land and finally forced the Palestinians into two tiny enclaves.

Try as I will not to believe Israel is a theocracy, getting rid of the Arabs sure makes it look that way.

53 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

We are in complete agreement about that, I think the white man's treatment of the Native Americans, the Mexicans, and the black man was and is absolutely atrocious.

Although certainly the same can be said for the UK, in its multiple conquests and domination of foreign nations.

And please admit that you're allegiance to Israel has a lot to do with your allegiance to the GOP, the huuuuge goon, and the party line narrative.

I don't have much interest in USA Politics and I have no alliance to the GOP , although I do like Donald Trump for the entertainment value , hes well funny

22 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Okay. But haven't they recently agreed to a return of the 1967 borders. That's a start. C'mon, Nick, Israel is killing people every day when Israelis are not being killed. This is somehow "defence".

Is your complaint that not enough Jews are being killed ?

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I'm an atheistic Jew who identifies with the culture as you do and I also know I am a Jewish person.

You appear to be saying that you don't consider yourself a Jewish person. That's fine of course. You're totalling wrong that this is my own thing. The question of who is a Jew resonates throughout the history of the Jewish people' from both Jews and persecuters of Jews. I have known people without any connection to Jewish ethnicity who identify with the culture. They don't consider themselves Jews and in those cases they obviously aren't.

I don't know where you got that I said I wasn't a Jew. If you have a quote that I said feel free to cite it. Otherwise can we leave this alone? I am Jewish, what else do you want me to say?

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I don't have much interest in USA Politics and I have no alliance to the GOP , although I do like Donald Trump for the entertainment value , hes well funny

Bozo the clown was funnier. So were the Three Stooges. He reminds me of both, but without the sense of humor.

While Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the average sensibility - to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness. There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, most of us don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege. And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

Edited May 12May 12 by spidermike007

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Is your complaint that not enough Jews are being killed ?

Bingo.

16 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Good one but most likely his family came after that messy business, as did mine.

Also, they were not considered white.

My ancestors came from Russia and Austria, as persecuted Jews.

I asked my great-grandmother while she was still alive why they never taught us anything about Russian culture, and she said they escaped from Hell on Earth and they made a life for themselves in America, and there was nothing about their history that they wanted to remember. So I relate to myself as an American Jew, and have no connection whatsoever to the Russian part of our ancestry. It is only a very sad chapter of history in a forlorn land, that they were fortunate enough to escape from.

Edited May 12May 12 by spidermike007

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

My ancestors came from Russia and Austria, as persecuted Jews.

I asked my great-grandmother while she was still alive why they never taught us anything about Russian culture, and she said they escaped from Hell on Earth and they made a life for themselves in America, and there was nothing about their history that they wanted to remember. So I relate to myself as an American Jew, and have no connection whatsoever to the Russian part of our ancestry. It is only a very sad chapter of history in a forlorn land, that they were fortunate enough to escape from.

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

My ancestors came from Russia and Austria, as persecuted Jews.

I asked my great-grandmother while she was still alive why they never taught us anything about Russian culture, and she said they escaped from Hell on Earth and they made a life for themselves in America, and there was nothing about their history that they wanted to remember. So I relate to myself as an American Jew, and have no connection whatsoever to the Russian part of our ancestry. It is only a very sad chapter of history in a forlorn land, that they were fortunate enough to escape from.

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

My ancestors came from Russia and Austria, as persecuted Jews.

I asked my great-grandmother while she was still alive why they never taught us anything about Russian culture, and she said they escaped from Hell on Earth and they made a life for themselves in America, and there was nothing about their history that they wanted to remember. So I relate to myself as an American Jew, and have no connection whatsoever to the Russian part of our ancestry. It is only a very sad chapter of history in a forlorn land, that they were fortunate enough to escape from.

Yeah I remember as a kid I went on a backpacking tour of Europe. My grandparents were horrified and couldn't understand why any Jew would want to go anywhere near where such bad things happened. Very late in life one grandmother started talking about her experiences as a young girl.with pogorms, escaping murder because of her blonde hair, getting rapid by a river crossing g boatman during her escape,

slow boat to Cuba and being thrown in.jail there for a year etc.

Edited May 12May 12 by Jingthing

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Bozo the clown was funnier. So were the Three Stooges. He reminds me of both, but without the sense of humor.

While Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the average sensibility - to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness. There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, most of us don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege. And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

Poor Melanoma, eh!

22 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

So , your White ancestors went to Brown mans land (America) , killed most of the locals and stole their land .

At least Israeli Jews have an historic connection to the land of Israel , you dont have an historic connection to America

You might want to show a little respect as without Brown man land´s white inhabitants and their constant support with weapons and Billions of dollars, which they send to Israel instead of spending it to improve their educational system, just to name one, Israel would have been nothing more than a hiccup in history.

23 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Again you ignore the ENTIRE Arab world attacked Israel in 1948.

But they lost so there were consquences.

I know the Israeli demonizers like to play act as if the Zionists were white colonists the same as Belgians in Africa. They weren't colonists at all for any country.

But it's intellectually dishonest to lack respect and understanding of why the Zionist ideology developed which was quite rational and why it still lives to this day.

Again you like to put it that somehow unprovoked and to everybody´s surprise (same as October 7) those 5 Arab countries attacked completely leaving out that the Jews had previously terrorized and driven out 750000 Palestinians, killing Tens of Thousands, widely known as the Nakba.

What else are Zionists but colonialists? They are textbook colonialists.

"Settler colonialism is a process by which settlers exercise colonial rule over a land and its indigenous peoples, transforming the land and replacing or assimilating its population with or into the society of the settlers"

21 hours ago, Somjot said:

The only point Zionism somehow forgot to take into that equation was the presence of Millions of Palestinians in the desired promised land, who actually welcomed the Jews at the beginning.

The Palestinians had been promised their own independent country for fighting with the Brits against the Ottomans and were planning to live in peaceful coexistence with the Jews same as they had done for centuries and therefore supported the Jewish immigration which even went so far that they let Jewish families live in their houses offering them their hospitality, which is a very important part of their mentality.

Well, the Jews had other plans. They wanted the place for themselves excluding everybody else, something unknown to the Palestinians.

Some Palestinians came back to their houses to find exchanged locks and the Jewish refugees who had been given shelter and food and enjoying their hospitality telling them to leave as from now on it is their house and turning them into refugees, a behavior which was unthinkable for the Palestinians.

THAT is the big difference.

Muslims include. Muslims are not racist. Radical Muslims are surely violent but one can always convert and be left in peace. Sure it may be hard to convert to another religion but still better than to be mistreated or killed.

Jews exclude. Israelis are somehow racist. Radical Israelis are no lesser violent but there is no way to protect yourself by converting to Judaism as that is not possible for a non Jewish person so if they are coming for you and your possessions, you´re doomed.

21 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So much wrong in that narrative that I won't bother playing into your game but yes it is possible to be a Jewish convert but very hard and also who in their right mind would want to?

It's worth noting a few things as well.

Jews living in Muslim countries were not given equal rights.

They had inferior status.

Also never forget the most powerful "Palestinian" Arab during WW2 was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who spend the war in Berlin and got a promise to EXTERMINATE each and every Jew in the Middle East region.

Lovely non-racist people. that's the ticket.

Isn´t that how you always react to funded arguments? Denial, followed by whataboutism. Or some insults which somehow always seem to include garbage and straw.

What you call "narrative" is official history.

On 5/9/2026 at 1:15 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

Is this humour ?

You are posting in a thread about Jews buying properties .

And you post ''Jews never buy''

Yes it is "Humor", BTW in the English language it is Humor and not like you write Humour.

It is especially humor for jews as you might understand with the following news"

"Some of Mohammad fondest childhood memories are of his small farm in the hills south of Bethlehem, where three generations of his family grew wheat and barley.

“It was a hard plot to farm as it was on a hillside with terraces, but it was so beautiful,” Sbeih remembers.

Now, however, the houses and roads of an Israeli settlement, Neve Daniel, are built where the Sbeih family once grew food, and the expansive view towards the sea is the chief selling point of a rental property being advertised on Booking.com.

The description on the global travel site says: “Guests can relax in the garden or on the terrace, enjoying the fresh air and scenic surroundings.” It adds the Neve Daniel house has a picnic area and is “ideal for outdoor gatherings”.

2 minutes ago, chercheur888 said:

Yes it is "Humor", BTW in the English language it is Humor and not like you write Humour.

Ha ha , that is funny, I get that joke .

Humour is British English

Humor is American English .

Humour is English

Humor is American 🙂

6 minutes ago, chercheur888 said:

Yes it is "Humor", BTW in the English language it is Humor and not like you write Humour.

It is especially humor for jews as you might understand with the following news"

"Some of Mohammad fondest childhood memories are of his small farm in the hills south of Bethlehem, where three generations of his family grew wheat and barley.

“It was a hard plot to farm as it was on a hillside with terraces, but it was so beautiful,” Sbeih remembers.

Now, however, the houses and roads of an Israeli settlement, Neve Daniel, are built where the Sbeih family once grew food, and the expansive view towards the sea is the chief selling point of a rental property being advertised on Booking.com.

The description on the global travel site says: “Guests can relax in the garden or on the terrace, enjoying the fresh air and scenic surroundings.” It adds the Neve Daniel house has a picnic area and is “ideal for outdoor gatherings”.

What is the cost for a weekly stay in June ?

On 5/12/2026 at 8:39 PM, Somjot said:

Again you like to put it that somehow unprovoked and to everybody´s surprise (same as October 7) those 5 Arab countries attacked completely leaving out that the Jews had previously terrorized and driven out 750000 Palestinians, killing Tens of Thousands, widely known as the Nakba.

What else are Zionists but colonialists? They are textbook colonialists.

"Settler colonialism is a process by which settlers exercise colonial rule over a land and its indigenous peoples, transforming the land and replacing or assimilating its population with or into the society of the settlers"

Isn´t that how you always react to funded arguments? Denial, followed by whataboutism. Or some insults which somehow always seem to include garbage and straw.

What you call "narrative" is official history.

Official history?

So you're a comedian too?

Your hateful bias is so thick that it jumps off the screen.

37 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

What is the cost for a weekly stay in June ?

I can give you the pogrom promo package PPP.

46 minutes ago, chercheur888 said:

Yes it is "Humor", BTW in the English language it is Humor and not like you write Humour.

It is especially humor for jews as you might understand with the following news"

"Some of Mohammad fondest childhood memories are of his small farm in the hills south of Bethlehem, where three generations of his family grew wheat and barley.

“It was a hard plot to farm as it was on a hillside with terraces, but it was so beautiful,” Sbeih remembers.

Now, however, the houses and roads of an Israeli settlement, Neve Daniel, are built where the Sbeih family once grew food, and the expansive view towards the sea is the chief selling point of a rental property being advertised on Booking.com.

The description on the global travel site says: “Guests can relax in the garden or on the terrace, enjoying the fresh air and scenic surroundings.” It adds the Neve Daniel house has a picnic area and is “ideal for outdoor gatherings”.

Hey mate the actual joke is Jews never pay retail.

Jews never buy is just inane and not funny.

I don't find the retail joke offensive because although its obviously not true, you're a fool to pay retail if you don't have to regardless of ethnicity.

Edited May 15May 15 by Jingthing

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Hey mate the actual joke is Jews never pay retail.

Jews never buy is just inane and not funny.

I don't find the retail joke offensive because although its obviously not true, you're a fool to pay retail if you don't have to regardless of ethnicity.

That's a Jersey joke: Jersey girls never pay retail. Never heard it applied to Jews. Nobody with any sense pays retail.

7 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

That's a Jersey joke: Jersey girls never pay retail. Never heard it applied to Jews. Nobody with any sense pays retail.

Cant Jews have anything without you trying to take it away from them ?

27 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

That's a Jersey joke: Jersey girls never pay retail. Never heard it applied to Jews. Nobody with any sense pays retail.

For someone who claims to be some kind of Jewish culture maven, you really are quite clueless about so much Jew stuff.

Jewish Humor on Retail Pricing

Cultural Context

Jewish humor often revolves around themes of negotiation and frugality. Jokes about avoiding full retail prices reflect a cultural emphasis on bargaining and smart shopping. This humor plays into stereotypes about Jewish business acumen and thriftiness.

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Cant Jews have anything without you trying to take it away from them ?

Nick, finally I can laugh with you! I've been reading a lot of Jewish humour and your joke fits a perfect mold! Thank you!

On 5/11/2026 at 9:28 AM, JBChiangRai said:

But not by taking it away from someone else.

You can never legitimize that, it’s always going to be a moral crime.

On 5/11/2026 at 11:23 AM, Somjot said:

So they went and displaced 750.000 Palestinians and murdered Tens of Thousands and discriminate against the Arabs within Israel and oppress those outise in the occupied areas piece by piece stealing their land eversince.

Sounds fair.

Resolution of international conflicts often results in huge disruptions for civilian populations. That's happened countless times throughout history.

An estimated 12 million to 20 million people were displaced by the population transfers caused by the partition of India and Pakistan. Between 200,000 and two million people lost their lives in the clashes between Hindus and Muslims.

It was a terrible tragedy, but also the inevitable outcome of dividing a country along religious lines. Not partitioning India would have led to total civil war and a much higher casualty count. There were no violence-free solutions; only bad solutions and even worse ones.

Countless millions in Asia and Europe were displaced in the wake of WWII. It's naive to think the Arab inhabitants of Mandatory Palestine would escape this fallout from WWII, especially when the Arab leader of Palestine had sided so strongly with the Nazis.

The world's Jews, with the focus on displaced survivors of the Holocaust, needed a homeland that would serve as a haven. Giving Jews part of Mandatory Palestine was the best and most practical solution at the time, even if tens of thousands of Arabs had to give up their homes.

Maybe it wasn't fair but it was necessary. The Arabs in Mandatory Palestinian were essentially generic Arabs who could have lived almost anywhere in North Africa. They and their descendants would have had much better lives if they had accepted the UN partition plan or moved elsewhere.

Their futile attempt to cling to land in Palestine led to misery and often death for Arabs who consider themselves Palestine. For close to 80 years, Palestinian Arabs have pursued a totally unrealistic goal of living in or returning to Palestine under Arab control.

Ain't gonna happen. When the Arabs recognize Israel as the homeland of the world's Jews and accept it's here to stay, a lasting peace can be achieved in the Middle East.

Edited May 15May 15 by Evil Penevil

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Official history?

So you're a comedian too?

Your hateful bias is so thick that it jumps off the screen.

Again: denial, not the slightest attempt to engage in the substance of the debate or to prove me wrong followed by insults or accusations.

You might want to learn a bit from @Evil Penevil

He opposes my posts with well grounded arguments and carefully considered opinions, which I might not share but fully respect and definitely never would describe as hateful bias or garbage.

The only hate here is the one you feel whenever confronted with facts that don´t support your agenda.

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

Again: denial, not the slightest attempt to engage in the substance of the debate or to prove me wrong followed by insults or accusations.

You might want to learn a bit from @Evil Penevil

He opposes my posts with well grounded arguments and carefully considered opinions, which I might not share but fully respect and definitely never would describe as hateful bias or garbage.

The only hate here is the one you feel whenever confronted with facts that don´t support your agenda.

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

Again: denial, not the slightest attempt to engage in the substance of the debate or to prove me wrong followed by insults or accusations.

You might want to learn a bit from @Evil Penevil

He opposes my posts with well grounded arguments and carefully considered opinions, which I might not share but fully respect and definitely never would describe as hateful bias or garbage.

The only hate here is the one you feel whenever confronted with facts that don´t support your agenda.

There is plenty of hate coming from you.

Sorry, but I really don't have the bandwidth to go over things point by point with every extremist "anti-Zionist" that actually believes only their extremist Israel demonizing historical narrative has merit that haunts this forum.

I have always asserted that there are credible narratives from both sides.

I can offer this video that you will of course vehemently reject but hopefully will be illuminating to others.

Edited May 15May 15 by Jingthing

To clarify the guy in the video is significantly more right wing than I am but his general debate points about Israel and its obsessive "anti-Zionist" demonizers are spot on.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

To clarify the guy in the video is significantly more right wing than I am but his general debate points about Israel and its obsessive "anti-Zionist" demonizers are spot on.

Well rehearsed, right-wing, Israel is all good, and wants Rubio for POTUS, just goes to prove there is no god.

25 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Well rehearsed, right-wing, Israel is all good, and wants Rubio for POTUS, just goes to prove there is no god.

It’s fairly clear there is no god. Religions tend to fail on 2 tests, the test of time and the test of goodness.

The Bible/Torah and Quran are full of scientific inaccuracies that weren’t known at the time they were penned. QED, they were written by liars. Then there is the test of goodness. It’s clear that any god would be good. It’s therefore impossible he would treat any group of people inequitably to another, he couldn’t have favourites, he couldn’t have a chosen people (Judaism), he couldn’t condone slavery (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), worshipping him couldn’t be the only way to the afterlife eg Christianity and the Sentinelese.

I don’t understand how religious Jews can reconcile that they can be the chosen people when the concept of it means their god either can’t exist or can’t be good?

I was taught religion as a child. Frankly, I think this an evil thing to do. Children are impressionable and they tend to carry that burden for a long time. Breaking free from this prison of belief is very difficult. 200 years ago, there wasn’t the discussion there is today, there wasn’t the internet so you couldn’t research it. Today you can question what you were taught and you can see the inconsistencies and falsehoods.

When you start to inquire and investigate, you look at Christianity and it’s clear the theory of the trinity came about long after Jesus’s death and it was a man-made creation, so the root of Christianity (Judaism) is more likely.

When you look at Islam it’s clear the Quran around which it is based is full of both errors, inequalities and evil, so the root of Islam (Judaism is more likely.

When you look at Judaism, it’s clear it’s full of scientific inaccuracies, inequalities and evil, so the can’t be likely either.

QED. Religion is a man-made construct.

7 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Nick, finally I can laugh with you! I've been reading a lot of Jewish humour and your joke fits a perfect mold! Thank you!

Its more likely those mushrooms making you laught

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

It’s fairly clear there is no god. Religions tend to fail on 2 tests, the test of time and the test of goodness.

The Bible/Torah and Quran are full of scientific inaccuracies that weren’t known at the time they were penned. QED, they were written by liars. Then there is the test of goodness. It’s clear that any god would be good. It’s therefore impossible he would treat any group of people inequitably to another, he couldn’t have favourites, he couldn’t have a chosen people (Judaism), he couldn’t condone slavery (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), worshipping him couldn’t be the only way to the afterlife eg Christianity and the Sentinelese.

I don’t understand how religious Jews can reconcile that they can be the chosen people when the concept of it means their god either can’t exist or can’t be good?

I was taught religion as a child. Frankly, I think this an evil thing to do. Children are impressionable and they tend to carry that burden for a long time. Breaking free from this prison of belief is very difficult. 200 years ago, there wasn’t the discussion there is today, there wasn’t the internet so you couldn’t research it. Today you can question what you were taught and you can see the inconsistencies and falsehoods.

When you start to inquire and investigate, you look at Christianity and it’s clear the theory of the trinity came about long after Jesus’s death and it was a man-made creation, so the root of Christianity (Judaism) is more likely.

When you look at Islam it’s clear the Quran around which it is based is full of both errors, inequalities and evil, so the root of Islam (Judaism is more likely.

When you look at Judaism, it’s clear it’s full of scientific inaccuracies, inequalities and evil, so the can’t be likely either.

QED. Religion is a man-made construct.

Religion, God, follow the money, everyone likes a profit.