8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

This shameless.troll topic is Jew washing extremist "anti -Zionism"

The estimated global population of Neturei Karta is about 5000 people yet the op here presents this very tiny very extremist fringe group as representing Jews. Classic propaganda.

Fringe is usually used dismissively, for something too minor to consider or something with which we disagree, as is you calling them a cult.

Having read thoroughly about Neturei Karta, they may be unrealistic nutjobs but I'd far rather have this sort of nutjob running Israel than the current warmongers.

Anti-Zionist? The answer is yes.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Straw Man Garbage.

1 hour ago, TedG said:

The genocide narrate is stupid. This type of rhetoric does not solve any problems.

You mean it's fine to describe the Holocaust but not the eradication of Palestinians?

The UN Human Rights Council and the Int'l Assn of Genocide Scholars agree it's genocide. 14 countries--Belgium, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Egypt, Ireland, Spain, Libya, Maldives, Mexico, Nicaragua, and Türkiye--have joined South Africa's petition to accuse Israel of genocide in the ICJ. Also joined are 31 Arab and Islamic nations, as well as the Organisation for Islamic Cooperation.

Western nations often maintain that any official designation of "genocide" must be determined by a ruling from the international courts.

So, Israel, we'll see you in court. Of course, you won't show up due to some excuse. Or tell us how "antisemitic" it is.

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1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

You clearly don't know what Jew washing is even though it was explained.

Are you stupid or just acting stupid to "win" online?

Of course this was straw man because I never said that cult says or does what they do against their free will.

So you're obnoxiously asking that I argue for a position I never said or held. SLEAZY STRAW MAN GARBAGE.

The Jew washing is when non-Jewish extremist "anti-Zionists" such as yourself use those non-representative Jews to further a hate filled propaganda objective.

Similar to how the Iranian regime used them.

They went freely. They got used and represented as representing Jews in general which they certainly do not (and as a cynical shield against accusations of racist Jew hatred).

Please educate yourself a bit more before posting more stupid garbaga.

Jing, you sure work this whole 'hatred' thing. I have become completely opposed to Zionism and both its platforms but I certainly don't hate Zionists or Jews or Zoroastrians. I actually don't believe I hate anybody. But this cult believes in peace and reconciliation.

There was recently a People's Peace Summit (also known as the "It's Time" peace conference) is a major annual grassroots gathering organized by an unprecedented coalition of over 80 Israeli, Jewish, and Arab civil society organizations dedicated to building peace.

The 2026 Tel Aviv Summit was forced to convene in secret due to extremists threats. Thousands of Israelis and Palestinians gathered in late April at the Charles Bronfman [Canadian!] Auditorium in Tel Aviv to insist that the time for peace is now. Participants and organizers called for a definitive end to hostilities and renewed diplomatic partnerships. The coalition behind it included grassroots groups like Standing Together, Zazim, Women Wage Peace, and the New Israel Fund.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

You clearly don't know what Jew washing is even though it was explained.

Are you stupid or just acting stupid to "win" online?

Of course this was straw man because I never said that cult says or does what they do against their free will.

So you're obnoxiously asking that I argue for a position I never said or held. SLEAZY STRAW MAN GARBAGE.

The Jew washing is when non-Jewish extremist "anti-Zionists" such as yourself use those non-representative Jews to further a hate filled propaganda objective.

Similar to how the Iranian regime used them.

They went freely. They got used and represented as representing Jews in general which they certainly do not (and as a cynical shield against accusations of racist Jew hatred).

Please educate yourself a bit more before posting more stupid garbaga.

Emotive and overtly inflammatory nonsense.

Moderate your your language, switch off you caps locks then come back when you have an argument that is not centered in denying others their right to freely and peacefully protest against the Israeli genocide and in support of the pro-Palestinian peace movement.

Recognizing the very many Jews who support these laudable protests is not ‘Jew washing’.

And yes the ridiculous term ‘Jew washing’ is new to me, another weapon in the arsenal of denying the legitimacy of protest against the obscene crimes being committed by Israel.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You may as well go a little bit further and say the openly racist Jew hating phrase

If anyone looking for truth it won't come out of Jew's mouth

because nine out of 10 Jews strongly support Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish democratic state.

But he didn’t say that, though clearly you wish he had.

Offended, looking for something to be offended over.

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52 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Moderate your your language, switch off you caps locks

He's getting desperate.

He's added the adjective SLEAZY to his STRAW MAN GARBAGE attack.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But he didn’t say that, though clearly you wish he had.

Offended, looking for something to be offended over.

Anti Zionist is used as a cover.

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

yet the op here presents this very tiny very extremist fringe group as representing Jews.

Representing Jews, sure, pretending to represent all Jews or a majority, or even a significant portion no, he doesn't.

51 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Representing Jews, sure, pretending to represent all Jews or a majority, or even a significant portion no, he doesn't.

No.

They represent only a tiny very insane cult.

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Emotive and overtly inflammatory nonsense.

Moderate your your language, switch off you caps locks then come back when you have an argument that is not centered in denying others their right to freely and peacefully protest against the Israeli genocide and in support of the pro-Palestinian peace movement.

Recognizing the very many Jews who support these laudable protests is not ‘Jew washing’.

And yes the ridiculous term ‘Jew washing’ is new to me, another weapon in the arsenal of denying the legitimacy of protest against the obscene crimes being committed by Israel.

You're such a liar.

Not denying anyone's freedom of speech.

Yes I also have the freedom to call out Jew washing propaganda and troll topics when I see them.

What's the matter? You can dish it out but you can't take it?

Perhaps you know the phrase pink washing?

Israel demonizers often accuse pro Israel propogandists of doing that. Turns out they're right. Pink washing is a real thing.

I can be objective and honest.

Your character is too weak for that

Your extremist "anti Zionist" mania consumes and blinds you. Its ugly.

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11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Your extremist "anti Zionist" mania consumes and blinds you. Its ugly

There is too much media coverage and clips online of war crimes to deny and continue blindly siding with Israel.

Zionist brainwashed zombies need to come out of their coma.

25 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're such a liar.

Not denying anyone's freedom of speech.

Yes I also have the freedom to call out Jew washing propaganda and troll topics when I see them.

What's the matter? You can dish it out but you can't take it?

Perhaps you know the phrase pink washing?

Israel demonizers often accuse pro Israel propogandists of doing that. Turns out they're right. Pink washing is a real thing.

I can be objective and honest.

Your character is too weak for that

Your extremist "anti Zionist" mania consumes and blinds you. Its ugly.

There you go again with the personal insults. It suggests you don’t have the capacity to argue your point intelligently.

I've got a lot of respect for America Jews who find the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians as abhorrent as do the majority of the civilized world.

Respect!

Respect!

36 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're such a liar.

Not denying anyone's freedom of speech.

Yes I also have the freedom to call out Jew washing propaganda and troll topics when I see them.

What's the matter? You can dish it out but you can't take it?

Perhaps you know the phrase pink washing?

Israel demonizers often accuse pro Israel propogandists of doing that. Turns out they're right. Pink washing is a real thing.

I can be objective and honest.

Your character is too weak for that

Your extremist "anti Zionist" mania consumes and blinds you. Its ugly.

Again you resort to overtly inflammatory language.

I have presented reasoned and morally consistent arguments, I don’t need to ‘dish out’ your go to ‘liar’ accusation or indeed any of your other attendant inflammatory baiting.

Jews are a significant and welcome constituency within the anti Israeli genocide, pro-Palestinian peace movement.

I fully expect that when the reckoning for Israel’s obscene crimes arrives, many more will make retrospective claimed to have been among them.

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Again you resort to overtly inflammatory language.

I have presented reasoned and morally consistent arguments, I don’t need to ‘dish out’ your go to ‘liar’ accusation or indeed any of your other attendant inflammatory baiting.

Jews are a significant and welcome constituency within the anti Israeli genocide, pro-Palestinian peace movement.

I fully expect that when the reckoning for Israel’s obscene crimes arrives, many more will make retrospective claimed to have been among them.

Some members here really, really, really want to label Jewish people who are on the side of the anti-Isreali genocide, pro-Palestinian peace movement, "anti-Semitic," but that shoe simple can not fit, therefore they made-up terms like "Jew Washing" and use inflammatory language which they then project on everyone for whom they personally loath, which is essentially anyone who disagrees with them. Pretty sad imho, that any thread you disagree with becomes a thread where you can spew vindictives and ad-hominid attacks instead of engaging in a reasoned and rational debate. Personally I just let them wallow in their venomous acrimony instead of sticking a boot in that rancorous muck and getting stuck in the same pit of bitterness.

My position is Antifa and Netanyahu and his gangsters, Smotrich and ben-Zvir have created a fascist theocrazy.

I am proudly anti-Zionist, anti-Hezbollah, ant-Hamas. Anti-terrorist, no matter what hat they ride under, keffiyeh or yarmulke.

The argument is that Israel is a democracy. There can be no real democracy when nationalism is whipped up in the same way as National Socialism: conscript everybody, believe in the state, follow orders.

Jing says nine out of ten Jews believe in the right of Israel to war on everybody. I think that statement is wrong: nine out of ten Israelis believe the state can do no wrong and the IDF is the only thing between them and Death to Israel.

Nevertheless, there is a rising tide of Israelis who are saying, enough is enough. And a majority of Jews living outside Israel already think Israel has gone too far.

I'm antiwar, anticonscription. I support peacemakers no matter who they are, even if you believe them to be a lunatic fringe cult. They believe they are following Judaism as taught by the Torah. Who are you to question their beliefs? Some Jews believe in peace not war.

52 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Again you resort to overtly inflammatory language.

I have presented reasoned and morally consistent arguments, I don’t need to ‘dish out’ your go to ‘liar’ accusation or indeed any of your other attendant inflammatory baiting.

Jews are a significant and welcome constituency within the anti Israeli genocide, pro-Palestinian peace movement.

I fully expect that when the reckoning for Israel’s obscene crimes arrives, many more will make retrospective claimed to have been among them.

You conveniently fail again and again to say the TRUTH -- that the majority of Palestinian Arabs do not want peace at all. They want all the land of Israel and the Jews gone. As the Jews aren't going, that means they are for genocide of Jews.

Yes, tragically, about 10 percent of Arabs in Gaza have been killed.

Whether that is genocide or not is an academic question.

But what most Palestinian Arabs want to do the Jews of Israel would without any doubt be genocide.

The fashionista "anti Zionist" movement is incapable of facing the complexities and realities for the position of Israel.

2 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

My position is Antifa and Netanyahu and his gangsters, Smotrich and ben-Zvir have created a fascist theocrazy.

I am proudly anti-Zionist, anti-Hezbollah, ant-Hamas. Anti-terrorist, no matter what hat they ride under, keffiyeh or yarmulke.

The argument is that Israel is a democracy. There can be no real democracy when nationalism is whipped up in the same way as National Socialism: conscript everybody, believe in the state, follow orders.

Jing says nine out of ten Jews believe in the right of Israel to war on everybody. I think that statement is wrong: nine out of ten Israelis believe the state can do no wrong and the IDF is the only thing between them and Death to Israel.

Nevertheless, there is a rising tide of Israelis who are saying, enough is enough. And a majority of Jews living outside Israel already think Israel has gone too far.

I'm antiwar, anticonscription. I support peacemakers no matter who they are, even if you believe them to be a lunatic fringe cult. They believe they are following Judaism as taught by the Torah. Who are you to question their beliefs? Some Jews believe in peace not war.

LIAR!

I never said that.

2 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Jing says nine out of ten Jews believe in the right of Israel to war on everybody.

A perfect example of what I mean by Straw Man Garbage.

How sleazy and how low will go?

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You conveniently fail again and again to say the TRUTH -- that the majority of Palestinian Arabs do not want peace at all. They want all the land of Israel and the Jews gone. As the Jews aren't going, that means they are for genocide of Jews.

That seems like a false statement.

Palestinians, as far as I know, have been willing to accept 2 state solutions.

The initial UN proposal was rejected because a disproportionate amount of land was awarded to the Jews.

The PLO may have accepted another two state agreement that was derailed by the killing of Rabin.

More bad news for you.

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You conveniently fail again and again to say the TRUTH -- that the majority of Palestinian Arabs do not want peace at all. They want all the land of Israel and the Jews gone. As the Jews aren't going, that means they are for genocide of Jews.

Yes, tragically, about 10 percent of Arabs in Gaza have been killed.

Whether that is genocide or not is an academic question.

But what most Palestinian Arabs want to do the Jews of Israel would without any doubt be genocide.

The fashionista "anti Zionist" movement is incapable of facing the complexities and realities for the position of Israel.

Oddly not the topic of discussion.

I don’t support violence on either side of this conflict.

The Israeli genocide in Gaza is not academic.

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

LIAR!

I never said that.

A perfect example of what I mean by Straw Man Garbage.

How sleazy and how low will go?

Last time somebody asked me that I was at a wedding, very drunk, doing the limbo!

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

That seems like a false statement.

Palestinians, as far as I know, have been willing to accept 2 state solutions.

The initial UN proposal was rejected because a disproportionate amount of land was awarded to the Jews.

The PLO may have accepted another two state agreement that was derailed by the killing of Rabin.

More bad news for you.

In 1948, Israel got 51% (56%?) of Palestine. The Arabs got the rest. Israel couldn't take a win. They wanted all of it and have been chipping away at territorial expansion by theft and colonisation.

So many are confused.

Zionism only means that Jews should have the right to a sovereign state and political self determination, a political ideology that developed in response to thousands of years of persecution in the diaspora.

Exactly the same as any sovereign nation such as Thailand and Japan for good examples.

If you oppose that basic right for Jews and only Jews and don't oppose it for other nations, you are by definition a racist Jew hater.

Similar to people who might say that African nations aren't capable of democracy.

Of course opposing Israel government policies in a normal way the same as any country is not racist Jew hatred.

Yes there are Jews in the world that oppose Zionism (that Jews should have a nation) but in those cases they are Jews and have agency and skin in the game for that view.

For example there might be odd Japanese people saying Japan doesn't deserve to exist. They have agency to say that. Non-Japanese do not.

It's clear to me that many people saying they're "anti-Zionist" whether infected with racist Jew hatred or not (sometimes it is, sometimes it's not) are using the term incorrectly, They're opposing Israeli government actions and policies. I'm with them on that. Many Israelis Zionists are with them on that as well.

The actions and policies of Israeli governments have indeed been very flawed.

But that doesn't mean the nation of Israel shouldn't have the right to exist.

Get the difference?!?

I hate Z fascist Putin but I've never said Russia doesn't deserve to exist.

They should just say that they're opposing specific actions. If their "anti-Zionism" does bleed into opposition for Israel existing at all as a Jewish state which sadly so often it does, in my view again, that is racist Jew hated.

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6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oddly not the topic of discussion.

I don’t support violence on either side of this conflict.

The Israeli genocide in Gaza is not academic.

No.

If you don't think Israel deserves to exist as Jewish state then you are taking a position on what happens to the Jews there,

You twisted what I said about genocide in Gaza.

You have no integrity whatsover.

Whatever sleaze you can sling to "win' online.

5 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

In 1948, Israel got 51% (56%?) of Palestine. The Arabs got the rest. Israel couldn't take a win. They wanted all of it and have been chipping away at territorial expansion by theft and colonisation.

5 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

In 1948, Israel got 51% (56%?) of Palestine. The Arabs got the rest. Israel couldn't take a win. They wanted all of it and have been chipping away at territorial expansion by theft and colonisation.

5 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

In 1948, Israel got 51% (56%?) of Palestine. The Arabs got the rest. Israel couldn't take a win. They wanted all of it and have been chipping away at territorial expansion by theft and colonisation.

You're lying again.

The entire Arab world immediately invaded the newly formed state.

The Arab world couldn't accept a Jewish state of one inch.

30 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No.

If you don't think Israel deserves to exist as Jewish state then you are taking a position on what happens to the Jews there,

You twisted what I said about genocide in Gaza.

You have no integrity whatsover.

Whatever sleaze you can sling to "win' online.

When did I say the I don’t think Israel deserves to exist?

In the absence of me having said such a thing the conclusions you draw are from views you yourself imagine me to hold.

Both assertion and conclusion figments of your own imagination.

Not so much twisting what I’ve said as imagining views on my behalf that I myself have never expressed.

‘Integrity’ and ‘sleaze’ you say,

2 hours ago, connda said:

I've got a lot of respect for America Jews who find the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians as abhorrent as do the majority of the civilized world.

Respect!

Respect!

Respect your elders for sure, but in no way is Zionism genocide.

Another one that doesn't know the definition of Zionism.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

When did I say the I don’t think Israel deserves to exist?

In the absence of me having said such a thing the conclusions you draw are from views you yourself imagine me to hold.

Both assertion and conclusion figments of your own imagination.

Not so much twisting what I’ve said as imagining views on my behalf that I myself have never expressed.

‘Integrity’ and ‘sleaze’ you say,

You should have said Straw Man Garbage.

I could have easily mixed you up with others. Perhaps.

If you support the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state then you're not really anti-Zionist.

41 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

In 1948, Israel got 51% (56%?) of Palestine.

No they didn't . Israel got 0 % of Palestine .

Palestine didn't exist .

( BTW The map picture you're about to post has been debunked numerous times )