1 hour ago, Hummin said:

You sound like you’ve read a lot of Benatar or Schopenhauer?

Did you say Benatar???

I love her, too.....

Get Out....!!!!

Is she on steroids?

Edited August 6Aug 6 by GammaGlobulin

24 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Everyone has their own neurosis to deal with.

And then you have to deal with other people's neurosis.

Lately, I have spent a lot of time alone, so it's not a problem.

Being around neurotic family, problematic girlfriend, neurotic co-workers, bosses, and a stressful job, it can accumulate fast and be overwhelming.

And that's one reason so many people reach for the meds.

This is one of the most famous paintings of all time.

It's a guy who can't deal with all the insanity around him.

Short told, Munch felt the heavens fell down on him while people walked by unnoticed. That says a lot about isolation, anxiety and loneliness.

10 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Did you say Benatar???

I love her, too.....

Get Out....!!!!

Is she on steroids?

Benatar is the philosopher who became the master of pessimism.

I did not know about him back then, but I can see where he is coming from. I had a period where I thought the whole world was off and everyone was crazy, except me of course. 😉 I even wondered why there was nobody like me. I got over that, but if I am being honest, a small part of me still thinks it now and then.

Enough so that I would never want to create a mini Hummin.

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Short told, Munch felt the heavens fell down on him while people walked by unnoticed. That says a lot about isolation, anxiety and loneliness.

Edvard was a bohemian nudist.

I cannot say that I do not envy him.

But, Van Gogh was the real genius, of course.

3 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Edvard was a bohemian nudist.

I cannot say that I do not envy him.

But, Van Gogh was the real genius, of course.

It can take a toll to be a genius in this world sometimes! 😉

Always been dipping naked on hikes in Norway, but honestly, are you considered a nudist if there is no one around?

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

You sound like you’ve read a lot of Benatar or Schopenhauer?

Both are about the only two philosophers I respect.

7 hours ago, Hummin said:

It can take a toll to be a genius in this world sometimes! 😉

Always been dipping naked on hikes in Norway, but honestly, are you considered a nudist if there is no one around?

You mean?

If a tree falleth in a forest?

I would say that I am sort of a bashful nudist.

7 hours ago, Hummin said:

It can take a toll to be a genius in this world sometimes!

In fact: Yes. It can take a toll on one to be gifted in a world of mediocrity.

Any individual too far right on the Bell Curve gets blasted.

Best to be within one standard of deviation of the norm.

At least, one can die happy.

Yes I believe Psychiatric drugs exist.

Doctors used substances like opium, chloral hydrate, and bromides to calm patients for years.

In 1898, Bayer introduced heroin as a cough and pain medicine, promoted as safer than morphine, and it was widely prescribed to both adults and children—an assumption later proven wrong.

IMHO, Psychiatrist Doctors are incompetent and prescribe these drugs by the guess and giggle method. Here try this. Doesn't work? Then try this one. Repeat until sedated sufficiently.

There are better natural alternatives that have been used for thousands of years by people all around the world. 🤗

8 hours ago, JackGats said:

Both are about the only two philosophers I respect.

Never heard of Benatar.

Did either one of those "philosophers" kill themselves by any chance?

Some of these philosophers are the craziest of them all.

And I went to see the doctor of philosophy
With a poster of Rasputin and a beard down to his knee

Edited August 6Aug 6 by save the frogs

2 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

chloral hydrate

Chloral hydrate is quite useful for doing a sleep EEG.

I have used it, and it works...

I administered it to patients.

I would never eat it, myself.

An old but good drug...IMHO....

9 hours ago, JackGats said:

Both are about the only two philosophers I respect.

Try reading children's books instead.

22 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Drug use is high in the US, but also in most other countries, especially Germany, Switzerland, japan, Korea, France, Canada, and Greece, among others close per capita. It follows with the obesity and junk food eating, which all countries are increasing with. Japan, Germany and France sometimes pass the US per capita in volume used.

Agreed

The idea of most of those drugs is to act as a temporary intervention if actually used effectively. The entire issue appears mostly about the fact there isn't enough psychologists and psychiaters, as it used to even require at least X sessions with a psychologist, before seeing a psychiater, to then maybe get temporary some anti depression medicine.

The entire key of course is to then also make pro-active positive changes to life itself, in that same period, to be able and recover after without the use of medicine. In a way, this can of course be anything, many self medicate this way with weed effectively, however as long not addressing the core issues, they then also get stagnant in life. Even that is way less harmful, and less expensive, than the pharma way.

Reality today in especially countries like USA, western EU is much more controlled, is that anyone can get prescribed hardcore pharma, without ever actually addressing the real reasons for it, or to have a therapy or treatment plan as of it intending to be temporary.

I'm not sure too, there is quite a large percentage of population that wouldn't want to be seen remotely or identified by using medicinal weed or drinking, whilst going to church every sunday, that is exactly the people who go for the pill solutions too. That's the coke users too. I have at least 4-6 people in my extended family back home that suffer (winter) depression and shamesly use quite some heavy pills for this since many years, while they judge people who smoke a joint after work and have a good stable succesfull life.

I guess my point is, everyone has something to escape the drama int heir life. You even have the obsessed health and fitness maniacs, that might not drink/smoke or take any pills, but are awful bored people who look like they use cocaine on energy levels.

Edited August 7Aug 7 by sunrisecoconuts

2 hours ago, sunrisecoconuts said:

The idea of most of those drugs is to act as a temporary intervention if actually used effectively. The entire issue appears mostly about the fact there isn't enough psychologists and psychiaters, as it used to even require at least X sessions with a psychologist, before seeing a psychiater, to then maybe get temporary some anti depression medicine.

The entire key of course is to then also make pro-active positive changes to life itself, in that same period, to be able and recover after without the use of medicine. In a way, this can of course be anything, many self medicate this way with weed effectively, however as long not addressing the core issues, they then also get stagnant in life. Even that is way less harmful, and less expensive, than the pharma way.

Reality today in especially countries like USA, western EU is much more controlled, is that anyone can get prescribed hardcore pharma, without ever actually addressing the real reasons for it, or to have a therapy or treatment plan as of it intending to be temporary.

I'm not sure too, there is quite a large percentage of population that wouldn't want to be seen remotely or identified by using medicinal weed or drinking, whilst going to church every sunday, that is exactly the people who go for the pill solutions too. That's the coke users too. I have at least 4-6 people in my extended family back home that suffer (winter) depression and shamesly use quite some heavy pills for this since many years, while they judge people who smoke a joint after work and have a good stable succesfull life.

I guess my point is, everyone has something to escape the drama int heir life. You even have the obsessed health and fitness maniacs, that might not drink/smoke or take any pills, but are awful bored people who look like they use cocaine on energy levels.

I also believe the strategy behind therapy can be just as important as the use of drugs, and especially how the therapy works on each individual. I will see if I can find the YouTube version of this short reel from Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/771548322707911/?fs=e&fs=e

35 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I also believe the strategy behind therapy can be just as important as the use of drugs, and especially how the therapy works on each individual. I will see if I can find the YouTube version of this short reel from Facebook.

I found the podcast shown above.

Joe Dispenza is an author and speaker known for his work on meditation, neuroplasticity and personal change, although some of his claims remain controversial and more work and research is needed. Podcasts do have a great function, but sometimes there is room for more than just proven science.

I have only seen a small part of this podcast that caught my interest. I will see if I can get through the whole episode and see if I agree with him. I have already found parts where I do agree. Honestly, I do not like the word meditation, but I like repetitive work and focus, which in my opinion is meditation, maybe just not how most people think about it.

https://youtu.be/rOYlOdDgYUU?is=uY97iRDvwHv4eIbb

On 8/4/2026 at 12:45 PM, fredwiggy said:

The wrong medicine can make things worse for patients. The right ones have saved thousands of lives. Constant monitoring, which some doctors fail to do, is a major problem. Reducing depression symptoms, which is their intent, can make a person easier to cope with daily life, work and relationships. That they have side effects, like all other medicines, makes the monitoring essential. I've seen them work with quite a few acquaintances and friends.

I've had severe PTSD from things I witnesed / was part of iduring combat in Vietnam.

Like many old soldiers the severity of my PTSD comes and goes.

About 8 years back (I was here ic Thailand) I was in a real low.

I went to a Thai psychiatric hospital and the dr. seemed to be very professional. As usual he prescribed 4 very serious tablet medications.

I went home, straight to the internet and search the details of all 4 medications:

• They were all very strong.

• They all had severe serious side effects.

• Two of the medications should not have been prescribed together.

• All of the 4 tablets are strongly habit forming and that's not OK.

I didn't take any of them. I went online to the Australian DVA asking for advice, in less than 10 minutes a DVA staff psychiatrist called me.

He was very calm and a good listener. And he said 'do you have about 1 hour to please share with me your recent PTSD symptoms and also share the actual incidents in Vietnam which you believe are the root of your PTSD.

We did that, then he said, I will email 2 medications that I recommend for your situation, and given that so many medications are avaialble over the counter in Thailand both should be readily available. If not I will call a snr. doctor at a Thai public hospital we work with and ask the doctor to quickly find these tablets and get them delivered to you. Further:

1. Please DO NOT take any of the medications the Thai Psych. hospital doctor prescribed. Please flush all of them, they are dangerous.

2. Please start my precribed tablets as soon as you can. After 3 days please call me (and he gave me his mobile number) and share the result of the tablets I am recommending.

3. I called the doctor in Oz late morning after 3 days. He answered his mobile in just 2 seconds. He listened while I shared how I was now feeling, then patiently he asked me 4 or 5 specific questions as to the result of the new tabs.

4. Reality was that I was much more relaxed and feeling well balanced.

5. Oz specialist then said 'please take the 2 new tablets for a further 7 days then change to 1 tab every second day for 2 weeks, then please call me again.

6. I did all of that, called the DVA specilaist and he said 'please change to 1 of each tablet every 3 days, in the meantime I will talk my companion specialist at the private hospital in Chiang Mai. And I will request that the fees for any consultations and medication cost be charged direct to the DVA.

7. I took the 2 medications as above for 6 months, then stopped. Thats now several years back. I still have PTSD issues but much milder and normally back to nrmal within 24 hrs.

2 minutes ago, scorecard said:

I've had severe PTSD from things I witnesed / was part of iduring combat in Vietnam.

Like many old soldiers the severity of my PTSD comes and goes.

About 8 years back (I was here ic Thailand) I was in a real low.

I went to a Thai psychiatric hospital and the dr. seemed to be very professional. As usual he prescribed 4 very serious tablet medications.

I went home, straight to the internet and search the details of all 4 medications:

• They were all very strong.

• They all had severe serious side effects.

• Two of the medications should not have been prescribed together.

• All of the 4 tablets are strongly habit forming and that's not OK.

I didn't take any of them. I went online to the Australian DVA asking for advice, in less than 10 minutes a DVA staff psychiatrist called me.

He was very calm and a good listener. And he said 'do you have about 1 hour to please share with me your recent PTSD symptoms and also share the actual incidents in Vietnam which you believe are the root of your PTSD.

We did that, then he said, I will email 2 medications that I recommend for your situation, and given that so many medications are avaialble over the counter in Thailand both should be readily available. If not I will call a snr. doctor at a Thai public hospital we work with and ask the doctor to quickly find these tablets and get them delivered to you. Further:

1. Please DO NOT take any of the medications the Thai Psych. hospital doctor prescribed. Please flush all of them, they are dangerous.

2. Please start my precribed tablets as soon as you can. After 3 days please call me (and he gave me his mobile number) and share the result of the tablets I am recommending.

3. I called the doctor in Oz late morning after 3 days. He answered his mobile in just 2 seconds. He listened while I shared how I was now feeling, then patiently he asked me 4 or 5 specific questions as to the result of the new tabs.

4. Reality was that I was much more relaxed and feeling well balanced.

5. Oz specialist then said 'please take the 2 new tablets for a further 7 days then change to 1 tab every second day for 2 weeks, then please call me again.

6. I did all of that, called the DVA specilaist and he said 'please change to 1 of each tablet every 3 days, in the meantime I will talk my companion specialist at the private hospital in Chiang Mai. And I will request that the fees for any consultations and medication cost be charged direct to the DVA.

7. I took the 2 medications as above for 6 months, then stopped. Thats now several years back. I still have PTSD issues but much milder and normally back to nrmal within 24 hrs.

Exactly why a patient needs to find the best doctor they can, as some are quick to prescribe without knowing all of a patients history. Some meds make things worse, some don't work at all, and some are just what a person needs, at least for the time being. Monitoring before refilling is necessary, and the patient needs to be honest how they are feeling, as some will just refill without thinking.

My ex girlfriend has clinical depression, and I tried to get her help. The doctor gave her a prescription and it made her worse. The next improved things, and then she stopped taking them altogether.

She was taking care of our daughter at her apartment at that time, joint custody, and decided to just give her to me, as she felt she would be better taken care of with me.

We split around that time, and she became a truck driver, and is to this day. Her mom and dad had it, and her dad took his own life by hanging before she ever met him, as she was raised by her stepdad. I at first tried helping her with St. John's Wort, which helped a little, until she went to the doctor. Wrong meds can make things a whole lot worse and some doctors shouldn't be practicing.

Edited August 7Aug 7 by fredwiggy

8 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Try reading children's books instead.

As I said, the whole of human culture, including of course children books, which are the first stage of the brain-washing.

16 minutes ago, JackGats said:

As I said, the whole of human culture, including of course children books, which are the first stage of the brain-washing.

You're way too cynical about the world.

Probably in large part because you've been reading one too many books by these nihilistic philosophers.

Or one too many bar girls done you wrong.

45 minutes ago, JackGats said:

As I said, the whole of human culture, including of course children books, which are the first stage of the brain-washing.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Please clarify.

5 minutes ago, scorecard said:

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Please clarify.

Look up antinatalism and pessimism through his two preferred philosophers, David Benatar and Arthur Schopenhauer. Then you will understand where he is coming from.

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Look up antinatalism and pessimism through his two preferred philosophers, David Benatar and Arthur Schopenhauer. Then you will understand where he is coming from.

I checked that. How does it connect to the original item re psychiatric medications?

On 8/5/2026 at 9:05 PM, Hummin said:

If you believe this kind of manipulation does you any good, try it on someone else.

Manipulation of what exactly?

4 hours ago, Hummin said:

Look up antinatalism and pessimism through his two preferred philosophers, David Benatar and Arthur Schopenhauer. Then you will understand where he is coming from.

Never heard of Benatar.

But I wonder if he might be an "elite spook" and there are hordes of others like him pushing that message, being paid to push that message to the masses.

I will also post this in the migration thread.

But anti-natalism is one of the reasons EU is slipping into mass immigration and potentially loss of culture.

42 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Never heard of Benatar.

But I wonder if he might be an "elite spook" and there are hordes of others like him pushing that message, being paid to push that message to the masses.

I will also post this in the migration thread.

But anti-natalism is one of the reasons EU is slipping into mass immigration and potentially loss of culture.

Do you actually believe there is an antinatalist culture? This has little to do with David Benatar. From what I have seen, this “Pure Logic” group seems to mix facts, half truths and speculation into a narrative that could be true, or perhaps one they simply want to be true.

There are good reasons why fewer babies are born now than before. Culture has also been mixing for as long as humans have travelled, gone to war, traded, migrated, or taken in people looking for shelter and work.

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Do you actually believe there is an antinatalist culture?

There is a marked difference between western countries and africa/middle east.

Although China HAD to .. due to imposed policy.

But doesn't mean it's due to a conscious anti-natalist philosophy or just women working too much / cost of living.

On 8/4/2026 at 8:50 PM, Tourist2 said:

Someone suggested: either snap out of it or bullett / pickaxe to the head.

Can't stop whinging, self pity and/or ASB?
Hopelessly addicted?
Can't stop <deleted> with people and/or doing crime?

A permanent cure to all these ills is available but would soyciety accept it?

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about! "snap out of it or kill yourself"?

sure, not your words but you posted them.

A child just went on a shooting rampage here in Thailand,many dead and/or in a coma.

What i gather is that he had been asking for help a long time but his pleads were ignored.

Imo this kid was severely depressed and saw no other way out.

If you have never been depressed for a longer period of time you absolutely have no idea what it does to your live.

Very slowly the medical society is starting to see that some people can be cured by mushrooms but that is a total different topic.

16 hours ago, save the frogs said:

There is a marked difference between western countries and africa/middle east.

Although China HAD to .. due to imposed policy.

But doesn't mean it's due to a conscious anti-natalist philosophy or just women working too much / cost of living.

There's no antinatalist culture. Antinatalism, by its very nature, can only be a tiny minority school of thought. Antinatalists under-reproduce, therefore the genes coding for antinatalism get deselected: they vanish from the gene pool. The misery of Life is self-sustaining and self-reinforcing.

On 8/7/2026 at 8:04 AM, scorecard said:

About 8 years back (I was here ic Thailand) I was in a real low.

2 hours ago, jvs said:

"MISQUOTE"?

sure, not your words but you posted them.

I prescribe hard manual labour - as much as it takes to stop your naval gazings and feeling sorry for yourself.
Or maybe help someone out who is much worse off than you.
Should take the focus off of yourself.