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Australian Aged Pension

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2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

There's nothing wrong with being truthful, accurate, factual, and informative, and posting links to back up my posts.

If you don't like the reality of government policy and legislation, particularly when it comes to taxation, why troll the person who posts about it. What does it achieve?

You claimed you had not been on the AAP thread since 2014.

2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

There's nothing wrong with being truthful, accurate, factual, and informative, and posting links to back up my posts.

"12 years???? Hardly."

That is what you said when I pointed out you had been posting on OAP threads since 2014, confirmed by another poster.

Truthful, accurate, factual? You're a <deleted> liar.

"Informative"? Hardly. None of your predictions have come to fruition.

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7 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You claimed you had not been on the AAP thread since 2014.

"12 years???? Hardly."

That is what you said when I pointed out you had been posting on OAP threads since 2014, confirmed by another poster.

Truthful, accurate, factual? You're a <deleted> liar.

"Informative"? Hardly. None of your predictions have come to fruition.

Ah, yes, I forgot to reply to that post of yours. Apologies. I was under the impression you were referring to the sub topic about the proposed changes to the current 90 year old tax residency laws that I brought to member's attention in more recent times.

If I have been a member for 12 years, yes, I have been posting for 12 years, however, unlike yourself, and by your own admission, I do not have any "nom de plume." 😂

You mentioned you haven't submitted a tax return for several years. I posted the below link. You will note it's from the ATO.

https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals-and-families/coming-to-australia-or-going-overseas/your-tax-residency/foreign-and-temporary-residents

"Foreign residents

If you're a foreign resident for tax purposes you must declare on your tax return any income earned in Australia, including:

  • employment income

  • rental income

  • Australian pensions and annuities

  • capital gains on taxable Australian property."

    Now, do you see the words "foreign resident for tax purposes" - that's you. Do you see the words "Australian pensions" - that's you. Do you see the word "must" - that's you.

As usual, no discussion, no debate, no counter links, just trolling and personal attacks.

Now, to be fair, you have been getting away with it, as I have been, but not in relation to receiving a pension, but I have informed members of the proposed changes that will see immigration inform the ATO / Centerink of time inside / outside Australia.

All you can do is personally attack me, and not address the facts.

It's 2026, get with the times.

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

You claimed you had not been on the AAP thread since 2014.

No. I didn't.

11 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Ah, yes, I forgot to reply to that post of yours. Apologies. I was under the impression you were referring to the sub topic about the proposed changes to the current 90 year old tax residency laws that I brought to member's attention in more recent times.

If I have been a member for 12 years, yes, I have been posting for 12 years, however, unlike yourself, and by your own admission, I do not have any "nom de plume." 😂

You mentioned you haven't submitted a tax return for several years. I posted the below link. You will note it's from the ATO.

https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals-and-families/coming-to-australia-or-going-overseas/your-tax-residency/foreign-and-temporary-residents

"Foreign residents

If you're a foreign resident for tax purposes you must declare on your tax return any income earned in Australia, including:

  • employment income

  • rental income

  • Australian pensions and annuities

  • capital gains on taxable Australian property."

    Now, do you see the words "foreign resident for tax purposes" - that's you. Do you see the words "Australian pensions" - that's you. Do you see the word "must" - that's you.

As usual, no discussion, no debate, no counter links, just trolling and personal attacks.

Now, to be fair, you have been getting away with it, as I have been, but not in relation to receiving a pension, but I have informed members of the proposed changes that will see immigration inform the ATO / Centerink of time inside / outside Australia.

All you can do is personally attack me, and not address the facts.

It's 2026, get with the times.

No. I didn't.

1. The Resides Test (The Primary Test)

This is the main test based on "ordinary concepts." If you live in Australia in the usual sense of the word, you are a resident. The ATO doesn't just look at how many days you spend here, but rather your continuity of association with the country. They consider:

  • Intention and purpose: Why are you in Australia? (e.g., for a holiday vs. for a long-term job).

  • Family and social ties: Do you have a spouse or children here? Are you a member of local clubs?

  • Business or employment ties: Is your main source of income or your business located here?

  • Assets and living arrangements: Have you bought a home, signed a long-term lease, or moved your personal belongings here?

2. The Domicile Test

You are an Australian resident if your "domicile" (your permanent home by law) is in Australia, unless the ATO is satisfied that your "permanent place of abode" is outside Australia.

  • Domicile: Usually your place of birth, or a place you have chosen to live in indefinitely.

  • Permanent Place of Abode: This is used to see if you have truly "cut ties." If you move overseas for a short-term contract but keep your Australian home and intend to return, you may still be considered a resident under this test.

he 183-Day Test

This test is generally used for people arriving in Australia. You are considered a resident if you are physically present in Australia for 183 days or more (roughly half a year) during the financial year (July 1 to June 30).

  • The Exception: You won't be considered a resident if you can prove your "usual place of abode" is overseas and you have no intention of taking up residence in Australia.

I meet the criteria of Australian residency on a number of counts. Highlighted FYI.

You consistently misrepresent the purpose of the 183 day rule. It's not there to determine whether Australians are living overseas. It is used to establish whether a non-Australian is liable to pay tax on what they earn while in Australia.

True, Thailand also has a 183 rule. As I demonstrated with my last visa extension, neither the TRD or Immigration seem to give a rat's rectum about it.

There is no evidence the ATO is building a case for pensioners living overseas to be taxed as foreigners. IIRC that was ruled out by a Deputy Commissioner of Taxation, whose statement was posted on one of these threads several years ago. IMO the ATO has far bigger fish to fry.

I can only conclude from your incessant and erroneous postings you are autistic, seek help for your condition.

7 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I meet the criteria of Australian residency on a number of counts. Highlighted FYI.

So do I, but we both will not after the proposed changes are passed into legislation.

7 hours ago, Lacessit said:

You consistently misrepresent the purpose of the 183 day rule. It's not there to determine whether Australians are living overseas. It is used to establish whether a non-Australian is liable to pay tax on what they earn while in Australia.

I am referencing the proposed changes to tax residency, not the current 90 year old laws that have the loopholes that you, and I, and many others, use to avoid paying non resident tax at 30% from $0 to $120,000.

7 hours ago, Lacessit said:

True, Thailand also has a 183 rule. As I demonstrated with my last visa extension, neither the TRD or Immigration seem to give a rat's rectum about it.

Thailand's tax on remitted funds will be the least of Aussie expat problems when the proposed changes are passed. They are irrelevant.

7 hours ago, Lacessit said:

There is no evidence the ATO is building a case for pensioners living overseas to be taxed as foreigners.

I never said they were building a case.

I have said there are no exemptions for pensions / pensioners, and no addition to the non resident tax brackets in the form of a free threshold. The combination of these two means pensioners will be in the mix.

7 hours ago, Lacessit said:

IIRC that was ruled out by a Deputy Commissioner of Taxation, whose statement was posted on one of these threads several years ago.

Can you supply a link to this please?

7 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I can only conclude from your incessant and erroneous postings you are autistic, seek help for your condition.

As usual, the message is outside your comfort zone, so you personally attack me, rather than discuss the proposed changes and some strategies to minimize their impact. It's the ostrich method.

I asked the question some time ago, and no one replied. I'll ask it again.

How does an Aussie expat pensioner intend to remain an Australian resident for tax purposes, thus availing themselves of the tax free threshold, when they have sold up and cut community ties in Australia, live in Thailand full time, and haven't been back for years? It must be noted that the pension is deemed to be an income at law.

Under the proposed changes, the only options I could see was be stung for the 30%, or return to Australia for 46 days a year, as you can still be classified as a resident for tax purposes if residing in Australia between 45 to 183 days.

I would be interested in any "get out of gaol card" you may think you have up your sleeve.

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4 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

So do I, but we both will not after the proposed changes are passed into legislation.

I am referencing the proposed changes to tax residency, not the current 90 year old laws that have the loopholes that you, and I, and many others, use to avoid paying non resident tax at 30% from $0 to $120,000.

Thailand's tax on remitted funds will be the least of Aussie expat problems when the proposed changes are passed. They are irrelevant.

I never said they were building a case.

I have said there are no exemptions for pensions / pensioners, and no addition to the non resident tax brackets in the form of a free threshold. The combination of these two means pensioners will be in the mix.

Can you supply a link to this please?

As usual, the message is outside your comfort zone, so you personally attack me, rather than discuss the proposed changes and some strategies to minimize their impact. It's the ostrich method.

I asked the question some time ago, and no one replied. I'll ask it again.

How does an Aussie expat pensioner intend to remain an Australian resident for tax purposes, thus availing themselves of the tax free threshold, when they have sold up and cut community ties in Australia, live in Thailand full time, and haven't been back for years? It must be noted that the pension is deemed to be an income at law.

Under the proposed changes, the only options I could see was be stung for the 30%, or return to Australia for 46 days a year, as you can still be classified as a resident for tax purposes if residing in Australia between 45 to 183 days.

I would be interested in any "get out of gaol card" you may think you have up your sleeve.

"Proposed changes" The needle is stuck in the record.

I don't intend to waste my time finding the statement by the Deputy Commissioner of Taxation, when you will only ignore it.

My comment on autism is not a personal attack, it is an logical observation based on evidence presented by yourself. 1101 repetitive posts.

Many autistics go through life without recognizing their neurodivergence. Looks like you are one of them.

On 1/16/2026 at 9:10 PM, KhunHeineken said:

You haven't posted on this thread out of embarrassment and shame.

The last time you posted, you declared Article 18 of the Australia / Thailand DTA meant no tax on pensions.

When it was pointed out to you, and not just by myself, that Article 18 relied on Article 19, and Article 19 basically stated the pensions covered by the DTA were "service pensions" and not the aged pension, your reply post was, and I quote, "Forget about Article 19." Yes, just simply forget about Article 19. 😂

That was up there with the Paul Hogan and Medicare Card posts. Too funny.

You were begging me to post by asking me to "come out and play" and because I hadn't for a day or so you proudly posted that must have went away "with my tail between my legs." You were hoping for some type of victory. I remember giving you rope, and more rope, and more rope, and then I posted links showing it clearly only covered service pensions.

It's you who scurried away with your tail between your legs after that, when you learnt Article 18 and Article 19 of the DTA only covers services pensions. Talk about celebrate too early. 🤣

I found your posts to lack any information of substance, but certainly humorous.

Welcome back. 🙂

Did I mention any names, surely you don't really expect me to reply adding fuel to your already extinguished fire, do you.

Ok, I will, how about you read Articles 17, 18 and 19 and truly understand what it says, in particular, 17 with 18 and then show us something from somewhere, other than YouTube posts, or wellness articles ect ect that shows us unequivocally, that they ARE and HAVE been taxing Age Pensions, otherwise give us all a break, because we ALL know about laws and how legislation is made, but rarely enforced, especially with the Age Pension, suffice to say I know half a dozen Ozzie Age Pensioners here as Non Residents, who pay ZERO tax on their Age Pension, and they have been here from 3 to 20 years, so do explain to me how that is, they only lost the subsidies after being out of the country for 6 weeks onwards and any rental assistance they were receiving.

Come on now Einstein, give it your best shot, not all those P weak rebellious and delusional rubbish posts that you keep clutching at, e.g. you will see, its coming, all the fear mongering with no substance, proof is what we want, suffice to say you might interpret the legislation as saying Age Pensioners are to be taxed in the state of residency or issuing country, but what we want to see is evidence that they have actually enforced it.

The above said, I would like to hear from any Age Pensioners living here as Non Residence, do you pay tax on your Age Pension, it might Just add weight to what we all ready know, but will buggerlugs accept it, well we all know the answer to that LoL

On 1/16/2026 at 8:57 PM, KhunHeineken said:

Well, still a pension paycheck, just 30% less, because the loophole for non residents will be closed and it's 30% from $0 to $120,000. 🙂

I couldn't help but notice that you used the word WILL as if to say this is something that will happen in the future when all this time you have said Age Pensions are taxable now, but fail to show us all any evidence of one Age Pensioner paying this tax.

More the fool you are, so do us all a favor and man up or shut up.

On 1/17/2026 at 1:42 AM, KhunHeineken said:

You mentioned you haven't submitted a tax return for several years. I posted the below link. You will note it's from the ATO.

Now there is a reason for that, copy this link, paste it into your URL and fill in the questions, and you will see that one doesn't have to lodge a tax return, nor pay tax on their Age Pension.

https://www.ato.gov.au/single-page-applications/calculatorsandtools?anchor=DINTL#DINTL/questions

Looks like you got yourself in a corner LoL, no doubt you won't accept the facts straight off of the ATO's website. That said, we won't hold out breath.

2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Now there is a reason for that, copy this link, paste it into your URL and fill in the questions, and you will see that one doesn't have to lodge a tax return, nor pay tax on their Age Pension.

https://www.ato.gov.au/single-page-applications/calculatorsandtools?anchor=DINTL#DINTL/questions

Looks like you got yourself in a corner LoL, no doubt you won't accept the facts straight off of the ATO's website. That said, we won't hold out breath.

4MyEgo, it's great to have your humorous posts back. 😂

I did in fact copy and paste you link and filled out the questions in a manner that I thought would reflect most expat pensioners. It came back with, "You have to submit a tax return." Too funny. 🤣

Then I filled out the same questions again, answering differently this time, to try to get "You don't need to submit a tax return" and it expanded in questions about superannuation and other income, to which I answered in a manner I thought most expat retirees on a pension would, by answering, "None of these." It still came back with "You have to submit a tax return." Even more funny. 🤣

I did note the "Australian Resident" was mentioned on the second time I answered the questions, but you also had to meet other criteria like student debt, from memory, so again, I selected "None of these."

So, can you post what your answers were in order that it informed you that you did not have to submit a tax return, because on both occasions I was informed I had to submit a tax return.

Also, you do realize that link is for Australian residents for tax purposes. The game changes when you are a non resident.

Surely, you agree by now that the pension is deemed an income, and the non resident tax brackets start at 30% from $0 to $120,000. The legislation had been posts several times.

3 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

I couldn't help but notice that you used the word WILL as if to say this is something that will happen in the future when all this time you have said Age Pensions are taxable now, but fail to show us all any evidence of one Age Pensioner paying this tax.

More the fool you are, so do us all a favor and man up or shut up.

I have openly admitted, on several occasions, I do not pay non resident tax, when I should be, and that's due to the loopholes in the current 90 year old tax residency laws. I have friends here in similar situations.

From memory, member Lanceit is on part pension. He's never paid non resident tax on the income he generates in Australia, despite being a non resident for tax purposes.

This is the very reason the proposed changes to tax residency WILL eventually be passed. Currently ANYONE can tell the ATO they have every intention of returning to live in Australia. This is "the long holiday" loophole. 🙂 Of course it helps if you have maintained a domicile in Australia, continue to pay some utility bills, club memberships etc, as I have.

In order to close that loophole, whether individuals are wealthy, or not, the proposed changes will see Australian tax residency law change to a physical presence and time based model, similar to Thailand and many other countries.

Labor and Liberal know the currently 90 year old laws are no longer fit for purpose. The proposed changes WILL be passed into legislation with bipartisan support. Only a matter of time.

So, question for you. How do you proposed to remain an Australian resident for tax purposes, in order to avail yourself of the tax free threshold, when you live in Thailand full time, and Australian immigration know you have been outside of Australia for more than 183 days in the year?

Do you think the immigration data base will not inform the ATO and Centerlink? Immigration already informs Centerlink when a pensioner is outside of Australia for 6 weeks, thus their supplements are cut off. We have many first hand accounts of this from members many pages back in the thread.

It's only a small tweak for a computer programmer to have Centerlink withhold 30% of one's pension because they have been outside of Australia for 183 days in the year, in a similar way they do it now for 6 weeks out of the country with the supplements.

3 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Ok, I will, how about you read Articles 17, 18 and 19 and truly understand what it says, in particular, 17 with 18 and then show us something from somewhere, other than YouTube posts, or wellness articles ect ect

Yawn.

Posted many links on it before. You just simply chose to ignore the content in them, despite the links being from accountants, the ATO, government websites, financial planners etc etc.

Here's a quick couple from the ATO Community Forum. Note, the people replying to the questions work for the ATO.

https://community.ato.gov.au/s/question/a0J9s0000002ngFEAQ/p00172380

Now, if I am wrong, that makes the ATO staff member also wrong. Given that the staff member in the above link could be wrong, here's another on from the first page of a Google search.

https://community.ato.gov.au/s/question/a0J9s000000O2y4/p00197245

So, the above answers from two staff members corroborate each other, so now the chances of misinformation / inaccurate information decrease. This pattern went on and on the more and more links and youtube videos I posted. Basically, the chances of all of these people people wrong, thus my information being wrong, became slim.

So, 4MyEgo, are these two staff members of the ATO wrong? If so, why are they wrong, and can YOU post some credible links to counter their information?

3 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

we ALL know about laws and how legislation is made, but rarely enforced, especially with the Age Pension,

And all I have ever suggested is that lack of enforcement will change once the proposed changes to tax residency have passed into legislation. Computer data bases will do the heavy lifting.

3 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

I know half a dozen Ozzie Age Pensioners here as Non Residents, who pay ZERO tax on their Age Pension, and they have been here from 3 to 20 years, so do explain to me how that is, they only lost the subsidies after being out of the country for 6 weeks onwards and any rental assistance they were receiving.

Answered in another post.

I live in Thailand and have never paid a cent in non resident tax, despite the fact that I should. It's the current 90 year old laws that poses a real problem for the ATO to enforce, so they don't, except for high profile cases, but please spare me the "small fish" BS because computer data base does care. If they don't care about small fish, why cut off supplements after 6 weeks?

It's all set to change when Australia moves to a physical presence and time based tax residency model.

4 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Come on now Einstein, give it your best shot, not all those P weak rebellious and delusional rubbish posts that you keep clutching at, e.g. you will see, its coming, all the fear mongering with no substance, proof is what we want, suffice to say you might interpret the legislation as saying Age Pensioners are to be taxed in the state of residency or issuing country, but what we want to see is evidence that they have actually enforced it.

I posted several times that Liberal proposed the changes. Labor won government and many members on here cheered thinking Albo will bin them. Albo progressed them to the consultation stage, which has since ended. So what does that tell you? The proposed changes have bipartisan support, so it's only a matter of time before they are passed into legislation by either Labor or Liberal.

That said, hypothetically, if they are announced in the May 2026 budget, I would think they would not start until July 2027. We can all continue to enjoy the loopholes of the old legislation, but it will change.

4 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

The above said, I would like to hear from any Age Pensioners living here as Non Residence, do you pay tax on your Age Pension, it might Just add weight to what we all ready know, but will buggerlugs accept it, well we all know the answer to that LoL

I've already admitted I don't pay non resident tax when I should be. Thus, I COMPLETELY accept pensioners don't pay it. While we can all get away with it, why would we pay non resident tax rates?

The point I've always made is, in the future, we will not be able to get away with it. The whole idea of the proposed changes is all about enforcement.

Are the below facts? If not, which one/s do you disagree with, and why? (please post link/s to support your view) and if they are facts, how do you propose to either remain an Australian resident for tax purposes when living in Thailand full time, OR, avoid / evade the 30% non resident tax when the government knows you have been outside of Australia for 163 days, and the government is the one that pays the pension?

1) The pension is deemed an income at law.

2) Outside of Australia for 183 days means non resident for tax purposes. Proven by immigration records.

3) Non resident tax is 30% from $0 to $120,000.

4) There are no exemptions in the proposed changes for pensions / pensioners.

5) There's no tax free threshold in the non resident tax brackets.

On 1/17/2026 at 2:53 PM, Lacessit said:

I don't intend to waste my time finding the statement by the Deputy Commissioner of Taxation, when you will only ignore it.

Will you ignore the answers from the staff members from the ATO in the links I have posted to another member?

On 1/17/2026 at 2:53 PM, Lacessit said:

My comment on autism is not a personal attack, it is an logical observation based on evidence presented by yourself.

That's called gaslighting Lacessit. It might have an impact on teenagers, but water off a duck's back to me.

On 1/17/2026 at 2:53 PM, Lacessit said:

Many autistics go through life without recognizing their neurodivergence. Looks like you are one of them.

I would say it's you with the mental health issues.

I would say you are in denial.

https://www.verywellmind.com/denial-as-a-defense-mechanism-5114461

"Denial is a type of defense mechanism that involves ignoring the reality of a situation to avoid anxiety. Defense mechanisms are strategies that people use to cope with distressing feelings. In the case of denial, it can involve not acknowledging reality or denying the consequences of that reality."

I simply call it "The Osrtrich Effect" 🤣

Here's a newer post from the ATO Community forum. Dated August 2025.

https://community.ato.gov.au/s/question/a0JRF000003iqXR/p00392548

Once again, it corroborates the information from the other two ATO staff members in the links recently posted.

For me, this girl explains it perfectly. She answers many of the things that have been debated on this thread, and also mentions the proposed changes.

Her example of "John" in her video would be the circumstances of a high percentage of Aussie expat pensioners here.

@4MyEgo and @Lacessit

Is she wrong?

Is she inaccurate?

Is it fake news?

Is she a scammer?

Is she a "bimbo?"

Is she scaremongering?

Is she incompetent?

Some of the comments after her video are interesting.

I've got him on ignore, but keep getting heaps of "You've chosen to ignore" posts.

Someone tell me he's not on the spectrum.

2 hours ago, Will27 said:

I've got him on ignore, but keep getting heaps of "You've chosen to ignore" posts.

Someone tell me he's not on the spectrum.

I see you are looking to the herd mentality to give you positive reenforcement. 😂

I've got you on "Follow." Should be interesting. 🤣

31 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

I see you are looking to the herd mentality to give you positive reenforcement. 😂

I've got you on "Follow." Should be interesting. 🤣

Are you capable of making a constructive post without using insults?

1 hour ago, scottiejohn said:

Are you capable of making a constructive post without using insults?

You have the links with the legislation.

How about you comment on them and we'll go from there. Until then, you are just a troll.

6 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Will you ignore the answers from the staff members from the ATO in the links I have posted to another member?

That's called gaslighting Lacessit. It might have an impact on teenagers, but water off a duck's back to me.

I would say it's you with the mental health issues.

I would say you are in denial.

https://www.verywellmind.com/denial-as-a-defense-mechanism-5114461

"Denial is a type of defense mechanism that involves ignoring the reality of a situation to avoid anxiety. Defense mechanisms are strategies that people use to cope with distressing feelings. In the case of denial, it can involve not acknowledging reality or denying the consequences of that reality."

I simply call it "The Osrtrich Effect" 🤣

Yawn. No more oxygen for you.

lost-places-3694022.jpgCrikey, the boy is in overdrive! Seems the report function is down at the moment?

On 1/19/2026 at 6:13 PM, KhunHeineken said:

4MyEgo, it's great to have your humorous posts back. 😂

I did in fact copy and paste you link and filled out the questions in a manner that I thought would reflect most expat pensioners. It came back with, "You have to submit a tax return." Too funny. 🤣

Then I filled out the same questions again, answering differently this time, to try to get "You don't need to submit a tax return" and it expanded in questions about superannuation and other income, to which I answered in a manner I thought most expat retirees on a pension would, by answering, "None of these." It still came back with "You have to submit a tax return." Even more funny. 🤣

I did note the "Australian Resident" was mentioned on the second time I answered the questions, but you also had to meet other criteria like student debt, from memory, so again, I selected "None of these."

So, can you post what your answers were in order that it informed you that you did not have to submit a tax return, because on both occasions I was informed I had to submit a tax return.

Also, you do realize that link is for Australian residents for tax purposes. The game changes when you are a non resident.

Surely, you agree by now that the pension is deemed an income, and the non resident tax brackets start at 30% from $0 to $120,000. The legislation had been posts several times.

  1. My reply was not intended to be taken as humorous.

2. I completed the form on the website as single with no, no and no, and none of the above for all other questions and answered no to:

Did all of the following circumstances apply to you in the 2024-25 income year? *

See below:

You do not need to lodge a tax return

You do not have to lodge a tax return for the 2024-25 income year.

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If you don't have a myGov account or your myGov account is not linked to the ATO, go to myGov and linking to the ATO.opens in a new window Link opens in new window

If you received franking credits you may be eligible to claim a refund of franking credits. Go to, how to claim a refund of your franking credits.opens in a new window Link opens in new window

3. Most guys over here on the age pension when they applied said they are not married because they know that the pension could be less, that said, I even completed the form as married, and it came back that I am not required to lodge a tax return, now even a baby in dippers knows that if you aren't required to lodge a tax return, then you are not required to pay tax.

I have provided the link, you chose to fill it in as you wanted to get the results you wanted, you do not speak for the majority of aged pensioners here, suffice to say, as far as the ATO website says, they do not have to pay tax and that is enough for me and I am sure for them, it's the end of the story, if you choose to carry on with your scaremongering, I personally won't provide you with anymore oxygen, which is what you need to carry on with your delirium.

I am 110% certain that everyone on this forum, who has no other income, single or married and is on the age pension is fully aware that they do are not required to lodge a tax return which means they are not required to pay tax, regardless whether they are a resident or a non-resident, except for you.

Like I have always said, you can lead the donkey to water, but you can't force it to drink, so enjoy your dehydration.

Another one would be; why would a bee try to convince a fly that honey tastes better than S....

I have done my part on proving that if you are single or married, resident or non-resident, and have no other income, you do not have to lodge a tax return and therefore do not have to pay tax as an aged pensioner.

Peace out.

On 1/19/2026 at 7:53 PM, KhunHeineken said:

Is she wrong?

Is she inaccurate?

Is it fake news?

Is she a scammer?

Is she a "bimbo?"

Is she scaremongering?

Is she incompetent?

She hit the nail on the head in her video at 6.20 to 6.30, i.e. if your new country doesn't tax pensions, you could end up paying nothing at all.

Now as far as I know, Thailand doesn't tax foreign pensions, e.g. again, I don't know any age pensioner that pays tax on their age pension here in Thailand. I am surprised you let that one slip conveniently, LoL

1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:

She hit the nail on the head in her video at 6.20 to 6.30, i.e. if your new country doesn't tax pensions, you could end up paying nothing at all.

Oh, dear. You still believe the aged pension is covered under Articles 18 and 19 of the Australia / Thailand DTA. It's not. Australia has primary taxing rights on the aged pension. We've been through this.

1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:

Now as far as I know, Thailand doesn't tax foreign pensions, e.g. again, I don't know any age pensioner that pays tax on their age pension here in Thailand. I am surprised you let that one slip conveniently, LoL

Once again, it's Australia that will tax the aged pension because the aged pension is deemed an income, and the non resident tax brackets start at 30% for $0 to $120,000. Thai taxation is the least of an Aussie pensioner's problems.

As I have posted before, I don't pay non resident tax, and I should be. Aussie pensioners use the same loopholes.

Why do you think the current loopholes will last forever, despite legislation being proposed to close them?

23 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

If only!

Yes, if only we could all be Australian residents for tax purposes, whilst living in Thailand full time. 🤣

12 hours ago, Olmate said:

lost-places-3694022.jpgCrikey, the boy is in overdrive! Seems the report function is down at the moment?

Not down. I would say the Mods put you on their "Ignore" list in relation to my posts. 🤣

2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:
  1. My reply was not intended to be taken as humorous.

2. I completed the form on the website as single with no, no and no, and none of the above for all other questions and answered no to:

Did all of the following circumstances apply to you in the 2024-25 income year? *

  • You were a foreign resident for tax purposes (full or part year)

  • you had a Higher Education Loan Program, VET Student Loan or Australian Apprenticeship Support Loan(Opens help) debt, and

  • your worldwide incomeopens in a new window Link opens in new window was above $13,608 and it all came back that I do not have to pay tax.

See below:

You do not need to lodge a tax return

You do not have to lodge a tax return for the 2024-25 income year.

You should submit a completed non-lodgment advice to the ATO. To access this online service you need a myGov account linked to the ATO.

If you already have a myGov account linked to the ATO, you can simply log on to complete your non-lodgment advice.opens in a new window Link opens in new window

If you don't have a myGov account or your myGov account is not linked to the ATO, go to myGov and linking to the ATO.opens in a new window Link opens in new window

If you received franking credits you may be eligible to claim a refund of franking credits. Go to, how to claim a refund of your franking credits.opens in a new window Link opens in new window

3. Most guys over here on the age pension when they applied said they are not married because they know that the pension could be less, that said, I even completed the form as married, and it came back that I am not required to lodge a tax return, now even a baby in dippers knows that if you aren't required to lodge a tax return, then you are not required to pay tax.

I have provided the link, you chose to fill it in as you wanted to get the results you wanted, you do not speak for the majority of aged pensioners here, suffice to say, as far as the ATO website says, they do not have to pay tax and that is enough for me and I am sure for them, it's the end of the story, if you choose to carry on with your scaremongering, I personally won't provide you with anymore oxygen, which is what you need to carry on with your delirium.

I am 110% certain that everyone on this forum, who has no other income, single or married and is on the age pension is fully aware that they do are not required to lodge a tax return which means they are not required to pay tax, regardless whether they are a resident or a non-resident, except for you.

Like I have always said, you can lead the donkey to water, but you can't force it to drink, so enjoy your dehydration.

Another one would be; why would a bee try to convince a fly that honey tastes better than S....

I have done my part on proving that if you are single or married, resident or non-resident, and have no other income, you do not have to lodge a tax return and therefore do not have to pay tax as an aged pensioner.

Peace out.

" Even a baby in diapers knows that if you are not required to lodge a tax return, you don't pay tax". Exactly.

Why would the ATO allow people to opt out of lodging a tax return, if they believed there was still tax to be collected?

8 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

" Even a baby in diapers knows that if you are not required to lodge a tax return, you don't pay tax". Exactly.

Posted again for the ostriches. 🤣

https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals-and-families/coming-to-australia-or-going-overseas/your-tax-residency/foreign-and-temporary-residents

"Foreign residents

If you're a foreign resident for tax purposes you must declare on your tax return any income earned in Australia, including:

  • employment income

  • rental income

  • Australian pensions and annuities

  • capital gains on taxable Australian property."

18 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Why would the ATO allow people to opt out of lodging a tax return, if they believed there was still tax to be collected?

You added this as an edit, otherwise I would have replied to it in the same post.

The answer to your question is simple, and one I have answered many times before, yet you refuse to even consider the proposed changes to legislation.

The current laws are 90 years old and based on "intent" and "domicile." The proposed changes do away with intent and domicile and are based on a physical presence and time based model.

You already have the link from the ATO showing you that as a non resident for tax purposes, and as someone who receives a pension, you need to submit a tax return. You are still thinking like you live in Australia. You don't. You live in Thailand, full time, and are a non resident for tax purposes, and that's a different game to living in Australia.

Now, we have all got away with paying non resident tax because of intent and domicile. That will change to outside of Australia for 183 days = non resident for tax purposes. No reviews. No appeals. Black and White. Non resident for tax purposes. This will happen to EVERY Aussie living overseas because immigration knows it, and will disseminate this to other government agencies. Think, outside Australia 6 weeks, lose pension supplements.

So, once again, given the aged pension is deemed an income, and you are living in Thailand full time, how can you possibly argue you are still a tax resident of Australia, thus availing yourself of the tax free threshold, and not paying non resident tax rates?

It's not so much that they have changed the law, it's about them changing their ability to enforce the law.

As a side note, I have just read how quick, and how harsh Albo has pushed through gun laws in Australia. It just shows how quick things can change, and how they can have a big impact on average Australians.

On 1/19/2026 at 11:48 AM, 4MyEgo said:

Now there is a reason for that, copy this link, paste it into your URL and fill in the questions, and you will see that one doesn't have to lodge a tax return, nor pay tax on their Age Pension.

https://www.ato.gov.au/single-page-applications/calculatorsandtools?anchor=DINTL#DINTL/questions

Residency issues aside, so just talking about totally legit tax residents, you should just clarify here that the age pension certainly is taxable if you’re on a part pension and have sufficient other income. There is a tax offset to reduce this, but I don’t even receive any of that as my total income is too high, only just enough to get me a small part age pension.

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