hi'

I was rebuiling a site of mine ... and found a text quite interesting, I have it for quite long time, but never uploaded it ... wonder why .. I'll do so soon

here it is :

" I wanted milk, they gave me a bottle,

I wanted parents, they gave me a toy,

I wanted to chat, they gave me a tv,

I wanted to think, they filled me up with knowledge,

I wanted to learn, they gave me a certificate,

I wanted to be free, they gave me discipline,

I wanted love, they gave me morals,

I wanted a profession, they gave me a job,

I wanted happiness, they gave me money,

I wanted freedom, they gave me a car,

I wanted to give a sens to my life,

they made me succeed in my career,

I wanted hope, they gave me fear,

I wanted to evoluate, they took pity on me,

I wanted to LIVE ... "

this is what kids could think about education ...

it gave me some thinking time, as my girl now goes to a french school ...

what do you think about values that they teach to our kids, and what do you think of

the so called "values" they get from school, parents, life ?

I personnally think that most of them just stick to a kinda sick society ... IMHO

francois

I believe it is up to us, as parents, to help our children to find their own path, to build their own set of values and system of beliefs. We must give them our time, our love and our understanding, especially if they make mistakes.

Keep them away from TV.

hi'

Keep them away from TV.

this is for sure ...

but how to do when they like to watch cartoon from either dvd or vcd?

my little one just love tom & jerry

but I prefer that she ask for this, rather than get stuck in front of the screen before school,

one addicted to screen in the family is enough

francois

Keep them away from TV.

Discovery, National Geographic, Animal Planet, etc. are excellent tools for education. However, TV viewing time should be monitored before excessive habits set in long-term.

I'd say the bulk of responsibility for installing moral awareness within children should fall upon parents. However, a child's peers, especially during the teens, have a prominent influence in shaping their attitude and demeanor. Parents should pay close attention to their child's friends and do their best to steer them away from negative influences.

Teachers have the ability and time to lead their students down a moral path, however their influence upon their students is measured upon the strength of the teacher-student bond and by the respect of the student. How many of us had teachers in the past who we didn't respect or like? Anything taught by these teachers fell on deaf ears. But, I remember those teachers who I admired and respected and I believe they played a major role in shaping who I am today.

So parents have a tall order: lay the moral foundation, become involved with their child's life in all areas, monitor their peers, listen and communicate openly, encourage respect towards adults (especially for teachers) and give their child some space to learn a few things on their own.

I believe it is up to us, as parents, to help our children to find their own path, to build their own set of values and system of beliefs. We must give them our time, our love and our understanding, especially if they make mistakes.

I agree.

Time and attention are important,

the guy in the TV is a poor substitute.

The real breakdown in raising children in this day and age, especially in western,

industrialized countries, is that the system has people working so hard and so much just to pay bills, rent and keep food on the table. Mothers and fathers both work so there isn't much time to spend with their kids. Even the wealthy seem to think both parents must work, and a nanny is employed to raise their children for them. By the time the children are 18 and off to college, they hardly even know who their parents are.

Keep them away from TV.

Yeah, that'll work. Keep 'em away from that Internet stuff too!

Keep them away from TV.

Yeah, that'll work. Keep 'em away from that Internet stuff too!

my english teacher at school never had a tv at home with 3 kids.

only a radio and they would listen to radio 4 etc.

well, the kids are all grown up now.

the 2 boys turned out alright but the daughter is a druggie who sleeps around the town.

but have to agree tv does corrupt the mind.

Keep them away from TV.

Yeah, that'll work. Keep 'em away from that Internet stuff too!

my english teacher at school never had a tv at home with 3 kids.

only a radio and they would listen to radio 4 etc.

well, the kids are all grown up now.

the 2 boys turned out alright but the daughter is a druggie who sleeps around the town.

but have to agree tv does corrupt the mind.

For sure if all they watch is MTV or VH1. As been said, there's a lot of quality stuff out there like Discovery, History, Biography and A&E so you've got to monitor their viewing. It's getting harder all the time, tho. For example, the last Superbowl 1/2 time show where Janet Jackson's breast was exposed to the world on prime-time TV went right over the top.

Just my Swedish two öre:

Janet Jackson's boob hardly causes as much corruption as the brainless violent B-movies that are broadcast 24/7, especially those US cheap-donkey productions that seem to be produced especially with developing countries and undereducated people in mind.

Seriously BoonMee, do you really think it hurts a child more to see a little tittie than to see how an obsessed psychopath killer kidnaps children, stalks happy families and slash people's throats? I hope I misinterpret you.

Violence is scary. A boob is a boob is a boob is a boob, and 'most all ladies have them, a fact that should be apparent and natural to any kid whose mother was kind enough to breastfeed them. Mindless killings and the endless repetitions of the "just revenge" theme however, at least in my book, falls under the category "irrational, abnormal and undesirable behaviour".

Skål!

As far as violence on TV goes, Thailand is right up there as a top contender.

I don't know how many times I have seen a husband slap his wife or mia noi, or entrails falling out of a flying head .

Keep them away from TV.

Yeah, that'll work. Keep 'em away from that Internet stuff too!

my english teacher at school never had a tv at home with 3 kids.

only a radio and they would listen to radio 4 etc.

well, the kids are all grown up now.

the 2 boys turned out alright but the daughter is a druggie who sleeps around the town.

but have to agree tv does corrupt the mind.

For sure if all they watch is MTV or VH1. As been said, there's a lot of quality stuff out there like Discovery, History, Biography and A&E so you've got to monitor their viewing. It's getting harder all the time, tho. For example, the last Superbowl 1/2 time show where Janet Jackson's breast was exposed to the world on prime-time TV went right over the top.

What's so wrong with a nipple? This is hilarious...there's a lot more unnatural things in this world to censor. Nudity is natural. Sometimes, America tends to get confused on what is appropriate for veiwing and what is not. Many countries allow nudity openly within their program scheduling. Nudity is not a social problem. The uproar that Janet's boobie caused is a farce and shows how hypocritical American conservatives are.

Guns are good, boobies bad.

I like looking a nipples as much as the next guy (on a woman) but the controversey stemmed from the time of day it was flashed into homes across America (w/it's Puritan values) and with little kids watching.

Admittedly, it is a contradiction with all the violent stuff on the tube these days and an innocuous breast being displayed. The problem arose due to the sensationalism of it's display. Not done in good taste.

" I wanted milk, they gave me a bottle,

  I wanted parents, they gave me a toy,

  I wanted to chat, they gave me a tv,

  I wanted to think, they filled me up with knowledge,

  I wanted to learn, they gave me a certificate,

  I wanted to be free, they gave me discipline,

  I wanted love, they gave me morals,

  I wanted a profession, they gave me a job,

  I wanted happiness, they gave me money,

  I wanted freedom, they gave me a car,

  I wanted to give a sens to my life,

  they made me succeed in my career,

  I wanted hope, they gave me fear,

  I wanted to evoluate, they took pity on me,

I wanted a life, they gave me nothing.

then....... I found Thailand!

having a seven-year-old Thai-educated daughter, I am not at all happy with the Thai system of education. The classes are fairly large where my daughter is, huge in other schools. This means that there is very little personal attention.

Sometimes that can be a good thing - in UK I was in a boys-only school and was sat in the front row for most of my schooling, 'cos when I started a new year and got a seat at the back, the first teacher in would pull me to the front again. I wonder why? Reputation can be a BAAAAAD thing.

But back to Thai schools - because of the size of the classes, most learning is by rote. This does not encourage an enquiring mind. Probably a reason that many SE Asian countries have docile populations. The curriculum seems outdated, but this may just be my understanding of it. I pay for English lessons and computer lessons, even for a seven-year-old. I also talk to her almost entirely in English, to encourage her understanding that people communicate in many different tongues. But I find it hard to teach her any English, as I may cut across what she is learning at school.

I could send her to an 'international' school, but feel that this could distance her from all her friends (we live in a shop-house in a Thai district) and this is as important as certificates.

My main task is to get her to ask questions, then question the answers, then find out for herself what the real answers could be. In all matters. Her mother doesn't understand this very well, accepting as given anything she is told by her 'superiors' such as politicians, lawyers and even her friends. I, on the other hand, do not even believe it when I can touch it.

Culture clash - which way do I encourage my daughter to go? She will probably have to make her life here in Thailand, so the best I can think is that she should try to become one of the 'superiors'.

hi'

I wanted a life, they gave me nothing.

then....... I found Thailand!

that's a way to go on into a nice life as they never think about

when tired of their world ... we go away

nice answer

cheers

francois

having a seven-year-old Thai-educated daughter, I am not at all happy with the Thai system of education. The classes are fairly large where my daughter is, huge in other schools. This means that there is very little personal attention.

Sometimes that can be a good thing - in UK I was in a boys-only school and was sat in the front row for most of my schooling, 'cos when I started a new year and got a seat at the back, the first teacher in would pull me to the front again. I wonder why? Reputation can be a BAAAAAD thing.

But back to Thai schools - because of the size of the classes, most learning is by rote. This does not encourage an enquiring mind. Probably a reason that many SE Asian countries have docile populations. The curriculum seems outdated, but this may just be my understanding of it. I pay for English lessons and computer lessons, even for a seven-year-old. I also talk to her almost entirely in English, to encourage her understanding that people communicate in many different tongues. But I find it hard to teach her any English, as I may cut across what she is learning at school.

I could send her to an 'international' school, but feel that this could distance her from all her friends (we live in a shop-house in a Thai district) and this is as important as certificates.

My main task is to get her to ask questions, then question the answers, then find out for herself what the real answers could be. In all matters. Her mother doesn't understand this very well, accepting as given anything she is told by her 'superiors' such as politicians, lawyers and even her friends. I, on the other hand, do not even believe it when I can touch it.

Culture clash - which way do I encourage my daughter to go? She will probably have to make her life here in Thailand, so the best I can think is that she should try to become one of the 'superiors'.

Thai Education, I'm afraid it is something of an oxymoron.

In most cases here, the "Education" of the nation's young is designed to brainwash them into toeing the line. The elder and better is ALWAYS right. To question such is tantamount to criminality and definitely deserving of punishment.

My personal belief is that we all owe it to our children to give them the very best EDUCATION that we can afford. (Note, EDUCATION, not Brainwashing.) At the end of the day, to quote from Theodore Roosevelt; A man who has never gone to school may steal from a freight car; but if he has an education, he may steal the whole railroad.

A couple of other educational quotes from thinkers much deeper than I:

Education, n. That which discloses to the wise and disguises from the foolish their lack of understanding. ~Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

There is only one Education, and it has only one goal: the freedom of the mind. Anything that needs an adjective, be it civics education, or socialist education, or Christian education, or whatever-you-like education, is not education, and it has some different goal. The very existence of modified "educations" is testimony to the fact that their proponents cannot bring about what they want in a mind that is free. An "education" that cannot do its work in a free mind, and so must "teach" by homily and precept in the service of these feelings and attitudes and beliefs rather than those, is pure and unmistakable tyranny. ~Richard Mitchell, The Underground Grammarian, September 1982

hi'

so, as I guessed we all know that it's up to us parents to have our children openminded,

education, as "they" are not doing what we are expecting "them" to do for our kids ...

same for all problems that our kid can encounter in life, we are here for this, no one else.

"they", the common moral is not a common sens, it has been learned and so re-deliver

to any that ask for ...

IMHO ... I'll keep my daughter as far as I can from all these "well-thinkers" ...

I would like that she get a life, and a free mind, feeling free to do what she would be pleased to do with her life and get happy with it

cheers

francois

Further to my above post. Some friends have recently removed their children from a local International school run by Christian missionaries.

The reason: The children were coming home and saying things like " I don't want to go and play with him any more, he's not Christian." Brainwashing to the extreme. I applaud the parents for acting as they did.

having a seven-year-old Thai-educated daughter, I am not at all happy with the Thai system of education. The classes are fairly large where my daughter is, huge in other schools. This means that there is very little personal attention.

Sometimes that can be a good thing - in UK I was in a boys-only school and was sat in the front row for most of my schooling, 'cos when I started a new year and got a seat at the back, the first teacher in would pull me to the front again. I wonder why? Reputation can be a BAAAAAD thing.

But back to Thai schools - because of the size of the classes, most learning is by rote. This does not encourage an enquiring mind. Probably a reason that many SE Asian countries have docile populations. The curriculum seems outdated, but this may just be my understanding of it. I pay for English lessons and computer lessons, even for a seven-year-old. I also talk to her almost entirely in English, to encourage her understanding that people communicate in many different tongues. But I find it hard to teach her any English, as I may cut across what she is learning at school.

I could send her to an 'international' school, but feel that this could distance her from all her friends (we live in a shop-house in a Thai district) and this is as important as certificates.

My main task is to get her to ask questions, then question the answers, then find out for herself what the real answers could be. In all matters. Her mother doesn't understand this very well, accepting as given anything she is told by her 'superiors' such as politicians, lawyers and even her friends. I, on the other hand, do not even believe it when I can touch it.

Culture clash - which way do I encourage my daughter to go? She will probably have to make her life here in Thailand, so the best I can think is that she should try to become one of the 'superiors'.

I would say investigate the private and bilingual schools. Try and meet the teachers at this school who would teach your daughter. I would suggest a semi-interview with these teachers. Ask them about their background, education, teaching philosphy, etc. As I am a teacher, I have met a few farang parents who have done this. These are the parents who are genuinely concerned about the best interests of their children. Getting to know the teachers will give you piece of mind. Good luck.

what bothers me about thai schools is that they have no provision for dealing with cognitive disorders like dyslecsia (sp?). My wife's daughter is bright but does badly in school and exhibits all the symptoms. It's discouraging to think that all we can do for her is to insure that she doesn't screw up and fall into a bad marriage.

what bothers me about thai schools is that they have no provision for dealing with cognitive disorders like dyslecsia (sp?). My wife's daughter is bright but does badly in school and exhibits all the symptoms. It's discouraging to think that all we can do for her is to insure that she doesn't screw up and fall into a bad marriage.

I agree with you. Most schools are likely unprepared for special need students. I'm not really sure what the options are for such cases. The likelihood of finding a teacher trained in such areas is probably slim to none. Perhaps, visit all the schools in the area, and ask them if they have any special education options that would be suitable for your wife's daughter. I'm not really sure what to do in such cases. Maybe you should post a thread in the Teaching forum. Surely, someone has found a solution for this problem. Good luck.

A boob is a boob is a boob is a boob,

Boob, I mean Bump.

Well it was Suegha's idea

Moss

Well it was Suegha's idea

What was ?

Tell ya what, let's all go back into the archives and bump a random thread!

This was,

Moss

Tell ya what, let's all go back into the archives and bump a random thread!

This was,

Moss

Ahhh, i see

I didn't issue it as an order! However, we can and should voice our concerns with the education of our children. So nice bump moss.

I didn't issue it as an order! However, we can and should voice our concerns with the education of our children. So nice bump moss.

As you can tell, it is something in my fore most thoughts at present, it just seemed a good point to bring up and you gave me an alibi

Moss

I didn't issue it as an order! However, we can and should voice our concerns with the education of our children. So nice bump moss.

As you can tell, it is something in my fore most thoughts at present, it just seemed a good point to bring up and you gave me an alibi

Moss

You're welcome!