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Sorry, I'm not used to how this works and I hadn't finished writing when it just decided to send:

I hardly think going to a place once makes me an associate but then whatever!

In my "Article" as you put it, What was inaccurate?

Was it inaccurate that I've personally not been kept awake by their music?

What exactly was it that I wrote that was inaccurate?

Now this IS an interesting one:

I'm very sad that you feel threatened by a fellow neighbour?

I'm clearly stating a fact that although a lot of you seem to think

that place is owned by a "couple of louts", MY Thai friends would not

introduce me to a couple of louts as their brother or sister!

The owners don't even know where I live so why would they be making all this up?

I'm not condoning loud all night events keeping up the neighbourhood but

i'm also not an ignorant biggot either

I am NOT taking sides, i'm simply letting you know what I've heard first hand and informing my fellow neighbours of the Gekko's intentions up here

A lot of what is being written on here is just hearsay and insults.

The true fact is they have had 2 or 3 parties that were quite loud that i've heard

and admittedly I was at one of those (which was probably the loudest but hard to gage when actually in the place) In six months I don't see that as a reason for all this ranting and raving. If the noise levels and frequency of these parties increased, I would gladly be the one to bite the bullet and go over and complain but up til now it hasn't has it?

As for the pooing and peeing remarks, is this where this forum is leading?

Sitting up on a Saturday night till the early hours on this site is probably the reason you don't actually know what's really going on around you.

Go and speak to the owners if you have these concerns?

They seem like really nice people and I can see they have a lot of good friends on this island too. I didn't see one tourist in the place the other night. It was a nice mixture of cool looking expats and Thais.

Hardly the result of being a couple of yobs that were about to poo in your garden

Some nights my partner and I just fancy getting out of the house for a bit without

going down into Hollid'yville. I'm going to try it out on a normal evening and see what the vibe's like. Shame they're not doing food yet though!

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Not sure why you decided to single out my post, but yes, when there are inadequate toilet facilities for large parties it is extremely unpleasant for one's neighbors. An issue I have never seen anyone putting a party on address.

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one good reason to be careful where you by your property,at least renting you can move away..........this is thailand!

No safeguards,no where to complain too,its the price of living here.I live quite near and some nights can here the all nighter on the lake,so can imagine what it will be like at the monkey park.

i am sure if u get a good well contected lawyer you could close it down or at least make loads of problems. you are right this is thailand. there is more than 1 way to cook an egg

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Not sure why you decided to single out my post, but yes, when there are inadequate toilet facilities for large parties it is extremely unpleasant for one's neighbors. An issue I have never seen anyone putting a party on address.

dumping of sewage is illegal. you have to call the Tesabaan truck to remove all the crap. not too expensive.

speaking of tesabaan. the tessabaan police have been around alot recently shutting down shops without liscences and stuff. they go round in a sontail. then swam shops.

is there an economic crisis at the moment :)

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as the op maybe people are wondering why i have stayed out of the thread, well the PM below which i received shortly after starting the thread is probably the main reason, whilst i was not scared of the clear message it was meant to send it did make me think a few crazy things which really would not solve to much, the other reason was wait and see to see how much of a problem it is. desepite what the PM says i can hear the music but not enough to bother me, plus we had a meeting of the locals in the villas here with the landlord and told him we would all be gone if the noise was a problem, since we are all long stayers he promised us it would not be a problem and so far it is not.

as for the place being for Villa owners and friends only, why have a pick up driving around samui adverdising the last gig. personally i do not understand why any business man would send an e mail out like this, you really do come across as a bunch of thugs but i am prity sure you are not but either way in the present climate i do not think you have a snow ball in hells chance of the project working out so maybe the guys in Dubai will have something else to be cheesed off about

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as the op maybe people are wondering why i have stayed out of the thread, well the PM below which i received shortly after starting the thread is probably the main reason, whilst i was not scared of the clear message it was meant to send it did make me think a few crazy things which really would not solve to much, the other reason was wait and see to see how much of a problem it is. desepite what the PM says i can hear the music but not enough to bother me, plus we had a meeting of the locals in the villas here with the landlord and told him we would all be gone if the noise was a problem, since we are all long stayers he promised us it would not be a problem and so far it is not.

as for the place being for Villa owners and friends only, why have a pick up driving around samui adverdising the last gig. personally i do not understand why any business man would send an e mail out like this, you really do come across as a bunch of thugs but i am prity sure you are not but either way in the present climate i do not think you have a snow ball in hells chance of the project working out so maybe the guys in Dubai will have something else to be cheesed off about

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Many thanks for that brave post. Very interesting and very useful. A fascinating response from someone that clearly recognises that "this is not the place you want to open up a can of worms" Clearly not the brightest lights on the Christmas tree then!

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Sending members threatening or intimidating Emails / Pm's will not be tolerated. and will result in immediate banning of the member.

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as the op maybe people are wondering why i have stayed out of the thread, well the PM below which i received shortly after starting the thread is probably the main reason, whilst i was not scared of the clear message it was meant to send it did make me think a few crazy things which really would not solve to much, the other reason was wait and see to see how much of a problem it is. desepite what the PM says i can hear the music but not enough to bother me, plus we had a meeting of the locals in the villas here with the landlord and told him we would all be gone if the noise was a problem, since we are all long stayers he promised us it would not be a problem and so far it is not.

as for the place being for Villa owners and friends only, why have a pick up driving around samui adverdising the last gig. personally i do not understand why any business man would send an e mail out like this, you really do come across as a bunch of thugs but i am prity sure you are not but either way in the present climate i do not think you have a snow ball in hells chance of the project working out so maybe the guys in Dubai will have something else to be cheesed off about

This I don't like to hear, The PM that you pasted was deleted.. would you be kind enough to forward it to me please?

I would very much like to read this. You're right that it hasn't been a problem so far but I'm sure there has been foul play on this site and as a neutral and probably closest to the place I want to make up my own mind on this matter.

Thankyou

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as the op maybe people are wondering why i have stayed out of the thread, well the PM below which i received shortly after starting the thread is probably the main reason, whilst i was not scared of the clear message it was meant to send it did make me think a few crazy things which really would not solve to much, the other reason was wait and see to see how much of a problem it is. desepite what the PM says i can hear the music but not enough to bother me, plus we had a meeting of the locals in the villas here with the landlord and told him we would all be gone if the noise was a problem, since we are all long stayers he promised us it would not be a problem and so far it is not.

as for the place being for Villa owners and friends only, why have a pick up driving around samui adverdising the last gig. personally i do not understand why any business man would send an e mail out like this, you really do come across as a bunch of thugs but i am prity sure you are not but either way in the present climate i do not think you have a snow ball in hells chance of the project working out so maybe the guys in Dubai will have something else to be cheesed off about

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Many thanks for that brave post. Very interesting and very useful. A fascinating response from someone that clearly recognises that "this is not the place you want to open up a can of worms" Clearly not the brightest lights on the Christmas tree then!

I too have followed this thread from the start. I fully understand the position of those kindly moderating, and have no issue with those either 'for' or 'against' the Geko enterprise. However, I would be concerned if underhand threats were being sent via PMs and would really appriciate if you might be kind enough to forward me the PM in question. Being a resident on Samui I feel that any information about said business and the people running it might better help me, and others, in understanding what we might be dealing with here.

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I drove by the place for the first time on Sunday. I had expected a smallish place but it's massive and on the side of a hill with a large opening in the front. I don't see how anyone couldn't hear loud music from there if they lived directly in the path. Fortunately, while I live not far in Bophut, I'm off to the side so don't really hear anything. BTW - the place looks like a giant tinder box. One misplaced cigarette and it's bonfire time.

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today i noticed a lot of Gecko orange flags on the old monkey theatre road, i followed the signs dreading another late night party like dreamfeilds last year. when i got there it was worse, its a purpose built out door nightclub and its a big one. the owner came over talking to us about how proud he was of his new venture. i asked how many times per week, reply every night, i asked what time he going to close, when last farang go was the reply. last straw for me i cannot tolerate that noise every night. he reckons fully open in 3 months, worth a look if you are out that way. i would have thought sound bar, solo, bamboo, monkey bar, ark bar, lake party etc were enough without sticking one on the side of a mountain in the jungle thats going to keep hundreds awake every night and morning.

Hua Hin here i come finally...

I am completely lost where is Bohpud, monkey road? :)

Then you say "Hua Hin......" :D

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This isn't such a great photo but it should be good enough to convey the idea that this isn't some small venue. It looks about the size of Reggae Pub and that large opening facing down the hill has to help in dispersing the sound to those unlucky enough not to be at the party. :)

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This isn't such a great photo but it should be good enough to convey the idea that this isn't some small venue. It looks about the size of Reggae Pub and that large opening facing down the hill has to help in dispersing the sound to those unlucky enough not to be at the party. :D

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No it isn't a great photo but you can almost see my place in that shot and i've still had no sleepless nights (though I have been able to hear it on 2 occations in the last last 6 months) I think this has got to a point where all of us (the people within earshot) should go up there and i'll introduce you to them. I can bring my Thai friends along to make sure everything is above board and let the owners speak to us all in person.

I mentioned this thread to the Thai lady owner when I popped in there for a drink on my way up the hill the other afternoon and they know about it and said they have tried to put their point across but obviously people are in doubt because they are well known for putting on parties. However, if you have a look at their plans (and I'm sure they'll be happy to show you) There's nothing about a night club in them.

I really think you should seriously consider this as I'm sure they would really like to clear this up too, as it's not creating a very friendly community. Wouldn't it be great if we could all get on with our neighbours. Mine hasn't even said hello to my partner and I since they moved in! That's not the Koh Samui we all come to love.

If the Gekko put the odd party on once a month or two months to make a few baht while they're finishing buiding, would that be such a crime? You're all talking like it's LakeView on the hill and I believe them when they say it's not

:)

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This isn't such a great photo but it should be good enough to convey the idea that this isn't some small venue. It looks about the size of Reggae Pub and that large opening facing down the hill has to help in dispersing the sound to those unlucky enough not to be at the party. :D

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No it isn't a great photo but you can almost see my place in that shot and i've still had no sleepless nights (though I have been able to hear it on 2 occations in the last last 6 months) I think this has got to a point where all of us (the people within earshot) should go up there and i'll introduce you to them. I can bring my Thai friends along to make sure everything is above board and let the owners speak to us all in person.

I mentioned this thread to the Thai lady owner when I popped in there for a drink on my way up the hill the other afternoon and they know about it and said they have tried to put their point across but obviously people are in doubt because they are well known for putting on parties. However, if you have a look at their plans (and I'm sure they'll be happy to show you) There's nothing about a night club in them.

I really think you should seriously consider this as I'm sure they would really like to clear this up too, as it's not creating a very friendly community. Wouldn't it be great if we could all get on with our neighbours. Mine hasn't even said hello to my partner and I since they moved in! That's not the Koh Samui we all come to love.

If the Gekko put the odd party on once a month or two months to make a few baht while they're finishing buiding, would that be such a crime? You're all talking like it's LakeView on the hill and I believe them when they say it's not

:)

Just what is it about this thread that you don't understand for goodness sake! Sound is a funny thing and just because you live in some kind of accoustic bubble, no matter how close you are, is your good fortune. The fact that you don't feel disturbed, does not make you a judge of what others find disturbing. Who do you think you are to be judge for all of us!

Just accept that not everyone's experience is the same as yours. I don't need the help of either you or your "friends" in deciding what is, or is not acceptable. Nor does anyone else who feels disturbed suddenly going to feel undisturbed because you and your "friends" think we should. What is difficult for you to understand about that?

Thanks however, from myself and MY friends!

PS. By the way, of course you are quite correct when you say it's not nice living in an unfriendly community. Who wants that? If however you are so arrogant as to move a club playing loud music into a quiet residential area where people are trying to make a living and survive by occasionally renting out their properties. Then that's what you get! Unfriendly neighbours! Hardly rocket science! Even if you don't understand it!

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I don't need the help of either you or your "friends" in deciding what is, or is not acceptable. Nor does anyone else who feels disturbed suddenly going to feel undisturbed because you and your "friends" think we should. What is difficult for you to understand about that?

Thanks however, from myself and MY friends!

I find your tone offensive considering what I suggested was offering a friendly hand.

We all need friends don't we now! Can't see someone with your attitude having that many though!

You were offered a chance of friendship and you've chosen against it . Just remember that!

They are Thai's, WE are foreigners and this is THEIR country!

Don't expect all the foreigners to take sides against the Thais..We moved here for an easy life..

It's people like you that make the Thai people hate us by your constant expectations!

You don't have to be the brightest light on the xmas tree to work THAT out!

I rent out my property too, its not just you.. They'll be more noise coming from rented out "party villas" in the future

than there will from the Gekko.. Are you going to wage war on those too?

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They are Thai's, WE are foreigners and this is THEIR country!

That's a lame argument. So now Thais can do whatever they want and treat foreigners as they please because it's their country? Do you really believe that? What if they are disturbing other Thais as well?

If you want to have friends and be a good neighbor you shouldn't blast music all night long - even if it is one night a month. As someone once said, one person's rights end where another person's begins.

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This isn't such a great photo but it should be good enough to convey the idea that this isn't some small venue. It looks about the size of Reggae Pub and that large opening facing down the hill has to help in dispersing the sound to those unlucky enough not to be at the party. :D

P6212243.jpg

No it isn't a great photo but you can almost see my place in that shot and i've still had no sleepless nights (though I have been able to hear it on 2 occations in the last last 6 months) I think this has got to a point where all of us (the people within earshot) should go up there and i'll introduce you to them. I can bring my Thai friends along to make sure everything is above board and let the owners speak to us all in person.

I mentioned this thread to the Thai lady owner when I popped in there for a drink on my way up the hill the other afternoon and they know about it and said they have tried to put their point across but obviously people are in doubt because they are well known for putting on parties. However, if you have a look at their plans (and I'm sure they'll be happy to show you) There's nothing about a night club in them.

I really think you should seriously consider this as I'm sure they would really like to clear this up too, as it's not creating a very friendly community. Wouldn't it be great if we could all get on with our neighbours. Mine hasn't even said hello to my partner and I since they moved in! That's not the Koh Samui we all come to love.

If the Gekko put the odd party on once a month or two months to make a few baht while they're finishing buiding, would that be such a crime?

You're all talking like it's LakeView on the hill and I believe them when they say it's not :)

i may be mistaken but i am almost 100% sure these people are related to the family that runs the lakeview party and btw in the beginning that was going to be an occassional party as well and we all see what that is now.

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I don't need the help of either you or your "friends" in deciding what is, or is not acceptable. Nor does anyone else who feels disturbed suddenly going to feel undisturbed because you and your "friends" think we should. What is difficult for you to understand about that?

Thanks however, from myself and MY friends!

I find your tone offensive considering what I suggested was offering a friendly hand.

We all need friends don't we now! Can't see someone with your attitude having that many though!

You were offered a chance of friendship and you've chosen against it . Just remember that!

They are Thai's, WE are foreigners and this is THEIR country!

Don't expect all the foreigners to take sides against the Thais..We moved here for an easy life..

It's people like you that make the Thai people hate us by your constant expectations!

You don't have to be the brightest light on the xmas tree to work THAT out!

I rent out my property too, its not just you.. They'll be more noise coming from rented out "party villas" in the future

than there will from the Gekko.. Are you going to wage war on those too?

The fact that you have turned this into a Farang/Thai thing, says a lot more about you than it does about me! Wherever the owners came from in the World, the principal would be exactly the same. You might be interested to know (though probably not!) that I in fact assumed the place was headed up by an Englishman! In this, I might be wrong, but it doesn't change the principle.

Furthermore you may be interested to know (though probably not!) that it is not only local Farangs but also many local Thais that are concerned about this issue.

I am truly sorry that you feel "hated" by the Thais. Whereas I have noted a growing resentment over the years towards Farang in general, my own personal association with Thais remain extremely friendly and full of mutual respect! I'm sorry you find it otherwise.

Please feel free to find my comments offensive if you wish. However I myself am much more offended by someone who feels they have the right to assume what others around them are thinking and labelling them with attitudes and prejudices which they in fact do not possess.

There you go Sweety. Do you mind if I call you that Lemon Bonbon?

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I don't need the help of either you or your "friends" in deciding what is, or is not acceptable. Nor does anyone else who feels disturbed suddenly going to feel undisturbed because you and your "friends" think we should. What is difficult for you to understand about that?

Thanks however, from myself and MY friends!

I find your tone offensive considering what I suggested was offering a friendly hand.

We all need friends don't we now! Can't see someone with your attitude having that many though!

You were offered a chance of friendship and you've chosen against it . Just remember that!

They are Thai's, WE are foreigners and this is THEIR country!

Don't expect all the foreigners to take sides against the Thais..We moved here for an easy life..

It's people like you that make the Thai people hate us by your constant expectations!

You don't have to be the brightest light on the xmas tree to work THAT out!

I rent out my property too, its not just you.. They'll be more noise coming from rented out "party villas" in the future

than there will from the Gekko.. Are you going to wage war on those too?

The fact that you have turned this into a Farang/Thai thing, says a lot more about you than it does about me! Wherever the owners came from in the World, the principal would be exactly the same. You might be interested to know (though probably not!) that I in fact assumed the place was headed up by an Englishman! In this, I might be wrong, but it doesn't change the principle.

Furthermore you may be interested to know (though probably not!) that it is not only local Farangs but also many local Thais that are concerned about this issue.

I am truly sorry that you feel "hated" by the Thais. Whereas I have noted a growing resentment over the years towards Farang in general, my own personal association with Thais remain extremely friendly and full of mutual respect! I'm sorry you find it otherwise.

Please feel free to find my comments offensive if you wish. However I myself am much more offended by someone who feels they have the right to assume what others around them are thinking and labelling them with attitudes and prejudices which they in fact do not possess.

There you go Sweety. Do you mind if I call you that Lemon Bonbon?

:):D

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Why did everyone ignore my earlier suggestion on this thread? Do you all just want to argue on an internet forum or actually sort this issue out?

If you are serious about creating good community relationships I suggest you all get together and sort out the problem like adults.

I propose that a community association is set up with bi-monthly (or whatever time period suits) meetings where issues like this and others can be raised and representatives from both sides of the fence (and those on the fence if they are bothered to attend) can talk about the problems and try to find solutions.

Wouldn't that be a lot more productive? To get accurate information direct from those involved and talk to them to try and reach an agreement??

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Why did everyone ignore my earlier suggestion on this thread? Do you all just want to argue on an internet forum or actually sort this issue out?

If you are serious about creating good community relationships I suggest you all get together and sort out the problem like adults.

I propose that a community association is set up with bi-monthly (or whatever time period suits) meetings where issues like this and others can be raised and representatives from both sides of the fence (and those on the fence if they are bothered to attend) can talk about the problems and try to find solutions.

Wouldn't that be a lot more productive? To get accurate information direct from those involved and talk to them to try and reach an agreement??

First of all TIT and things don't get sorted like that!

and anybody serious about creating good community relationships would NOT have built a club in the middle of a residential area in the first place when many people have committed heavily

:)

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Reply coming!

You have a good think about it, won't you!

I've actually enjoyed reading your posts even though I don't agree with everything you're saying

because you have a great way with words!

Are you a writer by any chance?

To the last poster..(who thinks I'm "lame") I've never condoned loud all night parties keeping everyone awake

and would be upset myself it it was all the time but 3 times in 6 months?

Get a life for heavens sake!!!

people like yourself only use this site to moan about Thailand and Thai people.. WHY are you here?

Posted
Why did everyone ignore my earlier suggestion on this thread? Do you all just want to argue on an internet forum or actually sort this issue out?

If you are serious about creating good community relationships I suggest you all get together and sort out the problem like adults.

I propose that a community association is set up with bi-monthly (or whatever time period suits) meetings where issues like this and others can be raised and representatives from both sides of the fence (and those on the fence if they are bothered to attend) can talk about the problems and try to find solutions.

Wouldn't that be a lot more productive? To get accurate information direct from those involved and talk to them to try and reach an agreement??

It is transparent from all of your posts that you are clearly a very pleasant lady and one that likes to get things done.

I admire people like yourselves because without people like yourselves. nothing would ever get done in the towns and villages of places like England.

Fetes would not be held local problems would not be solved and peoples' issues would not be addressed without the good offices of those like you.

You are clearly a doer rather than a talker and I admire you and people like you for that.

However, unfortunately, GraBangkok is right when he says that this is Thailand and things here are different.

I urge you to read a thread on here currently languishing on about page 5 of this forum regarding a similar issue that arose on Koh Panghan, entitled "Farang German Web Designer Shot on Koh Phangan" (Sorry, I don't know how to do that link thing). Please read it and then let us know whether you would wish to become the "Chairwoman" of this commitee you suggest forming and whether you would like the first meeting to be held in your house.

Whilst I am not suggesting the two issues are an exact match. I'm sure you might notice some similarities.

To be frank the owners of this club know how things work here and therefore I am pretty certain that is why they are as quiet as they are at the moment, rather than as noisy as they would dearly love to be! ( Can we expect a show of defiance to this statement in the next couple of nights?)

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Reply coming!

You have a good think about it, won't you!

I've actually enjoyed reading your posts even though I don't agree with everything you're saying

because you have a great way with words!

Are you a writer by any chance?

To the last poster..(who thinks I'm "lame") I've never condoned loud all night parties keeping everyone awake

and would be upset myself it it was all the time but 3 times in 6 months?

Get a life for heavens sake!!!

people like yourself only use this site to moan about Thailand and Thai people.. WHY are you here?

The reply came ages ago Lemon. In a reply to this later post however, what on Earth makes you say I am having a moan about Thailand and the Thai people! When have you ever heard me do that? Please check! I love Thailand and most Thai folk. Bizarrely, they seem to like me too! Can't understand why! I have no issue at all with the Thais.

Mine and many others issue is with this Club and the people who run it whether they be Thai or Farang. I believe by the way, it is headed up by an English guy named Gary. ( As in Gary Gecko! ) Either you or I have been misinformed, however the issue remains the same.

Many thanks for your appreciation of my writing style though I'm sure it is not deserved. I'm sure if we met in other circumstances I would find you a very pleasant person as you seem to have a caring nature. We just don't seem to be in accord on this one. I look forward to verbally crossing swords with you again soon krap.

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The reply came ages ago Lemon. In a reply to this later post however, what on Earth makes you say I am having a moan about Thailand and the Thai people! When have you ever heard me do that? Please check! I love Thailand and most Thai folk. Bizarrely, they seem to like me too! Can't understand why! I have no issue at all with the Thais.

Mine and many others issue is with this Club and the people who run it whether they be Thai or Farang. I believe by the way, it is headed up by an English guy named Gary. ( As in Gary Gecko! ) Either you or I have been misinformed, however the issue remains the same.

Many thanks for your appreciation of my writing style though I'm sure it is not deserved. I'm sure if we met in other circumstances I would find you a very pleasant person as you seem to have a caring nature. We just don't seem to be in accord on this one. I look forward to verbally crossing swords with you again soon krap.

I have met Gary, and he's without doubt the face of Gekko, but what everyone doesn't get is that the Gekko came from his wife and their family originally and he is a partner. The place is actually Thai owned and the shareholders involved in the whole villa / resort project are mixed Thai / Foreigners. That's why I've brought up the whole Thai issue.

They are extreemly well connected and the best way I can see this working with all concerned is to speak directly.

I can't see them doing anyone any favours if they're being slated by everyone on this site.. That's all I'm saying!

Have a look at their plans and it will ease your minds... I promise you!

Posted
First of all TIT and things don't get sorted like that!

and anybody serious about creating good community relationships would NOT have built a club in the middle of a residential area in the first place when many people have committed heavily

:)

What a cop out. TIT is the reason people give when they can't be bothered to find a solution. If we replaced the "This is Thailand" with England, America, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Switzerland, France, Italy... my god - nothing would ever change and we'd all sit around complaining on internet forums without every realising this very simple fact:

NO ONE IS GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING FOR YOU!!!! If you have an issue with something get up and do something about it. If you can not or will not do something about this thing that bothers you so much then don't complain!!!

Change your perception or change your procedure.

It is transparent from all of your posts that you are clearly a very pleasant lady and one that likes to get things done.

I admire people like yourselves because without people like yourselves. nothing would ever get done in the towns and villages of places like England.

Fetes would not be held local problems would not be solved and peoples' issues would not be addressed without the good offices of those like you.

You are clearly a doer rather than a talker and I admire you and people like you for that.

However, unfortunately, GraBangkok is right when he says that this is Thailand and things here are different.

I urge you to read a thread on here currently languishing on about page 5 of this forum regarding a similar issue that arose on Koh Panghan, entitled "Farang German Web Designer Shot on Koh Phangan" (Sorry, I don't know how to do that link thing). Please read it and then let us know whether you would wish to become the "Chairwoman" of this commitee you suggest forming and whether you would like the first meeting to be held in your house.

Whilst I am not suggesting the two issues are an exact match. I'm sure you might notice some similarities.

To be frank the owners of this club know how things work here and therefore I am pretty certain that is why they are as quiet as they are at the moment, rather than as noisy as they would dearly love to be! ( Can we expect a show of defiance to this statement in the next couple of nights?)

Thank you for your compliment but I find it quite patronising that you have associated my suggestion of a community association with the organisation of a village fete in England. People like myself don't organise village fetes, namely because people like myself grew up in inner city London where fetes are few and far between.

A community association isn't just about problem solving, it is a way to build relationships between all those that are in someway involved in a community, including residents and businesses. It would be a place to resolve potential problems but also an ideal environment to develop ideas that will benefit the community.

I fully understand that things are different in Thailand but I would like you to consider that the assumptions you make about how things are in Thailand contribute to the way things actually go in Thailand. You anticipate a certain result - you will get that result. How about a more productive approach? Ok, you may not want a community association but you can tackle the problem with a better attitude even on this forum. For example "My problem is X, my suggested solution is Y" rather than indulging in petty arguments.

You have made a judgment about the owners of this club that they "know how things work" and are therefore keeping quiet. Let's try and refrain from villainising anyone. I would bet that the majority of people living in Koh Samui (including both yourself and the owners of this club) are reasonable people who want to have a good life and will try to accommodate those around them. If we can engage in conversation, rather than argument, with our community we have a better chance of resolving issues.

And yes - I would be more than happy to organise a community association meeting. I would not be willing to hold it in my house (for obvious reasons) but if there is enough interest I will gladly take on the organisational role for the time being.

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First of all TIT and things don't get sorted like that!

and anybody serious about creating good community relationships would NOT have built a club in the middle of a residential area in the first place when many people have committed heavily

:)

What a cop out. TIT is the reason people give when they can't be bothered to find a solution. If we replaced the "This is Thailand" with England, America, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Switzerland, France, Italy... my god - nothing would ever change and we'd all sit around complaining on internet forums without every realising this very simple fact:

NO ONE IS GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING FOR YOU!!!! If you have an issue with something get up and do something about it. If you can not or will not do something about this thing that bothers you so much then don't complain!!!

Change your perception or change your procedure.

It is transparent from all of your posts that you are clearly a very pleasant lady and one that likes to get things done.

I admire people like yourselves because without people like yourselves. nothing would ever get done in the towns and villages of places like England.

Fetes would not be held local problems would not be solved and peoples' issues would not be addressed without the good offices of those like you.

You are clearly a doer rather than a talker and I admire you and people like you for that.

However, unfortunately, GraBangkok is right when he says that this is Thailand and things here are different.

I urge you to read a thread on here currently languishing on about page 5 of this forum regarding a similar issue that arose on Koh Panghan, entitled "Farang German Web Designer Shot on Koh Phangan" (Sorry, I don't know how to do that link thing). Please read it and then let us know whether you would wish to become the "Chairwoman" of this commitee you suggest forming and whether you would like the first meeting to be held in your house.

Whilst I am not suggesting the two issues are an exact match. I'm sure you might notice some similarities.

To be frank the owners of this club know how things work here and therefore I am pretty certain that is why they are as quiet as they are at the moment, rather than as noisy as they would dearly love to be! ( Can we expect a show of defiance to this statement in the next couple of nights?)

Thank you for your compliment but I find it quite patronising that you have associated my suggestion of a community association with the organisation of a village fete in England. People like myself don't organise village fetes, namely because people like myself grew up in inner city London where fetes are few and far between.

A community association isn't just about problem solving, it is a way to build relationships between all those that are in someway involved in a community, including residents and businesses. It would be a place to resolve potential problems but also an ideal environment to develop ideas that will benefit the community.

I fully understand that things are different in Thailand but I would like you to consider that the assumptions you make about how things are in Thailand contribute to the way things actually go in Thailand. You anticipate a certain result - you will get that result. How about a more productive approach? Ok, you may not want a community association but you can tackle the problem with a better attitude even on this forum. For example "My problem is X, my suggested solution is Y" rather than indulging in petty arguments.

You have made a judgment about the owners of this club that they "know how things work" and are therefore keeping quiet. Let's try and refrain from villainising anyone. I would bet that the majority of people living in Koh Samui (including both yourself and the owners of this club) are reasonable people who want to have a good life and will try to accommodate those around them. If we can engage in conversation, rather than argument, with our community we have a better chance of resolving issues.

And yes - I would be more than happy to organise a community association meeting. I would not be willing to hold it in my house (for obvious reasons) but if there is enough interest I will gladly take on the organisational role for the time being.

Good Luck then! Please post your name and the location of your first meeting! By the way, patronising you was certainly not my intention and nowhere did I actually say you had organised a fete. I was simply refering to the fact that there are doers in this world and they are to be admired. By the way if you ever had had the nightmare job of organising a fete, you would in fact realise what a compliment it was.

Graham's comment was not a cop out, just a reality check. If we said "this is England" or "this is Germany" we could: 1) Expect the full protection of the law. 1) Expect to turn up at such a meeting and expect nobody to be carrying weapons 3) Expect nobody to be focused on like the web man in Koh Phangan. etc etc. Because THIS IS THAILAND. as in not England etc. etc.

If you have not recognised this as reality, then I'm afraid, no matter how well intentioned you are, you have not been here long enough!

Be as rude to me as you like in response.. I am sensitive, but quite broad shouldered.

Come to think of it! Whilst I am already guilty in your eyes of being patronising. (when I had no intention of being so) I might as well go the whole hog and ACTUALLY be patronising by saying "Stick to your book club" You will be a lot safer doing that than organising what you suggest.

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First of all TIT and things don't get sorted like that!

and anybody serious about creating good community relationships would NOT have built a club in the middle of a residential area in the first place when many people have committed heavily

:D

What a cop out. TIT is the reason people give when they can't be bothered to find a solution. If we replaced the "This is Thailand" with England, America, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Switzerland, France, Italy... my god - nothing would ever change and we'd all sit around complaining on internet forums without every realising this very simple fact:

NO ONE IS GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING FOR YOU!!!! If you have an issue with something get up and do something about it. If you can not or will not do something about this thing that bothers you so much then don't complain!!!

Change your perception or change your procedure.

It is transparent from all of your posts that you are clearly a very pleasant lady and one that likes to get things done.

I admire people like yourselves because without people like yourselves. nothing would ever get done in the towns and villages of places like England.

Fetes would not be held local problems would not be solved and peoples' issues would not be addressed without the good offices of those like you.

You are clearly a doer rather than a talker and I admire you and people like you for that.

However, unfortunately, GraBangkok is right when he says that this is Thailand and things here are different.

I urge you to read a thread on here currently languishing on about page 5 of this forum regarding a similar issue that arose on Koh Panghan, entitled "Farang German Web Designer Shot on Koh Phangan" (Sorry, I don't know how to do that link thing). Please read it and then let us know whether you would wish to become the "Chairwoman" of this commitee you suggest forming and whether you would like the first meeting to be held in your house.

Whilst I am not suggesting the two issues are an exact match. I'm sure you might notice some similarities.

To be frank the owners of this club know how things work here and therefore I am pretty certain that is why they are as quiet as they are at the moment, rather than as noisy as they would dearly love to be! ( Can we expect a show of defiance to this statement in the next couple of nights?)

Thank you for your compliment but I find it quite patronising that you have associated my suggestion of a community association with the organisation of a village fete in England. People like myself don't organise village fetes, namely because people like myself grew up in inner city London where fetes are few and far between.

A community association isn't just about problem solving, it is a way to build relationships between all those that are in someway involved in a community, including residents and businesses. It would be a place to resolve potential problems but also an ideal environment to develop ideas that will benefit the community.

I fully understand that things are different in Thailand but I would like you to consider that the assumptions you make about how things are in Thailand contribute to the way things actually go in Thailand. You anticipate a certain result - you will get that result. How about a more productive approach? Ok, you may not want a community association but you can tackle the problem with a better attitude even on this forum. For example "My problem is X, my suggested solution is Y" rather than indulging in petty arguments.

You have made a judgment about the owners of this club that they "know how things work" and are therefore keeping quiet. Let's try and refrain from villainising anyone. I would bet that the majority of people living in Koh Samui (including both yourself and the owners of this club) are reasonable people who want to have a good life and will try to accommodate those around them. If we can engage in conversation, rather than argument, with our community we have a better chance of resolving issues.

And yes - I would be more than happy to organise a community association meeting. I would not be willing to hold it in my house (for obvious reasons) but if there is enough interest I will gladly take on the organisational role for the time being.

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