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Son Of Hamas Founder Spied For Israel

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I have always admitted my mistakes when they have been shown to me. Most recently koheesti pointed out a mistake of mine (UC not Dupont). Even though he has been on the opposite side of many of our discussions, I freely admit when I am wrong.

What is your point in inferring that I am consistant in confessing to nothing?

No belligerence here. I provided my perspective with quotes, you did yours without.

Hey ventura. It is awfully big of him to admit that he was wrong about DuPont since it is an obvious fact than anyone can find by looking on the internet and it has little to do with his argument. However, he usually tries to slide out of admitting anything that contradicts one of his own crackpot theories and even denies the meaning of things that he has posted himself.

I am trying to ignore him as he keeps insisting that he is sincere - when it is perfectly honest that he is not - but when I read your posts, I am forced to see his when you have quoted him.

Perhaps, eventually, you will realize that you are your wasting time and valuable knowledge on the disinterested and undeserving and join in on the BS boycott so I can totally avoid these disingenuous posts.

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Naam: not to forget that i was born in Switzerland to an austrian-swiss mother and a german father. perhaps Khun Venturalaw will hold me responsible that Switzerland assists tax-evaders who moved their dough out of the Greatest Nation on Earth™ to escape the IRS?

venturalaw: Hitler was born in Austria.

and then he asks why i call him "little boy" :D

I never asked why. I know why. It's that aryan superiority thing that your people just can't get past. Really must have depressed your people when Max was destroyed by the 'Brown Bomber' in the first round. Or is that something that just was never talked about? Yes old man, as I said before; you've been outed. :)

you want to get together for tea

I'm starting to understand why you are always making excuses for the poor misunderstood Hamas terrorists. :)

Ah finally a post with at least a speck of topic......

For the record Georgie I have never made an excuse for Hamas

you again have either confusion or miscomprehended.

Go find the post since as you say you search mine through my profile. You will find none ......again.

Btw: if you want to search my posts it is easier & better to click the drop down menu on my name here & select find members posts ....much easier to read not that it will improve your comprehension :D

I have not even posted about Hamas as I am too busy replying to your off topic posts/claims

Tea ? Dont make me revoke your manhood card. :D Tea... :D

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Tea ? Dont make me revoke your manhood card. :) Tea... :D

It's a real man's drink. Like soccer is a real man's game. And "mate" is what you call your male friend - not your woman. Hmmm.

Naam: not to forget that i was born in Switzerland to an austrian-swiss mother and a german father. perhaps Khun Venturalaw will hold me responsible that Switzerland assists tax-evaders who moved their dough out of the Greatest Nation on Earth™ to escape the IRS?

venturalaw: Hitler was born in Austria.

and then he asks why i call him "little boy" :D

I never asked why. I know why. It's that aryan superiority thing that your people just can't get past. Really must have depressed your people when Max was destroyed by the 'Brown Bomber' in the first round. Or is that something that just was never talked about? Yes old man, as I said before; you've been outed. :D

personally i was devastated because Schmeling was my role model! :) now go back, sit in the dark corner and repent... otherwise i call your Mum :D

I have not even posted about Hamas as I am too busy replying to your off topic posts/claims

Yes, you have been too busy denying everything that you have said in the past to post any new stuff. It is almost like you are pretending to be somewhat rational, so that someone who does not go back and read your posting history will buy all your protestations of sainthood.

As one member PMed me about the link that you provided to your post that was in General Topics, it almost sounded sane - unless someone had read your more sincere offerings here in outside the box. Of course, that was the whole reason that I pointed them out - much to your displeasure. :)

Back to Hamas, The Green Price turned his back on terrorism, denounced their brutality and became a sincere Christian. The World needs more men like this. Don’t you agree?

Naam: not to forget that i was born in Switzerland to an austrian-swiss mother and a german father. perhaps Khun Venturalaw will hold me responsible that Switzerland assists tax-evaders who moved their dough out of the Greatest Nation on Earth™ to escape the IRS?

venturalaw: Hitler was born in Austria.

and then he asks why i call him "little boy" :D

I never asked why. I know why. It's that aryan superiority thing that your people just can't get past. Really must have depressed your people when Max was destroyed by the 'Brown Bomber' in the first round. Or is that something that just was never talked about? Yes old man, as I said before; you've been outed. :D

personally i was devastated because Schmeling was my role model! :) now go back, sit in the dark corner and repent... otherwise i call your Mum :D

Actually Schmeling was a good man and became quite close to Joe Louis later in life. There may be some hope for you (if you could ever get past the superiority issue). Pity it's so deeply ingrained. Challenging, isn't it.

Yes, you have been too busy

It is almost like you are pretending to be somewhat rational, so that someone who does not go back and read your posting history will buy all your protestations of sainthood.

As one member PMed me

Back to Hamas, The Green Price

World needs more men like this. Don’t you agree?

Yes goldie you keep me busy & mildly entertained.

But try a bit harder as this last twisted fantasy falls short of your usual.....

Pretending to be rational :) Thats pretty rich coming from one with no comprehension or rationale at all.

Then again all of my posts are available for anyone interested. As are yours....Seems you have the same effect on folks whether your discussing politics or pizza. You are very consistent in your posting style.

I bet if we put a cereal box in front of you & asked you to post it & spell it you would get it wrong....

Ooops you already did :D such is your span of attention/comprehension

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Alexander-Ha...63#entry3365463

Nice that you have PM pals.... not surprising the pal does not post in the open since he probably exists in the dark recess of your mind?... only..... Then again your probably discussing Ding Dongs with your imaginary PM buddy....You know made by hostess your fav next to twinkies :D

Dont know about any green prince though sorry or did you actually mean green price like you wrote? Or produce costs?.. :D But I do agree the world could use more men when I read your posts.

You are right about one thing, I do not suffer fools gladly. On that subject, it looks like you are reduced to baseless insults and pointing out minor spelling mistakes. Thanks, you are doing a great job of proving my point. clap2.gif

There may be some hope for you (if you could ever get past the superiority issue). Pity it's so deeply ingrained. Challenging, isn't it.

leniency please! it's not my fault. my superiority is the result of the genetic mix master race/tax evaders.

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joke aside! i will never forget the reaction of my father (a former career officer in the german army) when in 1961 the Eichmann trial was broadcasted every day on german TV and original and detailed footage of concentration camp horrors was shown as evidence. after years of denial "impossible! these are dàmn lies! no officer with honour would participate in these crimes!" and big fights with me (a schoolboy then) he was sitting with a white and horrified face in front of the TV and kept on murmuring "if that is true... if that is really true... it must be true... this couldn't have been faked." if i ever saw a broken man in my life, it was him!

It looks like you are reduced to baseless insults and pointing out minor spelling mistakes. You are doing a great job of proving

my point. clap2.gif

Thanks I tried to dummy that one down for your benefit. Since the rest with actual content left you spinning :)

edit: Ooops sorry I see you were not done with your post & have added to it. Kor Tort if I do not bother adding it here....I agree though that you do suffer gladly or sadly. But your confusion lay in who is the fool/instigator/insulter....When reading back on some of your posts I can see pretty clearly your consistent as I said.

But again....that is your choice isn't it :D

Thanks, once again, you continue doing a great job of proving my point. thumbsup.gif

Thanks, once again, you continue doing a great job of proving my point.

:)

Your more than welcome but don't expect me to always post to your level.

You will have to up your skills more than a bit. :D

Staying on topic would be a nice start :D

There may be some hope for you (if you could ever get past the superiority issue). Pity it's so deeply ingrained. Challenging, isn't it.

i will never forget the reaction of my father (a former career officer in the german army) when in 1961 the Eichmann trial was broadcasted every day on german TV and original and detailed footage of concentration camp horrors was shown as evidence. after years of denial "impossible! these are dàmn lies! no officer with honour would participate in these crimes!" and big fights with me (a schoolboy then) he was sitting with a white and horrified face in front of the TV and kept on murmuring "if that is true... if that is really true... it must be true... this couldn't have been faked." if i ever saw a broken man in my life, it was him!

You have provided an interesting historical insight. Thank you for that.

Seriously, why do you appear to have a predilection for determining if one with whom you disagree is Jewish? Given your exposure at such a young age to the horrors perpetrated by your country, I would think that you would be cautious not to give even the slightest impression of being prejudice.

Thanks, once again, you continue doing a great job of proving my point.

:)

Your more than welcome but don't expect me to always post to your level.

You will have to up your skills more than a bit. :D

Staying on topic would be a nice start :D

IMHO, UG has consistently provided significant insight via well thought out and considerate posts with a mixture of humor that has been most enlightening and entertaining. Your endless onslaught of insults adds nothing to this forum in addition to lowering most posters' assessment of your character. Enough is enough.

Seriously, why do you appear to have a predilection for determining if one with whom you disagree is Jewish?

Knowing Herr Naam I would inject that I highly doubt it is racial prejudice as you suspect.

Of course in this topic a person with a background/ties to Israel would have a predisposition that as one side is guilt free & therefore the other has to be guilty.

Again a persons birth place should not brand them to a past nor should it censor their thoughts or questions of intent by parties involved what ever race they may be. If it questions the validity/sincerity of the topic being discussed.

Otherwise it would preclude for example any American talking bad about groups of blacks even if justified because the US had a history of slavery.

IMHO, UG has consistently provided significant insight via well thought out and considerate posts with a mixture of humor that has been most enlightening and entertaining. Your endless onslaught of insults adds nothing to this forum in addition to lowering most posters' assessment of your character. Enough is enough.

Show it?

If not go back & read & see who starts & who responds......your choice.

If you want to look start with this thread we are on...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Son-Hamas-Fo...83#entry3373383

I was not even talking to him as I never do...I only respond to his insults.

I was talking to Koheesti

Then continue to any other thread & see who insults & who responds.

Even the Afghanistan thread was a nice thread till he arrived around page 17 & dragged it down.

Till that time all involved spoke freely. Disagreed...of course but it was an exchange.

If nothing else....He is a thread killer :)

IMHO, UG has consistently provided significant insight via well thought out and considerate posts with a mixture of humor that has been most enlightening and entertaining. Your endless onslaught of insults adds nothing to this forum in addition to lowering most posters' assessment of your character. Enough is enough.

Show it?

If not go back & read & see who starts & who responds......your choice.

If you want to look start with this thread we are on...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Son-Hamas-Fo...83#entry3373383

I was not even talking to him as I never do...I only respond to his insults.

I was talking to Koheesti

Then continue to any other thread & see who insults & who responds.

Even the Afghanistan thread was a nice thread till he arrived around page 17 & dragged it down.

Till that time all involved spoke freely. Disagreed...of course but it was an exchange.

If nothing else....He is a thread killer :)

Hear hear. I second that opinion. Same goes for me.

But...never mind Flying. You're talking to a delusional biased out-of-touch exile when you try to reason or argue with him.(I don't mean VL or Koheesti, in case that statement is misconstrued). He is even actively trying to recruit people to his "boycott of BS", which is a sure sign of his self-doubt, insecurity and feelings of insufficiency.....in another place, at another time, he would form a gang just so that he could try to get the better of better people that he can not do by himself.

Never mind. If he was smart, some things he said may be taken to heart, but he has shown his true colours and, for my part, I do not take anything he says to heart, even his blatantly false "liar" accusation, which normally I would take extreme exception to......I make allowances for him because I have begun to believe that he truly can not help himself.

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Back to Hamas, The Green Price turned his back on terrorism, denounced their brutality and became a sincere Christian. The World needs more men like this. Don't you agree?

I wonder what PeaceBlondie's stance is on this? Sounds like something he would approve of.

Back to Hamas, The Green Price turned his back on terrorism, denounced their brutality and became a sincere Christian. The World needs more men like this. Don't you agree?

I wonder what PeaceBlondie's stance is on this? Sounds like something he would approve of.

Interseting angle.

Hmmmm.

I wonder if PB would actually disapprove on the basis that the green prince's (alleged) spying was in fact for malevolent and violent ends.

Hear hear. I second that opinion. Same goes for me.

But...never mind Flying. You're talking to a delusional biased out-of-touch exile when you try to reason or argue with him.(I don't mean VL or Koheesti, in case that statement is misconstrued).

I agree & as I said in other threads I have no problem with counter opinions such as those expressed by many here.....chuck,koheesti,VL,sceagdugenga etc..

I just dont like personal attacks based just for the sake of attack....with no opinion of the thread/topic not unlike his deleted post in the thread I mentioned in the general section.

As for boycott of BS....I have not seen it but one should be sure he has clear vision before trying to clear others vision lest he blind them :)

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Boy, is it difficult to stay on the sidelines during all this.

Hear hear. I second that opinion. Same goes for me.

But...never mind Flying. You're talking to a delusional biased out-of-touch exile when you try to reason or argue with him.(I don't mean VL or Koheesti, in case that statement is misconstrued).

I agree & as I said in other threads I have no problem with counter opinions such as those expressed by many here.....chuck,koheesti,VL,sceagdugenga etc..

I just dont like personal attacks based just for the sake of attack....with no opinion of the thread/topic not unlike his deleted post in the thread I mentioned in the general section.

As for boycott of BS....I have not seen it but one should be sure he has clear vision before trying to clear others vision lest he blind them :)

Post 121 on this thread....you probably skipped over it upon seeing that it was just another of his little rants against me.

Yes, you have been too busy

It is almost like you are pretending to be somewhat rational, so that someone who does not go back and read your posting history will buy all your protestations of sainthood.

As one member PMed me

Back to Hamas, The Green Price

World needs more men like this. Don’t you agree?

Yes goldie you keep me busy & mildly entertained.

But try a bit harder as this last twisted fantasy falls short of your usual.....

Pretending to be rational :) Thats pretty rich coming from one with no comprehension or rationale at all.

Then again all of my posts are available for anyone interested. As are yours....Seems you have the same effect on folks whether your discussing politics or pizza. You are very consistent in your posting style.

I bet if we put a cereal box in front of you & asked you to post it & spell it you would get it wrong....

Ooops you already did :D such is your span of attention/comprehension

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Alexander-Ha...63#entry3365463

Nice that you have PM pals.... not surprising the pal does not post in the open since he probably exists in the dark recess of your mind?... only..... Then again your probably discussing Ding Dongs with your imaginary PM buddy....You know made by hostess your fav next to twinkies :D

Dont know about any green prince though sorry or did you actually mean green price like you wrote? Or produce costs?.. :D But I do agree the world could use more men when I read your posts.

I remember not too long ago, all the liberals were attacking me for being part of the spelling police.

I guess that old saying is true...."Don't do as I do. Do as I say do."

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Yes, you have been too busy

It is almost like you are pretending to be somewhat rational, so that someone who does not go back and read your posting history will buy all your protestations of sainthood.

As one member PMed me

Back to Hamas, The Green Price

World needs more men like this. Don't you agree?

Yes goldie you keep me busy & mildly entertained.

But try a bit harder as this last twisted fantasy falls short of your usual.....

Pretending to be rational :) Thats pretty rich coming from one with no comprehension or rationale at all.

Then again all of my posts are available for anyone interested. As are yours....Seems you have the same effect on folks whether your discussing politics or pizza. You are very consistent in your posting style.

I bet if we put a cereal box in front of you & asked you to post it & spell it you would get it wrong....

Ooops you already did :D such is your span of attention/comprehension

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Alexander-Ha...63#entry3365463

Nice that you have PM pals.... not surprising the pal does not post in the open since he probably exists in the dark recess of your mind?... only..... Then again your probably discussing Ding Dongs with your imaginary PM buddy....You know made by hostess your fav next to twinkies :D

Dont know about any green prince though sorry or did you actually mean green price like you wrote? Or produce costs?.. :D But I do agree the world could use more men when I read your posts.

I remember not too long ago, all the liberals were attacking me for being part of the spelling police.

I guess that old saying is true...."Don't do as I do. Do as I say do."

And I was attacked all of a sudden and out of nowhere on that thread I started about liking Western women.

We've all been attacked...sometimes validly, sometimes not. It's the invalid and irrational attacks that are the pain in the arse.

Seriously, why do you appear to have a predilection for determining if one with whom you disagree is Jewish?

Knowing Herr Naam I would inject that I highly doubt it is racial prejudice as you suspect.

Of course in this topic a person with a background/ties to Israel would have a predisposition that as one side is guilt free & therefore the other has to be guilty.

Again a persons birth place should not brand them to a past nor should it censor their thoughts or questions of intent by parties involved what ever race they may be. If it questions the validity/sincerity of the topic being discussed.

Otherwise it would preclude for example any American talking bad about groups of blacks even if justified because the US had a history of slavery.

I completely agree. If you are referring to me, where Naam was born was never an issue. I stated that at least once. My grandmother was born in Germany. It's not about where one was born.

You know him, and I do not. But the history that he shared about his father was very interesting - a perspective that I had never considered.

Regarding Americans speaking against groups of blacks - there are laws on the books regarding blacks as a special class requiring higher sanctions for violating. Don't get me started.

Seriously, why do you appear to have a predilection for determining if one with whom you disagree is Jewish?

Knowing Herr Naam I would inject that I highly doubt it is racial prejudice as you suspect.

Of course in this topic a person with a background/ties to Israel would have a predisposition that as one side is guilt free & therefore the other has to be guilty.

Again a persons birth place should not brand them to a past nor should it censor their thoughts or questions of intent by parties involved what ever race they may be. If it questions the validity/sincerity of the topic being discussed.

Otherwise it would preclude for example any American talking bad about groups of blacks even if justified because the US had a history of slavery.

I completely agree. If you are referring to me, where Naam was born was never an issue. I stated that at least once. My grandmother was born in Germany. It's not about where one was born.

You know him, and I do not. But the history that he shared about his father was very interesting - a perspective that I had never considered.

Regarding Americans speaking against groups of blacks - there are laws on the books regarding blacks as a special class requiring higher sanctions for violating. Don't get me started.

Just as there are laws on the books, in various places around the world, that give special mention and treatment against anti-semitic actions.

Both the black and the Jew special treatments in these cases has a "rationale", or at least a reason, but is nonetheless discriminatory against all other minorities, as well as the majority!

For some reason, probably tied up with the above mentioned discrimination, my mention of special treatment for Jews was rubbished.

These discriminations are not only enshrined in law, but are also the prevailing general public attitude in varioous places around the world.

By "Don't get me started", I detect you are frustrated by the "special class" afforded to blacks. I can empathise with that.

Seriously, why do you appear to have a predilection for determining if one with whom you disagree is Jewish?

Knowing Herr Naam I would inject that I highly doubt it is racial prejudice as you suspect.

Of course in this topic a person with a background/ties to Israel would have a predisposition that as one side is guilt free & therefore the other has to be guilty.

Again a persons birth place should not brand them to a past nor should it censor their thoughts or questions of intent by parties involved what ever race they may be. If it questions the validity/sincerity of the topic being discussed.

Otherwise it would preclude for example any American talking bad about groups of blacks even if justified because the US had a history of slavery.

I completely agree. If you are referring to me, where Naam was born was never an issue. I stated that at least once. My grandmother was born in Germany. It's not about where one was born.

You know him, and I do not. But the history that he shared about his father was very interesting - a perspective that I had never considered.

Regarding Americans speaking against groups of blacks - there are laws on the books regarding blacks as a special class requiring higher sanctions for violating. Don't get me started.

Just as there are laws on the books, in various places around the world, that give special mention and treatment against anti-semitic actions.

Both the black and the Jew special treatments in these cases has a "rationale", or at least a reason, but is nonetheless discriminatory against all other minorities, as well as the majority!

For some reason, probably tied up with the above mentioned discrimination, my mention of special treatment for Jews was rubbished.

These discriminations are not only enshrined in law, but are also the prevailing general public attitude in varioous places around the world.

By "Don't get me started", I detect you are frustrated by the "special class" afforded to blacks. I can empathise with that.

I loath the concept and practice of any group being considered a 'special class'. Case in point, when Sarah Palin was running as the Vice Presidential nominee with John McCain, on Halloween there was a West Hollywood idiot homeowner who placed an effigy of Sarah Palin that was hanging from a noose off the side of his house. If Sarah Palin were black, the subject homeowner would have been in violation of federal anti-discrimination laws, however, because Palin is white, no problem.

Yeah. I don't know the case, but I am in full agreeance with you. It is discrimination. Some people call it "reverse racism", but I just call it racial discrimination.

Yes, there are grievances of the past.....but just as Germans should not be discriminated against because some of their forefathers were Nazis...a sins of the father type thing, AND a generalisation.....so too, from the victim's side of the grievance, the descendants of victims should be treated as we all expect to be treated....equally.

When you say, "I loath the concept and practice of any group being considered a 'special class'", I take it that that goes for the descendants of victims as well as the descendants of perpetrators.

Of course, there is the huge generalisation too.....a black man who emigrated to America from Africa, and has no descendants that were enslaved, is afforded that special class just because of the colour of his skin.

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