Red Shirts Plan To Paralyse Bangkok, Topple Thai Government

[mazeltov]

For the sake of those all too quick to resort to personal attacks and flaming, when it is obvious they are not fully aware of the argument, I will post these facts. If anyone disputes any of these then please post evidence supporting your claim: Links are given where necessary, other points are covered by http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?action=cw_search&l=1&t=1&cw_country=106&cw_date= , which gives a day by day account of events.

1. There have been elections since the coup.

2. In those elections, more people voted against the PPP than for the PPP. The PPP gained the most seats, but the Democrats got the most votes for any single party.

...

are questions allowed?

how could people vote "against the PPP"? i doubt that it was somehow possible.

furthermore i don't believe your claim that the Democrats got more votes. (and i don't bother to bring evidence and a link to counter your claim you call 'fact' it isn't.

it's an issue of opinion to recognise Abhisit as "legit and decent" or not.

you cannot find the final TRUTH and the absolute proof for it with a list of selected 'facts' while maybe other points got taken less into consideration for your final conclusion.

just look into your point 1. "There have been elections since the coup." it is much more complex than just this line.

in case you don't know at that www.crisisgroup.org Link you can recap what happend in the month before the election

1/07/2007 "Political parties allowed to resume activity 5 June although ban on formation of new parties remains, preventing re-formation of Thaksin’s disbanded Thai Rak Thai."

1/08/2007 "Ban on formation of new political parties lifted 18 July. Anti-coup protests continued: several thousand Thaksin supporters clashed with police 22 July."

1/09/2007 "Vote revealed support for charter weakest in former PM Thaksin strongholds of North and Northeast. Turnout relatively low at 58% as around half of country under martial law and no-vote campaigners intimidated and arrested."

1/01/2008 People’s Power Party (PPP), with links to deposed PM Thaksin, won greatest share of seats in 23 December elections, with 228 of 480. Democrat Party, linked to coup leaders, won 166. TITV blocked from broadcasting interview with Thaksin, who said considering return to country, 26 December. Some harassment of PPP candidates reported ahead of polls; martial law remained in effect in 31 provinces. Government pushed through final draft of internal security act on eve of election. Violence in south unabated.

the issues lie within the question how legit is that 2007 constitution and how fair was campaigning in 2007 under martial law and all that.

as i said there are a lot of points and details i could take into consideration or ignore them as less important. i should know them all somehow. and i have to accept that i cant convince everybody, but its possible to understand why some people argue this way or that way. some are plain propaganda monkeys, some have valuable thoughts, on both side pro or contra.

so legit or not - tricky question. i would say it is not uncontroversial.

[TAWP]

For the sake of those all too quick to resort to personal attacks and flaming, when it is obvious they are not fully aware of the argument, I will post these facts. If anyone disputes any of these then please post evidence supporting your claim: Links are given where necessary, other points are covered by http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?action=cw_search&l=1&t=1&cw_country=106&cw_date= , which gives a day by day account of events.

1. There have been elections since the coup.

2. In those elections, more people voted against the PPP than for the PPP. The PPP gained the most seats, but the Democrats got the most votes for any single party.

...

are questions allowed?

how could people vote "against the PPP"? i doubt that it was somehow possible.

furthermore i don't believe your claim that the Democrats got more votes. (and i don't bother to bring evidence and a link to counter your claim you call 'fact' it isn't.

What he means 'against' is 'not for', i.e. more people voted for other parties than PPP. You should be able to figure that one out too.

And ofcourse you will not bring facts that disprove his claim, that would kinda be hard to do...

[Old Man River]

the issues lie within the question how legit is that 2007 constitution and how fair was campaigning in 2007 under martial law and all that.

How fair will the next election be when the Democrats cannot campaign in the north without being attacked? And all that.

[bangon04]

The red-shirt movement, in its last ditch effort to topple Abhisit Vejjajiva's government

So do you think the red shirts will stop after this weekend?

i seriously doubt it

What? You mean this is not the "final", Final Showdown??

[SNGLIFE]

The report reeks of yellow journalism tactics and soaked in fear. I say give the people their vote and respect it. That is how a Democracy works and that is what the are peacefully demonstrating for. However, the article calls it "Maoist tactics". Give the author a job at Fox News.

[jdinasia]

the issues lie within the question how legit is that 2007 constitution and how fair was campaigning in 2007 under martial law and all that.

How fair will the next election be when the Democrats cannot campaign in the north without being attacked? And all that.

Baaaa

Absolutely nobody cried when PPP got the first and second bite at the apple after the 2007 elections. Not even the Democrats cried! People only cried after the small parties that had helped PPP form the government did an about face and went with the Democrats. Perhaps they just didn't like anyone that PTP could slate as a PM. Perhaps the rumor that was never proven is true and they were bought off. More likely is that they saw that Thaksin was finished and there was nothing to gain by hanging with the folks that are currently the opposition party (and still want to give Thaksin everything).

The reds have openly ackowledged what they want out of this rally and the article kinda sums it up nicely. If they had added in "give Thaksin the keys to pillage Thailand for his personal gain, again!" it would have been perfect.

[scorecard]

For the sake of those all too quick to resort to personal attacks and flaming, when it is obvious they are not fully aware of the argument, I will post these facts. If anyone disputes any of these then please post evidence supporting your claim: Links are given where necessary, other points are covered by http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?action=cw_search&l=1&t=1&cw_country=106&cw_date= , which gives a day by day account of events.

1. There have been elections since the coup.

2. In those elections, more people voted against the PPP than for the PPP. The PPP gained the most seats, but the Democrats got the most votes for any single party.

...

are questions allowed?

how could people vote "against the PPP"? i doubt that it was somehow possible.

furthermore i don't believe your claim that the Democrats got more votes. (and i don't bother to bring evidence and a link to counter your claim you call 'fact' it isn't.

it's an issue of opinion to recognise Abhisit as "legit and decent" or not.

you cannot find the final TRUTH and the absolute proof for it with a list of selected 'facts' while maybe other points got taken less into consideration for your final conclusion.

just look into your point 1. "There have been elections since the coup." it is much more complex than just this line.

in case you don't know at that www.crisisgroup.org Link you can recap what happend in the month before the election

1/07/2007 "Political parties allowed to resume activity 5 June although ban on formation of new parties remains, preventing re-formation of Thaksin’s disbanded Thai Rak Thai."

1/08/2007 "Ban on formation of new political parties lifted 18 July. Anti-coup protests continued: several thousand Thaksin supporters clashed with police 22 July."

1/09/2007 "Vote revealed support for charter weakest in former PM Thaksin strongholds of North and Northeast. Turnout relatively low at 58% as around half of country under martial law and no-vote campaigners intimidated and arrested."

1/01/2008 People’s Power Party (PPP), with links to deposed PM Thaksin, won greatest share of seats in 23 December elections, with 228 of 480. Democrat Party, linked to coup leaders, won 166. TITV blocked from broadcasting interview with Thaksin, who said considering return to country, 26 December. Some harassment of PPP candidates reported ahead of polls; martial law remained in effect in 31 provinces. Government pushed through final draft of internal security act on eve of election. Violence in south unabated.

the issues lie within the question how legit is that 2007 constitution and how fair was campaigning in 2007 under martial law and all that.

as i said there are a lot of points and details i could take into consideration or ignore them as less important. i should know them all somehow. and i have to accept that i cant convince everybody, but its possible to understand why some people argue this way or that way. some are plain propaganda monkeys, some have valuable thoughts, on both side pro or contra.

so legit or not - tricky question. i would say it is not uncontroversial.

You said:

"the issues lie within the question how legit is that 2007 constitution and how fair was campaigning in 2007 under martial law and all that."

Well here's another point; if thaksin, and his udd/red shirts want Thailand to return to the 'set-up/ the people in parliament and the PM' before the 2006 coup, because they don't recognize/ don't accept coups, then thaksin, to be consistent (no double standards allowed please), must follow through by not recognizing all previous coups, therefore demaning that Thailand return to a government before the first ever coup.

[jdinasia]

For the sake of those all too quick to resort to personal attacks and flaming, when it is obvious they are not fully aware of the argument, I will post these facts. If anyone disputes any of these then please post evidence supporting your claim: Links are given where necessary, other points are covered by http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?action=cw_search&l=1&t=1&cw_country=106&cw_date= , which gives a day by day account of events.

1. There have been elections since the coup.

2. In those elections, more people voted against the PPP than for the PPP. The PPP gained the most seats, but the Democrats got the most votes for any single party.

...

are questions allowed?

how could people vote "against the PPP"? i doubt that it was somehow possible.

furthermore i don't believe your claim that the Democrats got more votes. (and i don't bother to bring evidence and a link to counter your claim you call 'fact' it isn't.

What he means 'against' is 'not for', i.e. more people voted for other parties than PPP. You should be able to figure that one out too.

And ofcourse you will not bring facts that disprove his claim, that would kinda be hard to do...

I think the word you are looking for is "impossible" to do.

Therein lies the issue with the "one man 4 vote" problem ....

[jdinasia]

You said:

"the issues lie within the question how legit is that 2007 constitution and how fair was campaigning in 2007 under martial law and all that."

Well here's another point; if thaksin, and his udd/red shirts want Thailand to return to the 'set-up/ the people in parliament and the PM' before the 2006 coup, because they don't recognize/ don't accept coups, then thaksin, to be consistent (no double standards allowed please), must follow through by not recognizing all previous coups, therefore demaning that Thailand return to a government before the first ever coup.

Hmmm if we rolled the clock back to 1 minute before the coup what would we have? A caretaker PM that had resigned and come back, elections that failed to place a government so the caretaker PM AND the caretaker government were outside of what is allowed in the old constitution etc etc.

A massive constitutional crisis that would have to be ended some way and .... ooops No parliament and no functioning government to end it.

Knowing what we do now .... that Thaksin was as crooked as a road in the Ozarks and would be convicted by ANY court of his massive theft, would it have actually been better to not have the coup?

IMHO --- the answer to that is no.

[mazeltov]

Where are we now ?

a pretty funny chart. Levels one to four describe the activities of the security apparatus. Then level 5 says- chaos!. Riots!

Read correctly, this chart would suggest that the final level is one in which the security forces run amok.

In fact of course, this chart is nothing more than a political cartoon- pointing out that the trajetory that leads from veering away from the norm will be chaos--- and if you don't believe that- look at the point on the trajetory we are already occupying. Actually, pretty brilliant in a kind of ultra conservative way.

555

well observed and pointed out. thanks for the laugh.

chaos should be actually the normal the natural state. soon as the authorities try to control the lovely entropy with orders it turns worse, put it under more and more pressure, the system becomes more and more stressed, hot and explosive.

its a libertarian cartoon.

point 5 would be "military rules".

Edited March 9, 2010 by mazeltov

[ballpoint]

are questions allowed?

how could people vote "against the PPP"? i doubt that it was somehow possible.

furthermore i don't believe your claim that the Democrats got more votes. (and i don't bother to bring evidence and a link to counter your claim you call 'fact' it isn't.

it's an issue of opinion to recognise Abhisit as "legit and decent" or not.

you cannot find the final TRUTH and the absolute proof for it with a list of selected 'facts' while maybe other points got taken less into consideration for your final conclusion.

just look into your point 1. "There have been elections since the coup." it is much more complex than just this line.

in case you don't know at that www.crisisgroup.org Link you can recap what happend in the month before the election

1/07/2007 "Political parties allowed to resume activity 5 June although ban on formation of new parties remains, preventing re-formation of Thaksin's disbanded Thai Rak Thai."

1/08/2007 "Ban on formation of new political parties lifted 18 July. Anti-coup protests continued: several thousand Thaksin supporters clashed with police 22 July."

1/09/2007 "Vote revealed support for charter weakest in former PM Thaksin strongholds of North and Northeast. Turnout relatively low at 58% as around half of country under martial law and no-vote campaigners intimidated and arrested."

1/01/2008 People's Power Party (PPP), with links to deposed PM Thaksin, won greatest share of seats in 23 December elections, with 228 of 480. Democrat Party, linked to coup leaders, won 166. TITV blocked from broadcasting interview with Thaksin, who said considering return to country, 26 December. Some harassment of PPP candidates reported ahead of polls; martial law remained in effect in 31 provinces. Government pushed through final draft of internal security act on eve of election. Violence in south unabated.

the issues lie within the question how legit is that 2007 constitution and how fair was campaigning in 2007 under martial law and all that.

as i said there are a lot of points and details i could take into consideration or ignore them as less important. i should know them all somehow. and i have to accept that i cant convince everybody, but its possible to understand why some people argue this way or that way. some are plain propaganda monkeys, some have valuable thoughts, on both side pro or contra.

so legit or not - tricky question. i would say it is not uncontroversial.

There were 400 constituency seats and 80 proportional seats up for grabs in 2007. The PPP got 36% of the constituency vote and 199 seats. The Democrats got 30% and 132 seats. The PPP got 39.60% of the proportional vote and 34 seats, the Democrats 39.63% and 33 seats - less seats for more votes, but no matter. Therefore PPP got a total of 233 seats out of 480, or 48.5%. They didn't win the election, they got first grabs at forming a coalition, which they did by including at least one party that had indicated it would not join them prior to elections. Where were all the shouts of 'illegal' then? You can either accept that the Samak and Somchai governments were legal at the time (before the vote counting bans) and therefore the Abhisit one is, or you can state that all three are illegal. Again, where were all the shouts of illegal against the Samak government? You can accept that the alleged buying of coalition partners by the Democrats is wrong, and therefore the proven buying of complete political parties by Thaksin must also be wrong, or you can accept it is a part of politics. You can't have it both ways.

What the reds have never properly addressed is what they ultimately aim to achieve here. Suppose they bring down the government, what then? Elections are held? Who is in charge while they are organised and carried out? Who monitors vote buying and free campaigning? If the Democrats manage to form a coalition will they accept it? The Thaksin supporters amongst them won't. If the PTP wins they state they'll bring back a pardoned Thaksin. Do you think the PAD will sit back and let that happen without protests of their own? The whole process is an exercise in futility, and would be a huge joke if not for the very real possibility of violence and deaths.

[WAERTH]

They are using Maoist tactics. They wear red. They seek to crush the educated "elites" a la the tragic Maoist cultural revolution. Coincidence? Are they communist revolutionaries in thin disguise? Look at what happened to some other countries in the general region in the last century when forces like this prevailed.

Huh! I wish! But unfortunately real socialists are about as common in Thailand as water is on the moon- hence why we had the unusual situation of the rural poor looking to a super-capitalist to liberate them from poverty and oppression.

You wish Thailand would have a Chinese style Maoist cultural revolution? Say no more.

Actually I have no problem with Maoists, and he is right - this is merely a major capitalist player manipulating people.

You have no problem with Maoist tactics? I seriously suggest you find yourself a bookstore and buy some books on the Chinese Cultural Revolution ..... or maybe start reciting the names of the 10's of millions of people that died because of Maoist policies.

You might rethink your answer.

[Sunderland]

Hello all,

My brother and his fiance are due to arrive in Bangkok on Tuesday 16th March. Myself and my girlfriend are due to go down from Issan to meet them at the airport in the afternoon and stay two nights in Bangkok. I'm just wondering what the popular thought on whether we should go ahead as planned or make alternative arrangements. My worry is that if there is any trouble spilling over into Tuesday it could affect their flight, or should they arrive ok, that traffic problems might make it difficult to leave the city altogether.

I was thinking of keeping an eye on how it progresses over the weekend and if things got messy to book onward flights for them up to Udon.

Any advice is hugely appreciated. Thanks a million!

I think it's highly unlikely that the airport will close. If there are major disturbances in Bangkok, I think they will not spread out to the airport on this occasion. You should be able to find an alternative route east/north-east of the airport which bypasses the majority of Bangkok. My only concern would be that if things look nasty, one or two airlines will cancel flights to Bangkok. Emirates is one such airline which often suspends flights to destinations during periods of civil disobedience in those destinations.

If you want to stay clear of any potential problems, then I would suggest staying as far away as possible from central Bangkok during the period of possible unrest. Find a hotel on the outskirts of the city or near the airport and you should be absolutely fine.

[SomTumTiger]

Yeah, lets talk about the 2007 election...that never gets old.

Isn't this thread about the red shirts and their quest for "democracy"

[OZEMADE]

are questions allowed?

how could people vote "against the PPP"? i doubt that it was somehow possible.

furthermore i don't believe your claim that the Democrats got more votes. (and i don't bother to bring evidence and a link to counter your claim you call 'fact' it isn't.

it's an issue of opinion to recognise Abhisit as "legit and decent" or not.

you cannot find the final TRUTH and the absolute proof for it with a list of selected 'facts' while maybe other points got taken less into consideration for your final conclusion.

just look into your point 1. "There have been elections since the coup." it is much more complex than just this line.

in case you don't know at that www.crisisgroup.org Link you can recap what happend in the month before the election

1/07/2007 "Political parties allowed to resume activity 5 June although ban on formation of new parties remains, preventing re-formation of Thaksin's disbanded Thai Rak Thai."

1/08/2007 "Ban on formation of new political parties lifted 18 July. Anti-coup protests continued: several thousand Thaksin supporters clashed with police 22 July."

1/09/2007 "Vote revealed support for charter weakest in former PM Thaksin strongholds of North and Northeast. Turnout relatively low at 58% as around half of country under martial law and no-vote campaigners intimidated and arrested."

1/01/2008 People's Power Party (PPP), with links to deposed PM Thaksin, won greatest share of seats in 23 December elections, with 228 of 480. Democrat Party, linked to coup leaders, won 166. TITV blocked from broadcasting interview with Thaksin, who said considering return to country, 26 December. Some harassment of PPP candidates reported ahead of polls; martial law remained in effect in 31 provinces. Government pushed through final draft of internal security act on eve of election. Violence in south unabated.

the issues lie within the question how legit is that 2007 constitution and how fair was campaigning in 2007 under martial law and all that.

as i said there are a lot of points and details i could take into consideration or ignore them as less important. i should know them all somehow. and i have to accept that i cant convince everybody, but its possible to understand why some people argue this way or that way. some are plain propaganda monkeys, some have valuable thoughts, on both side pro or contra.

so legit or not - tricky question. i would say it is not uncontroversial.

There were 400 constituency seats and 80 proportional seats up for grabs in 2007. The PPP got 36% of the constituency vote and 199 seats. The Democrats got 30% and 132 seats. The PPP got 39.60% of the proportional vote and 34 seats, the Democrats 39.63% and 33 seats - less seats for more votes, but no matter. Therefore PPP got a total of 233 seats out of 480, or 48.5%. They didn't win the election, they got first grabs at forming a coalition, which they did by including at least one party that had indicated it would not join them prior to elections. Where were all the shouts of 'illegal' then? You can either accept that the Samak and Somchai governments were legal at the time (before the vote counting bans) and therefore the Abhisit one is, or you can state that all three are illegal. Again, where were all the shouts of illegal against the Samak government? You can accept that the alleged buying of coalition partners by the Democrats is wrong, and therefore the proven buying of complete political parties by Thaksin must also be wrong, or you can accept it is a part of politics. You can't have it both ways.

What the reds have never properly addressed is what they ultimately aim to achieve here. Suppose they bring down the government, what then? Elections are held? Who is in charge while they are organised and carried out? Who monitors vote buying and free campaigning? If the Democrats manage to form a coalition will they accept it? The Thaksin supporters amongst them won't. If the PTP wins they state they'll bring back a pardoned Thaksin. Do you think the PAD will sit back and let that happen without protests of their own? The whole process is an exercise in futility, and would be a huge joke if not for the very real possibility of violence and deaths.

Your last sentence I hope doen not come to fruition. How ever has any body thought that half the Military and Police are RED Shirts. They also come from all over Thailand.

Edited March 9, 2010 by OZEMADE

[featography]

Whoever writes these articals should be awarded a gold plated wooden spoon for their efforts in stiring.

Or the fickled finger of manipulated fate

[featography]

Hello all,

My brother and his fiance are due to arrive in Bangkok on Tuesday 16th March. Myself and my girlfriend are due to go down from Issan to meet them at the airport in the afternoon and stay two nights in Bangkok. I'm just wondering what the popular thought on whether we should go ahead as planned or make alternative arrangements. My worry is that if there is any trouble spilling over into Tuesday it could affect their flight, or should they arrive ok, that traffic problems might make it difficult to leave the city altogether.

I was thinking of keeping an eye on how it progresses over the weekend and if things got messy to book onward flights for them up to Udon.

Any advice is hugely appreciated. Thanks a million!

I think it's highly unlikely that the airport will close. If there are major disturbances in Bangkok, I think they will not spread out to the airport on this occasion. You should be able to find an alternative route east/north-east of the airport which bypasses the majority of Bangkok. My only concern would be that if things look nasty, one or two airlines will cancel flights to Bangkok. Emirates is one such airline which often suspends flights to destinations during periods of civil disobedience in those destinations.

If you want to stay clear of any potential problems, then I would suggest staying as far away as possible from central Bangkok during the period of possible unrest. Find a hotel on the outskirts of the city or near the airport and you should be absolutely fine.

Yea, but will you find any taxis at the airport?

[ballpoint]

Yea, but will you find any taxis at the airport?

Wear a yellow shirt and they'll find you.

[rainman]

What newspaper came up with the term "maoist tactics" anyways?

[chantorn]

What will happen if the RED leaders ask all the protesters to dress in YELLOW to bypass the road blocks and security checks.

[featography]

What will happen if the RED leaders ask all the protesters to dress in YELLOW to bypass the road blocks and security checks.

No sharp and witty answer for that one.

I will offer a factual tidbit I gleened from a Red with close inside info when it comes to planning these rallies;

This time govt prohibited the bus lines from contracting with the Reds for transportation into Bangkok. In the past, they have used as many as 60+ tour busses to get the people to the rallies from all over the country. The Reds are forced this time, to use personal vehicles to get all to Bangkok. If there is a beef with the traffic congestion for those days, blame not the Reds. It is a govt thing, probably to undermine the cause and create animosity among the Bkk locals with Reds.

[animatic]

They are using Maoist tactics. They wear red. They seek to crush the educated "elites" a la the tragic Maoist cultural revolution. Coincidence? Are they communist revolutionaries in thin disguise? Look at what happened to some other countries in the general region in the last century when forces like this prevailed.

Huh! I wish! But unfortunately real socialists are about as common in Thailand as water is on the moon- hence why we had the unusual situation of the rural poor looking to a super-capitalist to liberate them from poverty and oppression.

Actually I have no problem with Maoists, and he is right - this is merely a major capitalist player manipulating people.

You have no problem with Maoist tactics? I seriously suggest you find yourself a bookstore and buy some books on the Chinese Cultural Revolution ..... or maybe start reciting the names of the 10's of millions of people that died because of Maoist policies.

You might rethink your answer.

Or more recent history in Nepal for instance.

Lets open the Shining Path center from mind control.

And get some ex Red Brigade instructors to man it.

And open the Troksky- Lenin reading room for the enlightened.

Near thre Gang of Four steam baths.

Next to the Papa Josip Broze Dinning room.

Maybe all those Indian Taylors can do specials on Mao jackets.

[neverdie]

What will happen if the RED leaders ask all the protesters to dress in YELLOW to bypass the road blocks and security checks.

No sharp and witty answer for that one.

I will offer a factual tidbit I gleened from a Red with close inside info when it comes to planning these rallies;

This time govt prohibited the bus lines from contracting with the Reds for transportation into Bangkok. In the past, they have used as many as 60+ tour busses to get the people to the rallies from all over the country. The Reds are forced this time, to use personal vehicles to get all to Bangkok. If there is a beef with the traffic congestion for those days, blame not the Reds. It is a govt thing, probably to undermine the cause and create animosity among the Bkk locals with Reds.

Mr featography....is there any reason by your writing has to be so big and red, its actually against the rulz here, didnt you notice that your the only one doing it?

[animatic]

What will happen if the RED leaders ask all the protesters to dress in YELLOW to bypass the road blocks and security checks.

No sharp and witty answer for that one.

I will offer a factual tidbit I gleened from a Red with close inside info when it comes to planning these rallies;

This time govt prohibited the bus lines from contracting with the Reds for transportation into Bangkok. In the past, they have used as many as 60+ tour busses to get the people to the rallies from all over the country. The Reds are forced this time, to use personal vehicles to get all to Bangkok. If there is a beef with the traffic congestion for those days, blame not the Reds. It is a govt thing, probably to undermine the cause and create animosity among the Bkk locals with Reds.

Or maybe just take OFF the red shirts and wear white or black and just buy bus tickets.

Isn't rocket science to get on a bus. And I fully expect regular passenger searches and

papers inspections on buses heading south all week.

[chantorn]

Please be careful when do discuss what happens in Nepal. Sometime such thing should not be discuss in Thailand, or face 15 years.

[Cayenne]

The Reds never do learn do they? When the party was over in April, didn't they realized that one of their so-called leaders Jatuporn promptly fled the scene then used his MP status to avoid arrest? Boy, talk about dedication to the cause and suffering like the rest of his comrades.

[animatic]

Please be careful when do discuss what happens in Nepal. Sometime such thing should not be discuss in Thailand, or face 15 years.

The advice was:

I seriously suggest you find yourself a bookstore and buy some books on the Chinese Cultural Revolution .....

Or more recent history in Nepal for instance.

Not to open a discussion of this here.

Actually LEARN about Maoist tactics.

Lets add the Columbian FARC to that reading list too.

[OZEMADE]

Well that shouldn't be too hard as you can hardly move in there on a normal day.

[Grey11]

well it seems to me with all these supposed plans it would be easy for the military to put a stop to a lot of it block the acess roads with their own trucks and tanks block the assembly areas and the demonstrations area the same with trucks tanks and what ever.

Let them walk into Bangkok they would all be too tired to demonstrate. Violence can be avoided if someone would use their head. And while they are walking check for wepons, explosives etc.

Certainly all buses loaded with Thaksin's Red Shirts should be stopped before reaching Bkk and searched by law enforcement. If weapons are found they should and can be seized. Those personally found to be carrying weapons should be arrested on the spot & taken to jail. Every bus coming into Bkk this week should be stopped & searched. The Reds want & need violence in their quest to overthrow the present government and put the criminal Thaksin back in power.

[wolf5370]

Yea, but will you find any taxis at the airport?

Wear a yellow shirt and they'll find you.

Now that was funny