New Pick-up

[stingray]

" Whats wrong with beige!!"

Strewth, its a pickup, want good interiors, go look at Jags or Mercs.

You can fork out over 950k Baht for a top of range Vigo and you still get a sea of plastic, plus beige, beige, beige!

The Ford Ranger black interior is about the best, used to be Isuzu but they too have surrended to beige!.

I think beige is great, reminds me of a luxury car, and feels light and airy where for me getting in a black or dark grey interior seems like your getting into a heavy goods vehicle. Any car or truck is a sea of plastic but it's how it's designed, Toyota got it pretty good but other trucks the dash is sort of in your face, even awkward. Just my thoughts.

after 6 months using the truck, beige look like 10 year old (dirty and ugly, specialy when u have kids). I had some black interiors which look great even they are 30 year old already. Black is the best to go.

[guzzi850m2]

Horses for courses, as they say. Admittedly my 4x4 auto Vigo is really just a run around BUT, it has got me out of trouble a few times, and it has got others in saloons out of trouble a few times so for me a good choice. Carted tons of cement and tiles and stuff up country, etc. Plus, being up high with good all round vision is great when sight seeing or trying to find something. Saying all that, living in the NE has many unexpected road problems that perhaps you do not have on a regular basis. l have to say this, your time WILL come when you think, oh god wish this was a 4x4 Vigo.

Well I don't need to card horses and tiles around, and for road problems no not yet. Yes nice to sit high but if you sacrifice that for road handling in the process, no thanks.

Yes maybe my time will come, but until then, sedan, thanks.

[basjke]

Toyota Vigo 4 wheel drive, auto, diesel, black, it's the dogs <deleted> as far as I'm concerned for me, bought mine 2 years ago ( wife's name ) haven't any problems at all, and just purrs along!! Interest only 2.85%p/a, why would you pay cash?

I'm going to buy another one for me when I come and live permanently in Thailand in a couple of years

If your looking for something to hold it's value you can't go past the Vigo. It's as simple as that

We have tried to tell him.

Ahh haa sorry boys but why do you drive/buy these pick-up trucks anyway? I drive a modest Honda City and it is very compy. Okay the roads are flooded in Patts app. 5 days a year, but I can use other means of transport during the period so buying a truck just for that would be mad.

Unless you are living in a "farm" whats the purpose of these vehicles??

Driving a bit around LOS I find my sedan just fine for that.

My next car will be a sedan too unless you can convince me to buy something else!!

Okay now you gonna slam me, but lets hear it then

The reason I buy a pick up,my second one,isn't because the roads are flooded but for the potholes everywhere.I had 4 sedans in Thailand previously and at that time I also laughed with those wth a truck.But you get bored when every 2 km it sounds like if your suspension is gonna brake down because you just drove through one of those thousands potholes.By the way the roads aren't getting any bettter at the moment.As soon as I had my current truck I knew this is the only car that fits Thai roads.

[basjke]

Toyota Vigo 4 wheel drive, auto, diesel, black, it's the dogs <deleted> as far as I'm concerned for me, bought mine 2 years ago ( wife's name ) haven't any problems at all, and just purrs along!! Interest only 2.85%p/a, why would you pay cash?

I'm going to buy another one for me when I come and live permanently in Thailand in a couple of years

If your looking for something to hold it's value you can't go past the Vigo. It's as simple as that

We have tried to tell him.

yeah, 70k more, and you get cruise, VSC, powerseat, better brakes, much better 17" wheels and Toyota quality. Not to mention resale and aftermarket and 3000cc low end tourque

Well doing some research the Navara seems to be the most popular truck in Europe so qestion why it isn't the vigo overthere.Cruise control is in my opinion useless in Thailand,correct me if I'm wrong.I'm not aware what means powerseat but I assume it is electric seats,I never have to adjust the seat in my current truck so what is the advantage of it?From the brochure which is in thai I can't exactly figure out what the vsc stands for but I assume it is something similar to EBD and/or LSD which are futures on the Navara.Can't comment on the brakes since I haven't driven any of the mentioned models but I would be surprised if the brakes from the Nissan weren't good.I agree with you about the resale value but at the end I paid also 70.000 less in the first place and when I look at the second hand car websites I don't see a difference that exeeds that amount on a 3 year old vigo versus navara.Last but not least,the current vigo will be an old model in 2 years already when they launch the new one but I still try to figure out how many years more it will take before the navara is changed.

I'm open to your arguments and hope you correct me if I'm wrong.

[thailoht]

Doesn't look like there are any major changes expected for the Isuzu D-Max this year.

There are rumors of a new D-Max for 2011, but that shouldn't be released until the end of next year.

I am interested in following any upcoming and projected changes expected in the Isuzu lineup - especially their engines. Do you know where I can get this info?

[thailoht]

Doesn't look like there are any major changes expected for the Isuzu D-Max this year.

There are rumors of a new D-Max for 2011, but that shouldn't be released until the end of next year.

I am interested in following any upcoming and projected changes expected in the Isuzu lineup - especially their engines. Do you know where I can get this info?

[katabeachbum]

Toyota Vigo 4 wheel drive, auto, diesel, black, it's the dogs <deleted> as far as I'm concerned for me, bought mine 2 years ago ( wife's name ) haven't any problems at all, and just purrs along!! Interest only 2.85%p/a, why would you pay cash?

I'm going to buy another one for me when I come and live permanently in Thailand in a couple of years

If your looking for something to hold it's value you can't go past the Vigo. It's as simple as that

We have tried to tell him.

yeah, 70k more, and you get cruise, VSC, powerseat, better brakes, much better 17" wheels and Toyota quality. Not to mention resale and aftermarket and 3000cc low end tourque

Well doing some research the Navara seems to be the most popular truck in Europe so qestion why it isn't the vigo overthere.Cruise control is in my opinion useless in Thailand,correct me if I'm wrong.I'm not aware what means powerseat but I assume it is electric seats,I never have to adjust the seat in my current truck so what is the advantage of it?From the brochure which is in thai I can't exactly figure out what the vsc stands for but I assume it is something similar to EBD and/or LSD which are futures on the Navara.Can't comment on the brakes since I haven't driven any of the mentioned models but I would be surprised if the brakes from the Nissan weren't good.I agree with you about the resale value but at the end I paid also 70.000 less in the first place and when I look at the second hand car websites I don't see a difference that exeeds that amount on a 3 year old vigo versus navara.Last but not least,the current vigo will be an old model in 2 years already when they launch the new one but I still try to figure out how many years more it will take before the navara is changed.

I'm open to your arguments and hope you correct me if I'm wrong.

Cruisecontrol depends on your driving, but I use it most of the time on highway to give my right leg a break.

Both come with EBD (electronic brake distribution), which is a must for a vehicle used empty but able to load one ton.

VSC(vehicle stability control) is Toyotas name for ESP(electronic stability program). Electronics sense loss of traction and apply one ore more brakes/and/or throttle to stay on the road.

Navara has good brakes, only Vigo since November 2009 has better. In combination with the 17" road biased Dueller Vigo handles and brakes much better.

Navara was my second choise when I got a new Vigo October 2009. 5 speed auto and price advantage. But the low end tourque and flexibility of the 3000cc in addition to above won.

Even if a new Vigo appears in 2 years, I believe resale will still be good. Just look at 2004 and older Tiger/Sportscruiser. Then look at 2004 and older Nissan pickups. Price new where the same.

As for sales in Europe, Nissans 2500cc has tax advantages. Here it doesnt. Globally, Toyota pickups has been the bestseller for decades, and still is. Considered the most reliable vehicle in the world. For decades. In most countries in Africa they have more than 80% of the market. In Thailand its 40%.

[culicine]

Horses for courses, as they say. Admittedly my 4x4 auto Vigo is really just a run around BUT, it has got me out of trouble a few times, and it has got others in saloons out of trouble a few times so for me a good choice. Carted tons of cement and tiles and stuff up country, etc. Plus, being up high with good all round vision is great when sight seeing or trying to find something. Saying all that, living in the NE has many unexpected road problems that perhaps you do not have on a regular basis. l have to say this, your time WILL come when you think, oh god wish this was a 4x4 Vigo.

Well I don't need to card horses and tiles around, and for road problems no not yet. Yes nice to sit high but if you sacrifice that for road handling in the process, no thanks.

Yes maybe my time will come, but until then, sedan, thanks.

No, l don't cart horses around, 'horses for courses' is a saying.

Road holding in the 'modern' Vigo with all it's high tech suspension/braking aids is very little difference to the average saloon, well, that's from my driving perspective, unless your a bit of a rally driver. You just might be surprised if you drove the latest offerings, especially the 4x4 on demand option.

How about the brakes in new pickups? I drove my brother-in-laws triton plus and any hard braking would cause the rear brakes to lock. I was never confident stopping at high speeds in it. This was when it's unladen, and I assumes that's the main problem - no weight in the back). The pros of it was the ride height and good torque. The cons includes almost no visibility out the back due to the large bed cover, and sheer large size and lack of maneuverability - not great for darting in and out of traffic, where I normally drive.

To me, they should start to push more diesel sedans onto the market in Thailand - the benefits of diesel while comfort of a sedan. It seems, though, that the old mentality of diesels being noisy and unrefined, and should only belong in pickups, still exists here. There's only the ford focus tdci - would love one but don't want to pay the premium it commands - and due for replacement in a couple of years, and more upmarket cars that are out of the price range of most people here.

[katabeachbum]

Horses for courses, as they say. Admittedly my 4x4 auto Vigo is really just a run around BUT, it has got me out of trouble a few times, and it has got others in saloons out of trouble a few times so for me a good choice. Carted tons of cement and tiles and stuff up country, etc. Plus, being up high with good all round vision is great when sight seeing or trying to find something. Saying all that, living in the NE has many unexpected road problems that perhaps you do not have on a regular basis. l have to say this, your time WILL come when you think, oh god wish this was a 4x4 Vigo.

Well I don't need to card horses and tiles around, and for road problems no not yet. Yes nice to sit high but if you sacrifice that for road handling in the process, no thanks.

Yes maybe my time will come, but until then, sedan, thanks.

No, l don't cart horses around, 'horses for courses' is a saying.

Road holding in the 'modern' Vigo with all it's high tech suspension/braking aids is very little difference to the average saloon, well, that's from my driving perspective, unless your a bit of a rally driver. You just might be surprised if you drove the latest offerings, especially the 4x4 on demand option.

How about the brakes in new pickups? I drove my brother-in-laws triton plus and any hard braking would cause the rear brakes to lock. I was never confident stopping at high speeds in it. This was when it's unladen, and I assumes that's the main problem - no weight in the back). The pros of it was the ride height and good torque. The cons includes almost no visibility out the back due to the large bed cover, and sheer large size and lack of maneuverability - not great for darting in and out of traffic, where I normally drive.

To me, they should start to push more diesel sedans onto the market in Thailand - the benefits of diesel while comfort of a sedan. It seems, though, that the old mentality of diesels being noisy and unrefined, and should only belong in pickups, still exists here. There's only the ford focus tdci - would love one but don't want to pay the premium it commands - and due for replacement in a couple of years, and more upmarket cars that are out of the price range of most people here.

Triton. Tiny brakes, even 14inch rims fit, and no EBD, thus rear brakes locking when not loaded

Navara and Vigo much larger brakes, thus 16inch rims smallest possible to use. EBD is essential for stopping distance. ABS is not.

[basjke]

Cruisecontrol depends on your driving, but I use it most of the time on highway to give my right leg a break.

Both come with EBD (electronic brake distribution), which is a must for a vehicle used empty but able to load one ton.

VSC(vehicle stability control) is Toyotas name for ESP(electronic stability program). Electronics sense loss of traction and apply one ore more brakes/and/or throttle to stay on the road.

Navara has good brakes, only Vigo since November 2009 has better. In combination with the 17" road biased Dueller Vigo handles and brakes much better.

Navara was my second choise when I got a new Vigo October 2009. 5 speed auto and price advantage. But the low end tourque and flexibility of the 3000cc in addition to above won.

Even if a new Vigo appears in 2 years, I believe resale will still be good. Just look at 2004 and older Tiger/Sportscruiser. Then look at 2004 and older Nissan pickups. Price new where the same.

As for sales in Europe, Nissans 2500cc has tax advantages. Here it doesnt. Globally, Toyota pickups has been the bestseller for decades, and still is. Considered the most reliable vehicle in the world. For decades. In most countries in Africa they have more than 80% of the market. In Thailand its 40%.

Pardon my ignorance but I had a look at the one2car website today as I think it is a good reference for secondhand prices and I didn't see any signifcant difference in prices between pre 2004 toyota and nissan pick ups.

[katabeachbum]

Cruisecontrol depends on your driving, but I use it most of the time on highway to give my right leg a break.

Both come with EBD (electronic brake distribution), which is a must for a vehicle used empty but able to load one ton.

VSC(vehicle stability control) is Toyotas name for ESP(electronic stability program). Electronics sense loss of traction and apply one ore more brakes/and/or throttle to stay on the road.

Navara has good brakes, only Vigo since November 2009 has better. In combination with the 17" road biased Dueller Vigo handles and brakes much better.

Navara was my second choise when I got a new Vigo October 2009. 5 speed auto and price advantage. But the low end tourque and flexibility of the 3000cc in addition to above won.

Even if a new Vigo appears in 2 years, I believe resale will still be good. Just look at 2004 and older Tiger/Sportscruiser. Then look at 2004 and older Nissan pickups. Price new where the same.

As for sales in Europe, Nissans 2500cc has tax advantages. Here it doesnt. Globally, Toyota pickups has been the bestseller for decades, and still is. Considered the most reliable vehicle in the world. For decades. In most countries in Africa they have more than 80% of the market. In Thailand its 40%.

Pardon my ignorance but I had a look at the one2car website today as I think it is a good reference for secondhand prices and I didn't see any signifcant difference in prices between pre 2004 toyota and nissan pick ups.

havent looked at any website, but real sales seem to be 500k for toyota 4 door 3,0 auto 4x4, why nissans similar (only 105hp though) struggles to fetch 300k.

[basjke]

Cruisecontrol depends on your driving, but I use it most of the time on highway to give my right leg a break.

Both come with EBD (electronic brake distribution), which is a must for a vehicle used empty but able to load one ton.

VSC(vehicle stability control) is Toyotas name for ESP(electronic stability program). Electronics sense loss of traction and apply one ore more brakes/and/or throttle to stay on the road.

Navara has good brakes, only Vigo since November 2009 has better. In combination with the 17" road biased Dueller Vigo handles and brakes much better.

Navara was my second choise when I got a new Vigo October 2009. 5 speed auto and price advantage. But the low end tourque and flexibility of the 3000cc in addition to above won.

Even if a new Vigo appears in 2 years, I believe resale will still be good. Just look at 2004 and older Tiger/Sportscruiser. Then look at 2004 and older Nissan pickups. Price new where the same.

As for sales in Europe, Nissans 2500cc has tax advantages. Here it doesnt. Globally, Toyota pickups has been the bestseller for decades, and still is. Considered the most reliable vehicle in the world. For decades. In most countries in Africa they have more than 80% of the market. In Thailand its 40%.

Pardon my ignorance but I had a look at the one2car website today as I think it is a good reference for secondhand prices and I didn't see any signifcant difference in prices between pre 2004 toyota and nissan pick ups.

havent looked at any website, but real sales seem to be 500k for toyota 4 door 3,0 auto 4x4, why nissans similar (only 105hp though) struggles to fetch 300k.

A hilux tiger 4 doors 4wd AT 2004 are quoted between 430.000 and 470.000 Baht.Can't find a similar Nissan but a 2005 4 doors 4wd MT is quoted 399.000 Baht.

Edit to addd: Just found this Topic in which you also posted previously.

[katabeachbum]

Cruisecontrol depends on your driving, but I use it most of the time on highway to give my right leg a break.

Both come with EBD (electronic brake distribution), which is a must for a vehicle used empty but able to load one ton.

VSC(vehicle stability control) is Toyotas name for ESP(electronic stability program). Electronics sense loss of traction and apply one ore more brakes/and/or throttle to stay on the road.

Navara has good brakes, only Vigo since November 2009 has better. In combination with the 17" road biased Dueller Vigo handles and brakes much better.

Navara was my second choise when I got a new Vigo October 2009. 5 speed auto and price advantage. But the low end tourque and flexibility of the 3000cc in addition to above won.

Even if a new Vigo appears in 2 years, I believe resale will still be good. Just look at 2004 and older Tiger/Sportscruiser. Then look at 2004 and older Nissan pickups. Price new where the same.

As for sales in Europe, Nissans 2500cc has tax advantages. Here it doesnt. Globally, Toyota pickups has been the bestseller for decades, and still is. Considered the most reliable vehicle in the world. For decades. In most countries in Africa they have more than 80% of the market. In Thailand its 40%.

Pardon my ignorance but I had a look at the one2car website today as I think it is a good reference for secondhand prices and I didn't see any signifcant difference in prices between pre 2004 toyota and nissan pick ups.

havent looked at any website, but real sales seem to be 500k for toyota 4 door 3,0 auto 4x4, why nissans similar (only 105hp though) struggles to fetch 300k.

A hilux tiger 4 doors 4wd AT 2004 are quoted between 430.000 and 470.000 Baht.Can't find a similar Nissan but a 2005 4 doors 4wd MT is quoted 399.000 Baht.

tiger is the cheap one, top of the line was sportscruiser/sportsrider(forget which one is pickup and suv) at 850k, same as nissans top of the line. 299k to get any calls on nissan, 490k for the toyota, here in phuket

[basjke]

tiger is the cheap one, top of the line was sportscruiser/sportsrider(forget which one is pickup and suv) at 850k, same as nissans top of the line. 299k to get any calls on nissan, 490k for the toyota, here in phuket

You are right my quote also was for a sportscruiser,I made the mistake because i was previously looking in the hilux tiger section and they make less then 400.000 for the same spec.

[katabeachbum]

tiger is the cheap one, top of the line was sportscruiser/sportsrider(forget which one is pickup and suv) at 850k, same as nissans top of the line. 299k to get any calls on nissan, 490k for the toyota, here in phuket

You are right my quote also was for a sportscruiser,I made the mistake because i was previously looking in the hilux tiger section and they make less then 400.000 for the same spec.

well anyway, at least we agree Navara and Vigo are the best buys new top of the line

[basjke]

Toyota Vigo 4 wheel drive, auto, diesel, black, it's the dogs <deleted> as far as I'm concerned for me, bought mine 2 years ago ( wife's name ) haven't any problems at all, and just purrs along!! Interest only 2.85%p/a, why would you pay cash?

I'm going to buy another one for me when I come and live permanently in Thailand in a couple of years

If your looking for something to hold it's value you can't go past the Vigo. It's as simple as that

We have tried to tell him.

yeah, 70k more, and you get cruise, VSC, powerseat, better brakes, much better 17" wheels and Toyota quality. Not to mention resale and aftermarket and 3000cc low end tourque

Excuse me if I misunderstand the spec but it seems that the Navara 2500 cc has more horsepower and higher tourque then the vigo 3000 cc.Is this correct or does low end torque has another meaning.( I'm notr a native english speaker)

[katabeachbum]

Toyota Vigo 4 wheel drive, auto, diesel, black, it's the dogs <deleted> as far as I'm concerned for me, bought mine 2 years ago ( wife's name ) haven't any problems at all, and just purrs along!! Interest only 2.85%p/a, why would you pay cash?

I'm going to buy another one for me when I come and live permanently in Thailand in a couple of years

If your looking for something to hold it's value you can't go past the Vigo. It's as simple as that

We have tried to tell him.

yeah, 70k more, and you get cruise, VSC, powerseat, better brakes, much better 17" wheels and Toyota quality. Not to mention resale and aftermarket and 3000cc low end tourque

Excuse me if I misunderstand the spec but it seems that the Navara 2500 cc has more horsepower and higher tourque then the vigo 3000 cc.Is this correct or does low end torque has another meaning.( I'm notr a native english speaker)

navara 4x4 has more hp and peak tourque at 2000rpm. however every test I have read, and my own experience, is that Vigo 3,0 has more tourque from 1400rpm and a more flexible strong enginepower. Navara has peaks at 2000rpm and 4000 rpm, while toyotas 3,0 has same flat torque 1400rpm to 3400 rpm and max hp at only 3600 rpm while reving 4200 rpm. smoother and stronger.

[tigerbalm]

Any positive or negative comments on the Nissan navara?

Aaaah, Quick, where's the bucket, oooops, too late, where's the mop . (sorry, done that one before).

Nissan Navara.

Best selling pick up in Europe

6 speed Manual or 5 peed Auto as opposed to Toyota's 5 speed manual and 4 speed auto

Biggest pick up available in Thailand

Lots of power with 144HP and 174HP from the 2.5 Diesel as say opposed to the 120 HP from the Toyota 2.5 Ltr or 163 HP from the 3.0 Ltr Diesel

Looks Great.

Leather standard on some models.

Their are some positive points to start with the only negative points i can come up with are Dealership issues, mainly that the dealership network around Thailand, mainly in the provinces are not as wide spread as those of Toyota and D Max which is one of the big reasons Thais choose Toyota and D Max, but saying that these two have good reliability records as does the Nissan Navara.

The other i suppose negative point with Pick ups other than Toyota and Dmax is resale values because of their popularity and extensive dealer ship net work, these tend to command higher second hand prices.

Regarding the more torque issue from the Toyota's 164Hp 3.0 Ltr than the Nissan's 174HP 2.5 Hp this may or may not be the case but i think i read some where that all 3.0 Ltr Diesel engines will be shortly phased out in favor of 2.5 Ltr Diesels, i think it has some thing to do with the new EEC emission regulations coming in shortly

TB

[katabeachbum]

Any positive or negative comments on the Nissan navara?

Aaaah, Quick, where's the bucket, oooops, too late, where's the mop . (sorry, done that one before).

Nissan Navara.

Best selling pick up in Europe, in some countries only due to lower taxes with 2,5 engine. Vigo is best selling pickup in LOS, in Asia and in Africa. Reliability and service network.

Biggest pick up available in Thailand, but cramped rear seat

Lots of power with 144HP and 174HP from the 2.5 Diesel as say opposed to the 120 HP from the Toyota 2.5 Ltr or 163 HP from the 3.0 Ltr Wrong. Diesel Vigo 2,5 VN is 144hp and 340 Nm, and for 2wd only like Navara

all 3.0 Ltr Diesel engines will be shortly phased out in favor of 2.5 Ltr Diesels, i think it has some thing to do with the new EEC emission regulations coming in shortly. Nope

3,0 and 2,5 vigo with EU ECU qualifies for todays Euro IV, to be introduced in LOS 2010

I agree Vigos lack of 5speed auto seems like a drawback, a mainreason for me to consider Navara when ordering new pickup last year. But 4 speed auto doing only 3000rpm cruising 160kmh works just fine in real world

Navaras 70k lower price would be the only real reason for me to get it over Vigo

[basjke]

Maybe another reason to choose the Navara is that the manufacturer supports the use of B5.Toyota as far as I've heard doesn't and seems to have problems with the use of it.

[katabeachbum]

Maybe another reason to choose the Navara is that the manufacturer supports the use of B5.Toyota as far as I've heard doesn't and seems to have problems with the use of it.

Toyota supports B5 since november 2009. I have not seen any reports on B5 issues with Toyota prior to November 2009 either, neither in EU or here. Toyota was using commonrail 3 years before any other LOS pickup, wich again is 3 years after EU, and I have not seen any reports on Toyota commonrail issues

Actually I belive Navara and Vigo is using the same commonrail from Denso, but Navara choosing another ECU setup for peak performance while Toyota focus on smooth power. In reality they perform equally, but Vigo 3,0 smoother from lower rpm. Toyotas 2,5 VN feels rather identical to Navara 144hp, and performs identically

[phutoie2]

The new Toyota 2.5VN engine is only available so far in the Smart cab/Double cab Prerunner and the 2.5 4x4 Smart cab/Double cab.

The normal Vigo Hi-Lux has the 2.5G and E models with the 120/3600 engine, they also have the 3.0L engine too, plus some other variants, eg a petrol 2.7.

These are the models that the Nissan Navara 4 x 2 version should be compared with.

Nissan some time back brought out the Calibre version of the Navara which is their raised up model to compete with the Toyota Prerunner, amongst others makes (Hi Rider/Hi Racer/Hi Lander). My own view is that Nissan had some spare 4 x4 bodies and they just put the 144 spec engine used in the 4 x 2. The dimensions/weight & wheel/tyre size of the Calibre are all bigger than the standard Navara model. The 2010 Calibre now has a special edition white DVD version, I wonder where they got that idea from!!.

Nissan will put a auto gear box in the Calibre too!, something that Toyota will not do in the Prerunner model, there was a long topic on TV about this some years back now. Toyota's response that there was no requirement for it to be fitted, I do'nt think there were any technical reasons not to do so.

There was some "rumours" coming out of the recent motor show that manufacturers 3.0L diesel engines in the pickup scene would be discontinued after 2014. New regulations coming in, but again only show banter!! it seems.

[katabeachbum]

My own view is that Nissan had some spare 4 x4 bodies

same body, same frame,

Caliber white peral with H3 chromed grill looks really good, nearly hummer

OP has so far focused on 4x4 auto 4 door, and Navara thats 2,5 and Vigo 3,0, so vigos low cost 2,5/120hp is not in focus here

[Juzrelax]

I sell Ranger's in Aus and their a good vehicle, of the one ones that I have sold over the past 2 years there has been no complaints from people.

They are built in Thailand so I assume they are the same there as they are here.

Have a look at www.ford.com.au

[tigerbalm]

Any positive or negative comments on the Nissan navara?

Aaaah, Quick, where's the bucket, oooops, too late, where's the mop . (sorry, done that one before).

Nissan Navara.

Best selling pick up in Europe, in some countries only due to lower taxes with 2,5 engine. Vigo is best selling pickup in LOS, in Asia and in Africa. Reliability and service network.

Biggest pick up available in Thailand, but cramped rear seat

Lots of power with 144HP and 174HP from the 2.5 Diesel as say opposed to the 120 HP from the Toyota 2.5 Ltr or 163 HP from the 3.0 Ltr Wrong. Diesel Vigo 2,5 VN is 144hp and 340 Nm, and for 2wd only like Navara

all 3.0 Ltr Diesel engines will be shortly phased out in favor of 2.5 Ltr Diesels, i think it has some thing to do with the new EEC emission regulations coming in shortly. Nope

3,0 and 2,5 vigo with EU ECU qualifies for todays Euro IV, to be introduced in LOS 2010

I agree Vigos lack of 5speed auto seems like a drawback, a mainreason for me to consider Navara when ordering new pickup last year. But 4 speed auto doing only 3000rpm cruising 160kmh works just fine in real world

Navaras 70k lower price would be the only real reason for me to get it over Vigo

Hi i was quoting out put figures from Red Book (Example) http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/th/vehic...O09CZ&new=1

Regarding the Toyota Engine specs which differ from your figures the only reason i can see their is a difference is the red Book figures are for 2009 models perhaps the 2010 Toyota Engines have been upgraded. Is this the case?

I cant comment on the rear seat space but it would not realy concern me as i would be Driving it, i suppose if i wanted rear seat room i would purchase a 4 Door, just a follow up on 2 door open cabs, i was told that it is against the law to carry passengers in the rear, probably explains why no seat bets are fitted, can any one comment on this?

[katabeachbum]

Nissan Navara.

Best selling pick up in Europe, in some countries only due to lower taxes with 2,5 engine. Vigo is best selling pickup in LOS, in Asia and in Africa. Reliability and service network.

Biggest pick up available in Thailand, but cramped rear seat

Lots of power with 144HP and 174HP from the 2.5 Diesel as say opposed to the 120 HP from the Toyota 2.5 Ltr or 163 HP from the 3.0 Ltr Wrong. Diesel Vigo 2,5 VN is 144hp and 340 Nm, and for 2wd only like Navara

all 3.0 Ltr Diesel engines will be shortly phased out in favor of 2.5 Ltr Diesels, i think it has some thing to do with the new EEC emission regulations coming in shortly. Nope

3,0 and 2,5 vigo with EU ECU qualifies for todays Euro IV, to be introduced in LOS 2010

I agree Vigos lack of 5speed auto seems like a drawback, a mainreason for me to consider Navara when ordering new pickup last year. But 4 speed auto doing only 3000rpm cruising 160kmh works just fine in real world

Navaras 70k lower price would be the only real reason for me to get it over Vigo

Hi i was quoting out put figures from Red Book (Example) http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/th/vehic...O09CZ&new=1

Regarding the Toyota Engine specs which differ from your figures the only reason i can see their is a difference is the red Book figures are for 2009 models perhaps the 2010 Toyota Engines have been upgraded. Is this the case?

I cant comment on the rear seat space but it would not realy concern me as i would be Driving it, i suppose if i wanted rear seat room i would purchase a 4 Door, just a follow up on 2 door open cabs, i was told that it is against the law to carry passengers in the rear, probably explains why no seat bets are fitted, can any one comment on this?

2,5 VN and 3,0 VN upgraded late 2009. some sold as 2009 model. 2,5 increase in power, while 3,0 still uses old ECU giving same power in LOS since late 2004. To much bother to make a new emision and homoleg for the extra 3,0 power available in EU I guess. Lazy Toyota

OP is looking for a 4 door, and Vigo has a much better rearseat and access.

2 doors and 2+2 are registered and insured for 2 people only, but presently rearbench passangers are still accepted. rearseat seatbelts are not mandatory in LOS. passangers on the bed are not accepted on expressway.

[Spoonman]

I sell Ranger's in Aus and their a good vehicle, of the one ones that I have sold over the past 2 years there has been no complaints from people.

They are built in Thailand so I assume they are the same there as they are here.

Have a look at www.ford.com.au

I work with Rangers here in Thailand (modify for export) on a daily basis, they are a decent vehicle, the problem in Thailand though is the Ford name is not liked, hence they sell poorly and have even worse resale value.

[Zstarx]

I thought people who buy the Navara only do so, because they can't afford a Vigo

[tigerbalm]

ok so the Navara is about 70k cheaper than the Toyota No problems with the reliability Nissan has been making Diesel engines since the dawn of time , biggest truck on the market lower priced varients available with leather, ok the rear cab is a little bit smaller than some of its competitors but hey who's in the back 6'6 120 kilo farrangs? then yes this may have a slight disadvantage but if it is 2 or 3 , 5 foot 48 kilo Thais then whats the problem.

5 speed auto 6 speed manual gear boxes available, electronic switchable 4x4 instead of the old second gear leaver that most other trucks retain,if you need a 4x4 then you must be hauling some heavy bags of fertilizer for distribution around your 50 rai of rubber trees located on some out of the way place with dirt roads in the rainy season, if your in Pattaya or Bangkok then forget a 4x4.

Navara also looks good .

One thing on the interest rates forget all the 2.7% it realy means 2.7% per year multiply that by how many years you take out the finance and that's the true figure

[powderpuff]

You do like your slushboxes.