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Mother Of All Gushers Could Kill Earth's Oceans

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CNN, July 9. 2010: Rush Transcript Excerpt Susan Shaw, Marine Toxicologist: If I can tell you what happens -- because i was in the oil -- to people... Shrimpers throwing their nets into water... [then] water from the nets splashed on his skin. ... [He experienced a] headache that lasted 3 weeks... heart palpitations... muscle spasms... bleeding from the rectum... And that's what that Corexit does, it ruptures red blood cells, causes internal bleeding, and liver and kidney damage. ... This stuff is so toxic combined... not the oil or dispersants alone. ... Very, very toxic and goes right through skin.

In spite of EPA's request/order to NOT use this chemical in May, BP declined (mainly because they could procure it cheaply through their subsidiary, Nalco) and the govt. stood by idly in collusion. They supposedly moved to a less toxic composition around that time but many of the components contained within are trade secrets (what is known is that it contains 2-butoxyethanol, a proprietary organic sulfonate and small concentrations of propylene glycol, which is incidentally the least toxic of all 3 chemicals). It's time for the investigations to begin. I wonder if this will be the catalyst that gets Americans to march on Washington en masse. There is the potential for this to get into the stratosphere (I'm sure it's already there) and rain down all over the southeast and eastern seaboard doing untold levels of ecologic damage (welcome to the fascistic science experiment). There have already been reports of damaged crops all throughout the southeast, not to mention individual reports of toxic rain.

" the Obama administration has made it a felony to get near enough to oiled wildlife and beaches to film them."

Sad but appropriate that a side effect is rectal bleeding because humanity is being raped on this one by BP, Obama administration & big oil $$$

The last areal video I saw, there were 6 plumes of smoke,gas etc including the main wellhead blow out. They appeared to be within one half mile of the original blowout.

I worked on a similar situation many years ago (not as prolific production as seen here) and it was on land. The high pressure gas blowing out eroded the surface string integrity (cement) and charged up a water sand relatively close to the surface. The result was multiple mud geysers over a square mile area being fed by the original blowout A directional well was drilled and the problem well was plugged. The mud geysers, once the source of high pressure gas (about 500 psi) was eliminated, became inactive and finally just dried up. The shallow water sand which fed the geysers was ruined as a water source for several years. This was a relatively clean well (natural gas production), low pressure, no oil, H2S, etc in relation to the GOM well.

The old home town I lived near had a refinery, which stored gasoline in huge storage tanks which over time developed leaks. The gasoline was pumped out of water wells up to a half mile from the refinery. The pressure involved was a fraction of that in the GOM well so contamination of water sands is a real possibility, as well as the other known, visible problems.

The operative word here is back-pressure, not pressure. This new fix on capping the well is on-hold, as it should be. At least until the relief wells are finished. Otherwise what is presently a disaster could be even more catastrophic.

What a horrible situation for those poor people living there.

The Gulf is a cesspool.

This woman reminds me of the character "Mom" from that old Doctor Detroit movie with Dan Akroyd, remember that one? While trying to find a picture of her from the movie, I learned that the actress who played Mom, Kate Murtagh, is also the waitress pictured on the cover of Supertramp's album Breakfast in America. Probably interesting only to me but I thought I would share all the same. Carry on. :)

Who would tell the truth about what and how much was being released into the Gulf?

An oil company? - probably not. They don't want to look any worse than they already do.

The government? - probably not. They don't want their failure to act an even bigger mistake.

Green Peace or some other environmental group? - probably not. They always make it out to be worse than it is \.

All we know for sure it that it isn't good, needs to be stopped ASAP and cleaned up as much as possible.

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needs to be stopped ASAP and cleaned up as much as possible.

Agreed & there in lies the problems...

can it be stopped?

If not what is the long term possibilities? Mass exodus or worse from surrounding areas?

What is occurring under the water now?

Clean up?

What has corexit created once mixed with the crude? Long term heath risks to all involved?

The list goes on & on & on

It is not like I expect the government to actually have its citizens health & welfare #1 on their list but it would be nice.

But to have BP dong any of the measuring is like having the fox count the hens left in the hen house.

Of course an independent study is what is called for.Perhaps making it an open study to the scientific community would be a start.

Now that BP has finally stopped the blowout in spite of the Obama Administration, perhaps the clean-up can proceed with a minimum of bureaucratic red tape. I looked today and it seems the sky really isn't falling after all.

One thing I have been wondering lately is, what has killed more birds during the past five years...Oil in the Gulf or wind turbines?

Now that BP has finally stopped the blowout in spite of the Obama Administration, perhaps the clean-up can proceed with a minimum of bureaucratic red tape. I looked today and it seems the sky really isn't falling after all.

One thing I have been wondering lately is, what has killed more birds during the past five years...Oil in the Gulf or wind turbines?

not sure on bird kills, but oil has done more damage by far overall

more BP scandal on links to the 1988 Lockerbie bomber being released

US Senators Seek Probe Into Alleged BP Link to Lockerbie Release

VOA News

14 July 2010

Four U.S. senators have asked the U.S. State Department to investigate whether oil giant BP pressured Britain to free the only man convicted in the 1988 Lockerbie bombing to protect an oil deal with Libya.

In a letter Tuesday to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the senators said evidence from the ongoing oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico seems to suggest that BP would, in their words, "put profit ahead of people."

The lawmakers say it was reported in September that BP communicated to the British government concerns that possible delays in the release of Lockerbie bomber Abdel Baset al-Megrahi could jeopardize a $900 million oil deal with Libya.

On Tuesday, BP said it is public record that it discussed with the British government in 2007 its concern about the pace of finalizing a prisoner transfer deal with Libya. But BP said it did not mention the Megrahi case.

Former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has said there was no "double-dealing" linked to Megrahi's release from a Scottish prison in August 2009.

The U.S. senators who signed the letter were Democrats Kirsten Gillibrand and Charles Schumer of New York and Frank Lautenberg and Robert Menendez of New Jersey.

Scottish authorities freed Megrahi on compassionate grounds after doctors diagnosed him with terminal prostate cancer. His release drew international outrage and strong protests from U.S. leaders and families of the bombing victims.

The bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, killed 270 people.

The ongoing oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico was a result of an explosion on a rig leased by BP. The April 20 blast killed 11 workers. BP has been leading the cleanup efforts.

Of course an independent study is what is called for.Perhaps making it an open study to the scientific community would be a start.

An independent study from the scientific community? Is that even possible? They get their funding from corporations, governments, or some other organization that will have a vested interest in the outcome.

That is why I say these studies are pointless, timewasting distractions since they will never reveal the truth. Let them continue in the background, just don't pay too much attention to the results at this time. Instead, focus on the three core things we know are true - the leak is not a good thing, it needs to be stopped, the Gulf & beaches need to be cleaned. AFTER that has been done, then let the finger pointers, lawyers, and politicians do what they do best.

needs to be stopped ASAP and cleaned up as much as possible.

Agreed & there in lies the problems...

can it be stopped?

It appears they have done just that. I'm surprised. I expected it to run out before they figured out how to do it.

It kind of looks all peaceful and calm down there. Look at all the fishy wishies swimming around and having a good time.

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/Enterprise_ROV_1.html

Perhaps now someone might find the time to look at Nigeria which is virtually drowning in oil spills.

Hopefully we will not have to put up this anymore - it sounds like some squeal after complaining about a one night stand.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/07/06/ac.kaye.depressed.in.nola.cnn/

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needs to be stopped ASAP and cleaned up as much as possible.

Agreed & there in lies the problems...

can it be stopped?

It appears they have done just that. I'm surprised. I expected it to run out before they figured out how to do it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100715/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill

It is a temp solution but lets hope it holds.....

If engineers see any sign of a new leak, the cap will be reopened, allowing oil to spill into the sea again.

Even if the well holds out for the whole two days, the vents will be opened again and oil released while engineers conduct a seismic survey of the ocean floor to make sure oil and gas aren't breaking out of the well into the bedrock

"For the people living on the Gulf, I'm certainly not going to guess their emotions," BP vice president Kent Wells said. "I hope they're encouraged there's no oil going into the Gulf of Mexico. But we have to be careful. Depending on what the test shows us, we may need to open this well back up."

Either way, the cap is only a temporary fix until a relief well can be drilled into the bedrock and cement and mud can be pumped into the broken well deep underground, creating a seal that will hold more securely. BP expects to complete a relief well by mid-August, and perhaps as early as the end of this month.

27,000 Abandoned Gulf Oil Wells May Be Leaking

http://www.cbsnews.c...ain;contentBody

Maybe the whole oil industry should foot the bill.

Regards.

They won't foot the bill. No industry or coproration ever "foots the bill". The costs are always passed on to the consumer. Financial penalties therefore are not going to force any company to change their ways. NOW, execute the Board of Directors and their families as a penalty and you'll never see another micro-drop of oil spilled into the sea. OK, I'm not seriously advocating that, but any penalty must be something that can't just be passed on to someone else. Maybe seizure of assets instead of executions? Any other ideas out there?

How about "Oilboarding" them feckers 183 times?

:o

:D

27,000 Abandoned Gulf Oil Wells May Be Leaking

http://www.cbsnews.c...ain;contentBody

Maybe the whole oil industry should foot the bill.

Regards.

They won't foot the bill. No industry or coproration ever "foots the bill". The costs are always passed on to the consumer. Financial penalties therefore are not going to force any company to change their ways. NOW, execute the Board of Directors and their families as a penalty and you'll never see another micro-drop of oil spilled into the sea. OK, I'm not seriously advocating that, but any penalty must be something that can't just be passed on to someone else. Maybe seizure of assets instead of executions? Any other ideas out there?

Seizure of assets is something the Obama administration seems to be doing already. I do believe the Constitution says something about that.

The one thing this current administration hasn't learned yet is that all corporate increase in costs are passed on to the consumers, as you say.

The title is media hype again. The words 'may' and 'if' should be a red flag for any purported accurate article.

They neglect to mention that a well can have multiple pay zones, as one is depleted it is plugged off and thus another zone can be opened to recover it's hydrocarbon. These procedures are recorded as plugging, but the physical well is still being used for production. Oil companies make mistakes as is apparent on the BP well in the GOM and there are cowboy companies/individuals out there but they are in the vast minority.

The environmental groups/individual have to justify their paychecks/donations and it is good that someone is pointing out potential pitfalls, failures, etc, just to make everyone involved know that they are being watched. As long as there is a demand for hydrocarbon and its by products, there will be a possibility for a repeat of past mistakes as well as variation of them. Mankind has done a lot of good over the past few centuries, but sadly, there has been some bad associated with nearly every good that we have done.

How about "Oilboarding" them feckers 183 times?

:o

:D

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needs to be stopped ASAP and cleaned up as much as possible.

Agreed & there in lies the problems...

can it be stopped?

It appears they have done just that. I'm surprised. I expected it to run out before they figured out how to do it.

When they put the cap on the well, this was my greatest fear. Optimism.

They haven't stopped anything, yet. The US government won't let them declare victory. BP is the last one to be trusted.

I would like nothing better than to see this disaster resolved, but there's been so much devastation already caused by BP's negligence and greed that to pat them on the back is disgraceful. Unless, of course, the pat on the back is to let them know the trap door is being opened beneath them.

The latest reports indicate there may be flow from the annulus of the well bore outward and upward to the seafloor. With the well shut, pressure builds up and if there was/is a weak point, thats where it will go. The earlier pictures which indicated 5+_ seepage points around the original well will be weak points and could start flowing again with pressure buildup/shut in. Predictable, yes, thus the monitoring of seabed, wellhead, etc. Come on relief well.

wonder what the final clean up bill will be

BP Gulf Oil Spill Costs Nearing $4 Billion Amid New Seepage Fears

The amount spent by battered oil giant BP plc (BP: News ,BP.L: News ) to meet various expenses incurred due to the oil rig accident in the Gulf of Mexico has almost reached the $4 billion mark.

In an update on developments in its response to the worst oil slick in U.S. history, the company said the 91-day-old oil spill has so far cost it a total of $3.95 billion. It includes containment costs, relief well drilling, grants to the Gulf states, claims paid, and federal costs.

Pressed by President Barack Obama during his first meeting with top BP officials since the disaster took place, the energy giant announced on June 16 an agreed package of measures, including the creation of a $20 billion escrow account for settling claims arising from the oil and gas spill.

A sum of $207 million has already been paid out in compensation to residents affected by the spill. BP said on its website on Monday that until date, payments have been made on more than half of the 116,000 claims submitted so far.

It is too early to quantify other potential costs and liabilities associated with the incident, it added.

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Jeez

Those sort of figures even exceed Tiger wood's divorce settlement ( which incidently is more than the fine imposed on Goldman's by the US Government for helping to bring down the worlds economy)

Jeez

Those sort of figures even exceed Tiger wood's divorce settlement ( which incidently is more than the fine imposed on Goldman's by the US Government for helping to bring down the worlds economy)

GS got off very lightly, their share price even went up after the case was settled <_<

$550 M equates to about 12-14 days earnings for GS

Jeez

Those sort of figures even exceed Tiger wood's divorce settlement ( which incidently is more than the fine imposed on Goldman's by the US Government for helping to bring down the worlds economy)

And Goldman Sach's stock is where it was before the crash in Sept 2008 despite the fine and bad publicity. At least they've recovered. ;)

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=GS&t=2y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=

Tiger's divorce settlement is pocket change, whereas, Goldman's contribution to world economy may be small compared to the costs which will be incurred in the total scenario of this blowout. When compared to BP quarterly profits recently, many companies would like a bottom line like BP, without the liability of course.

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And Goldman Sach's stock is where it was before the crash in Sept 2008 despite the fine and bad publicity. At least they've recovered. ;)

Sure why not? Remember back when the crash started Hank Paulson was still treasury secretary.

He was previously a long time Goldman employee from the early 70's & then a partner/CEO in the early 80's

His compensation package, according to reports, was US $37 million in 2005, and US $16.4 million projected for 2006

He made sure GS not only got a nice big fat bailout loan but also that AIG would pay off GS at 100 cents on the dollar...an unheard of move considering in such a situation most would be lucky to get cents on the dollar.

Can anyone say conflict of interest?

Lastly remember it was Hank who did the whole bait & switch of 700 billion claiming if the US did not vote for the 700 billion bail out to pay pff the derivative then basically the US would fold in so many words.

Yet we now know that right after he got the funds no such pay off was done instead the too big to fail banks were bailed. Yet GS is admittedly no bank...yet they were treated to that desert.

So yes it is not surprising that GS does so well ;)

They should all be Marie Antoinetted :D

Jeez

Those sort of figures even exceed Tiger wood's divorce settlement ( which incidently is more than the fine imposed on Goldman's by the US Government for helping to bring down the worlds economy)

I couldn't agree more. Can't the US Govt seize all the assets of the financial managers who committed all this fraud, deceit, thievery, etc? Including the banks.Don't pin this on the President, and not just the US.

Some form of punishment that fits the crime.

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