Has the OP changed from sex to flying? Or is tha sexual flying or flying sex?

Confused from Bradford

Not another marky conquest thread is it?

I have a thick skin but if your are going to knock me you might read the thread to find out if it is about conquest or security and survival.

I must be a sick puppy because I am one of the few people that bothered to read it.

Have you thought about doing a column in the sealed section of a mans magazine or something, I'm not sure whether the readers here at Bedlam are ready for you.

After much thought I have come to the conclusion that you must have Oprah on Cable and that all of your other channels don’t work.

Please point out to me where I have said anything in this thread that could be construed as even slightly off color or sexually explicit.

Your short snide remarks may fill some inner need in your makeup but I hardly think they merit an audience.

If I have said something to offend you or that you think I have offended anyone else please point it out!

You said it was another conquest thread please point out where I have bragged about any conquest.

Has the OP changed from sex to flying? Or is tha sexual flying or flying sex?

Confused from Bradford

Boo said.” Is it really important to you for people to "understand" what you do & why?”

(I don't really know who you people is but I figured it was me so I answered)

I pointed out to her by way of relating the Pythagorean theorem why some people consider the what and why of things important, like that is the reason for education.

Nam did not understand that most pilots like to know how far the airplane has to fly which is one of the things the Pythagorean theorem does.

Neverdie seemed anxious to demonstrate his lack of knowledge of basic geometry also and that brings you up to date.

With my poignant question I’m sure still ringing in your ears, Patsy I love reading your posts but you should really read mine a bit more carefully. I said and quote “I also don’t know if women even care about sexual security. It may be so readily available that security is not an issue or they may just not ever think about it. I think women care more about financial and physical and emotional security for their family and selves far more than sexual security. But I don’t really know.”

Your statement about walking out of your flat and finding sexual security would match my expectations for western women.

I was rather surprised to find a post a while back on the ladies forum that generated so much interest in finding out about a club in Chiang Mai that catered to women instead of men. One, because there are clubs like that all over Thailand and two, because I thought everyone knew it was a status symbol for BG’s to be able to afford men from those clubs. It surprised me that ladies posting on the women’s forum would want to put themselves in the same category.

Perhaps you could answer a question for me. Do you think sexual security for women is less or more available in Thailand than in the west and are you more inclined to avail yourself of people you have known for a period of time, say 10 years or a stranger?

All your threads!!

From virgins, to meeting the parents to pay in sin sod to all off them!!

Do you never think back and think shit what have i written.

And now this new one - "Sexual Security" what a lot of <deleted>. I had never ever heard of sexual security before!!

<deleted> is that?

And i am not using smilies.

And as usual, we all respond to your stupid (must admit well written) threads. Ho ly mo ly oops oops.

All your threads!!

From virgins, to meeting the parents to pay in sin sod to all off them!!

Do you never think back and think shit what have i written.

And now this new one - "Sexual Security" what a lot of <deleted>. I had never ever heard of sexual security before!!

<deleted> is that?

And i am not using smilies.

And as usual, we all respond to your stupid (must admit well written) threads. Ho ly mo ly oops oops.

I am saying one of the basic assumptions about Thailand is incorrect.

I am saying one of the basic assumptions about old men (dirty or not) everywhere is incorrect.

Whenever anyone disagrees with a basic assumption that person is usually vilified, pilloried, and other bad stuff like that.

Look at Galileo and that little kid who said the king didn’t have any clothes on.

Patsy, review at what you have written. None of it has anything to do with what I have written in this thread. It is your assumptions about me based on other threads or something else I can’t fathom.

I said I didn’t think women ever thought about sexual security for one reason or another. I don’t expect you to know anything about sexual security because you have never experienced sexual insecurity.

It is OK for you to say that. You can say, because I have never experienced sexual insecurity it must not exist. That is a valid argument. Well, not really a valid argument but at least I can understand where you are coming from.

Has the OP changed from sex to flying? Or is tha sexual flying or flying sex?

Confused from Bradford

Lets join the Mile High Club Patsy.

Yummy

I don’t expect you to know anything about sexual security because you have never experienced sexual insecurity.

What is sexual security? As i said before i am quite satisfied in my sexy lurv. Sexual insicurity yes sometimes but that comes with the vodka,

All your threads!!

From virgins, to meeting the parents to pay in sin sod to all off them!!

Do you never think back and think shit what have i written.

And now this new one - "Sexual Security" what a lot of <deleted>. I had never ever heard of sexual security before!!

<deleted> is that?

And i am not using smilies.

And as usual, we all respond to your stupid (must admit well written) threads. Ho ly mo ly oops oops.

I am saying one of the basic assumptions about Thailand is incorrect.

I am saying one of the basic assumptions about old men (dirty or not) everywhere is incorrect.

Whenever anyone disagrees with a basic assumption that person is usually vilified, pilloried, and other bad stuff like that.

Look at Galileo and that little kid who said the king didn’t have any clothes on.

Patsy, review at what you have written. None of it has anything to do with what I have written in this thread. It is your assumptions about me based on other threads or something else I can’t fathom.

I said I didn’t think women ever thought about sexual security for one reason or another. I don’t expect you to know anything about sexual security because you have never experienced sexual insecurity.

It is OK for you to say that. You can say, because I have never experienced sexual insecurity it must not exist. That is a valid argument. Well, not really a valid argument but at least I can understand where you are coming from.

Maybe the issue for you is just security in general, and the sexual part is a masking obsession? It *is* true that nearly every one of your posts, everywhere, has mentioned or tried to introduce something about sex- frequently with basically gratuitous explicit details that aren't relevant either to the topic, to other elements of your post, or to other readers on the forum? This isn't behaviour that MOST other members seem... compelled... to exhibit, whether male or female, and as others have mentioned here, it is not socially functional.

What you may be having trouble with here is the reaction of other posters to your exhibitionism, which to link back to the thread topic, is probably rooted in insecurity and a dysfunctional need for attention.

If I really must post on topic once more... it seems to me that part of the magic of sex comes from its coherence with human relationships, which are inherently NOT secure. This is an inherent and constituent part of its value- its ephemerality and contingency. Perhaps there will come a time in my life when I disagree, but when I go out to meet people, it is much more interesting and rewarding when things DO go well because of the chance that things might NOT- never mind the knowledge that it is always about me, and not about some proposed amount of funds in my pocket.

And I still believe- based on my own experience as a not-all-that-stunningly-glamorous-man- that there are people pretty much everywhere who are willing to engage with a functional person of whatever age, appearance, etc. It may not be that the specific people are themselves paragons of mainstream commercial so-called 'good looks,' but the social contacts will be there.

Has the OP changed from sex to flying? Or is tha sexual flying or flying sex?

Confused from Bradford

Lets join the Mile High Club Patsy.

When? Get me outta here and get me sexualy secure- been thinking about it for a few years but put it off till next month. When i have to pay a pound to use the toilets on Ryanair. See, it'll cost ya?? 2 quid woo woo

@ the O.P., Mark. I'm certainly not old enough, and absolutely not sober enough to respond eloquenty, however I do just want to mention that I thought your Original Post to be interesting, eloquent, and with merit of some form(s).

Has the OP changed from sex to flying? Or is tha sexual flying or flying sex?

Confused from Bradford

Lets join the Mile High Club Patsy.

When? Get me outta here and get me sexualy secure- been thinking about it for a few years but put it off till next month. When i have to pay a pound to use the toilets on Ryanair. See, it'll cost ya?? 2 quid woo woo

A bargain Patsy... is this an auction?

I raise Harcourt's bid to two pound fifty.

All your threads!!

From virgins, to meeting the parents to pay in sin sod to all off them!!

Do you never think back and think shit what have i written.

And now this new one - "Sexual Security" what a lot of <deleted>. I had never ever heard of sexual security before!!

<deleted> is that?

And i am not using smilies.

And as usual, we all respond to your stupid (must admit well written) threads. Ho ly mo ly oops oops.

I am saying one of the basic assumptions about Thailand is incorrect.

I am saying one of the basic assumptions about old men (dirty or not) everywhere is incorrect.

Whenever anyone disagrees with a basic assumption that person is usually vilified, pilloried, and other bad stuff like that.

Look at Galileo and that little kid who said the king didn’t have any clothes on.

Patsy, review at what you have written. None of it has anything to do with what I have written in this thread. It is your assumptions about me based on other threads or something else I can’t fathom.

I said I didn’t think women ever thought about sexual security for one reason or another. I don’t expect you to know anything about sexual security because you have never experienced sexual insecurity.

It is OK for you to say that. You can say, because I have never experienced sexual insecurity it must not exist. That is a valid argument. Well, not really a valid argument but at least I can understand where you are coming from.

Maybe the issue for you is just security in general, and the sexual part is a masking obsession? It *is* true that nearly every one of your posts, everywhere, has mentioned or tried to introduce something about sex- frequently with basically gratuitous explicit details that aren't relevant either to the topic, to other elements of your post, or to other readers on the forum? This isn't behaviour that MOST other members seem... compelled... to exhibit, whether male or female, and as others have mentioned here, it is not socially functional.

What you may be having trouble with here is the reaction of other posters to your exhibitionism, which to link back to the thread topic, is probably rooted in insecurity and a dysfunctional need for attention.

If I really must post on topic once more... it seems to me that part of the magic of sex comes from its coherence with human relationships, which are inherently NOT secure. This is an inherent and constituent part of its value- its ephemerality and contingency. Perhaps there will come a time in my life when I disagree, but when I go out to meet people, it is much more interesting and rewarding when things DO go well because of the chance that things might NOT- never mind the knowledge that it is always about me, and not about some proposed amount of funds in my pocket.

And I still believe- based on my own experience as a not-all-that-stunningly-glamorous-man- that there are people pretty much everywhere who are willing to engage with a functional person of whatever age, appearance, etc. It may not be that the specific people are themselves paragons of mainstream commercial so-called 'good looks,' but the social contacts will be there.

I would debate your analysis of my posts and point out I am equally obsessed about history, education, food and a myriad of other issues but perhaps the sex seems to stand out, after all sex sells. I am especially fascinated that Thai people have completely re written their history to a neo Victorian ethic as you have also pointed out on a couple of occasions.

My early childhood was influenced by a German couple who lived next door to my parents. He was an inventor and precision machinist and she was an algebra teacher. They lived in Shanghai in the 1930’s. They didn’t have any children and regaled me with stories whenever my parents would let me visit their home. It was an odd home with a ceiling that slid completely open so he could watch the stars at night and he had fish pools with large goldfish that froze in the winter and came alive again when it thawed. Fascinating stuff for a kid. They were also frequent visitors to Thailand and Burma back then. I know what Thailand was like in the 1930’s and conservative was not the word to describe it.

Not only are the Thai people delusional but most of the western people living in Thailand have been hoodwinked by this PC re write of history.

Add to that this Thai Chinese good girl bigoted nonsense and it gives me a lot of topics to disagree with people on.

Add to that mix ample evidence that almost no one posting on Thai Visa has a decent grounding in history and throw in censorship from a variety of different countries and it leads to some interesting discussions.

It seems to work like this, I ask a question or state a premise and people refute my argument with humor, innuendo or other techniques without ever touching on the original point. When I point this out they react by attacking me or diverting the issue. Like asking, have you stopped beating your wife yet.

You bring up the point that sexual insecurity may be just a manifestation of insecurity in general. Sure it could. I live on the fourth floor of a condo because I worry the elevator will go out when I have a big load of groceries to carry to my rooms. I guess that is insecure. I have lived on the fourth floor of condo’s in Chiang Mai, Bangkok, Pattaya, Rayong and other places for the same reason. In other countries I like higher floors because of the view and lack of noise. In Chicago I lived on the 27th floor behind Lincoln Park. The elevator never went out in Chicago in Thailand it goes out weekly. Am I insecure or prudent?

In Thailand I live close to a major hospital because of my age. Is this insecure? It has come in handy a couple of times and saved my life once.

I would prefer to live in a different country but Thailand has better health care so I live here.

The general theme I hear over and over in Thailand is old men traipsing around with young women and how awful that is. OK I can understand that but the point of this thread is the reasons for that. I have suggested an alternative reason that is true in my case (I think) and may or may not be true in the case of others.

You have fallen into the same trap as others and instead of dealing with the subject of the thread at hand prefer to go into other threads I have posted from your memory and not mentioning specifics of those threads accuse me of posting “basically gratuitous explicit details that aren't relevant either to the topic, to other elements of your post, or to other readers on the forum.” How can I deal with that? I don’t know what you are talking about? And if I did I would have to construct a defense that I am sure would be off topic and not relevant to the subject at hand.

You accuse me of socially dysfunctional behavior with out mentioning any specific reasons or giving any examples except, wink, wink, nod, nod you know what he is like, kinds of cliquish jargon.

You accuse me of being an exhibitionist and having a dysfunctional need for attention.

In 2005 do you remember the Farang who got on stage with the lady boy comic with the stuffed stocking appendages at Adam’s Apple? The same guy who always came there with three women and spoke decent Thai that the comics had a ball with?

Taking three women to a notorious gay club, getting on stage with transvestite comics and dancing with the jockey short clad boys I guess is being an exhibitionist. You got me. I am an exhibitionist and I am a writer. I think it is difficult to be a writer and not be an exhibitionist. I like gay guys and I like straight guys and gay women and straight women and when in NZ I go to sheep shearing contests. I am pretty secure in my sexuality.

You bring up prostitution. I had not brought up prostitution. Lets deal with that for a moment. You wrote, “it seems to me that part of the magic of sex comes from its coherence with human relationships, which are inherently NOT secure. This is an inherent and constituent part of its value- its ephemerality and contingency. Perhaps there will come a time in my life when I disagree, but when I go out to meet people, it is much more interesting and rewarding when things DO go well because of the chance that things might NOT- never mind the knowledge that it is always about me, and not about some proposed amount of funds in my pocket.”

First part, you like relationships that are not secure? Is that correct? That is what you posted.

When I was a young man I liked skiing in ungroomed bowls marked with an X. I would ski full tilt up to a precipice and got a rush out of going over the edge and reacting to conditions that I could not possibly plan for. I liked flying helicopters at treetop level and watching the surprised look of the men in black pajamas as we zoomed over their heads.

Now I like cross country skiing. Slow and sure and I appreciate the beauty of the cold still wilderness glide effortlessly on the soft snow.

I have traded the insecurity of extreme downhill skiing for the beauty of the quiet wilderness.

I have traded your “magic of sex” with insecure relationships for the touch of a familiar person who is going to be there when I wake up in the middle of the night.

Your “magic of sex” with “non secure” relationships seems a little adolescent to me. It also seems a bit dangerous.

You like to roll the dice, you like to play the game. OK I can understand that. But please call a spade a spade. I believe you are talking about meeting other men and not women. When you are referring to relationships being determined by romance and not, Your words “some proposed amount of funds in my pocket” I believe you are talking about meeting men.

It’s not fair. It is not a fair comparison. I lived across the street from Soho in Chiang Mai. I got propositioned daily by guys. Young guys, old guys, and guys in between. They would have been angry if I had ever mentioned money. I would go to the house of men spa to use the pool and invariably someone would buy me a beer. We never talked about money. Networking, business, friends and all manner of conversation but never about money. I guess there were money boys there 5 or 6 years ago but I didn’t meet any other than to say hi on the way to she steam bath.

I don’t think gay men have a problem with sexual security. If I was gay I wouldn’t have a problem with sexual security. It is like Patsycat said, there is a guy in the flat around the corner who I have known for 10 years.

I think sexual security only effects heterosexual men and only older heterosexual men.

I believe it is difficult for a person who is not an older heterosexual man to understand. In the same way I think gynecologists should be women. You can go on and on about the fact that men should be able to do just as good a job but the reality is a female makes a better gynecologist than a male.

Has the OP changed from sex to flying? Or is tha sexual flying or flying sex?

Confused from Bradford

Lets join the Mile High Club Patsy.

When? Get me outta here and get me sexualy secure- been thinking about it for a few years but put it off till next month. When i have to pay a pound to use the toilets on Ryanair. See, it'll cost ya?? 2 quid woo woo

A bargain Patsy... is this an auction?

I raise Harcourt's bid to two pound fifty.

oi!!! I didn't make a bid.....it is not an auction. Patsy and I are back-up betrothed, and if we are going to do the business premaritally, joining the Mile High club would be a good way.

So it costs a quid to spend a penny on RyanAir?

Patsy....2 quid or 2 hundred, I'm sure it would be worth every penny.

But, darling, you have to take into account that i am sexually insecure.

But, darling, you have to take into account that i am sexually insecure.

Dear Pats, that is why I am perfect for you. I thrive on being the knight in shining armour, galant and honourable, tough and masculine, gentle and passionate....plus I'm pretty good in bed ...so I have often been told.

Serve you right if she turns up on your doorstep and demands you live up to these claims!

But, darling, you have to take into account that i am sexually insecure.

Dear Pats, that is why I am perfect for you. I thrive on being the knight in shining armour, galant and honourable, tough and masculine, gentle and passionate....plus I'm pretty good in bed ...so I have often been told.

......and he is to drive my bride.!!!!!!!!!

Serve you right if she turns up on your doorstep and demands you live up to these claims!

No worries.

But, darling, you have to take into account that i am sexually insecure.

Dear Pats, that is why I am perfect for you. I thrive on being the knight in shining armour, galant and honourable, tough and masculine, gentle and passionate....plus I'm pretty good in bed ...so I have often been told.

......and he is to drive my bride.!!!!!!!!!

I thought I was driving you both.

You can trust me Pete....mind you, if I get lost and we turn up at the church a couple of hours late, I wouldn't blame you for cocking an eyebrow.

But, darling, you have to take into account that i am sexually insecure.

Dear Pats, that is why I am perfect for you. I thrive on being the knight in shining armour, galant and honourable, tough and masculine, gentle and passionate....plus I'm pretty good in bed ...so I have often been told.

......and he is to drive my bride.!!!!!!!!!

I thought I was driving you both.

You can trust me Pete....mind you, if I get lost and we turn up at the church a couple of hours late, I wouldn't blame you for cocking an eyebrow.

Drive Aline to the church.

Drive us both after the ceremony to the reception,

Then we take the car to a destination known only to me......he he.

Then you can take my odyssey to where ever your wheels are,

Sort it out when I see you.

Drive Aline to the church.

Drive us both after the ceremony to the reception,

Then we take the car to a destination known only to me......he he.

Then you can take my odyssey to where ever your wheels are,

Sort it out when I see you.

No probs.

Hey.....whats the story with Aline's friend who she's partnered me up with...the one from Christchurch? I checked her out on Facebook...she looks ok.

I admit to skipping most of the comments here, but surely this thread is an oxymoron in itself. If you are really "secure" in your sex life then why the need to tell everybody?

Drive Aline to the church.

Drive us both after the ceremony to the reception,

Then we take the car to a destination known only to me......he he.

Then you can take my odyssey to where ever your wheels are,

Sort it out when I see you.

No probs.

Hey.....whats the story with Aline's friend who she's partnered me up with...the one from Christchurch? I checked her out on Facebook...she looks ok.

Dunno much, I have met her.

Most of Aline's Filipina friends are former school mates.

All well educated and spoken.

Find out when ya meet....

I'll be hidden the boot/trunk of the car.

I'll be hidden the boot/trunk of the car.

I'll put a double mattress in, in case, Patsy.

Bring ya own prophylactics.

(Hope that is proper spelling)

I admit to skipping most of the comments here, but surely this thread is an oxymoron in itself. If you are really "secure" in your sex life then why the need to tell everybody?

Reminds me of one of our "lad" jokes back in the day.

"The only bad thing about sc**wing an older woman was not being able to tell your mates about it afterwards.

I admit to skipping most of the comments here, but surely this thread is an oxymoron in itself. If you are really "secure" in your sex life then why the need to tell everybody?

I would answer you but I skipped reading most of your comment. The only part I read was, "I admit to skipping most of the comments here."

I admit to skipping most of the comments here, but surely this thread is an oxymoron in itself. If you are really "secure" in your sex life then why the need to tell everybody?

I would answer you but I skipped reading most of your comment. The only part I read was, "I admit to skipping most of the comments here."

If you skipped the rest of my post then how did you know that I was asking a question?