Well, after reading Ian's nasty piece of vitriol, I just have to say, thanks for confirming what I suspected all along, Ian. I am not here to slam sexpats, what for? If they aren't hurting anyone thats fine. To each their own, but please, accept that that works both ways and keep your bigoted comments to yourself, cheers.

Have they gone yet?

Regards.

Have they gone yet?

Regards.

U funny teletiger

or he thinks he is

:lol:

Well, it looks like I was successful in adding a little"life" back into this thread. It was getting a bit stale.

Some people call it "trolling".

As I've said many times, I love all women, young or old, ugly or beautiful, so long as they are interesting people. I'd enjoy spending an evening or a day just hanging out with the gals on this forum. We might actually AGREE on a few things. Honest debate is actually fun, and especially so if both adversaries are relatively smart. I understand that women would have an entirely different view point about the same subject, than me. I can see both sides to most arguments and have enough experience to understand where people are coming from.

Ain't buying it Ian.

You were not trolling. To say that your were trolling is just a cop out.

I understand that women would have an entirely different view point about the same subject, than me

What about the men here that have an entirely different view, from you?

For somebody who has been on this planet for twice the time that I have, you are one ignorant and surprisingly (surprising to somebody half your age) naive person.

I'm drunk, I've said too much already.

In his defence Ian has stated several times that he enjoys "trolling" to stir up various people and threads.

That's exactly what I thought he was doing as soon as I read that post.

I do a little of the same occasionally, but not to the extent he does.

I've actually eased off, it was too easy. There are certain people on here who can be depended upon to bite like a school of herring.

so these people who you find bite too easy should just not comment when total <deleted> is written? Hmm see I have a different take. What you or Ian might call trolling I see it as someone expressing their true opinion but are just to pussy scared to actually admit it. Much safer for them to claim they are just "messing around".

Snide is snide whatever way you dress it up.

oh but just to remind you, Ian & anyone else who like to get themselves off with trolling;

5) Not to post inflammatory messages on the forum, or attempt to disrupt discussions to upset its participants, or trolling.

Trolling can be defined as the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Okay, I can play the game with gloves off. Any man who can honestly say that he finds fat, physically unattractive, bitter women who don't enjoy sex, more appealing than young, attractive women (of any nationality) who do enjoy sex, is either a liar or really messed up in the head... just as are women who stay with men who beat and mentally abuse them. I don't enjoy the company of shrill, bitter women and I see far too many of them... both in North America and Thailand. But, I have a 93 year old aunt that I can spend a long weekend with just sitting around yacking.

I spend 7 month a year in North America. I do a lot of traveling and I DO look at people surrounding me on the bus and in the stores. I'm continually assessing people visually and comparing them to what I see in Thailand. Even though I have no intention of making any contact with anyone, I can't help but see the differences. Comparing what I see in every North American supermarket and department store, I'm not too impressed... EVEN IF I WAS YOUNG AND HANDSOME, AND EVERY GAL (of any age) WAS AVAILABLE... which they are not! Only occasionally do I see a few women that stand out from the rest, and most of those are in their late teens and early twenties. I wouldn't even consider making a fool of myself by making a "play" for those gals. I don't play around with married women, and I've never made any advance towards another man's girl friend.

I'm too old to start any new relationship, even though there are a LOT of available middle aged women. Why would I settle for something fat and dumpy, no matter HOW charming she might be, when I can have the prettiest gals that Thailand has to offer?

When I say a 40 year old woman in Thailand is far past her prime it is only in comparison to what is readily available FOR A SINGLE MAN looking for some short time company. It is not true for a couple who have spent many years together in a loving relationship. That is an entirely different subject. I applaud all you couples who have spent many years of happy matrimony and are still in love with each other. I have no use at all for women who prey on other women's husbands or boy friends, but I see it happening all the time.

Boo can believe anything she wants. She makes false assumptions all the time and bases her replies on those false assumptions. I won't get into name calling. I can back up anything I've ever written... unless of course, I was just posting a bit of sarcasm or purposely funny pictures. Most often I try to use myself as the butt of my jokes.

oh but just to remind you, Ian & anyone else who like to get themselves off with trolling;

5) Not to post inflammatory messages on the forum, or attempt to disrupt discussions to upset its participants, or trolling.

Trolling can be defined as the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

So it's all right to post on a thread and abuse all men because of their gender, but when you don't like a bit of a return dig the moderator badge goes on?

I think you don't want the gloves off Old Croc. If this is going to get any nastier than Ian's disgusting provocative post then I will start moderating Bedlam as well.

Okay, I can play the game with gloves off. Any man who can honestly say that he finds fat, physically unattractive, bitter women who don't enjoy sex, more appealing than young, attractive women (of any nationality) who do enjoy sex, is either a liar or really messed up in the head... just as are women who stay with men who beat and mentally abuse them. I don't enjoy the company of shrill, bitter women and I see far too many of them... both in North America and Thailand. But, I have a 93 year old aunt that I can spend a long weekend with just sitting around yacking.

I spend 7 month a year in North America. I do a lot of traveling and I DO look at people surrounding me on the bus and in the stores. I'm continually assessing people visually and comparing them to what I see in Thailand. Even though I have no intention of making any contact with anyone, I can't help but see the differences. Comparing what I see in every North American supermarket and department store, I'm not too impressed... EVEN IF I WAS YOUNG AND HANDSOME, AND EVERY GAL (of any age) WAS AVAILABLE... which they are not! Only occasionally do I see a few women that stand out from the rest, and most of those are in their late teens and early twenties. I wouldn't even consider making a fool of myself by making a "play" for those gals. I don't play around with married women, and I've never made any advance towards another man's girl friend.

I'm too old to start any new relationship, even though there are a LOT of available middle aged women. Why would I settle for something fat and dumpy, no matter HOW charming she might be, when I can have the prettiest gals that Thailand has to offer?

When I say a 40 year old woman in Thailand is far past her prime it is only in comparison to what is readily available FOR A SINGLE MAN looking for some short time company. It is not true for a couple who have spent many years together in a loving relationship. That is an entirely different subject. I applaud all you couples who have spent many years of happy matrimony and are still in love with each other. I have no use at all for women who prey on other women's husbands or boy friends, but I see it happening all the time.

Boo can believe anything she wants. She makes false assumptions all the time and bases her replies on those false assumptions. I won't get into name calling. I can back up anything I've ever written... unless of course, I was just posting a bit of sarcasm or purposely funny pictures. Most often I try to use myself as the butt of my jokes.

Fatal flaw in your diatribe, Ian....... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

That being said, I sort of know where you are coming from, and I don't think you were neccesarily being agist or racist....just expressing your own preference.

What is good to keep in mind is that your opinion, or anyone else's, is only that, an opinion, especially when it comes to who is attractive and who is not.

I think what irks some people is that generalisations are made, and the readers take it personally.

Some posters here do tend to view certain posters with automatic disdain without actually trying to digest or empathise with what was written.

It is fine to say that all men that post in this thread post inane posts, but it is not fine for some men to make an opinion about what they find attractive in the opposite sex.

I enjoy the banter.

The few times i have had a romantic interlude in Thailand has always been with a Westerner - one was English, one Canadian and the other from those funny islands off the coast of Australia.

I asked them all - why are you interested in me when you have the most beautiful women in the World on your doorstep.

Conversation. Being able to talk and laugh etc. And a couple of them did the pidgeon engrish with me... I buy beer? I take home?

Got rid of them pronto....

It's called respect. I applaud the lady in the bikini who has a few extra pounds. OK she is not 16 years old but, hel_l, she may have saved up for years for her holiday in paradise. And i hope she enjoyed it.

Oh, by the by, the guys i hooked up with were not god's gift to women either. Just good company.

I enjoy the banter.

It's called respect. I applaud the lady in the bikini who has a few extra pounds. OK she is not 16 years old but, hel_l, she may have saved up for years for her holiday in paradise. And i hope she enjoyed it.

I would not even have noticed her had she not been so annoying, Patsycat. People can wear anything they want and it doesn't bother me in the least. They can be as fat or as thin as they want. I really don't care, until they encroach on my territory or my enjoyment. I've got fat friends and skinny friends, homely friends and handsome friends. I've got friends who drink and smoke too much. That is their problem, not mine. However, when adults scream at children just having fun then my opinion of those adults takes a nose dive. When I see people treating others badly my opinion of them goes down. When people go to places where whatever it is they disapprove of is evident then I have no use for them if they complain.

I don't happen to like parades, and like gay parades even less. So, I just don't attend. I stay away from places where I'm going to be hassled. If I don't want to be accosted by hookers or salespersons then I stay away. I won't encroach on anyone else's space and I expect the same in return. I don't park my vehicle where it's going to block someone else and I get annoyed if someone does that to me. However, if I know beforehand that a certain area is going to be busy (such as night markets) then I just stay away. i don't complain about it. If I need to go into a busy market then I park well outside the area and walk. I don't complain because I'm blocked in.

Anything that is controversial and written on an open forum can be considered a "troll". I do it all the time. Sometimes it is to open people's eyes to an entirely different perspective. Sometimes it's just to create a bit of humour. I often use pictures to back up what I say. Some people don't like it and others do. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have a good friend who reads a lot of historical data and he knows a lot. Michael often takes me to task if he disagrees with what I say, or how I say it. When he can back up what he says with knowledge I don't have, then I'm willing to change my mind. We have great discussions and often take long walks together.

I don't take life too seriously, and I certainly don't take myself seriously. I can't say I've ever made any nasty comments about anyone on any forum. And that goes for people who take shots at me. One thing that I HAVE noticed is a lot of people in their thirties think they have life all figured out. That is because life hasn't thrown them any curve balls yet. Let them deal with the loss of a child, or a marriage breakup where they haven't done anything wrong, or losing their home, or losing their job, or having a debilitating accident, or any one of a thousand things that can alter their life, and then let me hear how well they have life figured out.

I'm still not buying into the trolling call.

I think it's just to easy to shout troll and pretend that you were never being serious in the first place. It's interesting to see Ian try to fight his way out of it though because that's when the contradictions really begin to flow.

In his defence Ian has stated several times that he enjoys "trolling" to stir up various people and threads.

Yep.

It wouldn't be the first time that Ian has used the tactic to try to back away from his comments.

when I can have the prettiest gals that Thailand has to offer?

hoh hoh ho, having a little chuckle at that.

And Ian, I don't make false assumptions about you, I make assumptions on what you chose to post. Like it said, if you think it & post it, own it.

So it's all right to post on a thread and abuse all men because of their gender, but when you don't like a bit of a return dig the moderator badge goes on?

Have I? Strange, I very rarely even mention gender when I post, usually use terms like "people" or "posters" but if we are going down this route then quite frankly I think you need some glasses cause you seem to have missed the amount of posts on this forum & thread slagging off women & generalising negatively about them to seriously feel justified to start harping on about the few women posters here standing up for themselves.

That says all I need to know about you really.

I won't encroach on anyone else's space and I expect the same in return.

thats why you post their photos all over the place in a public forum without their knowledge I guess.

One thing that I HAVE noticed is a lot of people in their thirties think they have life all figured out. That is because life hasn't thrown them any curve balls yet. Let them deal with the loss of a child, or a marriage breakup where they haven't done anything wrong, or losing their home, or losing their job, or having a debilitating accident, or any one of a thousand things that can alter their life, and then let me hear how well they have life figured out.

I normally enjoy the majority of your posts Ian and you certainly have lived alot of life and I mean that in relation to your age as well. Theres alot of people in their 70ies that have just given up and stopped and they may have not even covered a portion of the ground you have.

I think it is foolish of you to assume that someone in their 30ies that may think they have life all figured out by that age to have not experienced some or most of those curve balls you are talking about. I unlike a few of the old boilers in the thread am only in my thirities (just) and I reakon I have life sussed out fairly well. I've had plenty of curve balls my way, I don't even want to mention or think about half of them, some of which would probably rock ur old socks off. Recently there was a young teenage girl in Australia who returned home from a short holiday to find her entire family murdered, she lost virtually everything in one foul swoop and her life has only just begun. Age isnt a very good measure to work on when it comes to people have stuff sussed out. Everytime I meet someone that seems to have it all down, I stop and pick their brains.....whynot.

Anyway, its taken about 46 odd pages & 1100 odd posts to finally have a dust up in the secret mens business thread

job well done.

In his defence Ian has stated several times that he enjoys "trolling" to stir up various people and threads.

Yep.

It wouldn't be the first time that Ian has used the tactic to try to back away from his comments.

I don't back away from my comments. But I won't waste my time arguing with self righteous bigots or narrow minded itiots, Name a few a few of my comments that are totally wrong and I'll happily debate them. If it doesn't fit within thaivisa guidlines then take it to a PM or e-mail. I answer everyone. I've already stated my position on most religions and both the Muslim faith and the Catholic church in particular. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that you don't like me, or sbk and Boo don't like me. I'm not here for a popularity contest. I'm too old to care.

The problem with most comments on open forums is they are written using generalities to prove specific subjects. If someone doesn't understand the difference then that is the reader's problem.

Name a few a few of my comments that are totally wrong and I'll happily debate them. If it doesn't fit within thaivisa guidlines then take it to a PM or e-mail. I answer everyone.

What's wrong or right is a matter of opinion. It 's your contradictions that (in my opinion) fail you Ian. Most think that mark is sleazy, but at least the man has the integrity to stick to his guns.

Here is just one example of how you get confused with yourself.

In defence of the go-go bar photo you posted, you added:

And I can assure you that the women in that photo look a LOT better from a distance. Definitely long past their prime. Unfortunately, at that point they don't have many other options.

Only later for you to say:

Why would I settle for something fat and dumpy, no matter HOW charming she might be, when I can have the prettiest gals that Thailand has to offer?

Which one is it? I could give more examples, but it is rather late now.

Mark has let us know who he is, after which we can decide ourselves what we think of him. He is more or less left alone now and to be honest, his intelligence and tales of his life experiences is making me warm to him a little. You just constantly change Ian, you don't stick to your guns and you are just very very vague about YOUR OWN "opinions"

By the way. Just because somebody does not agree with you, it does not make them an idiot nor a bigot. Your veneer of "nothing can upset me" is wearing a little thin now because you lashed out with those statements in anger and frustration. I can't believe that I am getting myself into an internet squabble, it's just that you still don't add up and it is getting under my skin.

But I won't waste my time arguing with self righteous bigots or narrow minded itiots.

The problem with most comments on open forums is they are written using generalities to prove specific subjects.

Regarding the two points above Ian. I don't understand ur first statement, in relation to this thread or anything thats been said here (jokes aside) because I don't see how anyone has been either a bigot nor narrow minded idiot - ALTHOUGH some of your latest comments would run very close.

I agree with your second point.

Here is just one example of how you get confused with yourself.

In defence of the go-go bar photo you posted, you added:

And I can assure you that the women in that photo look a LOT better from a distance. Definitely long past their prime. Unfortunately, at that point they don't have many other options.

Only later for you to say:

Why would I settle for something fat and dumpy, no matter HOW charming she might be, when I can have the prettiest gals that Thailand has to offer?

Which one is it? I could give more examples, but it is rather late now.

There is no contradiction in what I wrote at all, except in your own mind. It's quite easy to explain. If I have any contact at all with the women on soi 6 it's only to buy them a drink, and even that was just a couple of times out of curiousity. No other contact at all. I learn a lot by being friendly and asking questions. I don't post photos of the ladies who come to visit me on a more personal level. Or, at least not in the same context. I happen to enjoy the company of a handful of very attractive Chiang Mai women, of whom a few occasionally worked in bars. I don't post their photos and don't talk about their private lives. People make all sorts of assumptions that are not true. You can pick out all the examples you want and I can easily explain any comment I've written. Now whether you CHOOSE to believe me is entirely up to you. I could make an equally wrong assumption that you are a wife and child abuser, but it wouldn't make it true.

But I won't waste my time arguing with self righteous bigots or narrow minded itiots.

The problem with most comments on open forums is they are written using generalities to prove specific subjects.

Regarding the two points above Ian. I don't understand ur first statement, in relation to this thread or anything thats been said here (jokes aside) because I don't see how anyone has been either a bigot nor narrow minded idiot - ALTHOUGH some of your latest comments would run very close.

I agree with your second point.

I'm not calling anyone here a bigot or an idiot. I don't KNOW anyone here personally to make that judgement. But, if someone makes false assumptions about me then I begin to believe they might be so narrow minded that they don't realize there can be many valid reasons for various view points. I just said I won't waste my time arguing with people I Know to be bigots. And, I DO know a few.

And, as I wrote before, it often happens with people in their thirties who believe they have life all figured out. Of course, that also happens with a few hard core old guys who grew up in a bible punching family and haven't led a varied life. I see it with my own children who are in their thirties.

Just popped by to see if the coast was clear, but found it would be safer for me to crawl back under my stone. So bye for now. I'll slither around now and then to check whether the mood has lightened. My boss will be happy as I may actually get some work done for a change.

Here is just one example of how you get confused with yourself.

In defence of the go-go bar photo you posted, you added:

And I can assure you that the women in that photo look a LOT better from a distance. Definitely long past their prime. Unfortunately, at that point they don't have many other options.

Only later for you to say:

Why would I settle for something fat and dumpy, no matter HOW charming she might be, when I can have the prettiest gals that Thailand has to offer?

Which one is it? I could give more examples, but it is rather late now.

There is no contradiction in what I wrote at all, except in your own mind. It's quite easy to explain. If I have any contact at all with the women on soi 6 it's only to buy them a drink, and even that was just a couple of times out of curiousity. No other contact at all. I learn a lot by being friendly and asking questions. I don't post photos of the ladies who come to visit me on a more personal level. Or, at least not in the same context. I happen to enjoy the company of a handful of very attractive Chiang Mai women, of whom a few occasionally worked in bars. I don't post their photos and don't talk about their private lives. People make all sorts of assumptions that are not true. You can pick out all the examples you want and I can easily explain any comment I've written. Now whether you CHOOSE to believe me is entirely up to you. I could make an equally wrong assumption that you are a wife and child abuser, but it wouldn't make it true.

Butt-plug.

Is "butt-plug" some insider joke or am I just thick? Probably the latter, but whatever, I am lost as usual. Back to my stone.