My father told me to join up or face jail ( rough bunch of pals where I lived in Wolverhampton ).

Hated every minute of basic training, but slowly came to appreciate the comradeship and quality of my fellow servicemen. This realisation sort of crept up on me. One day I hated it, next I loved it.

Only mistake was being commissioned. After six years of active and exciting service, staff work beckoned. That was it, packed it in, couldn't face the desk in my mid-twenties. Very foolish mistake, number two.

He was a fan of the Village people.................

Funny, haha.

Actually, I joined because I was young and reckless, looking for adventure, not thinking of any consequences.

Adventure? Consequences? Assuming you joined in the 1980s what kind of adventure and consequences were there in the Kiwi military back then?

Science has since shown that the part of a male brain that is responsible for reasoning and calculating consequences is still developing well into his early 20's. Young men have always been reckless.

Like they say, if you aren't a Liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you aren't Conservative at 40 you have no brain.

He was a fan of the Village people.................

Funny, haha.

Actually, I joined because I was young and reckless, looking for adventure, not thinking of any consequences.

Adventure? Consequences? Assuming you joined in the 1980s what kind of adventure and consequences were there in the Kiwi military back then?

Science has since shown that the part of a male brain that is responsible for reasoning and calculating consequences is still developing well into his early 20's. Young men have always been reckless.

Like they say, if you aren't a Liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you aren't Conservative at 40 you have no brain.

You'd be suprised at the actions the NZ military get involved with...and at that time I remember being told to write a will as a bunch of volunteers, we prepared to go to Fiji during their first military coup.

I bet it was an over-40 year old conservative that said that...I am certain that you will find that most ivory tower types are liberals way after their 40th year, so that sort of disputes your assertion.

Adventure? Consequences? Assuming you joined in the 1980s what kind of adventure and consequences were there in the Kiwi military back then?

Science has since shown that the part of a male brain that is responsible for reasoning and calculating consequences is still developing well into his early 20's. Young men have always been reckless.

Like they say, if you aren't a Liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you aren't Conservative at 40 you have no brain.

You'd be suprised at the actions the NZ military get involved with...and at that time I remember being told to write a will as a bunch of volunteers, we prepared to go to Fiji during their first military coup.

I bet it was an over-40 year old conservative that said that...I am certain that you will find that most ivory tower types are liberals way after their 40th year, so that sort of disputes your assertion.

It's too bad NZ didn't dispatch you and the other saps to Fiji to confront the 10 man army that overthrew the Fijian government during their first military coup.

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Coups d'etat

On the morning of May 14, a section of ten masked, armed soldiers entered the Fijian House of Representatives and subdued the national legislature, which had gathered there for its morning session. Rabuka, dressed in civilian clothes, approached Prime Minister Timoci Bavadra from his position in the public gallery and ordered the Members of Parliament to leave the building. They did so without resisting. The coup was an apparent success, and had been accomplished without loss of life.

The matter was not settled there, however. As a Commonwealth Realm, Fiji's Head of State was the Queen of Fiji, Elizabeth II. The Fijian Supreme Court ruled the coup unconstitutional, and the Queen's representative, Governor-General Ratu Sir Penaia Ganilau, unsuccessfully attempted to assert executive power. He opened negotiations known as the Deuba Talks with both the deposed government, and the Alliance Party, which most indigenous Fijians supported. These negotiations culminated in the Deuba Accord of 23 September 1987, which provided for a government of national unity, in which both parties would be represented under the leadership of the Governor-General. Fearing that the gains of the first coup were about to be lost, Rabuka staged a second coup on September 25.

[edit] International involvement

Australia and New Zealand, the two nations with foremost political influence in the region, were somewhat disquieted by the event, but ultimately took no action to intervene. They did, however, establish a policy of non-recognition regarding the new government, suspending foreign aid in concert with the United States and the United Kingdom.

The Australian labor movement, taking the ousting of a Labor Party-led government as an affront to the worldwide labor movement, instituted an embargo against shipments to Fiji. As Australia was Fiji's largest foreign trading partner, this resulted in a large diminution in Fiji's international trade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Fijian_coups_d'%C3%A9tat

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Funny, haha.

Actually, I joined because I was young and reckless, looking for adventure, not thinking of any consequences.

Adventure? Consequences? Assuming you joined in the 1980s what kind of adventure and consequences were there in the Kiwi military back then?

Science has since shown that the part of a male brain that is responsible for reasoning and calculating consequences is still developing well into his early 20's. Young men have always been reckless.

Like they say, if you aren't a Liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you aren't Conservative at 40 you have no brain.

You'd be suprised at the actions the NZ military get involved with...and at that time I remember being told to write a will as a bunch of volunteers, we prepared to go to Fiji during their first military coup.

I bet it was an over-40 year old conservative that said that...I am certain that you will find that most ivory tower types are liberals way after their 40th year, so that sort of disputes your assertion.

Hardly, They just are clever enough to use the young libs to get rich - like Al Gore has.

i wonder if Al will get charged for groping that massage lady. Hasn't the statute of limitations run out? 

You can get charged for groping a massage lady?

She was around 50 years old at the time. 

Definitely should be an offence. (At least requiring a sanity hearing).

No wonder the (female) mods have it out for you. I'm keeping my opinion to myself. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10529110.stm

According to a US Army statement, Spc Manning was charged on Monday with eight violations of US criminal law and four violations of army regulations governing the handling of classified information and computers.

He is accused of downloading a classified video of a military operation in Iraq and transmitting it to an uncleared third party, in violation of a section of the Espionage Act, according to the charge sheet.

Spc Manning is also alleged to have abused access to a secret-level network to obtain more than 150,000 US state department cables, some of them classified. More than 50 cables are said to have been passed to an unauthorised person.

If convicted of all charges, he could face a prison sentence of between 50 to 70 years, according to army spokesman Lt Col Eric Bloom.

Yup, serious shit messing with intelligence data.

Amendments to the freedom of information act are needed (or a constant stream of celebrity/eco disaster news to distract the American taxpayer)

On another note... looks like wikileaks is now on the Thai banned list (I cant be bothered to proxy it, plus it is illegal! ):

This website has been blocked by ICT

As governments around the world start to formulate plans to control information (like the good ole days of the cold war), I wonder if the future of the internet will evolve into a 'peer to peer' encrypted system. Seems likely to me.

see: The Global Political Awakening and the New World Order

There is a new and unique development in human history that is taking place around the world; it is unprecedented in reach and volume, and it is also the greatest threat to all global power structures: the 'global political awakening.' The term was coined by Zbigniew Brzezinski, and refers to the fact that, as Brzezinski wrote:

For the first time in history almost all of humanity is politically activated, politically conscious and politically interactive. Global activism is generating a surge in the quest for cultural respect and economic opportunity in a world scarred by memories of colonial or imperial domination.[1]

It is, in essence, this massive 'global political awakening' which presents the gravest and greatest challenge to the organized powers of globalization and the global political economy: nation-states, multinational corporations and banks, central banks, international organizations, military, intelligence, media and academic institutions. The Transnational Capitalist Class (TCC), or 'Superclass' as David Rothkopf refers to them, are globalized like never before. For the first time in history, we have a truly global and heavily integrated elite. As elites have globalized their power, seeking to construct a 'new world order' of global governance and ultimately global government, they have simultaneously globalized populations.

...

The youth of the Third World are particularly restless and resentful. The demographic revolution they embody is thus a political time-bomb, as well. With the exception of Europe, Japan and America, the rapidly expanding demographic bulge in the 25-year-old-and-under age bracket is creating a huge mass of impatient young people. Their minds have been stirred by sounds and images that emanate from afar and which intensify their disaffection with what is at hand. Their potential revolutionary spearhead is likely to emerge from among the scores of millions of students concentrated in the often intellectually dubious "tertiary level" educational institutions of developing countries. Depending on the definition of the tertiary educational level, there are currently worldwide between 80 and 130 million "college" students. Typically originating from the socially insecure lower middle class and inflamed by a sense of social outrage, these millions of students are revolutionaries-in-waiting, already semi-mobilized in large congregations, connected by the Internet and pre-positioned for a replay on a larger scale of what transpired years earlier in Mexico City or in Tiananmen Square.

...

Brzezinski explains that literacy has made for greater political awareness, while TV has made for immediate awareness of global disparities, and the Internet has provided instant communications. Further, says Brzezinski, “Much of this is also spurred by America's impact on the world,” or in other words, American economic, political, and cultural imperialism; and further, “Much of it is also fueled by globalization, which the United States propounds, favors and projects by virtue of being a globally outward-thrusting society.” Brzezinski warns, “But that also contributes to instability, and is beginning to create something altogether new: namely, some new ideological or doctrinal challenge which might fill the void created by the disappearance of communism.” Brzezinski explains that Communism emerged in the last century as an alternative, however, today:

it is now totally discredited, and we have a pragmatic vacuum in the world today regarding doctrines. But I see the beginnings, in writings and stirrings, of the making of a doctrine which combines anti-Americanism with anti-globalization, and the two could become a powerful force in a world that is very unequal and turbulent.[59]

A question following Brzezinski’s speech asked him to expand upon how to address the notion of and deal with the ‘global political awakening’. Brzezinski explained that, “We deal with the world as it is and we are as we are. If we are to use our power intelligently and if we are to move in the right direction, we have no choice but do it incrementally.”[60] In other words, as Brzezinski has detailed his vision of a solution to world problems in creating the conditions for global governance; they must do it “incrementally,” for that is how to “use [their] power intelligently.” The solution to the ‘global political awakening’, in the view from the top, is to continue to create the apparatus of an oppressive global government.

My father told me to join up or face jail ( rough bunch of pals where I lived in Wolverhampton ).

Hated every minute of basic training, but slowly came to appreciate the comradeship and quality of my fellow servicemen. This realisation sort of crept up on me. One day I hated it, next I loved it.

Only mistake was being commissioned. After six years of active and exciting service, staff work beckoned. That was it, packed it in, couldn't face the desk in my mid-twenties. Very foolish mistake, number two.

My father told me to go back to Canada, at the time I was legal in US and Canada.

Basic training the first day they asked all the people with advanced degrees to step forward. They had KP duty for the duration of basic training.

I was offered NCO school to make me a sergeant and Vietnam cannon fodder quicker than the normal route. I refused.

I disliked the Army from the first day till the last minute. I was offered two commissions in Vietnam. I refused them both.

I came away from the experience a firm supporter of the draft.

People whose life depends on the Army act differently than people who are only in for a couple of years.

I think every American man and woman should serve in the Army for at least two years. I don’t care if they are sick or have an allergy. They should serve. Community service? Poop. Give them a gun and show them how to kill people.

I think every American parent rich or poor should have the same experience as my parents not sleeping nights wondering if I would make it back.

I don’t think there should be deferments for anything. College or marriage or anything.

They should all know first hand just what silly people run the government from the Commander and Chief on down.

Rich kids should sleep in a barracks next to poor black and Hispanic drug dealers.

And I think every boy should have a war. Males need to find out whether they are cowards or not at an early age so they can adjust the rest of their lives accordingly.

Very odd.

Interview: Julian Assange: Why the world needs WikiLeaks

Chris Anderson: Julian, welcome. It's been reported that WikiLeaks, your baby, has ... in the last few years has released more classified documents than the rest of the world's media combined. Can that possibly be true?

Julian Assange: Yeah, can it possibly be true? It's a worry -- isn't it? -- that the rest of the world's media is doing such a bad job that a little group of activists is able to release more of that type of information than the rest of the world press combined.

CA: How does it work? How do people release the documents? And how do you secure their privacy?

And here the leaked war logs are: wikileaks war logs Whoops.

This info could be used to generate a green light for Pakistan attack + Iran. Bye-Bye London.

Sunday, July 26 5pm EST.

WikiLeaks today released over 75,000 secret US military reports covering the war in Afghanistan.

The Afghan War Diary an extraordinary secret compendium of over 91,000 reports covering the war in Afghanistan from 2004 to 2010. The reports describe the majority of lethal military actions involving the United States military. They include the number of persons internally stated to be killed, wounded, or detained during each action, together with the precise geographical location of each event, and the military units involved and major weapon systems used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSDCfs6HBYY

Der Spiegel: http://www.spiegel.d...,708314,00.html

The Guardian: http://www.guardian....an-the-war-logs

The New York Times: http://www.nytimes.c...d/war-logs.html

The Guardian explains how they are reading the data:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/datablog/video/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-war-logs-video-tutorial

I think the only people that would show suprise at the exposure of these events are those that support the war, and I think the only people that would exhibit genuine suprise would be the gullible and ignorant redneck "patriots".

I think the only people that would show suprise at the exposure of these events are those that support the war, and I think the only people that would exhibit genuine suprise would be the gullible and ignorant redneck "patriots".

DNFTT

I think the only people that would exhibit genuine suprise would be the gullible and ignorant redneck "patriots".

The gullible and ignorant left-wing loonies might be surprised to find out that the Illuminati were not giving George Bush directions.

The gullible and ignorant left-wing loonies might be surprised to find out that the Illuminati were not giving George Bush directions

UG.. Have you ever visited The Louvre in Paris? Have you seen the Rothschild collections? (donated in lieu of taxes).

Imagine across the world, families and dynasties that have accumulated wealth beyond imagination. The top 1% of world wealth would be very interesting to study.

Seem hard to believe that the powers of empires fallen have not managed to cling to assets beyond the borders of a nation state.

1%

Who Rules America: Wealth, Income, and Power

Of course, the Illuminati are controlled by the reptilians and space aliens.

The New York Times had a piece on the new documents leaked. They show that the military believes the Pakistanis are helping the Taliban!! Wow, what a news flash!

I suspect as the files are analysed, scoops will emerge...

These are the images that didnt display earlier.

How much power do the member of the global 1% have? And could they stop.. or start wars?

Top 1% of private US wealth accounts for 43% of total US wealth. This I would argue is the 'illuminati'. The top of the pyramid. I would wager that hidden wealth accumulated over centuries, would push this figure even further towards a privately owned 'west'. Imagine if BP, Shell, or the large insurance titans gained a conscience...let alone the joe public shareholders...

nah... it aint gonna happen. Down we go.

USA Corp. Military for hire.

Imagine if BP, Shell, or the large insurance titans gained a conscience...let alone the joe public shareholders...

nah... it aint gonna happen.

A conscience according to who? anyone who did not agree with them would still be making up reasons why they are supposed to be the bad guys.

Afghan war logs: the secret special forces hit squads hunting Taliban leaders

Leaked documents reveal the existence of a "black" special forces unit called Task Force 373 which works to capture or kill any of around 2,000 Taliban leaders.

The unit, it has been reported, has worked like a death squad which searches out the target and kills him with little or no attempt at capture.

The Guardian, which received the documents, along with the New York Times and Der Spiegel, a German paper, said they showed that the squad has "killed civilian men, women and children and even Afghan police officers who have strayed into its path".

Very little was previously known about the activities of the units targeting the Taliban leadership, although some incidents have been reported and their basic existence has not been a well-kept secret. Some people believe such "black ops" units are a legitimate tool of war but their critics say they are operating outside the full control of the government.

One of the incidents reported in the leaked documents relates to an attempt to target Qarl Ur-Rahman, a Taliban commander, near Jalalabad.

The Guardian reported: "As they approached the target in the darkness, somebody shone a torch on them.

"A firefight developed, and the taskforce called in an AC-130 gunship, which strafed the area with cannon fire: "The original mission was aborted and TF 373 broke contact and returned to base. Follow-up Report: 7 x ANP KIA, 4 x WIA."

"In plain language: they discovered that the people they had been shooting in the dark were Afghan police officers, seven of whom were now dead and four wounded."

A second incident saw rockets fired at the hideout of a suspected Libyan Taliban leader called Abu Laith al-Libi.

The first reports claimed seven civilians were killed but it later emerged that they were all children and one was still alive but died 20 minutes later despite attempts to save its life.

A subsequent press release from coalition forces said the Taliban had used the children as a shield and, despite hours of monitoring, there had been no sign of them prior to the attack.

The initial internal report was marked not only "secret" but also "Noforn", which means it is not to be shared with the foreign elements of the coalition.

Telegraph

Afghan war logs: the secret special forces hit squads hunting Taliban leaders

Leaked documents reveal the existence of a "black" special forces unit called Task Force 373 which works to capture or kill any of around 2,000 Taliban leaders.

The unit, it has been reported, has worked like a death squad which searches out the target and kills him with little or no attempt at capture.

The Guardian, which received the documents, along with the New York Times and Der Spiegel, a German paper, said they showed that the squad has "killed civilian men, women and children and even Afghan police officers who have strayed into its path".

Very little was previously known about the activities of the units targeting the Taliban leadership, although some incidents have been reported and their basic existence has not been a well-kept secret. Some people believe such "black ops" units are a legitimate tool of war but their critics say they are operating outside the full control of the government.

One of the incidents reported in the leaked documents relates to an attempt to target Qarl Ur-Rahman, a Taliban commander, near Jalalabad.

The Guardian reported: "As they approached the target in the darkness, somebody shone a torch on them.

"A firefight developed, and the taskforce called in an AC-130 gunship, which strafed the area with cannon fire: "The original mission was aborted and TF 373 broke contact and returned to base. Follow-up Report: 7 x ANP KIA, 4 x WIA."

"In plain language: they discovered that the people they had been shooting in the dark were Afghan police officers, seven of whom were now dead and four wounded."

A second incident saw rockets fired at the hideout of a suspected Libyan Taliban leader called Abu Laith al-Libi.

The first reports claimed seven civilians were killed but it later emerged that they were all children and one was still alive but died 20 minutes later despite attempts to save its life.

A subsequent press release from coalition forces said the Taliban had used the children as a shield and, despite hours of monitoring, there had been no sign of them prior to the attack.

The initial internal report was marked not only "secret" but also "Noforn", which means it is not to be shared with the foreign elements of the coalition.

Telegraph

They make it sound like there's actually a war going on over there.

Afghan war logs: the secret special forces hit squads hunting Taliban leaders

Leaked documents reveal the existence of a "black" special forces unit called Task Force 373 which works to capture or kill any of around 2,000 Taliban leaders.

The unit, it has been reported, has worked like a death squad which searches out the target and kills him with little or no attempt at capture.

The Guardian, which received the documents, along with the New York Times and Der Spiegel, a German paper, said they showed that the squad has "killed civilian men, women and children and even Afghan police officers who have strayed into its path".

Very little was previously known about the activities of the units targeting the Taliban leadership, although some incidents have been reported and their basic existence has not been a well-kept secret. Some people believe such "black ops" units are a legitimate tool of war but their critics say they are operating outside the full control of the government.

One of the incidents reported in the leaked documents relates to an attempt to target Qarl Ur-Rahman, a Taliban commander, near Jalalabad.

The Guardian reported: "As they approached the target in the darkness, somebody shone a torch on them.

"A firefight developed, and the taskforce called in an AC-130 gunship, which strafed the area with cannon fire: "The original mission was aborted and TF 373 broke contact and returned to base. Follow-up Report: 7 x ANP KIA, 4 x WIA."

"In plain language: they discovered that the people they had been shooting in the dark were Afghan police officers, seven of whom were now dead and four wounded."

A second incident saw rockets fired at the hideout of a suspected Libyan Taliban leader called Abu Laith al-Libi.

The first reports claimed seven civilians were killed but it later emerged that they were all children and one was still alive but died 20 minutes later despite attempts to save its life.

A subsequent press release from coalition forces said the Taliban had used the children as a shield and, despite hours of monitoring, there had been no sign of them prior to the attack.

The initial internal report was marked not only "secret" but also "Noforn", which means it is not to be shared with the foreign elements of the coalition.

Telegraph

They make it sound like there's actually a war going on over there.

war crimes included

They make it sound like there's actually a war going on over there.

war crimes included

If that were really a concern of yours you'd be all for trying to stop the Taliban an al Qaeda.

Of course, the Illuminati are controlled by the reptilians and space aliens.

sorry for O.T.. but here is a nice clip from David 'Reptile' Icke... enjoy!

All part of the 'War on Terror'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNoduSUwN8Y

Squeeeeeel like a piggy boy!! Yeehhaaww!