CMU Fails To Provide Visa Support Documents

[CMX]

It is wonderful news that money is being refunded. I, for one, think that Dr. Matthew Kay has done a great deal for students by accepting full and personal responsibility. I briefly met Dr. Kay and have no doubt of his efforts on behalf of those who had already pre-paid for the canceled program. I even think it possible to suppose that his having taken on this burden, all of the responsibility, himself, was key to the full funding.

The manner in which the program cancellation was handled was reprehensible, and although I have no direct knowledge and am only extrapolating from long threads and longer experience of such matters, I think that its causes were more than one-sided.

It seems to have evolved that some students were not themselves fully responsible, and did not always attend. Moreover, it is said that many carried the casual dress style found in the city onto the campus, which has a dress code that is regarded seriously by administrators. These (apparently trivial, to modern students from abroad) factors may have hit a nerve within a proud institution. Certainly the way this matter was handled was harmful and reprehensible. But then, to school administrators, farang behaviors (students) may have represented a considerable threat. It is easy to dismiss such thinking, but I cannot, as I was not raised here. Moreover, there are certainly many other factors of which I'm ignorant (as I generally am).

Finally, I cannot too much suggest to all students who are here and in a quandary about their visas to coordinate immediately with their respective consulates. We know now that the U.S. Consulate has heard, and they may already be fashioning solutions for a case-by-case situations. The time is now and Google will tell their contact points.

Edited September 27, 2010 by CMX

[electracm]

In response to question about e-mail addresses. Suggest you do what I did, use Google search. I do not want to violate Forum rules - maybe the moderators can post email addresses but I can not. For the US Consul General, their general e-mail address works. This was verified by the Head of Consular Services when I talked to him on Saturday. I am not sure what results will come from complaining to the director of the Language Institute or President of CMU. I doubt if you will get any response but it may make you feel better. I did cc: the president of CMU and US Consul General on my concerns expressed to a US University with collaborative ties to CMU.

I think a question all non-Thais should ask of their home countries. "Why should our home nations be granting educational visas to CMU students who want to go study in our home countries when CMU has does this to citizens of our home country?"

Might not the best way to deal with this as regards letting international unis and other possibly interested parties know what's going down here be to send full and frank details to western countries' media?

This situation has a number of issues beyond courses and visa being cancelled, and newpapers in Oz and the UK seem to pick up these days on anything in Thailand that affects expats.

It might also help people who're planning to come here to live or work get some idea of what they're geting into. It's not all sun and smiles...

[shepsel]

Does anyone know of how to get a hold of Matthew Kay, other than email?

I have sent him emails, and I just get an automatic generated email saying that the LI and Cultural Exchange Programs have been cancelled. I have to get something specific in writing, and sending an email at this point is not an option.

[NancyL]

I like the idea to contact the media in our home countries, but unfortunately the U.S. media doesn't seem to care much about Thailand. However, the U.S. Consulate has promised to check out the situation. The more Americans they know have the problem, the better.

If you're caught in this situation, don't wait, thinking that maybe you'll get your money back. Contact your consulate or embassy NOW!

[NancyL]

I wish the mods would move this topic back to the Chiang Mai forum. I have friends who are affected by this and they said they looked on TV and couldn't find anything about the CMU situation. Perhaps that's why a newbie posted Matt's letter on the CM forum. Also, there may be some sort of pattern in CM since there is another thread on that forum about some falang teachers at International schools being tossed out. Remember it's not just westerns involved! I know one Japanese national who is also caught up in the CMU problem.

[lopburi3]

This is a visa topic from start AFAIK. The heading clearly states that and I can find no indication of it having been moved.

Posting of other threads on the same subject in the Chiang Mai forum became a problem and the threads were closed from my understanding.

[harveyBKK]

I understand things are out of people's control sometimes. I just think better information on Visa statuses, what to do, what options are available would be better. Or even a coordinated effort with the local consulates in town to work this out. Simply sending an email out saying "you're screwed, we tried, so sorry, don't hate us" isn't really enough.

For instance, the classes might be over and canceled, but I was in the CEP. I am on month 2 of my 12 month ED visa, based on volunteering with Burmese refugees, and teaching local Thai chefs how to make western food, and work more professionally by western kitchen/restaurant standards. It was a cool gig, and allowed for a lot of fun interactions and interesting oppurtunities. How else will any of the people I was working with going to get an experience like that? Paying for culinary school? Traveling to the West and working in a kitchen? It's a lot easier for me to come to Chiang Mai for 6-12 months and try and teach them some of those things myself.

Maybe there were freeloaders, maybe there were scofflaws, I don't know. Being in the CEP program, I don't really know what anyone else was doing, and I was rarely on the CMU campus. But in any case, there's a huge lack of clarity and transparency about what exactly happened. It would just be nice to know why they canceled the program.

I don't really know Dr. Matt, and I'm sure he fought the good fight. But I got an email saying it was over, as soon as it was over, with NO prior notice or information.

It seems he was fighting this for at least a few weeks. I heard over 2 months ago when I got to Chiang Mai my Visa letter was one of the last signed by the CMU president, saying they were ceasing to sign Visa applications for the CEP for the time being, throwing up a red flag. I was told I was fine because I had my Visa already. But tht means 2 months ago, something was up.

[hagler]

Not the best of situations.

However I can see the "other" side of the story too.

The over-riding concern expressed by the great majority of posters affected is about the loss of their visa. Not about the loss of their course. The loss of their visa.

From the Universities viewpoint that says it all.

[electracm]

I wish the mods would move this topic back to the Chiang Mai forum. I have friends who are affected by this and they said they looked on TV and couldn't find anything about the CMU situation. Perhaps that's why a newbie posted Matt's letter on the CM forum. Also, there may be some sort of pattern in CM since there is another thread on that forum about some falang teachers at International schools being tossed out. Remember it's not just westerns involved! I know one Japanese national who is also caught up in the CMU problem.

I second your suggestion... two posts on the CM forum were actually started a while ago when this first broke. One was quickly closed, with any reference to what might be the motivation of CMU deleted. I think the other was moved to this forum.

CM forum is an essential service for all expats here, and this is perhaps one of the most serious issues which has come up over the past four years or so, especially since Far Eastern Universtity suddenly changed thier minds about hosting the CEP and Thai classes.

This latest move by CMU to cancel all foreign students' visas, giving only four working days' notice, could essentially mean that no visas, whatever the type, can be relied on in the future here in CM. The thin end of the wedge??

The thread should be moved back, to the CM forum, ..moderators are very well able to deal with flaming, attacks or unproven rumours -- move it back , let the mods get on with their jobs and let those involved and the rest of the expat community know what their options are.

[RKO10]

Not the best of situations.

However I can see the "other" side of the story too.

The over-riding concern expressed by the great majority of posters affected is about the loss of their visa. Not about the loss of their course. The loss of their visa.

From the Universities viewpoint that says it all.

Hagler, the loss of the visa affects us more urgently. Personally, I like my class and teacher and am learning a lot, but I know I can find another language program. I could even pay my current teacher for private group lessons. If I lose my visa, then I'm subject to fines, imprisonment and deportation. There are quite a few people in the program who have Thai girlfriends, boyfriends, wives, husbands and children from whom we don't want to be separated.

As far as people who think this course has too few hours to qualify for an ED visa, Payap University has a similar course with 30 hours of instruction a month for which they provide visas. The CMU course has 20 hours a month of instruction, so I don't see much of a difference. Before we came here, we were promised by the university that they would educate us and provide us with visas for 1 year. That has not happened. Thus far, the only people who have communicated with the students in this situation are from IUS. LICMU has not taken any initiative about communicating to us the status of our courses, our money nor our visas. The only people who have received information had to go in personally and talk with the Director of LICMU. From what I can tell, LICMU is just throwing us overboard with no regard for our personal lives nor our contracts with them.

Shameful.

[harrry]

Although many students are not serious about studying many are. Of the first course I was the only one left at the finish and I did not need the visa though they have improved their game since then. I can understand CMU having concerns and taking steps to rectify this but the ones they have taken are not acceptible.

Cancelation of visas puts the students in a bad situation with many having to leave quickly after having made long term commitments. The theft of their fees also means many cannot afford to fund further courses.

I am disappointed with some of the posters who seem to think this does not matter.

[hagler]

Not the best of situations.

However I can see the "other" side of the story too.

The over-riding concern expressed by the great majority of posters affected is about the loss of their visa. Not about the loss of their course. The loss of their visa.

From the Universities viewpoint that says it all.

Hagler, the loss of the visa affects us more urgently. Personally, I like my class and teacher and am learning a lot, but I know I can find another language program. I could even pay my current teacher for private group lessons. If I lose my visa, then I'm subject to fines, imprisonment and deportation. There are quite a few people in the program who have Thai girlfriends, boyfriends, wives, husbands and children from whom we don't want to be separated.

As far as people who think this course has too few hours to qualify for an ED visa, Payap University has a similar course with 30 hours of instruction a month for which they provide visas. The CMU course has 20 hours a month of instruction, so I don't see much of a difference. Before we came here, we were promised by the university that they would educate us and provide us with visas for 1 year. That has not happened. Thus far, the only people who have communicated with the students in this situation are from IUS. LICMU has not taken any initiative about communicating to us the status of our courses, our money nor our visas. The only people who have received information had to go in personally and talk with the Director of LICMU. From what I can tell, LICMU is just throwing us overboard with no regard for our personal lives nor our contracts with them.

Shameful.

Then perhaps I could humbly suggest a different form of visa ? There are a multitude of them. The visa that has been issued in this case takes into account that the applicant is studying an approved course at an approved institution not that they have may Thai girlfriends, boyfriends, wives, husbands and children from whom they don't want to be separated. There are suitable visas for qualifying applicants in those cases.

IMHO this in only the tip of the iceberg in terms of "crackdowns" on the ED visa rorts that have been going on. It has been too "open" and too commercialised in recent years and now things are going to get tougher. You only have to look at the tightening of the qualifications for foreign teachers in recent years to see what is going to happen.

[electracm]

Not the best of situations.

However I can see the "other" side of the story too.

The over-riding concern expressed by the great majority of posters affected is about the loss of their visa. Not about the loss of their course. The loss of their visa.

From the Universities viewpoint that says it all.

Thai courses are all over this town -- if one closes, another can be reserved, with most offering visas. The Cultural Exchange Program was something different, an attampt to help the disadvantaged, open not only to long-stay residents here but to short-stay visitors who came here specifically to be of use.

What you may not know is, before this all blew up into a crisis, immigration, quite rightly, stated that in future students on Thai language courses must attend for at least 80 per cent of the course. If inattendance became obvious, the students would have their visas cancelled. Fair enough, no student I knew objected to that. - we all saw the sense in it as it would keep visa-hunters out.

What you don't seem to grasp is that those on the langauge courses who wish to stay here, probably the majority, can easily sign up for another language course and attend as required, so probably wouldn't make a fuss about that side of this coin. Having a visa cancelled when it still has a while to run, though ,is a different and far more serious problem, especially when it happens with no notice. Many newbies here have no idea about the best way to get another visa and there's very little informed help out there, with the exception of the US Consulate.

Many of those who came for the CEP were looking to get involved in the long-term. No chance now as it's been permanently cancelled. The university's point of view does not seem to take into account the number of its own people who will be hurt by this.

[RKO10]

Not the best of situations.

However I can see the "other" side of the story too.

The over-riding concern expressed by the great majority of posters affected is about the loss of their visa. Not about the loss of their course. The loss of their visa.

From the Universities viewpoint that says it all.

Hagler, the loss of the visa affects us more urgently. Personally, I like my class and teacher and am learning a lot, but I know I can find another language program. I could even pay my current teacher for private group lessons. If I lose my visa, then I'm subject to fines, imprisonment and deportation. There are quite a few people in the program who have Thai girlfriends, boyfriends, wives, husbands and children from whom we don't want to be separated.

As far as people who think this course has too few hours to qualify for an ED visa, Payap University has a similar course with 30 hours of instruction a month for which they provide visas. The CMU course has 20 hours a month of instruction, so I don't see much of a difference. Before we came here, we were promised by the university that they would educate us and provide us with visas for 1 year. That has not happened. Thus far, the only people who have communicated with the students in this situation are from IUS. LICMU has not taken any initiative about communicating to us the status of our courses, our money nor our visas. The only people who have received information had to go in personally and talk with the Director of LICMU. From what I can tell, LICMU is just throwing us overboard with no regard for our personal lives nor our contracts with them.

Shameful.

Then perhaps I could humbly suggest a different form of visa ? There are a multitude of them. The visa that has been issued in this case takes into account that the applicant is studying an approved course at an approved institution not that they have may Thai girlfriends, boyfriends, wives, husbands and children from whom they don't want to be separated. There are suitable visas for qualifying applicants in those cases.

IMHO this in only the tip of the iceberg in terms of "crackdowns" on the ED visa rorts that have been going on. It has been too "open" and too commercialised in recent years and now things are going to get tougher. You only have to look at the tightening of the qualifications for foreign teachers in recent years to see what is going to happen.

Hagler, I can't speak for anyone else, but the reasons I joined the program were three-fold. I wanted to live in Thailand with my gf, I wanted to learn Thai and I wanted to meet new people. As long as one of my main objectives was learning Thai and I met the requirements of the program, I don't see how I did anything the slightest bit ethically wrong. I signed up for this class, gave CMU $1,000, and then they closed the program with no refund in sight. I've missed one class in four months and have an earnest desire to learn Thai. I think the whole discussion about pure motives for the students is unimportant anyways. Yes, there might be a couple students who are just trying to get the visa and are not interested in learning Thai, but I haven't met any. If someone doesn't go to class, then they can be dealt with individually. The entire program should not be condemned. Furthermore, this may sound funny, but who joins a foreign language program in another country purely for the motive of learning another language? Most of the people who do this in any country want to sight-see, have a good time, try new food, etc.

Concerning visas, what other options do I have? There is no "girlfriend" visa. I'm sure that there are a few language programs, but what are they? AUA does not provide visas. Payap is really far from my apartment, which I got near LICMU because of my class and for which I have another 7 months on my lease, so that is not an option. What other decent programs are available?

[NancyL]

I also agree that the thread needs to be moved back to the Chiang Mai forum. This is an issue specific to those of us living in Chiang Mai and the rest of our community needs to be aware of what is going on related to CMU.

Moderators - come on - move it to the Chiamg Mai forum!!

[anselpixel]

I'm 63 years old, and didn't have a Thai wife, girl friend or under the table job awaiting me when I came to Chiang Mai to attend my language course.

If I had, it would have been nobody's business as long as I paid my money and attended classes.

It's a business proposition, and I see absolutely no reason anyone should take a morally outraged position about the details of other people's lives.

As for me, I came to CMU's language program in good faith, and have seen it abandoned to the bad faith of others. At first, I was hopeful a rational solution could be found, but that's gone by the way now. The communications I'm receiving indicate there will be no attempt to honor the contract I made with the various parties, and a refund, if there is to be one, can't be expected for 180 days at best. My belief is I have just lost a substantial amount of my retirement income for the year into a deal nobody but me expected to work.

I was in the US when I made my decision to attend the LICMU program, and I chose it because I wrongly assumed its affiliation with a state-chartered university would lend it stability and prestige. From the very beginning of my dealings with them, however, there were warning signs. Even the consulate that handled my application let me know they thought something was amiss when certain documentation was not provided them after repeated requests. Only through the good will of the consul was I able to secure a visa one day before boarding a plane for Thailand. By the time I arrived, I was already in the hole in terms of class attendance, because the program had moved my enrollment forward by an entire month. The program seemed very concerned about avoiding any appearance of fudging on the visas, and suggested I personally pay for "approved" tutorial sessions to make up the classes I had "missed." I agreed to this, and paid an independent teacher until I discovered she wasn't reporting our meetings to anyone at the University.

I'm no longer very keen on learning the language and remaining in Thailand as a retiree. I will look for other options here, but having already spent my education budget for the year, I don't know what choices are left. Although I can live comfortably on my income, it doesn't allow for multiple $1000 mistakes. If anyone has positive suggestions to make, I'm certainly happy to hear them. Lacking a deus ex machina solution in Thailand, I may have to pack my bags and go to another country. Thanks for hearing me out. My sympathies to all my fellow students.

[RogerL]

I also agree that the thread needs to be moved back to the Chiang Mai forum. This is an issue specific to those of us living in Chiang Mai and the rest of our community needs to be aware of what is going on related to CMU.

Moderators - come on - move it to the Chiamg Mai forum!!

OOPPS!! Did not notice that wifey had logged me off of TV and had logged herself in on my computer. It was my post under her name. Maybe an echo in here?

[kawtot]

Today I asked the CMULI (not IUS) Director's office for clarification about the 1 Year Thai and the CEP I'm enrolled in. I was handed a letter of explanation, addressed to Immigration, stating that the CMU relationship with IUS was severed from 30th Sept, and asking Immigration to set an end-date for my ED visa of 30th Sept.

Yes, 8 weeks wiped off my visa! (and still none the wiser - officially - about why the programs were abruptly and painfully cancelled)

The CMULI Director's representative told me that CMULI intends to refund fees to affected students, pending approval of their submission for same by the CMU President. Do you think that submission will be approved?

Immigration seemed a little bemused (I was their first case) and duly updated my visa. Do you think that CMULI will provide details of affected students to Immigration, re-setting their ED visa end-dates?

The Extensions officer said that this rule would apply to all affected students. Do you think there will be much grace offered by authorities to affected students who claim ignorance or late notification of this change?

I then applied for and was granted a 7 day extension of my ED visa. 1,900 Baht. As usual, Immigration staff were helpful, efficient, polite... and busy.

Note: My questions above are rhetorical... I am absolutely not trying to troll speculation. Just think about them and maybe discuss with your classmates, teachers, IUS staff, tourist police, consulate, etc; i.e. whomever you might reasonably go to for advice about this sticky mess.

[RKO10]

It looks like people visas are getting canceled as of 9/30/10. Whoever moves this forum to another section, please provide some kind of link so that we can find it later and stay informed.

[electracm]

I wish the mods would move this topic back to the Chiang Mai forum. I have friends who are affected by this and they said they looked on TV and couldn't find anything about the CMU situation. Perhaps that's why a newbie posted Matt's letter on the CM forum. Also, there may be some sort of pattern in CM since there is another thread on that forum about some falang teachers at International schools being tossed out. Remember it's not just westerns involved! I know one Japanese national who is also caught up in the CMU problem.

Now it's all foreigners, not just westerners... basically, CMU, after 30th, will be a segregated university. Heard from a friend who drove past there this monring that a great many people were demonstrating outside the Language Institute .. No prizes for guessing what about....someone should call CNN, they love demos!

[eek]

Can someone pm me Matthew Kay email address if they have it, thanks.

[anselpixel]

Has any TV member with more than 10 posts who has been a member since before this episode begun received any sort of refund yet?

.

Not I!

[rob101]

Has any TV member with more than 10 posts who has been a member since before this episode begun received any sort of refund yet?

.

Not I!

I know quite a few students who received refunds and I know for a fact that Dr. Matt paid airfares, overstays, and other monies from his own pocket - also I saw him at LICMU (until they kicked him out of the place, cancelled his work permit, and tried to have him arrested - all because he was fighting to get refunds out of LICMU for students!!!) giving out money to students everyday!

[Loaded]

Has any TV member with more than 10 posts who has been a member since before this episode begun received any sort of refund yet?

.

Not I!

I know quite a few students who received refunds and I know for a fact that Dr. Matt paid airfares, overstays, and other monies from his own pocket - also I saw him at LICMU (until they kicked him out of the place, cancelled his work permit, and tried to have him arrested - all because he was fighting to get refunds out of LICMU for students!!!) giving out money to students everyday!

OK, you know somebody bla bla but no established poster on this board shares your experience. Could you also explain why ISU is still taking payments for its programs?

http://www.teflcmu.com/payoptions

It's 2 months since they were informed there would be no more foreign programs at CMU LI, but their website doesn't contain a single message about this nor does it seem to want to stop payments.

Why?

[rob101]

I think if you follow the link all the way through - all the payments for the programs have been blocked.

Also: the story I heard today was that Professor Rien the new director of LICMU told all the students that they would get refunds if they took they letter he gave them to Thai immigration - when they did so their visas were cancelled - the letter said basically: "cancel my visa" - the problem Rien has is that Matt has refuses to tell him where the student records are and without them he cannot have all the foreign students visas cancelled which the president of cmu has ordered him to do.

BTW - the president of cmu will be touring LICMU on Monday 4 October to make sure that his orders have been followed and all the foreigners are out of the place - wouldn't it be great if we all just happened to be there when he arrived? What about it? I have a Thai friend that works there who will be happy to ring me as soon as he arrives then all the farangs that have been thrown out can ask him: <deleted>!!!!?????

[CMX]

Sad, sad, sad. Whatever eventuates, whatever has happened behind closed doors, this can come to no good.

But then again, nothing means nothing.

Edited September 27, 2010 by CMX

[electracm]

Has any TV member with more than 10 posts who has been a member since before this episode begun received any sort of refund yet?

.

Not I!

I know quite a few students who received refunds and I know for a fact that Dr. Matt paid airfares, overstays, and other monies from his own pocket - also I saw him at LICMU (until they kicked him out of the place, cancelled his work permit, and tried to have him arrested - all because he was fighting to get refunds out of LICMU for students!!!) giving out money to students everyday!

OK, you know somebody bla bla but no established poster on this board shares your experience. Could you also explain why ISU is still taking payments for its programs?

http://www.teflcmu.com/payoptions

It's 2 months since they were informed there would be no more foreign programs at CMU LI, but their website doesn't contain a single message about this nor does it seem to want to stop payments.

Why?

Why? Because they haven't got around to fixing the website yet -- this is Thailand, remember?

OK, I'm not an 'established poster' as I've always found I've had nothing much to add about fish and chips, hamburgers or the local pubs, but I have been reading this forum since 2 years before I came here in 2006., and I'm reasonably well-known in the community.

I guess that qualifies me to comment, whether you think so on not is of no concern to me.

I was also on CEP, for a year, and yes, I do know for certain that Matt has been paying out, as was Gill on his behalf. Also there were many genuine attempts to relocate or save the programs, all of which fell on deaf ears.

And if anyone would like to tell me I'm a 'guest' here, don't bother as, to most civilised people, the word 'guest;' means that respect, service and friendship is given by the host.

[kawtot]

Has any TV member with more than 10 posts who has been a member since before this episode begun received any sort of refund yet?

.

Not I!

I know quite a few students who received refunds and I know for a fact that Dr. Matt paid airfares, overstays, and other monies from his own pocket - also I saw him at LICMU (until they kicked him out of the place, cancelled his work permit, and tried to have him arrested - all because he was fighting to get refunds out of LICMU for students!!!) giving out money to students everyday!

OK, you know somebody bla bla but no established poster on this board shares your experience. Could you also explain why ISU is still taking payments for its programs?

http://www.teflcmu.com/payoptions

It's 2 months since they were informed there would be no more foreign programs at CMU LI, but their website doesn't contain a single message about this nor does it seem to want to stop payments.

Why?

I also know quite a few who have received refunds or funded transfers, including myself - late visa expenses only, because thats all I've claimed so far. But I only have about 20 posts on TV. Believe me or not; your choice.

Hey anselpixel, we'll miss you. I for one have no idea how to พุดคุย with a ladyboy any more :-)) Now, if ansel, who has 63 posts, can vouch for me, will I get some cred as a CMU student? Well... ex-student...

Who knows if IUS is still taking payments and under what circumstances or modified arrangements? Who knows if they still have normal access to their offices, administrative systems, web presence and so on at CMULI?

Loaded, I wish you could somehow be more constructive with your 'probing' questions. Have you emailed the webmaster or used their contact form to express your concerns?

[Loaded]

Has any TV member with more than 10 posts who has been a member since before this episode begun received any sort of refund yet?

.

Not I!

I know quite a few students who received refunds and I know for a fact that Dr. Matt paid airfares, overstays, and other monies from his own pocket - also I saw him at LICMU (until they kicked him out of the place, cancelled his work permit, and tried to have him arrested - all because he was fighting to get refunds out of LICMU for students!!!) giving out money to students everyday!

I'm not sure how CMU can cancel his work permit if he worked for a company named IUS?

[CMSteve]

Unfortunately, it looks like at least a few people were caught in the most recent shuffles and paid for classes within the past two weeks. They have not even been given 1 class! The Phuping Police station, just outside the main entrance of the University on Huay Kaew Rd., is taking reports. Please take the time to bring any paperwork that you have and make a report against whoever you paid, or think you paid. The officer in charge of this case is: Chalearmwut Sangriruang. If at all possible, please also bring a translator, or call the tourist police to send one for you.

Also, from my understanding, if you are on a visa extension because you're were taking classes, the extension ends on September 30, 2010. Please do whatever you need to do ASAP to make sure you are current.

Has any TV member with more than 10 posts who has been a member since before this episode begun received any sort of refund yet?

.

Not I!

I know quite a few students who received refunds and I know for a fact that Dr. Matt paid airfares, overstays, and other monies from his own pocket - also I saw him at LICMU (until they kicked him out of the place, cancelled his work permit, and tried to have him arrested - all because he was fighting to get refunds out of LICMU for students!!!) giving out money to students everyday!

OK, you know somebody bla bla but no established poster on this board shares your experience. Could you also explain why ISU is still taking payments for its programs?

http://www.teflcmu.com/payoptions

It's 2 months since they were informed there would be no more foreign programs at CMU LI, but their website doesn't contain a single message about this nor does it seem to want to stop payments.

Why?

I also know quite a few who have received refunds or funded transfers, including myself - late visa expenses only, because thats all I've claimed so far. But I only have about 20 posts on TV. Believe me or not; your choice.

Hey anselpixel, we'll miss you. I for one have no idea how to พุดคุย with a ladyboy any more :-)) Now, if ansel, who has 63 posts, can vouch for me, will I get some cred as a CMU student? Well... ex-student...

Who knows if IUS is still taking payments and under what circumstances or modified arrangements? Who knows if they still have normal access to their offices, administrative systems, web presence and so on at CMULI?

Loaded, I wish you could somehow be more constructive with your 'probing' questions. Have you emailed the webmaster or used their contact form to express your concerns?