Landslide Win For Suthep In Surat Thani By-Election

[animatic]

MAJIC' timestamp='1288518597' post='3992804

One can only hope that this result is a general indication that the Red Shirt Madness is over!

Don't be a tit.It's Surat Thani, a corrupt old style Democrat seat.I'm just surprised PTP got nearly 22,000 votes there

What was surprising to me, having read the other paper, was not that there were 2,481 spoiled ballot papers but that 12,060 people voted for no one ! How do they do that - is there a special box marked "none of the above" ?

Leave them blank.

They get logged in for having voted, but drop a blank sheet in the box.

Often done by those preferring a 3rd candidate, but who never got in the running

Thanks for that ,still like the idea of "none of the above" tick box though

They may well vote for other candidates in other races,

but for some races prefer one not there.

Edited November 1, 2010 by animatic

[SkyHigh]

One can only hope that this result is a general indication that the Red Shirt Madness is over!

Don't be a tit.It's Surat Thani, a corrupt old style Democrat seat.I'm just surprised PTP got nearly 22,000 votes there

By all means put on a brave face if you must,

Fact is the Red Shirts and Supporters have little or no chance of winning any future National Election!

LOL. Let it happens. Then you'll see.

Southern folks will forever and always vote for Dems. Likewise, Issan will eternally vote for Thaksin or his proxies or anything that is 'no-democrat'.

This is the way Thai election is about.

As long as the system works this way. There's no point bashing corrupted politicants. Only the bad will survive.

[mca]

Why vote for a yob who's friends have made sure you had less work this year,

versus voting for one who historically gets services delivered.

Not at all surprised at the local vote.

"Why vote for a yob who's friends have made sure you had less work this year,

versus voting for one who historically gets services delivered."

He sure does. This from The Nation in 2007 reporting on the Phuket Land Scandal

"September 13, 1992: Democrats win election The Democrat Party wins a general election held after the bloodshed uprising of May 1992. Its leader Chuan Leekpai assumes power as the prime minister.

The Democrat-led government faced a crisis of faith after two and a half years in power over a scandal of land reform programme in Phuket.

Agriculture minister Suthep Thaugsuban gave title deeds to 592 plots of land in Khao Sam Liam, Kamala and Nakkerd hills to 489 farmers.

It was later found that members of 11 wealthy families in Phuket were among the recipients. The scandal led to the House dissolution in July 1995".

http://www.nationmul...cs_30048446.php

Trying to resurrect a long dead scandal for current gain, eh?

In the interests of fairness Suthep's other little "faux pas" where the EC wanted to disqualify him and a few other Dems for having stakes in companies receiving concessions from the government was less than 18 months ago.

[jayboy]

Trying to resurrect a long dead scandal for current gain, eh?

The opposition has been trying to spin this one for nearly 20 years.

Suthep does something that was good, but the typical corruption of other people finds ways to get through loopholes. Suthep didn't personally hand out the titles. It was the usual ministry and influential persons shenanigans.

If you want to say Suthep wasn't successful in preventing this from happening I'll buy that, but they have tried to say for nearly 20 years that he directed this and not a shred of actual proof has ever been shown, just innuendo and accusations. But it keeps popping up like a macabre jack in the box.

So in Animatic's bizarro world Suthep is Mr Clean, not an old fashioned corrupt Southern Democratic politician with a long trail of sleaze and corruption.

The joke is that even Democrat pols in the tradition of Abhisit and Korn privately acknowledge their distaste in having to hook up with this scumbag

[rubl]

Trying to resurrect a long dead scandal for current gain, eh?

The opposition has been trying to spin this one for nearly 20 years.

Suthep does something that was good, but the typical corruption of other people finds ways to get through loopholes. Suthep didn't personally hand out the titles. It was the usual ministry and influential persons shenanigans.

If you want to say Suthep wasn't successful in preventing this from happening I'll buy that, but they have tried to say for nearly 20 years that he directed this and not a shred of actual proof has ever been shown, just innuendo and accusations. But it keeps popping up like a macabre jack in the box.

So in Animatic's bizarro world Suthep is Mr Clean, not an old fashioned corrupt Southern Democratic politician with a long trail of sleaze and corruption.

The joke is that even Democrat pols in the tradition of Abhisit and Korn privately acknowledge their distaste in having to hook up with this scumbag

I guess they told you so, in private ? Mind you calling an elected MP a 'scumbag' is not really nice. As a politician he might be a bit economical with the truth sometimes

[jayboy]

'rubl' timestamp='1288609842' post='3995144']

The joke is that even Democrat pols in the tradition of Abhisit and Korn privately acknowledge their distaste in having to hook up with this scumbag

I guess they told you so, in private ?

I said in the tradition of Abhisit/Korn, not them personally.I have spoken to a Democrat, a strong supporter of the latter, who did say -and I quote - Suthep was something of a cross to bear

[rubl]

I said in the tradition of Abhisit/Korn, not them personally.I have spoken to a Democrat, a strong supporter of the latter, who did say -and I quote - Suthep was something of a cross to bear

You may well be right, but remember in most parties there's a bit of strife amongst members. Mostly related to power and/or money. The 'other guy' is ALWAYS the 'bad guy'.

[Buchholz]

scumbag

a cross to bear

For the benefit of our ESL members:

scumbag ≠ a cross to bear

It's not even close.

Such inconsistency should be taken into consideration when determining the validity of other comments attached to the above.

Edited November 1, 2010 by Buchholz

[animatic]

Trying to resurrect a long dead scandal for current gain, eh?

The opposition has been trying to spin this one for nearly 20 years.

Suthep does something that was good, but the typical corruption of other people finds ways to get through loopholes. Suthep didn't personally hand out the titles. It was the usual ministry and influential persons shenanigans.

If you want to say Suthep wasn't successful in preventing this from happening I'll buy that, but they have tried to say for nearly 20 years that he directed this and not a shred of actual proof has ever been shown, just innuendo and accusations. But it keeps popping up like a macabre jack in the box.

So in Animatic's bizarro world Suthep is Mr Clean, not an old fashioned corrupt Southern Democratic politician with a long trail of sleaze and corruption.

The joke is that even Democrat pols in the tradition of Abhisit and Korn privately acknowledge their distaste in having to hook up with this scumbag

No I never said Mr. Clean. But I have read about the Land Title Deed episode and It comes across as more spin than facts. Recent history proves that those in the opposite side from Suthep will grasp at any straw to discredit him even 20 years later. And anyone else that stands between them and the trough.

His history is typical and not extraordinary.

But he takes care of his province, so they elected him again by a wide margin.

I suspect he makes a perfect fall guy, if needed, for the cleaner faction in Bangkok and someone who can get hands dirty dealing with dirty people on all sides. They are part of the world here, so some one must deal with them.

Edited November 1, 2010 by animatic

[SergeiY]

Trying to resurrect a long dead scandal for current gain, eh?

The opposition has been trying to spin this one for nearly 20 years.

Suthep does something that was good, but the typical corruption of other people finds ways to get through loopholes. Suthep didn't personally hand out the titles. It was the usual ministry and influential persons shenanigans.

If you want to say Suthep wasn't successful in preventing this from happening I'll buy that, but they have tried to say for nearly 20 years that he directed this and not a shred of actual proof has ever been shown, just innuendo and accusations. But it keeps popping up like a macabre jack in the box.

So in Animatic's bizarro world Suthep is Mr Clean, not an old fashioned corrupt Southern Democratic politician with a long trail of sleaze and corruption.

The joke is that even Democrat pols in the tradition of Abhisit and Korn privately acknowledge their distaste in having to hook up with this scumbag

Ultra bizarro indeed.

But some people seems just to talk all day without having any deeper knowledge about the specifics of Thai swamp of politics.

[animatic]

Just keep telling the same lie often enough,

who knows maybe someone will believe it in a history book.

[rubl]

Trying to resurrect a long dead scandal for current gain, eh?

The opposition has been trying to spin this one for nearly 20 years.

Suthep does something that was good, but the typical corruption of other people finds ways to get through loopholes. Suthep didn't personally hand out the titles. It was the usual ministry and influential persons shenanigans.

If you want to say Suthep wasn't successful in preventing this from happening I'll buy that, but they have tried to say for nearly 20 years that he directed this and not a shred of actual proof has ever been shown, just innuendo and accusations. But it keeps popping up like a macabre jack in the box.

So in Animatic's bizarro world Suthep is Mr Clean, not an old fashioned corrupt Southern Democratic politician with a long trail of sleaze and corruption.

The joke is that even Democrat pols in the tradition of Abhisit and Korn privately acknowledge their distaste in having to hook up with this scumbag

No I never said Mr. Clean. But I have read about the Land Title Deed episode and It comes across as more spin than facts. Recent history proves that those in the opposite side from Suthep will grasp at any straw to discredit him even 20 years later. And anyone else that stands between them and the trough.

His history is typical and not extraordinary.

But he takes care of his province, so they elected him again by a wide margin.

I suspect he makes a perfect fall guy, if needed, for the cleaner faction in Bangkok and someone who can get hands dirty dealing with dirty people on all sides. They are part of the world here, so some one must deal with them.

K. Suthep is a bit too young to be one of the 'old guard'. K. Banharn (a certified member) took care of his province. Broad highways, similar to Alaska's bridge to nowhere. Now somewhat older he managed to get one of his sons to be MP and more. K. Suthep didn't get that far yet. Probably won't get that far either as even in Thailand things are progressing (slowly).

So he won, landslide win as well. Good for him. Election Committee reported there were no irregularities reported, things are getting even better. Now waiting for a by-election of North. A situation with PTP, BJT and DEM's going through democratic procedures, as in Surat Thani. Show us it can be done, please.

Edited November 1, 2010 by rubl

[thaihome]

...Southern folks will forever and always vote for Dems. Likewise, Issan will eternally vote for Thaksin or his proxies or anything that is 'no-democrat'.

This is the way Thai election is about.

As long as the system works this way. There's no point bashing corrupted politicants. Only the bad will survive.

The southern and north and northeastern voters will always vote for the local strongman's candidate. Those candidates consistently deliver to their constituents and have little worry on getting elected.

It matters little to the voters who those MP's are aligned with in Parliament. This is well shown in Buriram where despite being aligned with the TRT/PPP for over 5 years, nothing was said when the MP’s switched to the BJT and voted with the Democrat coalition in December 2008.

One interesting fact that did come out of the 2007 election is where the voters place a single vote for a Party in the proportional voting, the Democrats and PPP were virtually tied and about 40% each. This shows that many voters though voting for a PPP candidate, when choosing a party, voted for the Democrats.

TH

[animatic]

...Southern folks will forever and always vote for Dems. Likewise, Issan will eternally vote for Thaksin or his proxies or anything that is 'no-democrat'.

This is the way Thai election is about.

As long as the system works this way. There's no point bashing corrupted politicants. Only the bad will survive.

The southern and north and northeastern voters will always vote for the local strongman's candidate. Those candidates consistently deliver to their constituents and have little worry on getting elected.

It matters little to the voters who those MP's are aligned with in Parliament. This is well shown in Buriram where despite being aligned with the TRT/PPP for over 5 years, nothing was said when the MP's switched to the BJT and voted with the Democrat coalition in December 2008.

One interesting fact that did come out of the 2007 election is where the voters place a single vote for a Party in the proportional voting, the Democrats and PPP were virtually tied and about 40% each. This shows that many voters though voting for a PPP candidate, when choosing a party, voted for the Democrats.

TH

And that may prove and even greater percentage

since PTP has proved it's serial incompetence in the last 2 years.

Oh, and serial immorality of allowable methods to regain power.

And the court cases for the Dems don't seem to figure a bit

in the publics calculations

Edited November 2, 2010 by animatic

[ianbaggie]

One can only hope that this result is a general indication that the Red Shirt Madness is over!

Don't be a tit.It's Surat Thani, a corrupt old style Democrat seat.I'm just surprised PTP got nearly 22,000 votes there

By all means put on a brave face if you must,

Fact is the Red Shirts and Supporters have little or no chance of winning any future National Election!

Nicely said MAJIC!!!! Jayboy always comes out with the same "piffle and Tosh"

[ianbaggie]

I'm just surprised PTP got nearly 22,000 votes there

Me too. These people who voted for PTP must have something wrong with their minds to want to elect criminal thugs (or those associated with such people) to lead them.

No you have got mixed up.The criminal thug Suthep is a member of the Democrat Party.

"The criminal thug" is a democratically elected Member of Parliament - with NO proven crimes against him - unlike your little chinese demi god Thaksin who is a terrorist, a thief, a liar and a back stabber - please read the facts before posting your billeous emotion led diatribe - The people of Thailand - at least the ones with a brain - realise that the PTP have NOTHING to offer but the return of thaksin and that would be as realistically advisable as the reinstatement of Idi Amin or making Adol Hitler in a joint coalition with Joseph Stalin President of the US!! by the way Jayboy - are you a Sun reader back at home?

[ianbaggie]

Trying to resurrect a long dead scandal for current gain, eh?

The opposition has been trying to spin this one for nearly 20 years.

Suthep does something that was good, but the typical corruption of other people finds ways to get through loopholes. Suthep didn't personally hand out the titles. It was the usual ministry and influential persons shenanigans.

If you want to say Suthep wasn't successful in preventing this from happening I'll buy that, but they have tried to say for nearly 20 years that he directed this and not a shred of actual proof has ever been shown, just innuendo and accusations. But it keeps popping up like a macabre jack in the box.

So in Animatic's bizarro world Suthep is Mr Clean, not an old fashioned corrupt Southern Democratic politician with a long trail of sleaze and corruption.

The joke is that even Democrat pols in the tradition of Abhisit and Korn privately acknowledge their distaste in having to hook up with this scumbag

Ultra bizarro indeed.

But some people seems just to talk all day without having any deeper knowledge about the specifics of Thai swamp of politics.

Like yourself SergeiY?????

[hammered]

I'm just surprised PTP got nearly 22,000 votes there

Me too. These people who voted for PTP must have something wrong with their minds to want to elect criminal thugs (or those associated with such people) to lead them.

No you have got mixed up.The criminal thug Suthep is a member of the Democrat Party.

The PTP is full of them too. No party has a monopoly on that one.

[hammered]

...Southern folks will forever and always vote for Dems. Likewise, Issan will eternally vote for Thaksin or his proxies or anything that is 'no-democrat'.

This is the way Thai election is about.

As long as the system works this way. There's no point bashing corrupted politicants. Only the bad will survive.

The southern and north and northeastern voters will always vote for the local strongman's candidate. Those candidates consistently deliver to their constituents and have little worry on getting elected.

It matters little to the voters who those MP's are aligned with in Parliament. This is well shown in Buriram where despite being aligned with the TRT/PPP for over 5 years, nothing was said when the MP’s switched to the BJT and voted with the Democrat coalition in December 2008.

One interesting fact that did come out of the 2007 election is where the voters place a single vote for a Party in the proportional voting, the Democrats and PPP were virtually tied and about 40% each. This shows that many voters though voting for a PPP candidate, when choosing a party, voted for the Democrats.

TH

True. It is worth spending time inm these areas especially around elections. The headmen's "advice" is crucial to how votes go too and they are always part of someones team.

[MikeyIdea]

Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan said the party appreciated that its candidate Worawut Wichaidit had received more than 20,000 votes.

Meanwhile, the party would continue running election campaigns in the South in preparation for the next election.

I wonder if the Dems are 'allowed' to run election campaigns in Issan?

The reception the PAD mob got in Surin is probably an indication they are not.

The answer to that question will give a great insight into the PTP and reds version of democracy.

You bring up a real and very important issue. The girlfriend of a friend of mone from the deep North-East told me 7-8 years ago (can't exactly remember which election) that when she went home to her own smallish village to vote, there were NO ballets for the Democratic party available and it was simply not possible to vote for them even if you wanted. Guess which side you could vore for? Guessing not necessary, Thaksin of course