Russia is a corrupt, autocratic kleptocracy centred on the leadership of Vladimir Putin, in which officials, oligarchs and organised crime are bound together to create a "virtual mafia state", according to leaked secret diplomatic cables that provide a damning American assessment of its erstwhile rival superpower.

Arms trafficking, money laundering, personal enrichment, protection for gangsters, extortion and kickbacks, suitcases full of money and secret offshore bank accounts in Cyprus: the cables paint a bleak picture of a political system in which bribery alone totals an estimated $300bn a year, and in which it is often hard to distinguish between the activities of the government and organised crime.

Among the most striking allegations contained in the cables, which were leaked to the whistleblowers' website WikiLeaks, are:

• Russian spies use senior mafia bosses to carry out criminal operations such as arms trafficking.

• Law enforcement agencies such as the police, spy agencies and the prosecutor's office operate a de facto protection racket for criminal networks.

• Rampant bribery acts like a parallel tax system for the personal enrichment of police, officials and the KGB's successor, the federal security service (FSB).

• Investigators looking into Russian mafia links to Spain have compiled a list of Russian prosecutors, military officers and politicians who have dealings with organised crime networks.

• Putin is accused of amassing "illicit proceeds" from his time in office, which various sources allege are hidden overseas.

The principal allegations stem from a Spanish prosecutor, José González, who has spent more than a decade trying to unravel the activities of Russian organised crime in Spain. Spanish authorities have arrested more than 60 suspects, including the top four mafia bosses outside Russia.

In a startling briefing for US officials in January, González said Russia was a "virtual mafia state" in which "one cannot differentiate between the activities of the government and OC [organised crime] groups".

González said he had evidence – thousands of wiretaps have been used in the last 10 years – that certain political parties in Russia worked hand in hand with mafia groups. He alleged that intelligence officials orchestrated gun shipments to Kurdish groups to destabilise Turkey and were pulling the strings behind the 2009 case of the Arctic Sea cargo ship suspected of carrying missiles destined for Iran.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-russia-mafia-kleptocracy

Journalist is one of the more dangerous occupations in the Russian Federation.

http://en.wikipedia....illed_in_Russia

Since 1993, 165 journalists have been murdered, another 200 have died from "murder,crossfire, terrorist act".

Does this stuff get any news coverage in Russia?

yes. why it shouldn't?

http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/1160234/rossiya_virtualnoe_mafioznoe_gosudarstvo

Journalist is one of the more dangerous occupations in the Russian Federation.

http://en.wikipedia....illed_in_Russia

Since 1993, 165 journalists have been murdered, another 200 have died from "murder,crossfire, terrorist act".

Okay, it was not in Russia, but videos that showed documented how journalists were murdered and documents that identified the killers were published on Wikileaks.

But you are one of those who somehow argue against wikileaks and the release of such documents.

And its at the moment mosty the USA who wants shut down wikileaks and probably get also their hands on those people who leaked and published the documents.

The whistleblower in the USA could probably get a death sentence.

Journalist is one of the more dangerous occupations in the Russian Federation.

http://en.wikipedia....illed_in_Russia

Since 1993, 165 journalists have been murdered, another 200 have died from "murder,crossfire, terrorist act".

Okay, it was not in Russia, but videos that showed documented how journalists were murdered and documents that identified the killers were published on Wikileaks.

But you are one of those who somehow argue against wikileaks and the release of such documents.

And its at the moment mosty the USA who wants shut down wikileaks and probably get also their hands on those people who leaked and published the documents.

The whistleblower in the USA could probably get a death sentence.

Since 1993 Russia 365 journalists killed. US how many? What whistle blower are you talking about?

Does this stuff get any news coverage in Russia?

yes. why it shouldn't?

http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/1160234/rossiya_virtualnoe_mafioznoe_gosudarstvo

That answers my question. It looks like the same story to me. Thanks SergeiY

Journalist is one of the more dangerous occupations in the Russian Federation.

http://en.wikipedia....illed_in_Russia

Since 1993, 165 journalists have been murdered, another 200 have died from "murder,crossfire, terrorist act".

Okay, it was not in Russia, but videos that showed documented how journalists were murdered and documents that identified the killers were published on Wikileaks.

But you are one of those who somehow argue against wikileaks and the release of such documents.

And its at the moment mosty the USA who wants shut down wikileaks and probably get also their hands on those people who leaked and published the documents.

The whistleblower in the USA could probably get a death sentence.

Since 1993 Russia 365 journalists killed. US how many? What whistle blower are you talking about?

I am talking about the famous video that was released by wikileaks under the title Collateral Murder.

Does that kind of stuff gets no coverage in the media you frequent? Seems so because you and koheesti and a few others kinda not understand what all this wikileaks is about.

Wikileaks has obtained and decrypted this previously unreleased video footage from a US Apache helicopter in 2007. It shows Reuters journalist Namir Noor-Eldeen, driver Saeed Chmagh, and several others as the Apache shoots and kills them in a public square in Eastern Baghdad. They are apparently assumed to be insurgents. After the initial shooting, an unarmed group of adults and children in a minivan arrives on the scene and attempts to transport the wounded. They are fired upon as well. The official statement on this incident initially listed all adults as insurgents and claimed the US military did not know how the deaths ocurred. Wikileaks released this video with transcripts and a package of supporting documents on April 5th 2010 on http://collateralmurder.com

PS. And yes also that video got coverage in Russia. The question is still open: why you think it wouldn't be the case?

Journalist is one of the more dangerous occupations in the Russian Federation.

http://en.wikipedia....illed_in_Russia

Since 1993, 165 journalists have been murdered, another 200 have died from "murder,crossfire, terrorist act".

Okay, it was not in Russia, but videos that showed documented how journalists were murdered and documents that identified the killers were published on Wikileaks.

But you are one of those who somehow argue against wikileaks and the release of such documents.

And its at the moment mosty the USA who wants shut down wikileaks and probably get also their hands on those people who leaked and published the documents.

The whistleblower in the USA could probably get a death sentence.

Since 1993 Russia 365 journalists killed. US how many? What whistle blower are you talking about?

I am talking about the famous video that was released by wikileaks under the title Collateral Murder.

Does that kind of stuff gets no coverage in the media you frequent? Seems so because you and koheesti and a few others kinda not understand what all this wikileaks is about.

Wikileaks has obtained and decrypted this previously unreleased video footage from a US Apache helicopter in 2007. It shows Reuters journalist Namir Noor-Eldeen, driver Saeed Chmagh, and several others as the Apache shoots and kills them in a public square in Eastern Baghdad. They are apparently assumed to be insurgents. After the initial shooting, an unarmed group of adults and children in a minivan arrives on the scene and attempts to transport the wounded. They are fired upon as well. The official statement on this incident initially listed all adults as insurgents and claimed the US military did not know how the deaths ocurred. Wikileaks released this video with transcripts and a package of supporting documents on April 5th 2010 on http://collateralmurder.com

PS. And yes also that video got coverage in Russia. The question is still open: why you think it wouldn't be the case?

Rank Country Rating

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1 Finland 9

Iceland 9

2 Denmark 10

Norway 10

3 Belgium 11

Sweden 11

4 Luxembourg 12

5 Andorra 13

Netherlands 13

New Zealand 13

Switzerland 13

6 Liechtenstein 14

Palau 14

7 Ireland 15

Jamaica 15

8 Estonia 16

Germany 16

Monaco 16

Portugal 16

Saint Lucia 16

9 Marshall Islands 17

San Marino 17

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 17

United States 17

10 Canada 18

Czech Republic 18

Lithuania 18

United Kingdom 18

11 Barbados 19

Costa Rica 19

Saint Kitts and Nevis 19

12 Bahamas 20

Malta 20

Taiwan 20

13 Australia 21

Austria 21

Hungary 21

Japan 21

Micronesia 21

14 Belize 22

Cyprus 22

Donimica 22

France 22

Latvia 22

Slovakia 22

15 Slovenia 23

Spain 23

Suriname 23

Trinidat and Tobago 23

Vanuatu 23

16 Grenada 24

Poland 24

17 Kiribati 26

Mauritius 26

Tuvalu 26

18 Ghana 27

Greece 27

Mali 27

19 Cape Verde 28

Israel 28

Nauru 28

Papua New Guinea 28

Sao Tome and Principe 28

South Africa 28

20 Italy 29

Samoa 29

21 Chile 30

Hong Kong 30

Namibia 30

Solomon Islands 30

South Korea 30

Uruguay 30

22 Benin 31

Guyana 31

Tonga 31

23 Bulgaria 33

24 India 35

25 Botswana 36

Croatia 36

26 Fiji 37

27 East Timor 38

Mongolia 38

Montenegro 38

28 Antigua and Barbuda 39

Bolivia 39

Dominican Republic 39

Serbia 39

29 Mozambique 40

30 Burkina Faso 41

Ecuador 41

31 Brazil 42

El Salvador 42

32 Nicaragua 43

33 Panama 44

Peru 44

Romania 44

34 Bosnia and Herzegovina 45

Philippines 45

35 Lesotho 46

36 Argentina 47

FYROM 47

37 Madagascar 48

Tanzania 48

38 Senegal 49

39 Albania 50

40 Republic of the Congo 51

Honduras 51

Mexico 51

Turkey 51

41 Guynea-Bissau 53

Nigeria 53

Uganda 53

Ukraine 53

42 Comoros 54

Indonesia 54

Kuwait 54

43 Lebanon 55

Malawi 55

44 Haiti 56

45 Nepal 57

46 Guatemala 58

47 Colombia 59

Egypt 59

Seychelles 59

Sierra Leone 59

48 Cambodia 60

Georgia 60

Kenya 60

Paraguay 60

49 Bhutan 61

Central African Republic 61

50 Algeria 62

51 Angola 63

Jordan 63

Niger 63

52 Morocco 64

Qatar 64

Zambia 64

53 Cameroon 65

Liberia 65

Malaysia 65

54 Armenia 66

Cote d'Ivoire 66

Guynea 66

Maldives 66

Moldova 66

Pakistan 66

55 Sri Lanka 67

56 Bangladesh 68

United Arab Emirates 68

57 Gabon 69

Iraq 69

Singapore 69

58 Kyrgyzstan 70

59 Afghanistan 71

Bahrain 71

Oman 71

60 Djibouti 72

61 Brundi 74

Chad 74

Togo 74

Venezuela 74

62 Brunei 75

63 Ethiopia 76

Swaziland 76

64 Azerbaijan 77

Tajikistan 77

65 Kazakhstan 78

Russia 78

Sudan 78

Yemen 78

66 The Gambia 79

67 Democratic Republic of the Congo 81

Saudi Arabia 81

Tunisia 81

68 Vietnam 82

69 Laos 83

Syria 83

70 China 84

Palestinian Authority territories 84

Rwanda 84

Somalia 84

71 Iran 85

72 Equatorial Guinea 89

Zimbabwe 89

73 Belarus 91

74 Uzbekistan 92

75 Cuba 94

Eritrea 94

Libya 94

76 Turkmenistan 96

77 Burma (Myanmar) 97

78 North Korea 9

And your point is?

What kind of list is it anyway?

And interesting is that a certain country seems to be missing on that list. Guess which one?

To prove/check your guess faster i put the countries from your list in an alphabetic order. found it? I wonder why it is not listed. How comes?

1Afghanistan 71

2Albania 50

3Algeria 62

4Andorra 13

5Angola 63

6Antigua and Barbuda 39

7Argentina 47

8Armenia 66

9Australia 21

10Austria 21

11Azerbaijan 77

12Bahamas 20

13Bahrain 71

14Bangladesh 68

15Barbados 19

16Belarus 91

17Belgium 11

18Belize 22

19Benin 31

20Bhutan 61

21Bolivia 39

22Bosnia and Herzegovina 45

23Botswana 36

24Brazil 42

25Brundi 74

26Brunei 75

27Bulgaria 33

28Burkina Faso 41

29Burma (Myanmar) 97

30Cambodia 60

31Cameroon 65

32Canada 18

33Cape Verde 28

34Central African Republic 61

35Chad 74

36Chile 30

37China 84

38Colombia 59

39Comoros 54

40Costa Rica 19

41Cote d'Ivoire 66

42Croatia 36

43Cuba 94

44Cyprus 22

45Czech Republic 18

46Democratic Republic of the Congo 81

47Denmark 10

48Djibouti 72

49Dominican Republic 39

50Donimica 22

51East Timor 38

52Ecuador 41

53Egypt 59

54El Salvador 42

55Equatorial Guinea 89

56Eritrea 94

57Estonia 16

58Ethiopia 76

59FYROM 47

60Fiji 37

61Finland 9

62France 22

63Gabon 69

64Georgia 60

65Germany 16

66Ghana 27

67Greece 27

68Grenada 24

69Guatemala 58

70Guyana 31

71Guynea-Bissau 53

72Guynea 66

73Haiti 56

74Honduras 51

75Hong Kong 30

76Hungary 21

77Iceland 9

78India 35

79Indonesia 54

80Iran 85

81Iraq 69

82Ireland 15

83Israel 28

84Italy 29

85Jamaica 15

86Japan 21

87Jordan 63

88Kazakhstan 78

89Kenya 60

90Kiribati 26

91Kuwait 54

92Kyrgyzstan 70

93Laos 83

94Latvia 22

95Lebanon 55

96Lesotho 46

97Liberia 65

98Libya 94

99Liechtenstein 14

100Lithuania 18

101Luxembourg 12

102Madagascar 48

103Malawi 55

104Malaysia 65

105Maldives 66

106Mali 27

107Malta 20

108Marshall Islands 17

109Mauritius 26

110Mexico 51

111Micronesia 21

112Moldova 66

113Monaco 16

114Mongolia 38

115Montenegro 38

116Morocco 64

117Mozambique 40

118Namibia 30

119Nauru 28

120Nepal 57

121Netherlands 13

122New Zealand 13

123Nicaragua 43

124Niger 63

125Nigeria 53

126North Korea 9

127Norway 10

128Oman 71

129Pakistan 66

130Palau 14

131Palestinian Authority territories 84

132Panama 44

133Papua New Guinea 28

134Paraguay 60

135Peru 44

136Philippines 45

137Poland 24

138Portugal 16

139Qatar 64

140Republic of the Congo 51

141Romania 44

142Russia 78

143Rwanda 84

144Saint Kitts and Nevis 19

145Saint Lucia 16

146Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 17

147Samoa 29

148San Marino 17

149Sao Tome and Principe 28

150Saudi Arabia 81

151Senegal 49

152Serbia 39

153Seychelles 59

154Sierra Leone 59

155Singapore 69

156Slovakia 22

157Slovenia 23

158Solomon Islands 30

159Somalia 84

160South Africa 28

161South Korea 30

162Spain 23

163Sri Lanka 67

164Sudan 78

165Suriname 23

166Swaziland 76

167Sweden 11

168Switzerland 13

169Syria 83

170Taiwan 20

171Tajikistan 77

172Tanzania 48

173The Gambia 79

174Togo 74

175Tonga 31

176Trinidat and Tobago 23

177Tunisia 81

178Turkey 51

179Turkmenistan 96

180Tuvalu 26

181Uganda 53

182Ukraine 53

183United Arab Emirates 68

184United Kingdom 18

185United States 17

186Uruguay 30

187Uzbekistan 92

188Vanuatu 23

189Venezuela 74

190Vietnam 82

191Yemen 78

192Zambia 64

193Zimbabwe 89

You asked, "PS. And yes also that video got coverage in Russia. The question is still open: why you think it wouldn't be the case?"

I gave you the answer. Russia does not have a free press.

What country is missing?

You asked, "PS. And yes also that video got coverage in Russia. The question is still open: why you think it wouldn't be the case?"

I gave you the answer. Russia does not have a free press.

What country is missing?

Thailand is not on that list of whatever. where is that list coming from and what are the criteria for the rank and rating? Without stating that your list is useless. and with the missing mention of Thailand somehow very odd.

And in case you don't notice it is the USA who makes currently a big noise about wikileaks and is trying to bring it down and i think you are taking a similar position here.

So where is your argument about free press related to wikileaks? You come here up with sources that shouldn't have been made public as it is your argument in the other topics.

You asked, "PS. And yes also that video got coverage in Russia. The question is still open: why you think it wouldn't be the case?"

I gave you the answer. Russia does not have a free press.

What country is missing?

Thailand is not on that list of whatever. where is that list coming from and what are the criteria for the rank and rating? Without stating that your list is useless. and with the missing mention of Thailand somehow very odd.

And in case you don't notice it is the USA who makes currently a big noise about wikileaks and is trying to bring it down and i think you are taking a similar position here.

So where is your argument about free press related to wikileaks? You come here up with sources that shouldn't have been made public as it is your argument in the other topics.

I was only answering your question, "The question is still open: why you think it wouldn't be the case?" Look up any list of countries and freedom of the press. Russia does not have one.

You asked, "PS. And yes also that video got coverage in Russia. The question is still open: why you think it wouldn't be the case?"

I gave you the answer. Russia does not have a free press.

What country is missing?

Thailand is not on that list of whatever. where is that list coming from and what are the criteria for the rank and rating? Without stating that your list is useless. and with the missing mention of Thailand somehow very odd.

And in case you don't notice it is the USA who makes currently a big noise about wikileaks and is trying to bring it down and i think you are taking a similar position here.

So where is your argument about free press related to wikileaks? You come here up with sources that shouldn't have been made public as it is your argument in the other topics.

I was only answering your question, "The question is still open: why you think it wouldn't be the case?" Look up any list of countries and freedom of the press. Russia does not have one.

And why is Thailand not on the list?

You answered nothing without given any information what this is for a kind of list and what is the ranking for and where do you get that list from.

Where is THailand? Did Thailand rank better or worse than Russia? Compare - got wikileaks coverage in Thailand? Did you take Thailand of the list or how comes that it is missing?

And because you argue against the release of this wikileaks its very odd that you think you could using it to complain about the press freedom in Russia. There is your position very illogical, except you just wanna bitch a little bit about Russia no matter what and issues like press freedom or the life of journalists are not really your concern.

In the end, if you would make any use of the things the freedom of the press offers to you you wouldn't be so terrible illinformed what wikileaks is all about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press_in_Russia

In 2009 Reporters Without Borders ranked Russia 153th out of 175 in the Press Freedom Index.

You asked, "PS. And yes also that video got coverage in Russia. The question is still open: why you think it wouldn't be the case?"

I gave you the answer. Russia does not have a free press.

What country is missing?

Thailand is not on that list of whatever. where is that list coming from and what are the criteria for the rank and rating? Without stating that your list is useless. and with the missing mention of Thailand somehow very odd.

And in case you don't notice it is the USA who makes currently a big noise about wikileaks and is trying to bring it down and i think you are taking a similar position here.

So where is your argument about free press related to wikileaks? You come here up with sources that shouldn't have been made public as it is your argument in the other topics.

I was only answering your question, "The question is still open: why you think it wouldn't be the case?" Look up any list of countries and freedom of the press. Russia does not have one.

And why is Thailand not on the list?

You answered nothing without given any information what this is for a kind of list and what is the ranking for and where do you get that list from.

Where is THailand? Did Thailand rank better or worse than Russia? Compare - got wikileaks coverage in Thailand? Did you take Thailand of the list or how comes that it is missing?

And because you argue against the release of this wikileaks its very odd that you think you could using it to complain about the press freedom in Russia. There is your position very illogical, except you just wanna bitch a little bit about Russia no matter what and issues like press freedom or the life of journalists are not really your concern.

In the end, if you would make any use of the things the freedom of the press offers to you you wouldn't be so terrible illinformed what wikileaks is all about

I really don't know why Thailand was not on the list. I just pulled a random listing off of Google and didn't even look at it. I know Russia is always at the bottom of any list. You can pick any list you like they are all the same.

I see your point about the WikiLeaks thing.

I am very much in favor of Freedom of the Press. Of all of our freedoms it is perhaps the most important one.

I am not in favor of censorship of any kind except where it may harm people like yelling fire in a crowded theater.

If you will notice my complaints about the WikiLeaks are in areas that are the same as yelling fire in a crowded theater. Listing names of Afghans who have cooperated with the US and listing critical industries and locations that if attacked could hurt the US.

We are in a war. It is not the same for you because you don't have family or friends who are fighting or who have died in this war. I don't even agree with the war but since we are there I would like to get the soldiers out and home safe before we begin to give information to the enemy.

You see I was a soldier. I understand what it is like to have access to classified information. It is a crime to steal that information and give it to a newspaper or the enemy.

Because of our laws about freedom of speech the US government has never been successful prosecuting a third party like a newspaper for publishing stolen classified documents.

So that puts them in a difficult position. I can see their position. I can also see that many on Thai Visa would like to see harm come to the US people and government. I can see their position too. But I think they should admit it. Stand up and be counted if you would like American and UK soldiers to die. I can understand that people feel that way but I think they should have the courage of their convictions and say so.

I remember watching the news videos of people in the Muslim world cheering when the Twin Towers were blown up. I think it is the same now with some on Thai Visa and they are enjoying seeing America have its secrets given to the enemy and realizing the harm that will eventually befall the country as a result of it.

Because of our laws about freedom of speech the US government has never been successful prosecuting a third party like a newspaper for publishing stolen classified documents.

Actually, the Supreme Court has ruled that the media can not be prevented from publishing such documents, but they CAN be prosecuted for doing so after the fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press_in_Russia

In 2009 Reporters Without Borders ranked Russia 153th out of 175 in the Press Freedom Index.

In 2010 they list Thailand on rank 153.

http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2010,1034.html

Did you hear in Thailand about the wikileaks?

Who wants to closed wikileaks and shut it down and is against the release of these documents? How these countries rank on that press freedom index list?

We are in a war. It is not the same for you because you don't have family or friends who are fighting or who have died in this war. I don't even agree with the war but since we are there I would like to get the soldiers out and home safe before we begin to give information to the enemy.

...

Wikileaks does nothing more that telling that part of the war story you wanna keep secret. War crimes, atrocities, the unlawful killing of civilians.

Is the truth the enemy? Are those who are against the war the enemy? Are those who wanna justice for war crimes the enemy?

Is the war in your country? are villages bombed in your country? Pregnant woman killed because they came to close to road check points? Journalists shot from an army helicopter like in the video above?

Does that happen in your neighborhood, to your family and to your friends?

We are in a war. It is not the same for you because you don't have family or friends who are fighting or who have died in this war. I don't even agree with the war but since we are there I would like to get the soldiers out and home safe before we begin to give information to the enemy.

...

Wikileaks does nothing more that telling that part of the war story you wanna keep secret. War crimes, atrocities, the unlawful killing of civilians.

Is the truth the enemy? Are those who are against the war the enemy? Are those who wanna justice for war crimes the enemy?

Is the war in your country? are villages bombed in your country? Pregnant woman killed because they came to close to road check points? Journalists shot from an army helicopter like in the video above?

Does that happen in your neighborhood, to your family and to your friends?

If you lived or worked in the Twin Towers yes these things happened. If you were taking a plane with your family that flew into the ground near the Pentagon yes. SergeiY, are you from a country that is affected by the war? I am. If you are not, all you are writing is things you have read about and not experienced.

We are in a war. It is not the same for you because you don't have family or friends who are fighting or who have died in this war. I don't even agree with the war but since we are there I would like to get the soldiers out and home safe before we begin to give information to the enemy.

...

Wikileaks does nothing more that telling that part of the war story you wanna keep secret. War crimes, atrocities, the unlawful killing of civilians.

Is the truth the enemy? Are those who are against the war the enemy? Are those who wanna justice for war crimes the enemy?

Is the war in your country? are villages bombed in your country? Pregnant woman killed because they came to close to road check points? Journalists shot from an army helicopter like in the video above?

Does that happen in your neighborhood, to your family and to your friends?

If you lived or worked in the Twin Towers yes these things happened. If you were taking a plane with your family that flew into the ground near the Pentagon yes. SergeiY, are you from a country that is affected by the war? I am. If you are not, all you are writing is things you have read about and not experienced.

9/11 is over rated and cannot be compared to the war in Afghanistan or Iraq nor justified it these wars.

In another comment you mentioned the difference of opinion between Americans and European when it comes to collateral damage and civilian casualties. That is probably because the Europeans know from the generation of their grandparents and parents what it means when war comes to town or to the village and that is not just for one singular terror attack at one day.

Americans totally lacking this experience. They have just the veterans and home coming heroes. That is a total different experience and they still haven't figured out that it is the war they started that kills their soldiers. If you send your soldiers to attack and occupy an other country you can hardly complain about that some of them get killed and that there is an enemy. It are the civilians that are the victims. But that gets probably no coverage in your country.

In another comment you mentioned the difference of opinion between Americans and European when it comes to collateral damage and civilian casualties. That is probably because the Europeans know from the generation of their grandparents and parents what it means when war comes to town or to the village and that is not just for one singular terror attack at one day.

Americans totally lacking this experience. They have just the veterans and home coming heroes. That is a total different experience and they still haven't figured out that it is the war they started that kills their soldiers. If you send your soldiers to attack and occupy an other country you can hardly complain about that some of them get killed and that there is an enemy. It are the civilians that are the victims. But that gets probably no coverage in your country.

Well said

SergeiY,

You have answered some questions.

Is 9/11 overrated?

Is America guilty of war crimes?

Does America have freedom of the press?

The topic of the thread was, “Wikileaks Coverage In Russia Does this stuff get any news coverage in Russia? “

You answered that question in post # 3 and I said thank you in post # 6.

If you and flying would like to start a thread about American war crimes and 9/11 being overrated why don't you do so.

Well said.

yes, and your lack of knowledge what wikileaks is all about and misunderstaning the concept of it and your attempt to imply that wikileaks maybe don't get coverage in Russia reveals that you don't make much use of that what the freedom of the press has to offer.

You started the whole 'we are at war' and 'amerikkka under attack' nonsense in your arguments. So don't blame me if i refer to it in my reply.

And these particular wikileaks you are mention in the OP just reveal how the USAmerican diplomats bitch about Russia.

So don't get to upset if someone criticize the USA or turn into your cold warrior mode if someone just made a pacifist statement.

Al Jazerra, Qatar's poodle is reporting that both China and Russia are censoring WikiLeaks. I heard it during the news between 2 and 3PM Thai time. If you want to watch.

yes, and your lack of knowledge what wikileaks is all about and misunderstaning the concept of it and your attempt to imply that wikileaks maybe don't get coverage in Russia reveals that you don't make much use of that what the freedom of the press has to offer.

You started the whole 'we are at war' and 'amerikkka under attack' nonsense in your arguments. So don't blame me if i refer to it in my reply.

And these particular wikileaks you are mention in the OP just reveal how the USAmerican diplomats bitch about Russia.

So don't get to upset if someone criticize the USA or turn into your cold warrior mode if someone just made a pacifist statement.

Do you think that Larry Sanger the co founder of Wikipedia knows what WikiLeaks is about?

Larry Sanger put it in a message to WikiLeaks, “Speaking as Wikipedia’s co-founder, I consider you enemies of the U.S.—not just the government, but the people.”

Has cold war II started?

Has cold war II started?

Who won the first one?

Has cold war II started?

Who won the first one?

Maggie Thatcher. If it wasn't for her we'd all be speaking Russian and eating vodka by now.

Has cold war II started?

Who won the first one?

Maggie Thatcher. If it wasn't for her we'd all be speaking Russian and eating vodka by now.

You mean there was a war between the USSR and America and England won the war? Better keep it quiet. I think it is still classified information.