Makes you wonder who was pulling the US's strings?

The Illuminati no doubt.

UG, we are going in circles........

That seems to be the nature of political threads.

It's alright UG.

I have not seen your opinion about the large scale privatization of Iraq state business that happened with the speed of light by Bremer.

And the implementation of a rule that more or less made the "Mercenaries" and the companies that hire them immune to any prosecution for whatever wrong they did.

Where is Chuck D by the way?

Does John Pilger have something to do with those subjects?

Well, I am most surprised and disappointed. I thought you would want to circle around to Somalia! North Korea? WWI & II perhaps?

The destruction of the American Indians and Hiroshima usually get dragged into these threads. Just wait a few minutes and someone is sure to oblige.

I keep hoping that these threads do go off topic.

Why not switch to Thai politics? I've noticed that farang political preferences tend to get a bit confused here.

I even recall some one insisting Taksin was a communist... (Red shirts... get it??)

What plan?

His Chemical and Nuclear weapons program.

Iraq's nuclear weapons program exists exclusively in your imagination (which lacks a minimum of technical knowledge) and the yada-yada you present here. there is no such thing like a nuclear weapons program without a site like "Os-Iraq" which was destroyed by israeli bombs june 7, 1981 !

but here's some ammunition for your rebuttal... even though it's full of stinking lies.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/nuke/program.htm

Yes, all my imagination and stinking lies, but don't forget the faked walk on the moon while you are on the subject.

Iraq had established a nuclear program sometime in the 1960s, and in the mid-1970s looked to expand it through the acquisition of a nuclear reactor.^[18] After failing to convince the French government to sell them a gas-graphite plutonium-producing reactor and reprocessing plant, and likewise failing to convince the Italian government to sell them a Cirene reactor, the Iraqi government convinced the French government to sell them an Osiris-class research reactor.^[19][20] The purchase also included a smaller accompanying Isis-type reactor, the sale of 72 kilograms of 93% enriched uranium and the training of personnel.^[21] The total cost has been given as $300 million.^[22] In November 1975 the countries signed a nuclear cooperation agreement and in 1976 the sale of the reactor was finalized.^[19]

^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera}

Naam, I am not too happy with you right now. It looked like this might all settle down, but now you've gotten the natives restless!

Having gone full circle, can't we find a different war to discuss. Actually, I learned quite a bit from the discussion so far.

Yes, all my imagination and stinking lies, but don't forget the faked walk on the moon while you are on the subject.

Ah ha! So you are one of those conspiracy theorists that disbelieve the moon landing.

Interesting.

It's the flag, the flag stands straight out and everyone knows there's no air on the moon so there can't be any wind to make the flag stand out.

And if you look carefully in the right hand corner you can see squirrel tracks.

The destruction of the American Indians and Hiroshima usually get dragged into these threads. Just wait a few minutes and someone is sure to oblige.

Bhopal is the one I favour dredging up, even though the evidence of around 20 000 dead is so irrefutable that the right-wingers refuse to get near the subject and just walk away from it.

Where is Chuck D by the way?

Bored silly with the rehash of it all.

It's the flag, the flag stands straight out and everyone knows there's no air on the moon so there can't be any wind to make the flag stand out.

And if you look carefully in the right hand corner you can see squirrel tracks.

It's the Van Allen radiation that gives me pause to wonder.

Mind you, Mythbusters devoted an entire episode to proving/disproving most common moon landing conspiracy theories, and they disproved all of the ones they tried.....so that proves beyond doubt that the landings did indeed occur.

They did not cover Van Allen Radiation though.

To reach the Moon astronauts would have to travel through the Van Allen Radiation Belts, resulting in lethal doses of radiation.

This is a claim the hoax advocates often make, but it is a gross exaggeration and simply not supported by the data. Radiation was a definite concern for NASA before the first space flights, but they invested a great deal of research into it and determined the hazard was minimal. It took Apollo only about an hour to pass through the worst part of the radiation belts - once on the outbound trip and once again on the return trip. The total radiation dose received by the astronauts was about one rem. A person will experience radiation sickness with a dose of 100-200 rem, and death with a dose of 300+ rem. Clearly the doses received fall well below anything that could be considered a significant risk. Despite claims that "lead shielding meters thick would have been needed", NASA found it unnecessary to provide any special radiation shielding.

The hoax advocates also make the mistake of limiting themselves to two-dimensional thinking. The Van Allen Radiation Belts consist of a doughnut-shaped region centered on Earth's magnetic equator. The translunar trajectories followed by the Apollo spacecraft were typically inclined about 30 degrees to Earth's equator, therefore Apollo bypassed all but the edges of the radiation belts, greatly reducing the exposure.

http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

Mind you, Mythbusters devoted an entire episode to proving/disproving most common moon landing conspiracy theories, and they disproved all of the ones they tried.....so that proves beyond doubt that the landings did indeed occur.

Those guys look a little like they might work for Mossad - if you know what I mean

The book 'Gideon's Spies" gives some ideas and facts as to countries in that part of the world, their intelligence groups, source of arms, plans, methods, etc. It also gives some background on how nasty, vindictive,naive,greedy etc countries/people can be.

The book 'Gideon's Spies" gives some ideas and facts as to countries in that part of the world, their intelligence groups, source of arms, plans, methods, etc. It also gives some background on how nasty, vindictive,naive,greedy etc countries/people can be.

Unfortunately I don't need a book for that.

The destruction of the American Indians and Hiroshima usually get dragged into these threads. Just wait a few minutes and someone is sure to oblige.

Bhopal is the one I favour dredging up, even though the evidence of around 20 000 dead is so irrefutable that the right-wingers refuse to get near the subject and just walk away from it.

Another filthy conspiracy was the Trafigura scandal. Wait until you study that stinking can of worms.

I will look for Gideons spies and yes indeed I know how some people have absolutely no problem killing thousands of innocents for either the greater cause or personal gain.

Come on Chuck, we miss you dearly. You can see from this fred it can be a civilized discussion when we bring up some of those sensitive (for some) issues.

And UG the reason I brought up the economic side of the Iraq case is that it is not a well known thing and shines a bit of a different light on it.

More and more I can see that a lot of the conflicts and scandals in the world happening are for economic reasons and not so much for the reasons we are told to believe like the need to oust a dictator and spread "Democracy"

And that is one of the things I think Pilger is trying to tell us. Dig deep and dig deeper and you might be surprised what you will find.

And Scott would you mind telling us what the things discussed here were new info to you?

I for example was not aware of these interviews with Saddaaaaaaam being available until UG mentioned the guy that did them and I searched for the transcripts. Highly interesting read.

Anyway, I still wish all of us here a very nice year and I hope we all can add a few cents in recent and future topics that might shed a bit of light in the darkness of our knowledge.

Where is Chuck D by the way?

Bored silly with the rehash of it all.

I will refrain from pointing out the irony and a redundancy in that statement.

Pot, kettle and so forth.

And that is one of the things I think Pilger is trying to tell us. Dig deep and dig deeper and you might be surprised what you will find.

"Digging deeper" works both ways. Dig deep into the background of these anti-Americans on the left and you usually find they were supporters of the ol' USSR. Just don't get confused thinking that they are "searching for the truth" or "trying to help mankind". Sound familiar?

And that is one of the things I think Pilger is trying to tell us. Dig deep and dig deeper and you might be surprised what you will find.

"Digging deeper" works both ways. Dig deep into the background of these anti-Americans on the left and you usually find they were supporters of the ol' USSR. Just don't get confused thinking that they are "searching for the truth" or "trying to help mankind". Sound familiar?

No, doesn't sound familiar at all. I'm all for openess, honesty, and transparency, and I hope mankind is helped, and yet I have never supported the USSR (besides the fact that I'm too young to have been politically aware during the existance of the USSR).

It's odd that so-called "anti-Americans" are automatically branded "left". Does that imply that "America" is "right"?

It's also somewhat suprising that the term "anti-American" is bandied around and has become a "word", just like "anti-Semite" has become a "word"....yet there are no common "words" or terms for anti-(name a country), or anti-(name a religion)....why is that?

It's also somewhat suprising that the term "anti-American" is bandied around and has become a "word", just like "anti-Semite" has become a "word"....yet there are no common "words" or terms for anti-(name a country), or anti-(name a religion)....why is that?

Is this another conspiracy theory? You can put anti in front of many nouns and verbs and people often do:

anti-Catholic

anti-running

anti-exercise

anti-Communist

anti-Canadian...

And so forth. Do you ever get tired of making up this stuff?

Makes you wonder who was pulling the US's strings?

The Illuminati no doubt.

More likely Ahmad Chalabi who was the prime source of (pre-invasion) US intelligence on Iraq. And who was eventually exposed as an Iranian Spy .

BTW he was also the US choice to head up a new Iraq, which eventually was headed up by another Pro-Iranian named Nouri Al-Maliki.

Somehow the US just can't catch a break in Iraq

And that is one of the things I think Pilger is trying to tell us. Dig deep and dig deeper and you might be surprised what you will find.

"Digging deeper" works both ways. Dig deep into the background of these anti-Americans on the left and you usually find they were supporters of the ol' USSR. Just don't get confused thinking that they are "searching for the truth" or "trying to help mankind". Sound familiar?

1. Please show any quote from me that shows I do not like American people.

2. Please show any quote that I support the USSR regime.

My original question was that if you could provide evidence that if some things presented in the VDO were lies or not correct, please do so.

The same counts for the evidence I provided.

I wonder why any of you three refuses to answer my question on the illegal economic take over of Iraq and the immunity provided to those mercenaries.

Ore am I perhaps asking to many questions for you to comprehend?

Perhaps we've already answered your questions - over and over again - numerous times.

It's also somewhat suprising that the term "anti-American" is bandied around and has become a "word", just like "anti-Semite" has become a "word"....yet there are no common "words" or terms for anti-(name a country), or anti-(name a religion)....why is that?

Is this another conspiracy theory? You can put anti in front of many nouns and verbs and people often do:

anti-Catholic

anti-running

anti-exercise

anti-Communist

anti-Canadian...

And so forth. Do you ever get tired of making up this stuff?

You plainly did not get the gist of what I wrote.....of course anyone can place "anti" in front of many (any?) nouns or verbs. Duh.

If the terms you listed have been bandied around, and become commonplace, then they haven't been bandied around the circles I frequent, including this forum.

Have those terms become part of any lexicon, or have you just made them up?

Simmilarly, "phobia" can be suffixed to many nouns....Islamaphobia is one that is now becoming oft-used in the news media.

Same question...why is that?