Two Thai Detainees Face Additional Charge In Cambodia

[Buchholz]

It is possible that they already had evidence about other matters, and now these 2 people are in custody they may have been interviewed about this and the charges have followed from that, it may be something from weeks ago, months ago, years ago, or maybe during interview they said they had other intentions, maybe they said they were trying to see military strength in the area etc etc etc.

The other paper covers it better.

Read that and you'll learn how the "farce" charge of spying is bogus and how your fanciful explanations to explain the charges are unnecessary.

The espionage charge can get 10 years, the trespassing charge can get 18 months.

As said, bigger propaganda chip for Hun Sen.

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I guess you are referring to the BP, luckily I have one sitting here and my desk and have just read the report again, at NO point in the report does it refer to these charges stemming from the illegal entry/trespass. the report makes no mention of why the charges are brought, it mentions the prison term for such an offence, but does not mention when these charges stem from or for what actions they stem from, so like i say in my post it could stem from an incident, week, months or years ago, or the charges could be based on what they admitted to under inerview.

please try and deal with facts, trying to intimate the BP report makes the matter clearer is just pure nonsense on your part, hopefully now people will pick up the BP post and read it and see what nonsense you are talking.

You are trying to make out that these 'spying' charges relate to this instance of illegal entry and claim there is nothing there worth spying on, but at o point have you showed me a report thats tates the 'spying' charge stems from this illegal entry and not from another issue.

Is that clearer for you???

my, my, my. touchy.

anyway, you got the right paper, but maybe need to read it again. Read the part about why these 2 and not the other 5 were charged.

An additional clue is referring to the spy charges as "additional" and not "new", which if they were related to some other past incident, they would be.

Do you really think that if the additional charges are from some time ago and for somewhere else in Cambodia and think that this is all of a sudden the first anyone is hearing of it... well, sorry. No Sale.

You're grasping at straws.

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Edited January 11, 2011 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Are you like a WWE tag team with buscholz, we can call you the 'nonsense brothers', you specialist pin down can be the 'hyperbole smash' or some other such nonsense.

Oh and in future if you want to refer to my post then quote it, don't replace my quote with your nonsense comment, now run along.

Whatever this post is about, I'm glad you're not referring to me, but some other member by the name of buscholz

[Scott]

Are you like a WWE tag team with buscholz, we can call you the 'nonsense brothers', you specialist pin down can be the 'hyperbole smash' or some other such nonsense.

Oh and in future if you want to refer to my post then quote it, don't replace my quote with your nonsense comment, now run along.

Whatever this post is about, I'm glad you're not referring to me, but some other member by the name of buscholz

I think you are being referred to and let's not get personal.

[Buchholz]

It is possible that they already had evidence about other matters, and now these 2 people are in custody they may have been interviewed about this and the charges have followed from that, it may be something from weeks ago, months ago, years ago, or maybe during interview they said they had other intentions, maybe they said they were trying to see military strength in the area etc etc etc.

The other paper covers it better.

Read that and you'll learn how the "farce" charge of spying is bogus and how your fanciful explanations to explain the charges are unnecessary.

The espionage charge can get 10 years, the trespassing charge can get 18 months.

As said, bigger propaganda chip for Hun Sen.

The Thai Military have recently fired upon Cambodian civilians in this area who they claimed to be illegal loggers who had fired on them first. The point being that the area is controlled by the Thai Military on one side and the Cambodian Military on the other and both sides are prepared to open fire.

The situation could easily reach a flash point and a major engagement could ensue and if that happened knowledge of the formation and position of the opposing troops would be a distinct advantage. The seven were making notes and taking pictures so the Cambodian Military have every right to be upset with them and spying charges whether true or not would be hard to disprove.

Well, as there are no formations or positioning of any Cambodian troops on a scale of "a major engagement",

but instead just a few stragglers in well-worn out fatigues and a few guns, I think the national sovereignty of Cambodia isn't under threat... especially by the likes of someone like an elderly Veera.

The other one charged with espionage, however, has potential for being a super covert spy....

Look, here she's got a camera!! She must be filming the inner workings of a secret air base hidden somewhere in the E.U. as a warm-up exercise for her black ops in Cambodia. She's also wearing black to help conceal her disallowed presence.

Edited January 11, 2011 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Are you like a WWE tag team with buscholz, we can call you the 'nonsense brothers', you specialist pin down can be the 'hyperbole smash' or some other such nonsense.

Oh and in future if you want to refer to my post then quote it, don't replace my quote with your nonsense comment, now run along.

Whatever this post is about, I'm glad you're not referring to me, but some other member by the name of buscholz

I think you are being referred to and let's not get personal.

I agree. Let's not, random.

[Buchholz]

"collect information which might damage Cambodia's national security"

It's dried out scrub land and rice farms they walked by, not a nuclear power plant located on a ballistic submarine base.

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and why did they walk there then?

To look into complaints from the Thai locals that allege the temporarily-allowed Cambodians were staying a long time on Thai territory.

It certainly wasn't to use micro-cameras to covertly film the process of changing out the fueling rods at the Middleofnowhere Nuclear Power Plant.

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.....ALL thai locals? i read differently in the 2 english speaking yellowish newspapers.

You probably read differently because I never said all.

It certainly seems reasonable and worthwhile to look into something if only a few were to raise objections to a perceived loss of lands.

[random]

Are you like a WWE tag team with buscholz, we can call you the 'nonsense brothers', you specialist pin down can be the 'hyperbole smash' or some other such nonsense.

Oh and in future if you want to refer to my post then quote it, don't replace my quote with your nonsense comment, now run along.

The 'all removed, heck original post' should have been 'all removed, check original post', typo. Just trying to comply with new rules on quotes and embedded quotes

The rest of your post is a personal attack rather than a response on the contents / meaning of my reply. Naughty, or even 'not nice'. I guess you don't like discussions on content level ?

the post was removed because I pointed it out to the moderators that it breached forum rules, added to it being impolite hence my response, if you can't take it then don't dish it my friend.

Stick to the forum rules regarding quoting and we will get along just fine, I can accept that others have differing opinions however wrong and biased they are.

[random]

It is possible that they already had evidence about other matters, and now these 2 people are in custody they may have been interviewed about this and the charges have followed from that, it may be something from weeks ago, months ago, years ago, or maybe during interview they said they had other intentions, maybe they said they were trying to see military strength in the area etc etc etc.

The other paper covers it better.

Read that and you'll learn how the "farce" charge of spying is bogus and how your fanciful explanations to explain the charges are unnecessary.

The espionage charge can get 10 years, the trespassing charge can get 18 months.

As said, bigger propaganda chip for Hun Sen.

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I guess you are referring to the BP, luckily I have one sitting here and my desk and have just read the report again, at NO point in the report does it refer to these charges stemming from the illegal entry/trespass. the report makes no mention of why the charges are brought, it mentions the prison term for such an offence, but does not mention when these charges stem from or for what actions they stem from, so like i say in my post it could stem from an incident, week, months or years ago, or the charges could be based on what they admitted to under inerview.

please try and deal with facts, trying to intimate the BP report makes the matter clearer is just pure nonsense on your part, hopefully now people will pick up the BP post and read it and see what nonsense you are talking.

You are trying to make out that these 'spying' charges relate to this instance of illegal entry and claim there is nothing there worth spying on, but at o point have you showed me a report thats tates the 'spying' charge stems from this illegal entry and not from another issue.

Is that clearer for you???

my, my, my. touchy.

anyway, you got the right paper, but maybe need to read it again. Read the part about why these 2 and not the other 5 were charged.

An additional clue is referring to the spy charges as "additional" and not "new", which if they were related to some other past incident, they would be.

Do you really think that if the additional charges are from some time ago and for somewhere else in Cambodia and think that this is all of a sudden the first anyone is hearing of it... well, sorry. No Sale.

You're grasping at straws.

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Well i read it again, and again at no point does it refer to why they are charged with this additional charge, also it does not mention why these two were charged while others were not, I guess we are referring to the hard copy and not the website, I suggest you read it again, and no doubt other will dio the same and form their own judgement.

As for the term 'additional', have you now decided that this means these charges are related to the charges already brought, it simply means they have been additionally charged with another offence, that charge does not have to relate to the current charge.

Now lets stop all the hyperbole, present us all with a link that backs up your theory that these charges are related to the trespass charge and not related to some other matter. Also the scrubland you refer to is also referred to as a Cambodian military base. I suggest you try walking round a thai military base with a camera crew or taking photographs and see of espionage charges follow.

[rubl]

the post was removed because I pointed it out to the moderators that it breached forum rules, added to it being impolite hence my response, if you can't take it then don't dish it my friend.

Stick to the forum rules regarding quoting and we will get along just fine, I can accept that others have differing opinions however wrong and biased they are.

With the adapted forums rules on multiple embedded quotes, I just removed the text leaving the marker to find the original in place. To indicate I added 'all removed, check original'.

As for being impolite? Who, me? A pity the post was removed, I'd have liked you to point out what was impolite in it. Maybe a mod can still find it. I'll check.

[Cnxforever]

It is possible that they already had evidence about other matters, and now these 2 people are in custody they may have been interviewed about this and the charges have followed from that, it may be something from weeks ago, months ago, years ago, or maybe during interview they said they had other intentions, maybe they said they were trying to see military strength in the area etc etc etc.

The other paper covers it better.

Read that and you'll learn how the "farce" charge of spying is bogus and how your fanciful explanations to explain the charges are unnecessary.

The espionage charge can get 10 years, the trespassing charge can get 18 months.

As said, bigger propaganda chip for Hun Sen.

The Thai Military have recently fired upon Cambodian civilians in this area who they claimed to be illegal loggers who had fired on them first. The point being that the area is controlled by the Thai Military on one side and the Cambodian Military on the other and both sides are prepared to open fire.

The situation could easily reach a flash point and a major engagement could ensue and if that happened knowledge of the formation and position of the opposing troops would be a distinct advantage. The seven were making notes and taking pictures so the Cambodian Military have every right to be upset with them and spying charges whether true or not would be hard to disprove.

that's exactly why I wrote I hope that reason will remain - it could easily escalate - and in the event of a conflict the first thing the army would do is to rubb into everyones face how justified the hundreds of billions are they have been demanding from the government - and then they would ask for more - with a good percentage of course disappearing along the way into the right peoples pockets.

To escalate the situation is also in the interest of certain nationalistic nutcases under the disguise of religion - they can not attract many followers anymore - as the last yellow shirt protests have shown - so they need a rallying point for their followers -they revert back to stirring hatred against foreigners who are "stealing their land" - how ridiculous for educated people - but it seems here they still find enough people blinded by nationalism who believe them!

MP Panich has also his political future at stake - a member of the Democrats - he is very much indepted to the Santi Asoke religious sect who supported him during by-elections - Santi Asoke is actually based in Panich’s Constituency, Bangkok Constituency No. 6, and Panich was strongly supported during the by-election in 2010 by Santi Asoke’s Dharma Army - Mr. Chamlong the leader of the PAD is a key member of the Santi Asoke Sect , Mr. Veera is of course PAD as well. So we might see MP Panich (if he should be out of prison by then) switching sides to the New Politics party before elections because if Abhisit and the Democrats have any dignity left they will hopefully get rid of him asap.

The whole idea to go to the border was actually born at the Santi Asoke Sect - the abbot admitted that he acted on a letter from "concerned" Thai villagers near the border complaining that Cambodians had encroached on Thai soil !! It seems that every villager in the area carries a GPS device now to determine "who is encroaching on our soil "!

So if you are a GPS carrying Thai villager who has irrevocable evidence that foreigners (the bad Cambodians in this case) are encroaching on our land - you inform - NO NOT the police, army, border patrol or any other relevant government agencies -

but the abbot of a religious sect a right-wing monk with political right-wing connections - sent him a letter and he will be happy to assemble the "magnificent 7" - the "A team" - and take care of the problem on behalf of the Thai government by marching them past the GPS carrying concerned villagers deep into Cambodian territory from where they then call the Thai PM's secretary and tell him to tell the PM - "we are here, we have been arrested - and you have to get us out now" !! "Oh yes and tell Kasit to call his pal the "Gangsta"- "he won't pick up the phone - but tell him to call and annoy him anyway - 10 times if he has to!"

I think it is not Thailand's loss if the Cambodian court offers them a few years of hospitality in one of their prisons - Thailand is much better off without them!

[kropotkin]

Cnx forever - thank you for your information.

[metisdead]

A post with no format to it was removed. A few other posts about quoting were also removed.

Calm down please.

[rubl]

Begin removed, check original post ...

I think it is not Thailand's loss if the Cambodian court offers them a few years of hospitality in one of their prisons - Thailand is much better off without them!

This was the only part I can agree with. The rest was written in an agitated, or agitating way, similar as some anti-red-shirts do.

Edited January 11, 2011 by rubl

[hammered]

Somehow methinks old cuddly Hun Sen wont be letting anyone close to him anywhere near Thai teritory any time soon. This has a tit for tat retaliation waiting to happen written all over it especially as Cambodia has opened its arms to countless Thai criminals on the run who have walked into the country illegally and more recently the more outlandish lunatics at a poltical uprising that actually encouraged mass arson.

Thinking of it Hun Sun may not be able to allow the release of the Thais any time soon as they probably with their status provide a modicum of protection against a Thai backlash that will inevitably come now.

[Buchholz]

As there are around a dozen or so other ongoing and current threads that specifically discuss the specifics of cnxforever's post, perhaps we could keep this one in particular for discussing the topic of the thread title...

I'm intrigued with this super sleuthing James Bond assistant. Anyone know anything else about this "threat to national security"?

She certainly appears dangerous in that purple scarf...

The other one charged with espionage, however, has potential for being a super covert spy....

Look, here she's got a camera!! She must be filming the inner workings of a secret air base hidden somewhere in the E.U. as a warm-up exercise for her black ops in Cambodia. She's also wearing black to help conceal her disallowed presence.

[Buchholz]

Somehow methinks old cuddly Hun Sen wont be letting anyone close to him anywhere near Thai territory any time soon. This has a tit for tat retaliation waiting to happen written all over it especially as Cambodia has opened its arms to countless Thai criminals on the run who have walked into the country illegally and more recently the more outlandish lunatics at a political uprising that actually encouraged mass arson.

Thinking of it Hun Sen may not be able to allow the release of the Thais any time soon as they probably with their status provide a modicum of protection against a Thai backlash that will inevitably come now.

Amongst others, it's a wonder why they haven't arrested this convicted fugitive Thai , former Deputy Interior Minister Vatana Asavahame:

One wonders if it could be because he's the biggest shareholder in the Grand Diamond City Casino just across the border in Poipet?

After all, it's not far from a Cambodian military zone and one could easily use those upper floors for espionage power zoom lens photography and the roof for a spy satellite receiver.

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Edited January 11, 2011 by Buchholz

[Scott]

And just to remind some posters that this is an members forum and they are not welcomed to determine what others post.

[atyclb]

Would be interesting should Cambo be waiting for a substantial "fine payment" to secure their release. What happens overtly and covertly may be very different.

[jayjay0]

If you can't do the time,don't do the crime

being as they did it knowingly I would have to agree particularly when it is yellow-shirt Veera Somkwamkid second time.

Actualy if convicted yellow-shirt Veera Somkwamkid. Will get the punishment Thailand was not willing to give.

It is to bad individual people think that they can change things by breaking laws. The 7 people's action did not help the situation at all.

Why they did it is really any bodies guess. Mine is they were trying to incite Thai's and got caught with a stiffer attitude from Cambodia than they expected. Let them do there time and maybe emerge a little wiser.

Discussion is the only way to settle this. Even then there will be those on both sides of the border unwilling to accept it.

[webfact]

LANGUISHING THAIS

Two yellow shirts face espionage charges

By Piyanart Srivalo

Supalak Ganjanakhundee

The Nation

New turn in the case makes it more difficult for govt to help: Foreign Ministry

Detained yellow-shirt activists Veera Somkwamkid and his secretary face a new trial over charges of espionage, which could have them facing severe punishment in Cambodia, while the Thai government faces more difficulties in trying to help.

The Cabinet okayed a budget of more than Bt500 million for preparing the military to protect the border, as yellow-shirt activists mount further pressure on the government to help their detained colleagues.

Only Veera, who is leader of a People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) faction called the Thailand Patriots Network, and his secretary Ratree Pipatanapaiboon, will be tried today, while the other five Thai nationals, including Democrat MP Panich Vikitsreth, await court decision on their bail request.

"The additional charge faced by Veera and Ratree is causing more difficulty for the government to seek ways to help them," Chavanond Intarakomalyasut, the foreign minister's secretary, said.

The seven Thai nationals were arrested late last month while allegedly inspecting the disputed border area near Sa Kaew province's Ban Nong Chan district. This was Veera's second arrest since he was briefly held once last August.

Thailand and Cambodia have been disputing over this area since the late 1970s, but information from the Royal Thai Survey Department and the Foreign Ministry indicates that the group had walked 55 metres deeper into Cambodian territory.

This statement infuriated the yellow-shirt PAD movement, who labelled Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya and many other ministry officials as "traitors". They insist that the men were on Thai territory when they were arrested, and dismissed Cambodia's authority to prosecute them.

Kasit instructed concerned officials at the ministry yesterday to rephrase the statement, saying that "the group had gone beyond the [existing but unsettled] boundary line to an area that is effectively under the control of Cambodia". This is despite the fact that it was Kasit himself who had publicly said earlier that the group had walked 55 metres into Cambodian territory.

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said yesterday that from now on, the Cabinet only authorised the Foreign Ministry to provide information about the plight of the seven detainees in order to avoid confusion. Even the prime minister would not say anything on the matter, he said.

"All I have to say is that we have three policies for this: first we have to take care of and do our best to help the seven detainees; second we have to maintain good bilateral relations; and third we have to protect our sovereignty," Abhisit said.

During the Cabinet meeting yesterday, Abhisit brought up the issue of the detainees, saying that though Panich and the rest were not too well, they were in good spirits.

Kasit, meanwhile, told the Cabinet that he expected the Cambodian court to issue a verdict by this week but he did not know exactly when.

In related news, Defence Minister Pravit Wongsuwan has asked for a "secret" budget of Bt517 million for the military to take care of security matters in the border areas with Cambodia, a source said.

Thailand has boundary conflicts with Cambodia in many locations, including the areas near Ban Nong Chan and near the Preah Vihear temple.

The government dispatched the Thailand-Cambodia joint boundary committee's new chief, Asda Jayanama, to Phnom Penh yesterday to help seek solutions for the boundary dispute. Asda met his counterpart Var Kimhong and agreed to carry on negotiations to settle the conflict peacefully. The JBC chief is connected to the yellow-shirt movement.

-- The Nation 2011-01-12

[Credo]

I think they will be staying in Cambodia for a while.  Veera seems to like it there, so he should be happy.  

[webfact]

SPYING CHARGE

Cambodian court completes hearing against Veera

By The Nation

A Cambodian court on Wednesday completed questioning of two Thais, including Veera Somkwamkit, leader of Thai Patriots Network, who were charged with spying.

Another Thai charged with spying charge is Ratree Pipattanapaibul, secretary of the network.

The two were among seven Thais already charged with illegal entry into Cambodia and entering a Khmer military post without permission. One of the seven was Panich Vikitsetr, a Democrat MP.

They were arrested on December 29 while inspecting a field in Sa Kaew's Kok Sung district, opposite to Banteay Meanchay province of Cambodia.

Thai Foreign Ministry's spokesman Thani Thongpakdee said the hearings of Veera lasted about 45 minutes. Veera used to be arrested on charge of illegal entry last year near the site where he was held this time.

After the hearing, the two were brought back to Prey Sor jail where they were detained since they were taken to Phnom Penh, Thani said.

Referring to five others suspects, Thani said the Cambodian side has not yet set date of delivering the verdict.

The seven Thais last week testified against charge of illegal entry. They told the court that they entered Cambodia by accident.

-- The Nation 2011-01-12

[Buchholz]

As there are around a dozen or so other ongoing and current threads that specifically discuss the specifics of cnxforever's post, perhaps we could keep this one in particular for discussing the topic of the thread title...

I'm intrigued with this super sleuthing James Bond assistant. Anyone know anything else about this "threat to national security"?

She certainly appears dangerous in that purple scarf...

The other one charged with espionage, however, has potential for being a super covert spy....

Look, here she's got a camera!! She must be filming the inner workings of a secret air base hidden somewhere in the E.U. as a warm-up exercise for her black ops in Cambodia. She's also wearing black to help conceal her disallowed presence.

Ratree Pipatanapaiboon (center), the secretary of Thailand's former Yellow Shirts leader Veera Somkwamkid, is escorted by Cambodian police at Phnom Penh Municipal Court January 12, 2011. Cambodia has slapped charges of espionage on Pipatanapaiboon and Somkwamkid, two of seven Thai nationalists who trespassed into its territory last month, in a move that could reignite a diplomatic row between the two neighbours.

REUTERS

[Buchholz]

To hopefully put an end to random's seemingly endless postulations about the potential for the espionage charges to have emanated from some other unknown incident at an unknown location at an unknown time, rather than the common sense that should tell most people that the charges were over this incident AKA "additional" charges versus "new" charges...

Veera's interrogation was completed in one and a half hours after which he was escorted back to jail and Ratree was then interrogated by the court.

Her interrogation completed at close to noon and she was also immediately brought back to jail.

The charge of espionage carries a jail term of five to ten years and it may also mean that Veera and Ratree will not have bail granted.

Cambodian officials claim they found a hidden camera in a shirt button and a sound recorder on their bodies.

TAN Network - January 12, 2011

http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/tan/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1039516

[termad]

It is possible that they already had evidence about other matters, and now these 2 people are in custody they may have been interviewed about this and the charges have followed from that, it may be something from weeks ago, months ago, years ago, or maybe during interview they said they had other intentions, maybe they said they were trying to see military strength in the area etc etc etc.

The other paper covers it better.

Read that and you'll learn how the "farce" charge of spying is bogus and how your fanciful explanations to explain the charges are unnecessary.

The espionage charge can get 10 years, the trespassing charge can get 18 months.

As said, bigger propaganda chip for Hun Sen.

The Thai Military have recently fired upon Cambodian civilians in this area who they claimed to be illegal loggers who had fired on them first. The point being that the area is controlled by the Thai Military on one side and the Cambodian Military on the other and both sides are prepared to open fire.

The situation could easily reach a flash point and a major engagement could ensue and if that happened knowledge of the formation and position of the opposing troops would be a distinct advantage. The seven were making notes and taking pictures so the Cambodian Military have every right to be upset with them and spying charges whether true or not would be hard to disprove.

Well, as there are no formations or positioning of any Cambodian troops on a scale of "a major engagement",

but instead just a few stragglers in well-worn out fatigues and a few guns, I think the national sovereignty of Cambodia isn't under threat... especially by the likes of someone like an elderly Veera.

The other one charged with espionage, however, has potential for being a super covert spy....

Look, here she's got a camera!! She must be filming the inner workings of a secret air base hidden somewhere in the E.U. as a warm-up exercise for her black ops in Cambodia. She's also wearing black to help conceal her disallowed presence.

I amazed at the information you have at your finger tips.

Sitting in front of a computer in Bangkok you know for a fact the numbers and deployment of all Cambodian troops in that area. You also obviously know what weapons they are carrying, whether there are any mortor companies amongst them, whether or not there are any prepared dugouts,whether there are any scrimmed-up artillery pieces and whether there are any tanks laying just back from the border. A photo recon expert could well be able to establish all of these facts from the photos taken by the magnificent seven.

But Thailand doesn't need any military experts as they just need to telephone you, correct.

[webfact]

SPYING CHARGE

Cambodian court formally charges Veera with spying

By The Nation

Veera

A Cambodian court on Wednesday accused two Thais including Veera Somkwamkit, a leader of Thai Patriots Network of spying.

Another Thai charged with spying is Ratree Pipattanapaibul, secretary of the network.

The two were among seven Thais already accused of illegally entering Cambodia and entering a Khmer military post without permission. One of the seven was Panich Vikitsetr, a Democrat MP.

The seven were arrested on December 29 while inspecting a field in Sa Kaew's Kok Sung district, opposite to Banteay Meanchay province of Cambodia.

Thai Foreign Ministry's spokesman Thani Thongpakdee said Wednesday that after charging them, the Cambodian court allowed Veera and Ratree to testify against the charge.

Chavanond Indharakomalasutr, Thai FM's secretary, said in Bangkok that Veera refused to testify through an interpreter of the Cambodian court.

Veera said he would testify only through an interpreter provided by Thai embassy in Phnom Penh. Chavanond said Thai embassy is willing to do as requested but Cambodian law seems to prohibit to do so.

So the embassy will seek permission for Veera's wishes.

Chavanond said he has not yet received reports about Ratree.

Veera used to be arrested on charge of illegal entry last year near the site where he was held this time.

After the hearing, the two were brought back to Prey Sor jail where they were detained since they were taken from the border to Phnom Penh, Thani said.

Referring to five others suspects, Thani said the Cambodian side has not yet set date of delivering the verdict.

The seven Thais last week testified against charge of illegal entry. They told the court that they entered Cambodia by accident.

Meanwhile Thai Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban visited border province of Si Sa Ket which is adjacent to Cambodia.

He was accompanied by Army Commander in Chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha.

Suthep insisted that his inspection trip to Si Sa Ket had no bearing on the Thai-Cambodian relations.

"My trip is about a reafforestation project in honour of His Majesty, and he wanted to thank soldiers and participants for reafforestation in Kanthararak district.

He denied any linkage to today's Cambodian judicial inquiry on additional espionage charges against two of seven detained Thais in Phnom Penh.

When asked about the detained Thais, he said the government had already assigned the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to be the primary agency in charge of assisting in the legal defence and commenting on related issues.

He said, however, that he understands the Cambodian court is expected to rule on the case within this week.

He reaffirmed good neighbourly ties with Cambodia in every aspect.

-- The Nation 2011-01-12

[Buchholz]

for being a super covert spy....

The other paper covers it better.

Read that and you'll learn how the "farce" charge of spying is bogus and how your fanciful explanations to explain the charges are unnecessary.

The espionage charge can get 10 years, the trespassing charge can get 18 months.

As said, bigger propaganda chip for Hun Sen.

The Thai Military have recently fired upon Cambodian civilians in this area who they claimed to be illegal loggers who had fired on them first. The point being that the area is controlled by the Thai Military on one side and the Cambodian Military on the other and both sides are prepared to open fire.

The situation could easily reach a flash point and a major engagement could ensue and if that happened knowledge of the formation and position of the opposing troops would be a distinct advantage. The seven were making notes and taking pictures so the Cambodian Military have every right to be upset with them and spying charges whether true or not would be hard to disprove.

Well, as there are no formations or positioning of any Cambodian troops on a scale of "a major engagement",

but instead just a few stragglers in well-worn out fatigues and a few guns, I think the national sovereignty of Cambodia isn't under threat... especially by the likes of someone like an elderly Veera.

The other one charged with espionage, however, has potential

Look, here she's got a camera!! She must be filming the inner workings of a secret air base hidden somewhere in the E.U. as a warm-up exercise for her black ops in Cambodia. She's also wearing black to help conceal her disallowed presence.

I amazed at the information you have at your finger tips.

Sitting in front of a computer in Bangkok you know for a fact the numbers and deployment of all Cambodian troops in that area. You also obviously know what weapons they are carrying, whether there are any mortor companies amongst them, whether or not there are any prepared dugouts,whether there are any scrimmed-up artillery pieces and whether there are any tanks laying just back from the border. A photo recon expert could well be able to establish all of these facts from the photos taken by the magnificent seven.

But Thailand doesn't need any military experts as they just need to telephone you, correct.

OR...

just spend a few hours reading and watching on the web to discover what the Cambodian armed forces consist of.

It's pretty easy, because....

they really don't have anything that warrants being secretive about.

But that doesn't stop them from charging an elderly man and a lone, thin woman with spying on that which is not worth spying on.

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Edited January 12, 2011 by Buchholz

[Cnxforever]

"Veera said he would testify only through an interpreter provided by Thai embassy in Phnom Penh. Chavanond said Thai embassy is willing to do as requested but Cambodian law seems to prohibit to do so."

....that is correct most countries allow only officially appointed sworn court interpreters to make sure they are qualified.

Of course Mr. Veera is still so arrogant and thinks other countries should change their laws according to his needs - well he will be in for a surprise I think - or is he just dragging the hearing out to make sure he is still behind bars until the yellow shirt rally on the 25th - otherwise what would they rally about?? The terrible Democrat led government who is not willing to start an armed conflict with a neighboring country on the PAD's behalf?

What's next will Mr. Veera ask for his favorite judge from Bangkok to be flown in to preside over this case?

I just wonder why the Thai government and embassies are not so helpful when "regular" Thai citizens get into trouble abroad - oh of course I forgot there is a PAD foreign minister in charge!

So dear Thai citizens abroad - if you need help from your embassy because you entered a country illegally, overstayed your visa or whatever law you have broken there - make sure you wear yellow when you go there and mention - that you stood side by side with the FM at Suvarnabhumi airport during the occupation!

You will get foreign ministry officials to assist you, your very own interpreter and if you are very lucky the country which laws you broke will change these laws just for you!!

And who knows you might just be so lucky and get a private jet to take you home!!

There is a lot of material in there for Thai comedians like Mum to turn this into a movie when it's all over!!!

[Buchholz]

"Veera said he would testify only through an interpreter provided by Thai embassy in Phnom Penh. Chavanond said Thai embassy is willing to do as requested but Cambodian law seems to prohibit to do so."

Of course Mr. Veera is still so arrogant

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Gosh... you sure do raise a stink over a very simple and reasonable request.

[Credo]

A simple request. A reasonable request. But a request that is against the law.