Male Prostitutes Who Service Men Are Often Heterosexual

[Jingthing]

This poll is inspired from the discussion about the unfortunate gay man in Chiang Mai who was murdered by some live in young men companions. There was an interesting discussion that developed about whether male prostitutes who service men are often heterosexual, even though they do perform same sex acts for money. The discussion couldn't continue there as it was deemed off topic.

To me, this is obvious! Of course it is very common for such male prostitutes to have a heterosexual orientation. However, there were some strong voices (clearly from heterosexuals) saying that if you do the deed, even for money, you must by definition kind of like it, and be gay or bi, and can't by definition be a heterosexual. (Lacks imagination, I think, but they are entitled to their opinion.)

Thus this poll. I predict the gays/bis here will mostly agree with me, and the vote from the non-gays will be less in agreement, but we will see.

(Yes I said I wouldn't post in this forum, but this topic is too interesting for me to resist, and it can't go anywhere else and be on topic. I think it is somewhat similar to the infamous is attraction to ladyboys a gay thing thread ...)

Edited February 6, 2011 by Jingthing

[ProThaiExpat]

While my experience with sex workers is quite limited and 10 years in the past, I have concluded that straight Thai men were often sex workers and in fact predominate in that line of work. It was so prominent in those days that during the short time I was a sex tourist here, I began to insure, before employing them, that they were gay, as there is a world of difference between gays providing that service and straights.

My ten years here and observing and speaking to Thai gays has led me to also conclude that many Thai straight men are capable of enjoying sex with gays providing they don't have to reciprocate. Not burdened with the Christian-Judean guilt about same sex endeavors, when the circumstances are right, Thai straight men do it without much thought. Absence from females, alcohol or drug influence and financial situations including a night of free food and drink provided by an agreeable gay, etc. result with a straight man allowing a gay to service them. Granted, straight sex workers do "suffer" somewhat when required to play the passive role in sex and thus don't do it with the enthusiasm that gay sex workers do. I suspect that most gays who likewise have sex with women don't enjoy it as much as straight men. I certainly didn't.

Clearly, the more effeminate a gay is makes the same sex experience by a straight and gays on the way out, that much easier and more enjoyable. Caveat, this post contains broad generalities and the dangers that entails.

[tombkk]

JT, please provide a link to the thread you are referring to.

[isanbirder]

I get the impression that there are far more bisexual men among Thais than there are in the West. For an apparently straight man to go to bed with another man is no big deal. For this reason, I think the poll is simplistic, and any conclusion derived from it will be an unsafe generalisation.

[Jingthing]

- A link was asked for. I assume you mean to the aborted related discussion on the thread about the murdered man in C.M.

- Any poll done here is not a scientific poll and is for discussion purposes only. It is what it is and it isn't what it isn't. Please don't make this thread about picking apart the poll as opposed to discussing the topic implied by the poll.

- The poll topic question was not intended to only include THAI culture. If it had, I would have added that qualifier.

Carry on if you like.

Edited February 7, 2011 by Jingthing

[Pawpcorn]

Well, I have to agree with JingThing 100% on this one, and was thinking the same thing, when I was reading the thread on the Chiang Mai murder, so here's my insight on the topic:

First off, it's LAUGHABLE for a straight guy to be trying to get into analysis about all the Western-slanted-ideas of "sexual orientation" stuff and then start using labels like BI, here in Thailand! With all due respect, you likely haven't a CLUE about the complexities of sexual orientation, regardless of which country we're talking about, so don't even bother trying to "analyse", please.

Secondly ALL the Western world's styles of LABELING and QUANTIZING, when it comes to "sexual orientation" have NO application in LOS. It simply doesn't apply.

Here's the inside scoop; the mystery solver: In Thailand, ALL the boys (and I do mean 100%) while they are growing up... just hitting puberty and afterwards... they ALL PLAY with each other! Trust me on this! AND there is NO guilt associated with the act of playing, showering with, j*****g, or s*****g each other! It's just totally NORMAL behavior here. The parents know it's going on, everyone (who's Thai) knows it goes on, and it's just accepted a normal part of the progression from childhood to adulthood, for ALL the boys. Heck the girls even know exactly what the boys are doing, and sometimes get into the action.

FOCUS on... NO GUILT<<<!!! >>>NO GUILT ASSOCIATION WITH SEX<<<

Without the guilt factor, the boy's minds are allowed to develop, over time, into what they genuinely like, enjoy, and are attracted to doing, over time.

IMHO, it's about as healthy an approach to sexuality that is possible. Imagine, if you can, being gay, without the angst! OMG!

So then... out of this growing-up / evolving situation for the boys in Thai culture, evolve various results, with the following explanations, and "labels" that the Thais use:

The "Ladyboy", who feels like a woman, in her mind, thinks, acts, moves, and associates, in every way as a woman. I think it's puzzling to many who may not get to visit within the rural homes of the Issan provinces, just WHY ladyboys so often act with such authority and strength. But if you saw how, so often in the Issan (extended) families, the women are really (most often) the strong-willed ones, doing the majority of the work, holding the family together, doing jobs, raising their (and other women's) children while (don't flame me for this) the men SO OFTEN are off drinking, sleeping (it off), bullsh*tting, goofing off, rooster fighting, and God knows what else. SO...! The Woman is (in the majority of families, in Issan, at least) the STRONG one. So gone, is the "mystery" of why that ladyboy wants to tell YOU what to do, and loves "topping" you!

The "Man", who prefers women, meaning that they really only get aroused by women. Now... my direct experience in many many male bars and go-go bars... the majority of the guys are "Man". This is for a variety of reasons, percentages, opportunity, the courage it takes to either/or get up on stage and "perform" or go to a stranger's home or hotel room, and not be terrified, in the process, and others. These are the same guys who played with other boys things incessantly, when growing up, so it's really NO BIG THING to "show", as they say, nor is it really erotic or arousing to them. Later, (first hand experience, many times), alone with you in the bedroom... they are really not interested in much more than getting the job done, getting paid, and getting out of there ASAP. TOTALLY TRUE consistent behavior on these lines is that they'll play straight sex video on their mobile, and watch THAT and fantasize about THAT, to even BE ABLE to service you. I mean really(!) (to a few of the posters in the Chiang Mai murder thread) how much more proof do you need? I have MANY MANY experiences of seeing this, so it's not some isolated experience.

(This isn't to say that (outside this tread topic) many married Thai men enjoy a little quickie with another guy occasionally, but outside topic, and not an "orientation" issue.)

Then (thank God) you have the actual Thai "Gay". (This is THEIR term, so don't flame me on use of labels, please!) This is the guy who went through all the playing together process, and discovered, over time, that he really did enjoy playing with another guy, over playing with a girl. FORGET about your Western concept of "orientation"! Playing with a guy (in ALL respects, use your imagination) excites him, totally; it's that simple. These are the true gems... and rare as gems. THESE are the guys who actually REALLY ENJOY having sex (with another guy), will either top or bottom enthusiastically, and clearly are having so much fun, in the process, that there gets to be such a positive spirit going!! It can really be such a fun and magical time. THOSE are the times that make you truly rejoice having chosen to live in Thailand; a guilt-free, fun-loving, beautiful-souls kind of place, probably unlike ANYWHERE ELSE, in the world. God bless"Amazing Thailand"

Final point: Want to know if the guy is "Gay" or "Man"? Ask them(!) (outside earshot of other guys, because they may be a little shy or embarrassed to admit "gay" around the other guys). Just say: "Gay or Man?" They'll be happy to tell you! It's that easy; Mystery solved!

Just don't be surprised when 95% of them admit to being "Man".

And stay observant! If they have a guilty look ("I'm telling a lie" look) when they say "Gay." >>>They're NOT "Gay"(!),they're just lying about it, because they know you probably would prefer "gay" if you're asking about it and they want to do business. True Thai "gay", no problem, no "guilty look" in saying "gay". It's very easy to spot the "I'm-telling-a-lie 'look' after you've been here a short while, lol. Fortunately, Thai's are generally really lousy liars, lol.

Enjoy!

P.S. Jingthing, Kudos to you for posting here again, and welcome back!!

AND I hope I've kept this post within TV guidelines! I really really tried, Mods!

[Wavefloater]

Being heterosexual and admittedly being repulsed by the idea of male homosexuality for much of my life, I just can't imaging being in any situation where I could perform a gay act with anyone for any amount of money, so the opinions that were offered insisting that once anybody has consented to a gay encounter for money, they are (in essence) a gay person is understandable.

In truth, nobody knows what they'd do if their situation was dire enough. Desperate times call for desperate measures. If the OP is correct in telling us that straight people sometimes work servicing homosexuals for money, I feel very sorry for them. To be in such a horrible situation that they'd defy their own sexuality and go the other way must be extremely damaging to their inner spirit.

[cardholder]

Is male prostitution legal in Thailand ?

[dukkha]

Being heterosexual and admittedly being repulsed by the idea of male homosexuality for much of my life, I just can't imaging being in any situation where I could perform a gay act with anyone for any amount of money, so the opinions that were offered insisting that once anybody has consented to a gay encounter for money, they are (in essence) a gay person is understandable.

In truth, nobody knows what they'd do if their situation was dire enough. Desperate times call for desperate measures. If the OP is correct in telling us that straight people sometimes work servicing homosexuals for money, I feel very sorry for them. To be in such a horrible situation that they'd defy their own sexuality and go the other way must be extremely damaging to their inner spirit.

Thais do not suffer from Victorian sexual guilt...it is an activity like probably Rugby or Cricket is for you......there is no repulsion...this again is a western construct in the discourse......because I had sex with many wimmin in my early years it did not damage my inner spirit in fact I always enjoyed it, but there came a time when I felt I was being untruthful with wimmin and ceased this behaviour/activity...westerners by and large just dont get the fluidity of thai sexuality, they always seem to be bound up with guilt and repulsion...

In my 10 years in the Kingdom I found it a far healthier environment sexually than in Australia where gays are still being murdered for their sexual preference....if you want a greater understanding of thai male sexuality I suggest you read Professor Peter Jackson's book, Letters To Uncle Goh, it may be dated by now but he writes with insight and from his own experience....maybe it might repulse you if so I suggest you get on with being heterosexual and give this kind of discussion a miss.....or is your curiosity somewhat important to understand thai men.......remember you as a westerner will never get into the head of a thai, male or female, just as a white person will never get into the skin of a black person....get on with enjoying the other wonderful things that Thailand has to offer.....there is life after sex, and I am a living example of it...cheers!

[ProThaiExpat]

."there is life after sex, and I am a living example of it.."

My hat is off to you dukha for your admission of what most encounter in later life.

The heterosexual poster who discusses those who abhor same sex expression does qualify it to time, place and circumstances which is appropriate as the straightest of men with the most abhorrent attitude towards same sex usually have a change of attitude when incarcerated for a lengthy term of imprisonment while still in their early years.

I have often wondered if straight men who are referred to in the porn industry in the west as "gay for pay" actually acquire a softening of attitude after experiencing the type of sex they would not encounter if not for pay.

There was a movie years ago in which the Mexican-American actor Almos played the lead who had just got out of prison and when he re-commenced his sexual relations with his pre-prison female love, according to her complaints, he now wanted to only take her from the rear. I didn't come away with the impression that the implication was rectally, but I did come away with the impression that prison had in fact changed the way he liked to do it, while perhaps not changing he sexual preference of partners.

I pose the question, do straight Thai sex workers in the same sex business gradually change there preferences, whether it be method or partner???

[SantiSuk]

People who earn money for sex are perfectly capable of acting out many different roles in different environments when it comes to sex. Come to that delete the "who earn money for sex" bit

[Boo]

I once knew the star of gay porn movies who was a straight man married with kids. He was always the giver not the receiver, had a massive knob, highly sexed, liked the money & the "fame" associated with his roles but was straight in every sense except his job was to have sex with men on film. His wife had no issue with his job, he was always safe & was regularly tested.

This was in the UK during the late 90's. I once asked him if he had bi tendencies, he claimed not, a hole was a hole as far as he was concerned & he liked getting paid for something he was good at.

As for the suggestion that ALL thai boys shag or play with each other as part of their puberty. umm, what a strange claim to make!!

[Ijustwannateach]

Far too complicated to answer the poll. For example,

1. In most cases, I wouldn't think a Thai man would do anything for very long that he didn't really want to do, on the other hand-

2. Drugs, debt and other issues which could result in unemployability might make it a more attractice choice, furthermore:

3. The lack of homophobia in the culture here begs the question of how much our cultural constructions of 'gay' and 'straight' are in fact defined by that phobia- lacking the phobia, are the distinctions as clear?

[clinique]

tend to agree with jingthing. and also agree that Thai perception of sex with other males is in no way similar to western perceptions / beleifs. I would also add that Thais who are 'working ' are unlikely to admit to you what their orientation or preference is, mainly in order to avoid the truth getting back to their friends/co-workers. As the majority of them are looking for money and not relationship you may never know the truth in most cases. On the other hand if youknow themover a long period of time you may eventually become enlightened if an dwhen they trust you enough. Of course the caveat here is as with manyother posters these comments are generalisations.

[Pawpcorn]

As for the suggestion that ALL thai boys shag or play with each other as part of their puberty. umm, what a strange claim to make!!

Well... it's NOT a suggestion, nor a claim, really.

I understand being surprised about this, as I was also VERY surprised to learn this, as I did, first hand, through confidences (Thai friends telling me about childhood experiences) and happening to stumble upon the actual acts, in progress (upon which, quickly departing; let the boys have their fun).

Like I said... shocked me too, to learn this, but it also went a long way toward explaining the cavalier attitude the boys have about sex. It's really "no big thing" because of all of this.

A healthy attitude, 180 degrees opposite from the Western culture's highly sexualized mentality.

Think... forbidden fruit... highly desirable. Everyday fruit... ho-hum.... no big thing. Human nature.

[isanbirder]

tend to agree with jingthing. and also agree that Thai perception of sex with other males is in no way similar to western perceptions / beleifs. I would also add that Thais who are 'working ' are unlikely to admit to you what their orientation or preference is, mainly in order to avoid the truth getting back to their friends/co-workers. As the majority of them are looking for money and not relationship you may never know the truth in most cases. On the other hand if youknow themover a long period of time you may eventually become enlightened if an dwhen they trust you enough. Of course the caveat here is as with manyother posters these comments are generalisations.

More than once, I have met a boy in a 'host bar' who claims he is the only gay boy in the bar. For what it's worth (probably not very much)!

[clinique]

tend to agree with jingthing. and also agree that Thai perception of sex with other males is in no way similar to western perceptions / beleifs. I would also add that Thais who are 'working ' are unlikely to admit to you what their orientation or preference is, mainly in order to avoid the truth getting back to their friends/co-workers. As the majority of them are looking for money and not relationship you may never know the truth in most cases. On the other hand if youknow themover a long period of time you may eventually become enlightened if an dwhen they trust you enough. Of course the caveat here is as with manyother posters these comments are generalisations.

More than once, I have met a boy in a 'host bar' who claims he is the only gay boy in the bar. For what it's worth (probably not very much)!

That i beleive i would put down to a) a forward style and marketing. And as i understand some bars also have a 'rotation' to make sure everyone working gets the chance to go with customers.

[Fookhaht]

Side bar: Welcome back, Jingthing! You almost made it to the half-year mark!

The Gay Forum and You -- But Not for Me Anymore

[Jingthing]

Just back to start this thread, mate. It isn't the hit I was hoping for, so I regret it.

Is attraction to ladyboys a gay thing? -- it ain't

Edited February 9, 2011 by Jingthing

[mark45y]

All of the below I would consider Male P4P.

On line guys looking 80% gay.

Dancers Chiang Mai 70% gay.

Dancers Pattaya 50% gay.

Thai entertainers both dancers and singers in Thai night clubs. 50% gay.

Lady boys 99% gay. The Thai men I knew who are married to Thai lady boys are very masculine almost to a fault.

Response of Thai women to the above.

Dancers* OK liked the cash flow.

*Especially the John Holmes clones.

Entertainers, knew they were gay and didn't care enjoyed the notoriety and celebrity status.

I have never met a Thai woman who had a sexual relationship with a lady boy. Most find them sexually repulsive (and that is a mild word for how they describe them sexually).

I don't know about gay male bars as I have only been in go go's or Thai night clubs (not Karaoke).

Recently I have taken 6 women to gay go go bars.

3 of them reacted in a very positive sexual manner both with the dancers and me after we went home.

1 reacted in a very very positive manner after we went home. I was not the object of her affection I just happened to be there when the whirlwind blew threw.

1 reacted in a very negative way. She was upset that the males did not look more masculine. Perhaps it was the club. She reacted negatively also when we got home.

1 was indifferent.

I would assume Thai women have some form of Gaydar. If they do, either they don't care on a subconscious level that dancers are gay or don't know. That would mean that Thai women assume that there are very few gay Thai men. My impression is the opposite although I am certainly no expert.

About the comments of Pawpcorn they seem to match what I have seen and heard but it doesn't fit with the adult sexual behavior of Thais. They are not an erotic people. Not experimental. Very naive.

I think the same can be said for a lot of Western people who vacation or live here. The swingers, nudists, players don't vacation in Thailand. After all is said and done Thailand for the most part is pretty much vanilla land.

[SweatiePie]

Just back to start this thread, mate.

Evidently (or unfortunately) not true.

[SweatiePie]

Here's the inside scoop; the mystery solver

Sorry, Pc, but that isn't the "inside scoop" -

ALL the boys (and I do mean 100%) while they are growing up... just hitting puberty and afterwards... they ALL PLAY with each other!.......... everyone (who's Thai) knows it goes on

Some do and some don't - just as in any situation where boys of the same age are together in any country (British prep/public schools, for example). The idea that "ALL the boys" in Thailand, without exception, are indulging in some sort of onging all-in male pubescent orgy and that "everyone (who's Thai) knows it goes on" is simply absurd.

"labels" that the Thais use:

The "Ladyboy" ......

The "Man" .......These are the same guys who played with other boys things incessantly, when growing up ....

the actual Thai "Gay". (This is THEIR term, so don't flame me on use of labels, please!) These are the true gems... and rare as gems.

These are NOT labels that "the Thais" use with those meanings - far from it.

Most Thais, particularly Thai gays, never use the term "ladyboy" - this is a farang term, open to some interpretation. Most Thais, and the vast majority of Thai gays, use the term "kathoey" and that does not refer purely to men who like to dress and act as women or who have had TGS; it covers a broad spectrum from slightly fem gays to full transgenders.

Thais who speak little English use "Man" to describe themselves as straight to farangs; some are, some aren't; some use it to attract customers who prefer gay sex with straight men, others to put off customers they don't like and want to avoid. It is simply seldom if ever used in Thai conversation with Thais.

"Gay", for Thais, simply means homosexual. Its that simple.

Final point: Want to know if the guy is "Gay" or "Man"? Ask them(!) ........ Thai's are generally really lousy liars, lol.

Ask away - and in the commercial circumstances that you describe they'll either tell you what they think you want to hear (which could be either) or what they think will put you off (which, again, could be either).

Edited February 11, 2011 by sbk
inflammatory comments removed

[SweatiePie]

Far too complicated to answer the poll. For example,

1. In most cases, I wouldn't think a Thai man would do anything for very long that he didn't really want to do, on the other hand-

2. Drugs, debt and other issues which could result in unemployability might make it a more attractice choice, furthermore:

3. The lack of homophobia in the culture here begs the question of how much our cultural constructions of 'gay' and 'straight' are in fact defined by that phobia- lacking the phobia, are the distinctions as clear?

For once we are totally in agreement - although I would have used the term "pointless" rather than "complicated". How, for example, could a "straight" man who has by definition had little if any interaction with "Male prostitutes who service men" possibly be in an informed position to answer the poll?

The simple answer (none of the above) is that some are and some aren't, some enjoy it and some don't (and that includes many who are gay) and some are simply better actors than others.

[Jingthing]

Just back to start this thread, mate.

Evidently (or unfortunately) not true.

Ever heard of a butt post? That was an accident. Back off and don't make me post on this forum again, or it's not gonna be pretty, ya hear?

[mark45y]

Far too complicated to answer the poll. For example,

1. In most cases, I wouldn't think a Thai man would do anything for very long that he didn't really want to do, on the other hand-

2. Drugs, debt and other issues which could result in unemployability might make it a more attractice choice, furthermore:

3. The lack of homophobia in the culture here begs the question of how much our cultural constructions of 'gay' and 'straight' are in fact defined by that phobia- lacking the phobia, are the distinctions as clear?

For once we are totally in agreement - although I would have used the term "pointless" rather than "complicated". How, for example, could a "straight" man who has by definition had little if any interaction with "Male prostitutes who service men" possibly be in an informed position to answer the poll?

The simple answer (none of the above) is that some are and some aren't, some enjoy it and some don't (and that includes many who are gay) and some are simply better actors than others.

I can tell you how I know about it. I'll give you a few examples.

When I lived in Chiang Mai I took straight women to a particular gay go go because it 1. prepped them for the evening to use a cooking term. And 2. Because I liked the place. They had wild stage shows way beyond anything I had seen in Thailand before especially the boy scout one was really funny. Also they had two big, fat, old tranny comics who were good and I liked the repartee between the comics, me and my straight girls. It gave the guys a whole new dimension to their act and I think they really appreciated the extra material my little harem provided. They bought us drinks after the show for being good sports. I was even there one night when the place got raided and that was well worth the price of the drinks to watch.

The other experiences were acquired when I dated a Thai lady bar manager in Pattaya. We would visit her friends who were other bar managers and employees daily to eat and socialize before work. The men that the women lived with also worked in bars, mostly gay bars and I would watch them all prepare for work. I got to know a lot of them and listened as they talked about work and income and normal stuff.

I don't live in Pattaya anymore but a number of times a month I take the latest GF to eat and do the town which involves a trip to a couple of Female go go's and because I am a liberal person a couple of male go go's. What's good for the goose is good for the gander you know.

Do I know more about straight men who work in go go's than the average gay guy on Thai Visa?

The question I have for you is, how would a gay guy know about straight men who work in gay bars? Do straight men who work in gay bars talk to gay men about their female lovers/wives with any degree of honesty?

I think it is an interesting poll but I wonder at the placement in the gay forum because I don't see how gay guys would have the knowledge to answer.

[Pawpcorn]

About the comments of Pawpcorn they seem to match what I have seen and heard but it doesn't fit with the adult sexual behavior of Thais. They are not an erotic people. Not experimental. Very naive.

Mark45y, thanks for being able to concur with my first-hand experiences, above.

And regarding what you said about the end behavioral result, as adults... I agree with your appraisal wholeheartedly.

But I think the early freedom to "play together" DOES fit in, quite logically, with this end result, as I mentioned here (sex, being every-day, no big thing, not [Westernized Victorian / guilty pleasure] forbidden fruit":

As for the suggestion that ALL thai boys shag or play with each other as part of their puberty. umm, what a strange claim to make!!

Well... it's NOT a suggestion, nor a claim, really.

I understand being surprised about this, as I was also VERY surprised to learn this, as I did, first hand, through confidences (Thai friends telling me about childhood experiences) and happening to stumble upon the actual acts, in progress (upon which, quickly departing; let the boys have their fun).

Like I said... shocked me too, to learn this, but it also went a long way toward explaining the cavalier attitude the boys have about sex. It's really "no big thing" because of all of this.

A healthy attitude, 180 degrees opposite from the Western culture's highly sexualized mentality.

Think... forbidden fruit... highly desirable. Everyday fruit... ho-hum.... no big thing. Human nature.

[clinique]

Far too complicated to answer the poll. For example,

1. In most cases, I wouldn't think a Thai man would do anything for very long that he didn't really want to do, on the other hand-

2. Drugs, debt and other issues which could result in unemployability might make it a more attractice choice, furthermore:

3. The lack of homophobia in the culture here begs the question of how much our cultural constructions of 'gay' and 'straight' are in fact defined by that phobia- lacking the phobia, are the distinctions as clear?

For once we are totally in agreement - although I would have used the term "pointless" rather than "complicated". How, for example, could a "straight" man who has by definition had little if any interaction with "Male prostitutes who service men" possibly be in an informed position to answer the poll?

The simple answer (none of the above) is that some are and some aren't, some enjoy it and some don't (and that includes many who are gay) and some are simply better actors than others.

I can tell you how I know about it. I'll give you a few examples.

When I lived in Chiang Mai I took straight women to a particular gay go go because it 1. prepped them for the evening to use a cooking term. And 2. Because I liked the place. They had wild stage shows way beyond anything I had seen in Thailand before especially the boy scout one was really funny. Also they had two big, fat, old tranny comics who were good and I liked the repartee between the comics, me and my straight girls. It gave the guys a whole new dimension to their act and I think they really appreciated the extra material my little harem provided. They bought us drinks after the show for being good sports. I was even there one night when the place got raided and that was well worth the price of the drinks to watch.

The other experiences were acquired when I dated a Thai lady bar manager in Pattaya. We would visit her friends who were other bar managers and employees daily to eat and socialize before work. The men that the women lived with also worked in bars, mostly gay bars and I would watch them all prepare for work. I got to know a lot of them and listened as they talked about work and income and normal stuff.

I don't live in Pattaya anymore but a number of times a month I take the latest GF to eat and do the town which involves a trip to a couple of Female go go's and because I am a liberal person a couple of male go go's. What's good for the goose is good for the gander you know.

Do I know more about straight men who work in go go's than the average gay guy on Thai Visa?

The question I have for you is, how would a gay guy know about straight men who work in gay bars? Do straight men who work in gay bars talk to gay men about their female lovers/wives with any degree of honesty?

I think it is an interesting poll but I wonder at the placement in the gay forum because I don't see how gay guys would have the knowledge to answer.

Do female prostitutes discuss there private lives including about their husbands and kids with their Johns ? Dont think so.

[mark45y]

They talk about kids all the time. They will show you pictures if you ask. Husbands? Sure, “husband drunk, beat me and leave.”

But I wasn't talking about customers. I was talking about women who I know socially who live with males who work in bars and/or go go's.

Thai women bring the bf or husband to social events, shopping, dining and so on.

I doubt if Thai men (bar boys or dancers) when with gay men bring the wife/gf out dining or shopping or socializing.

Maybe I am wrong. You tell me.

Edited February 10, 2011 by mark45y

[SweatiePie]

I can tell you how I know about it. I'll give you a few examples.

When I lived in Chiang Mai I took straight women to a particular gay go go ........

The other experiences were acquired when I dated a Thai lady bar manager in Pattaya... The men that the women lived with also worked in bars, mostly gay bars and I would watch them all prepare for work. ....

That wasn't quite the sort of "interaction" that I had in mind!

Do I know more about straight men who work in go go's than the average gay guy on Thai Visa?

The question I have for you is, how would a gay guy know about straight men who work in gay bars? Do straight men who work in gay bars talk to gay men about their female lovers/wives with any degree of honesty?

I think it is an interesting poll but I wonder at the placement in the gay forum because I don't see how gay guys would have the knowledge to answer.

If the posts in this thread are any indication then I would guess that, with a few exceptions, what you "know about straight men who work in gay bars" is probably on a par with what "the average gay guy on Thai Visa" knows!

As I have said previously, its difficult to generalise with any accuracy about either what gay customers know about their gay/straight hosts or whether some gay/straight hosts talk about their male/female lover/partners; some do but most, gay or straight, don't. They have no reason to, and considerable reason not to.

Edited February 10, 2011 by SweatiePie

[mark45y]

I can tell you how I know about it. I'll give you a few examples.

When I lived in Chiang Mai I took straight women to a particular gay go go ........

The other experiences were acquired when I dated a Thai lady bar manager in Pattaya... The men that the women lived with also worked in bars, mostly gay bars and I would watch them all prepare for work. ....

That wasn't quite the sort of "interaction" that I had in mind!

Do I know more about straight men who work in go go's than the average gay guy on Thai Visa?

The question I have for you is, how would a gay guy know about straight men who work in gay bars? Do straight men who work in gay bars talk to gay men about their female lovers/wives with any degree of honesty?

I think it is an interesting poll but I wonder at the placement in the gay forum because I don't see how gay guys would have the knowledge to answer.

If the posts in this thread are any indication then I would guess that, with a few exceptions, what you "know about straight men who work in gay bars" is probably on a par with what "the average gay guy on Thai Visa" knows!

As I have said previously, its difficult to generalise with any accuracy about either what gay customers know about their gay/straight hosts or whether some gay/straight hosts talk about their male/female lover/partners; some do but most, gay or straight, don't. They have no reason to, and considerable reason not to.

Do guys who pretend to be gay at a gay club but are really heterosexual ever take their wife or GF to a gay club?